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Agent Zero
08-21-2018, 03:36 PM
Of tax fraud...more coming

Agent Zero
08-21-2018, 03:36 PM
Counts 1-5, jury deadlocked on eight counts; more coming.

Safety
08-21-2018, 04:15 PM
Looks like his defense team should have called at least one witness...something.

Agent Zero
08-21-2018, 04:16 PM
Looks like his defense team should have called at least one witness...something.

Who? Manafort?

Trump?

Putin?

Dr. Who
08-21-2018, 04:18 PM
Of tax fraud...more coming

Michael Cohen just plead guilty to campaign finance violations including payoffs to women, bank fraud and tax fraud!

Agent Zero
08-21-2018, 04:21 PM
Michael Cohen just plead guilty to campaign finance violations including payoffs to women, bank fraud and tax fraud!


I believe you spelled Stormy and McDougall wrong.

Agent Zero
08-21-2018, 04:21 PM
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Agent Zero
08-21-2018, 04:23 PM
This is the tip of the iceberg.

We learned today the upcoming week will be full of bad news for Trump, with announcements, charges (possibly Jr), and Republicans jumping ship en masse.

jimmyz
08-21-2018, 04:27 PM
Trump supporter's know sluts were paid hush money. It seems Trump didn't get his money's worth. I have some extra money thanks to Trump's Tax Reform bill and the fact that my business is booming if he needs a loan.

Agent Zero
08-21-2018, 04:29 PM
Trump supporter's know sluts were paid hush money. It seems Trump didn't get his money's worth. I have some extra money thanks to Trump's Tax Reform bill and the fact that my business is booming if he needs a loan.

lol...you'd be better off sending him a saw in a cake. His supporters are jumping ship.









COHEN SAYS HE VIOLATED CAMPAIGN LAW AT DIRECTION OF 'CANDIDATE'... (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/21/trumps-ex-lawyer-michael-cohen-strikes-plea-deal-nbc-news.html)
MANAFORT 'EVALUATING ALL OPTIONS'... (https://twitter.com/Philip_Elliott/status/1032013200974381057)


https://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Donald+Trump+President+Trump+Departs+White+N5Xrt90 o-zOl.jpg
**TRUMP HELL HOUR** (https://www.bloomberg.com/live/us)
MANAFORT: GUILTY (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/manafort-convicted-8-counts-n901231)
COHEN: I'M GUILTY (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michael-cohen-plea-deal-details-today-2018-08-21/)https://www.drudgereport.com/i/logo9.gif (http://www.drudgereport.com/)

Agent Zero
08-21-2018, 04:31 PM
Trump supporter's know sluts were paid hush money. It seems Trump didn't get his money's worth. I have some extra money thanks to Trump's Tax Reform bill and the fact that my business is booming if he needs a loan.
You have such a high regard for women.
jimmyz

What you don't understand is that what's important is that he admitted to violating campaign finance laws and implicated Trump.

jimmyz
08-21-2018, 04:40 PM
You have such a high regard for women.

More than Bill and Hillary Clinton do.

What you don't understand is that what's important is that he admitted to violating campaign finance laws and implicated Trump.

I understand it fully. Trump or his campaign chiefs told the lawyers to "take care of it". They used campaign funds or Trump's personal money, we don't know which yet, to pay whores and their lawyers to go away. I wish he told the sluts to pound sand frankly.

Dr. Who
08-21-2018, 04:48 PM
Cohen made a plea deal to avoid several lifetimes in jail. Still, he faces up to 65 years in jail. He plead guilty to five counts of tax evasion between 2012 and 2016, providing a false statement to a financial institution between February 2015 and April 2016, a willful cause on an unlawful corporate contribution between June 2016 and October 2016 and another excessive campaign contribution on 27 October 2016.

Agent Zero
08-21-2018, 04:56 PM
More than Bill and Hillary Clinton do.


Really? Bill's blow jobs are worse than Trump having one affair with a adult film star and another year long affair with a Playboy model while his wife was home nursing their child? You have a strange concept of honor, jimmyz.

btw...they may or may be sluts but Trump fucked those sluts. Just remember that.


I understand it fully. Trump or his campaign chiefs told the lawyers to "take care of it". They used campaign funds or Trump's personal money, we don't know which yet, to pay whores and their lawyers to go away. I wish he told the sluts to pound sand frankly.

Apparently, you don't.

Cohen admitted today that Trump told him to pay the hush money out of campaign funds. Oops.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/21/michael-cohen-strikes-plea-deal-with-prosecutors-790646

Cohen said he paid hush money at candidate Trump’s directionThe statement came as part of a plea deal that Cohen struck Tuesday afternoon with federal prosecutors in New York.

By JOSH GERSTEIN (https://www.politico.com/staff/josh-gerstein) and JOSH MEYER (https://www.politico.com/staff/josh-meyer)
08/21/2018 02:50 PM EDT
Updated 08/21/2018 05:25 PM EDT


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Updated, 5:25 p.m.: Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump's former personal lawyer, stated Tuesday that Trump directed him to pay women to stay silent about damaging stories during the 2016 presidential campaign.
The statement came as part of a plea deal that Cohen struck Tuesday afternoon with federal prosecutors in New York.

"I participated in the conduct for the purposes of influencing the election," Cohen said in court.

Beevee
08-21-2018, 04:58 PM
Trump supporter's know $#@!s were paid hush money. It seems Trump didn't get his money's worth. I have some extra money thanks to Trump's Tax Reform bill and the fact that my business is booming if he needs a loan.

Lol. Jimmy Kimmel needs your input.

jimmyz
08-21-2018, 04:59 PM
Really? Bill's blow jobs are worse than Trump having one affair with a adult film star and another year long affair with a Playboy model while his wife was home nursing their child? You have a strange concept of honor, @jimmyz (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1173).

btw...they may or may be sluts but Trump fucked those sluts. Just remember that.


Apparently, you don't.

Cohen admitted today that Trump told him to pay the hush money out of campaign funds. Oops.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/21/michael-cohen-strikes-plea-deal-with-prosecutors-790646

Cohen said he paid hush money at candidate Trump’s direction

The statement came as part of a plea deal that Cohen struck Tuesday afternoon with federal prosecutors in New York.

By JOSH GERSTEIN (https://www.politico.com/staff/josh-gerstein) and JOSH MEYER (https://www.politico.com/staff/josh-meyer)
08/21/2018 02:50 PM EDT
Updated 08/21/2018 05:25 PM EDT


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Updated, 5:25 p.m.: Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump's former personal lawyer, stated Tuesday that Trump directed him to pay women to stay silent about damaging stories during the 2016 presidential campaign.
The statement came as part of a plea deal that Cohen struck Tuesday afternoon with federal prosecutors in New York.

"I participated in the conduct for the purposes of influencing the election," Cohen said in court.



I guess Mr. Pence get his Bible and right hand ready for some oath taking then.

Beevee
08-21-2018, 05:03 PM
Is it true FOX have reported that the sewer beneath their building is blocked?

jimmyz
08-21-2018, 05:08 PM
"Cohen submitted false invoices for services (lol) rendered to the candidate's company"

I take that to mean Trump Inc. money paid the hookers not my campaign donations. But using lawyers and "false invoices" is a dirty trick.

hanger4
08-21-2018, 05:14 PM
Cohen made a plea deal to avoid several lifetimes in jail. Still, he faces up to 65 years in jail. He plead guilty to five counts of tax evasion between 2012 and 2016, providing a false statement to a financial institution between February 2015 and April 2016, a willful cause on an unlawful corporate contribution between June 2016 and October 2016 and another excessive campaign contribution on 27 October 2016.*Still, he faces up to 65 years in jail.*Not really, think about it, wouldn't be much of a plea deal would it. ....................... "In a deal reached with federal prosecutors, Cohen, 51, pleaded guilty to eight counts in all, including tax evasion and making a false statement to a financial institution. He could get about four to five years in prison at sentencing Dec. 12." .................... http://m.startribune.com/judge-puts-michael-cohen-case-firmly-in-prosecutors-hands/491368301/

exotix
08-21-2018, 05:16 PM
"Cohen submitted false invoices for services (lol) rendered to the candidate's company"

I take that to mean Trump Inc. money paid the hookers not my campaign donations. But using lawyers and "false invoices" is a dirty trick.http://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1534889803/100_2413_mhw1rl.jpg

MisterVeritis
08-21-2018, 05:17 PM
This is the tip of the iceberg.

We learned today the upcoming week will be full of bad news for Trump, with announcements, charges (possibly Jr), and Republicans jumping ship en masse.
Don't be goofy. Manafort's trial was about putting pressure on Manafort to make things up. It hasn't worked. Beyond the usual Republican suspects who do you see "jumping ship"?

Crepitus
08-21-2018, 05:18 PM
Michael Cohen just plead guilty to campaign finance violations including payoffs to women, bank fraud and tax fraud!

"At the direction of a candidate for federal office"

hanger4
08-21-2018, 05:26 PM
Really? Bill's blow jobs are worse than Trump having one affair with a adult film star and another year long affair with a Playboy model while his wife was home nursing their child? You have a strange concept of honor, jimmyz.btw...they may or may be sluts but Trump fucked those sluts. Just remember that.Neither of which are impeachable offenses.

Crepitus
08-21-2018, 05:26 PM
Don't be goofy. Manafort's trial was about putting pressure on Manafort to make things up. It hasn't worked. Beyond the usual Republican suspects who do you see "jumping ship"?

24162

hanger4
08-21-2018, 05:28 PM
"At the direction of a candidate for federal office"Let's hope he has tapes cause just his say so won't make it so.

jimmyz
08-21-2018, 05:30 PM
Yes, Trump paid the whores off with his money, not campaign money, and had the hookers sign NDAs. A perfectly legal practice. You Lefties need to gain back control of your emotions and stop playing Catch an MSM Headline Line Drive in the Face Game.

Crepitus
08-21-2018, 05:31 PM
Let's hope he has tapes cause just his say so won't make it so.

One is already in the wild. tRump and Cohen discussing paying $150,000 for the Playboy bunny's silence.

Beevee
08-21-2018, 05:31 PM
Let's hope he has tapes cause just his say so won't make it so.

Do you really think that a charge such as that would have been laid if the prosecution didnt have other evidence to back it up?

Captdon
08-21-2018, 05:32 PM
lol...you'd be better off sending him a saw in a cake. His supporters are jumping ship.









COHEN SAYS HE VIOLATED CAMPAIGN LAW AT DIRECTION OF 'CANDIDATE'... (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/21/trumps-ex-lawyer-michael-cohen-strikes-plea-deal-nbc-news.html)
MANAFORT 'EVALUATING ALL OPTIONS'... (https://twitter.com/Philip_Elliott/status/1032013200974381057)


https://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Donald+Trump+President+Trump+Departs+White+N5Xrt90 o-zOl.jpg
**TRUMP HELL HOUR** (https://www.bloomberg.com/live/us)
MANAFORT: GUILTY (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/manafort-convicted-8-counts-n901231)
COHEN: I'M GUILTY (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michael-cohen-plea-deal-details-today-2018-08-21/)https://www.drudgereport.com/i/logo9.gif (http://www.drudgereport.com/)


No one is jumping ship. That's been a dream of yours since the election and it is never going to come true.

Captdon
08-21-2018, 05:35 PM
You have such a high regard for women.
@jimmyz (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1173)

What you don't understand is that what's important is that he admitted to violating campaign finance laws and implicated Trump.


Obama did it and it didn't hurt his Presidency or get any whining by his supporters.

hanger4
08-21-2018, 05:35 PM
One is already in the wild. tRump and Cohen discussing paying $150,000 for the Playboy bunny's silence.It'll take more than what was heard on that one.

Captdon
08-21-2018, 05:37 PM
Cohen made a plea deal to avoid several lifetimes in jail. Still, he faces up to 65 years in jail. He plead guilty to five counts of tax evasion between 2012 and 2016, providing a false statement to a financial institution between February 2015 and April 2016, a willful cause on an unlawful corporate contribution between June 2016 and October 2016 and another excessive campaign contribution on 27 October 2016.

Cohen made a deal that gets him 3-5 years in prison.

Captdon
08-21-2018, 05:38 PM
I guess Mr. Pence get his Bible and right hand ready for some oath taking then.

That's goofy.

MisterVeritis
08-21-2018, 05:40 PM
24162
Your goofy post was unresponsive.

hanger4
08-21-2018, 05:40 PM
Do you really think that a charge such as that would have been laid if the prosecution didnt have other evidence to back it up?That particular charge is meaningless compared to the other charges he pled guilty to. So yes it's quite possible that nothing but Cohen's word.

Captdon
08-21-2018, 05:42 PM
Zero:

Really? Bill's blow jobs are worse than Trump having one affair with a adult film star and another year long affair with a Playboy model while his wife was home nursing their child? You have a strange concept of honor, @jimmyz (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1173).:




Honor? What is your definition of honor that allows you to justify Bill Clinton?

Captdon
08-21-2018, 05:45 PM
One is already in the wild. tRump and Cohen discussing paying $150,000 for the Playboy bunny's silence.

That isn't a crime. You lose as always.

Beevee
08-21-2018, 05:45 PM
That particular charge is meaningless compared to the other charges he pled guilty to. So yes it's quite possible that nothing but Cohen's word.

If it's meaningless, why bother to bring it?
And is it obligatory in the US to bring charges on every known count or can some be left on file as a backup?

Dr. Who
08-21-2018, 05:45 PM
*Still, he faces up to 65 years in jail.*Not really, think about it, wouldn't be much of a plea deal would it. ....................... "In a deal reached with federal prosecutors, Cohen, 51, pleaded guilty to eight counts in all, including tax evasion and making a false statement to a financial institution. He could get about four to five years in prison at sentencing Dec. 12." .................... http://m.startribune.com/judge-puts-michael-cohen-case-firmly-in-prosecutors-hands/491368301/
That is likely based on the prosecution's recommendations, which probably means that he's already given the prosecution a ton of ammunition against you know who.

Captdon
08-21-2018, 05:49 PM
Do you really think that a charge such as that would have been laid if the prosecution didnt have other evidence to back it up?

Charge like what? Look at what he was charged with. The finance law violations were listed last and don't mean much. You don't get prison time for that. What evidence do you think you need when someone pleads guilty?

Still swinging and missing. You'll probably be doing it when he retires in 2025.

Peter1469
08-21-2018, 05:50 PM
Looks like his defense team should have called at least one witness...something.

They may not have had one that would help.

Captdon
08-21-2018, 05:51 PM
If it's meaningless, why bother to bring it?
And is it obligatory in the US to bring charges on every known count or can some be left on file as a backup?

A plea bargain is for all. It would be stupid otherwise.

Peter1469
08-21-2018, 05:51 PM
Michael Cohen just plead guilty to campaign finance violations including payoffs to women, bank fraud and tax fraud!

What is illegal about paying off the women? People settle lawsuits or potential lawsuits all the time.

Captdon
08-21-2018, 05:53 PM
That is likely based on the prosecution's recommendations, which probably means that he's already given the prosecution a ton of ammunition against you know who.

Why is it likely? Cohen gains nothing by taking a long sentence at his age. I would think his attorney made the offer as take it or we'll chance a trial.

Agent Zero
08-21-2018, 05:54 PM
What is illegal about paying off the women? People settle lawsuits or potential lawsuits all the time.

Once again...the hush money was paid with campaign funds.

Illegal.

Peter1469
08-21-2018, 05:55 PM
Once again...the hush money was paid with campaign funds.

Illegal.

Was it paid with campaign funds?

Dr. Who
08-21-2018, 05:57 PM
Cohen made a deal that gets him 3-5 years in prison.
In exchange for? It must have been pretty damning and irrefutable stuff. Donald may live to regret wanting to be President. He's going to spend the next several years in a state of anxiety because he won't be charged until he's out of office.

Beevee
08-21-2018, 05:58 PM
A plea bargain is for all. It would be stupid otherwise.

Point taken.

DGUtley
08-21-2018, 05:58 PM
Once again...the hush money was paid with campaign funds.
Illegal.

Isnt it being “deemed” by Mueller as a campaign donation?

donttread
08-21-2018, 06:16 PM
Michael Cohen just plead guilty to campaign finance violations including payoffs to women, bank fraud and tax fraud!


So is it legal for these women to accept such payoffs?

Dr. Who
08-21-2018, 06:18 PM
What is illegal about paying off the women? People settle lawsuits or potential lawsuits all the time.
I believe the problem is related to campaign finance issues. You're the lawyer.

Ransom
08-21-2018, 06:20 PM
Looks like his defense team should have called at least one witness...something.
He called Trump and told him to get the Pardon Pen ready.

Kleenex.

MisterVeritis
08-21-2018, 06:21 PM
In exchange for? It must have been pretty damning and irrefutable stuff. Donald may live to regret wanting to be President. He's going to spend the next several years in a state of anxiety because he won't be charged until he's out of office.
Trump will not be charged.

Major Lambda
08-21-2018, 06:23 PM
What is illegal about paying off the women? People settle lawsuits or potential lawsuits all the time.


Well, I listened to the shoddy ( hard to hear for me ) tape that Exotix posted ( ABC News ) and I did not hear anything definitive.

Does Cohen have to have evidence , or is he said / she said , good enough ?


Question is, is did President Trump commit a crime in the tape?



https://abcnews.go.com/US/video/secret-recording-trump-cohen-released-56815490




Major Lambda

Dr. Who
08-21-2018, 06:29 PM
Why is it likely? Cohen gains nothing by taking a long sentence at his age. I would think his attorney made the offer as take it or we'll chance a trial.
The prosecution wouldn't be trading off life in prison for nothing... Cohen said he was going to choose his family i.e. he's not going to do hard time for Trump, so he gave the prosecution whatever they wanted. I said long before all of the stories about Cohen's tapes came up that a twisted lawyer keeps insurance against his twisted clients. You don't employ a crooked lawyer unless you want to get away with crooked things.

MisterVeritis
08-21-2018, 06:31 PM
The prosecution wouldn't be trading off life in prison for nothing... Cohen said he was going to choose his family i.e. he's not going to do hard time for Trump, so he gave the prosecution whatever they wanted. I said long before all of the stories about Cohen's tapes came up that a twisted lawyer keeps insurance against his twisted clients. You don't employ a crooked lawyer unless you want to get away with crooked things.
The Cohen crimes don't appear to have anything to do with Trump. It is a shame that Cohen turned out to be a criminal. Sometimes talented people are.

Dr. Who
08-21-2018, 06:32 PM
Trump will not be charged.
Not while he's in office. After that, all bets are off.

MisterVeritis
08-21-2018, 06:35 PM
Not while he's in office. After that, all bets are off.
LOL. Would you like to place a wager on it? In 2026 will Mr. Trump be charged with a crime? I say no.

Dr. Who
08-21-2018, 06:35 PM
So is it legal for these women to accept such payoffs?

Yes it is. What would be illegal is if they denied doing so if asked by say, the FBI.

Beevee
08-21-2018, 06:35 PM
I can't wait for Manafort to flip.
If only for the Trump reaction when instead of claiming Manafort is being persecuted, he conversely calls him a 'rat'.

Major Lambda
08-21-2018, 06:37 PM
What is illegal about paying off the women? People settle lawsuits or potential lawsuits all the time.


The tape. Your assessment.

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/100292-Trump-lawyer-Michael-Cohen-in-talks-with-Prosecutors-about-possible-Plea-Deal/page2




M-L

MisterVeritis
08-21-2018, 06:37 PM
I can't wait for Manafort to flip.
If only for the Trump reaction when instead of claiming Manafort is being persecuted, he conversely calls him a 'rat'.
What would Manafort "flip" over? Manafort was only charged to pressure him to make things up. He didn't. The Mueller goons got guilty sentences on 8 of 18 charges.

Crepitus
08-21-2018, 06:39 PM
It'll take more than what was heard on that one.

Oh yeah! I forgot you are the master of creatively parsing sentences!

Major Lambda
08-21-2018, 06:42 PM
Trump will not be charged.


For now, I don't believe that there is enough solid evidence to do so.




M-L

Dr. Who
08-21-2018, 06:42 PM
LOL. Would you like to place a wager on it? In 2026 will Mr. Trump be charged with a crime? I say no.
You're not exactly batting 1000 now. Trump is now the holy grail for the FBI. They know he's good for about 1000 years in prison and that's just based on what he's done in the last 20 years. I don't wager. I will just state that I believe that the minute that he's out of office he will have an infestation of FBI warrants and demands for document production assuming that the anxiety doesn't kill him before he's either impeached or runs out of options.

MisterVeritis
08-21-2018, 06:43 PM
For now, I don't believe that there is enough solid evidence to do so.
M-L
Nor will there be.

Next week there will be another story.

hanger4
08-21-2018, 06:45 PM
Oh yeah! I forgot you are the master of creatively parsing sentences!So you think that tape incriminates Trump ??

Major Lambda
08-21-2018, 06:46 PM
You're not exactly batting 1000 now. Trump is now the holy grail for the FBI. They know he's good for about 1000 years in prison and that's just based on what he's done in the last 20 years. I don't wager. I will just state that I believe that the minute that he's out of office he will have an infestation of FBI warrants and demands for document production assuming that the anxiety doesn't kill him before he's either impeached or runs out of options.


If Trump is the Holy Grail for the FBI, then what is Hillary Clinton?



M-L

MisterVeritis
08-21-2018, 06:46 PM
You're not exactly batting 1000 now. Trump is now the holy grail for the FBI. They know he's good for about 1000 years in prison and that's just based on what he's done in the last 20 years. I don't wager. I will just state that I believe that the minute that he's out of office he will have an infestation of FBI warrants and demands for document production assuming that the anxiety doesn't kill him before he's either impeached or runs out of options.
I believe I have a near perfect score.

President Trump will complete eight good years in office. The nation will be restored. The swamp will be drained.

The FBI is a corrupt organization. It, the Department of Justice, and the intelligence community pose the greatest threat to Americans and the nation I have ever seen. Fortunately, President Trump keeps moving forward with the great task of restoring the nation.

jimmyz
08-21-2018, 06:46 PM
Was it paid with campaign funds?

It is "false invoices submitted for services rendered to the candidate's company"

Agent zero and media outlets are twisting the convictions to fit their narrative.

Major Lambda
08-21-2018, 06:47 PM
So you think that tape incriminates Trump ??


Honestly, that's my question. Seems the Dems on here are excited about it.

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/100292-Trump-lawyer-Michael-Cohen-in-talks-with-Prosecutors-about-possible-Plea-Deal/page2




Major Lambda

Crepitus
08-21-2018, 06:47 PM
That isn't a crime. You lose as always.

That's the very crime Cohen just plead guilty you dingbat.

Peter1469
08-21-2018, 06:53 PM
I believe the problem is related to campaign finance issues. You're the lawyer.

Right, and the media is running with campaign finance laws with no understanding of those laws.

Peter1469
08-21-2018, 06:57 PM
Well, I listened to the shoddy ( hard to hear for me ) tape that Exotix posted ( ABC News ) and I did not hear anything definitive.

Does Cohen have to have evidence , or is he said / she said , good enough ?


Question is, is did President Trump commit a crime in the tape?



https://abcnews.go.com/US/video/secret-recording-trump-cohen-released-56815490




Major Lambda
There is nothing illegal about paying a settlement in cash.

Dr. Who
08-21-2018, 06:59 PM
The Cohen crimes don't appear to have anything to do with Trump. It is a shame that Cohen turned out to be a criminal. Sometimes talented people are.
How naive are you? What is there about Cohen's appellation as Trump's "fixer" that implies that he played by the book? Please. An honest person doesn't need a "fixer". Neither do they run scam universities, nor do they pilfer charity donations to make charitable donations. Blah blah blah. Trump's history is known. There is smoke everywhere and you don't want to admit the house is on fire.

Peter1469
08-21-2018, 07:00 PM
LOL. Would you like to place a wager on it? In 2026 will Mr. Trump be charged with a crime? I say no.
The statute of limitations would have run by then.

Dr. Who
08-21-2018, 07:01 PM
Right, and the media is running with campaign finance laws with no understanding of those laws.
The charges were proffered by the DOJ, not the media.

Dr. Who
08-21-2018, 07:03 PM
If Trump is the Holy Grail for the FBI, then what is Hillary Clinton?



M-L
Probably just as dirty, but smarter.

Peter1469
08-21-2018, 07:04 PM
The tape. Your assessment.

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/100292-Trump-lawyer-Michael-Cohen-in-talks-with-Prosecutors-about-possible-Plea-Deal/page2




M-L
Is this the tape about paying in cash? Paying in cash is not illegal. It might look suspicious to a prosecutor.

MisterVeritis
08-21-2018, 07:08 PM
How naive are you? What is there about Cohen's appellation as Trump's "fixer" that implies that he played by the book? Please. An honest person doesn't need a "fixer". Neither do they run scam universities, nor do they pilfer charity donations to make charitable donations. Blah blah blah. Trump's history is known. There is smoke everywhere and you don't want to admit the house is on fire.
A rich person may very well need a "fixer".

There is no fire.

jimmyz
08-21-2018, 07:12 PM
The charges were proffered by the DOJ, not the media.

"Deputy U.S. Attorney Robert Khuzami told reporters that in January 2017, Cohen had begun seeking reimbursement for the payments to both women by “submitting invoices to the candidate’s company” — believed to be the Trump Organization — that falsely indicated that Cohen had provided legal services in the year 2017."

Cohen submitted false invoices and that is what he plead guilty to.

"Trump Organization" funds NOT campaign funds. It is perfectly legal for Trump to pay a hush money settlement and get an NDA in the settlement with his personal company's funds

Dr. Who
08-21-2018, 07:16 PM
A rich person may very well need a "fixer".

There is no fire.
Nothing about the scam university or charity malfeasance. Honest rich people do need lawyers at times. How many of their lawyers are referred to as "fixers"? That's basically like a mafia term, like a "cleaner".

Dr. Who
08-21-2018, 07:18 PM
"Deputy U.S. Attorney Robert Khuzami told reporters that in January 2017, Cohen had begun seeking reimbursement for the payments to both women by “submitting invoices to the candidate’s company” — believed to be the Trump Organization — that falsely indicated that Cohen had provided legal services in the year 2017."

Cohen submitted false invoices and that is what he plead guilty to.

"Trump Organization" funds NOT campaign funds. It is perfectly legal for Trump to pay a hush money settlement and get an NDA in the settlement with his personal company's funds
I guess the DOJ disagreed.

MisterVeritis
08-21-2018, 07:19 PM
Nothing about the scam university or charity malfeasance. Honest rich people do need lawyers at times. How many of their lawyers are referred to as "fixers"? That's basically like a mafia term, like a "cleaner".
For someone who is highly successful a fixer can take care of small problems that crop up along the way. It is not a big deal.

MisterVeritis
08-21-2018, 07:19 PM
I guess the DOJ disagreed.
You err.

Agent Zero
08-21-2018, 07:28 PM
More than Bill and Hillary Clinton do.


I understand it fully. Trump or his campaign chiefs told the lawyers to "take care of it". They used campaign funds or Trump's personal money, we don't know which yet, to pay whores and their lawyers to go away. I wish he told the sluts to pound sand frankly.
jimmyz

Trump had affairs while married to his first wife and again had an affair with Melania while still married ..

DOESNT THAT CLASSIFY MELANIA AS (in your words) A SLUT???

Agent Zero
08-21-2018, 07:32 PM
"Deputy U.S. Attorney Robert Khuzami told reporters that in January 2017, Cohen had begun seeking reimbursement for the payments to both women by “submitting invoices to the candidate’s company” — believed to be the Trump Organization — that falsely indicated that Cohen had provided legal services in the year 2017."

Cohen submitted false invoices and that is what he plead guilty to.

"Trump Organization" funds NOT campaign funds. It is perfectly legal for Trump to pay a hush money settlement and get an NDA in the settlement with his personal company's funds


You err.
"I participated in the conduct for the purposes of influencing the election,"

Peter1469
08-21-2018, 07:34 PM
"I participated in the conduct for the purposes of influencing the election,"

Every candidate and their staffs try to influence elections- for their side.

Trump wanting to pay off a mistress so she doesn't make him look bad in the election, that is not illegal.

Dr. Who
08-21-2018, 07:35 PM
You err.
Really - I didn't bring the charges nor did the media. The DOJ did and Cohen plead guilty to them. Res ipsa loquitur.

MisterVeritis
08-21-2018, 07:38 PM
"I participated in the conduct for the purposes of influencing the election,"
Therefore what?

Everything we did in 2016 was for the purposes of influencing the election.

MisterVeritis
08-21-2018, 07:40 PM
Really - I didn't bring the charges nor did the media. The DOJ did and Cohen plead guilty to them. Res ipsa loquitur.
The DOJ did not make the goofy leap. You did. Cohen submitted a false invoice. Big deal. The Trump organization paid it. Big deal.

I look forward to next week's breathless story. And the week after...all the way to 2026.

Crepitus
08-21-2018, 07:52 PM
So you think that tape incriminates Trump ??

And I gather you don't.

Funny stuff.

Dr. Who
08-21-2018, 08:04 PM
The DOJ did not make the goofy leap. You did. Cohen submitted a false invoice. Big deal. The Trump organization paid it. Big deal.

I look forward to next week's breathless story. And the week after...all the way to 2026.
OK.
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MisterVeritis
08-21-2018, 08:08 PM
OK.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT6oSq7yUGXdSbA-UxXhFbx3anbBZnki4pIISKhp2roejJ0EHSN
I love the self portrait. Thanks. Now I know what you look like.

Dr. Who
08-21-2018, 08:42 PM
I love the self portrait. Thanks. Now I know what you look like.
Nope - I'm the owl that you see all the time. My head's not in the sand. I'm not the one supporting an avaricious real estate developer and pretending that the criminality of all of his bent minions with connections to Russia is mere coincidence. I'm not saying that any have had any intent to commit treason, just that they are so greedy and arrogant that they have not only left a trail of breadcrumbs but that they are all compromised by their Russian manipulators. Manafort is keeping his mouth shut because the Russian mafia will have easy access to him in prison. Cohen may throw Trump under the bus for domestic transgressions, but he won't directly link him to any Russian connected activities, if he wants to live. In the end, the FBI may or may not have enough to convict Trump on Russian "collusion", but they will dig up all of his financial crimes and like Al Capone, they will put him away on something like tax evasion.

MisterVeritis
08-21-2018, 08:46 PM
Nope - I'm the owl that you see all the time. My head's not in the sand. I'm not the one supporting an avaricious real estate developer and pretending that the criminality of all of his bent minions with connections to Russia is mere coincidence. I'm not saying that any have had any intent to commit treason, just that they are so greedy and arrogant that they have not only left a trail of breadcrumbs but that they are all compromised by their Russian manipulators. Manafort is keeping his mouth shut because the Russian mafia will have easy access to him in prison. Cohen may throw Trump under the bus for domestic transgressions, but he won't directly link him to any Russian connected activities, if he wants to live. In the end, the FBI may or may not have enough to convict Trump on Russian "collusion", but they will dig up all of his financial crimes and like Al Capone, they will put him away on something like tax evasion.
It is amazing what you believe despite the lack of evidence.

Cohen has nothing.

The FBI cannot convict President Trump of anything.

The only thing your post indicates is that you are a coup cheerleader.

hanger4
08-21-2018, 08:59 PM
And I gather you don't.Funny stuff.You heard the tape, you know there wasn't.

Dr. Who
08-21-2018, 09:11 PM
It is amazing what you believe despite the lack of evidence.

Cohen has nothing.

The FBI cannot convict President Trump of anything.

The only thing your post indicates is that you are a coup cheerleader.

There's the coup word again. They won't convict "the President", they will convict DJT the ex-President. You hitched your wagon to a fraudster. The only reason his party is nominally supporting him is because he is a populist President and they are scared of repercussions from their own electors if they don't. The minute that popular support is replaced with enough disgust among the rank and file voters, Trump will be impeached because the GOP never wanted him to begin with and Pence will take over. If it's in this term Pence has zero chance of re-election, but there will be a real horse race between the parties. Trials are coming up and more will be revealed. The GOP had better hope it doesn't take until 2025, because if it does, the scandal will destroy the credibility of the party. At that point it is certain that the Dems will have recovered from their spanking in 2016 and have a pristine and compelling candidate who will walk away with the election and have majorities in both houses.

exotix
08-21-2018, 09:13 PM
The DOJ did not make the goofy leap. You did. Cohen submitted a false invoice. Big deal. The Trump organization paid it. Big deal.

I look forward to next week's breathless story. And the week after...all the way to 2026.
It is amazing what you believe despite the lack of evidence.

Cohen has nothing.

The FBI cannot convict President Trump of anything.

The only thing your post indicates is that you are a coup cheerleader.

Trump colluded and conspired with Cohen in election fraud ... that was established today




Cohen acted "in coordination with a candidate or campaign for federal office for purposes of influencing the election."


https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/politics/article/Judge-puts-Michael-Cohen-case-firmly-in-13171333.php

MisterVeritis
08-21-2018, 09:50 PM
There's the coup word again. They won't convict "the President", they will convict DJT the ex-President. You hitched your wagon to a fraudster. The only reason his party is nominally supporting him is because he is a populist President and they are scared of repercussions from their own electors if they don't. The minute that popular support is replaced with enough disgust among the rank and file voters, Trump will be impeached because the GOP never wanted him to begin with and Pence will take over. If it's in this term Pence has zero chance of re-election, but there will be a real horse race between the parties. Trials are coming up and more will be revealed. The GOP had better hope it doesn't take until 2025, because if it does, the scandal will destroy the credibility of the party. At that point it is certain that the Dems will have recovered from their spanking in 2016 and have a pristine and compelling candidate who will walk away with the election and have majorities in both houses.
LOL. Nope.

A wise person will plan for two full Trump terms.

The scandal is the coup attempt. Your team.

MisterVeritis
08-21-2018, 09:51 PM
Trump colluded and conspired with Cohen in election fraud ... that was established today.
Cohen acted "in coordination with a candidate or campaign for federal office for purposes of influencing the election."


https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/politics/article/Judge-puts-Michael-Cohen-case-firmly-in-13171333.php
You err.

Next week you will be wrong about something else.

exotix
08-21-2018, 09:53 PM
You err.

Next week you will be wrong about something else.Manfort, Cohen and Gates will now spill the beans about Trumpfs' collusion's and conspiracies with Putin and Russia ... even if Trumpf fires Mueller, Rosenstein and even Sessions.

MisterVeritis
08-21-2018, 09:58 PM
Manfort, Cohen and Gates will now spill the beans about Trumpfs' collusion's and conspiracies with Putin and Russia ... even if Trumpf fires Mueller, Rosenstein and even Sessions.
There are no beans to be spilled. Next week we will have a new story.

Major Lambda
08-21-2018, 10:00 PM
There is nothing illegal about paying a settlement in cash.


Ok. I was worried about a conspiracy allegation.

Honestly, I did not think so either, but the Dems seem all tied up in this. Conspiracy is a charge or basis that leads to many other allegations or charges, so I was just worried that if the DOJ got a conspiracy charge, they would take more from there.

This is interesting. My curiosity is severely piqued.

Thanks for the info. Much thanks.




Major Lambda

Dr. Who
08-21-2018, 10:01 PM
Manfort, Cohen and Gates will now spill the beans about Trumpfs' collusion's and conspiracies with Putin and Russia ... even if Trumpf fires Mueller, Rosenstein and even Sessions.
I suspect that they won't because the Russian mob can easily find them in prison and the Russian mob is rather closely attached to the Kremlin. I don't think that Putin particularly wants proof of the fact that he is trying to manipulate Americans with political influence to be established beyond a shadow of a doubt. That would just increase his problems.

Peter1469
08-21-2018, 10:02 PM
Ok. I was worried about a conspiracy allegation.

Honestly, I did not think so either, but the Dems seem all tied up in this. Conspiracy is a charge or basis that leads to many other allegations or charges, so I was just worried that if the DOJ got a conspiracy charge, they would take more from there.

This is interesting. My curiosity is severely piqued.

Thanks for the info. Much thanks.




Major Lambda

I wonder if Cohen was stupid enough to use campaign cash to pay. That isn't legal.

In the tape, Trump just said use cash. Not campaign case.

Peter1469
08-21-2018, 10:03 PM
I suspect that they won't because the Russian mob can easily find them in prison and the Russian mob is rather closely attached to the Kremlin. I don't think that Putin particularly wants proof of the fact that he is trying to manipulate Americans with political influence to be established beyond a shadow of a doubt. That would just increase his problems.

Everyone already knows Russia has tried to influence US elections- for decades.

MisterVeritis
08-21-2018, 10:05 PM
I wonder if Cohen was stupid enough to use campaign cash to pay. That isn't legal.

In the tape, Trump just said use cash. Not campaign case.
I heard Trump say don't use cash.

MisterVeritis
08-21-2018, 10:07 PM
I suspect that they won't because the Russian mob can easily find them in prison and the Russian mob is rather closely attached to the Kremlin. I don't think that Putin particularly wants proof of the fact that he is trying to manipulate Americans with political influence to be established beyond a shadow of a doubt. That would just increase his problems.
Nothing the Russians could do could damage the nation as much as the Democratic Party, Obama administration, the corrupt intelligence community, DOJ, FBI and the enemedia.

The Left is a wrecking ball.

Peter1469
08-21-2018, 10:09 PM
I heard Trump say don't use cash.

It was not good quality audio.

Anyway the source of the money is what matters.

Dr. Who
08-21-2018, 10:14 PM
Everyone already knows Russia has tried to influence US elections- for decades.
General allegations are one thing, identifying high profile political insiders and politicians as compromised is another.

Major Lambda
08-21-2018, 10:14 PM
I wonder if Cohen was stupid enough to use campaign cash to pay. That isn't legal.

In the tape, Trump just said use cash. Not campaign case.


Well, like I said. Conspiracy is the basis and origin of many different crimes. Conspiracy is where it all starts. Where it is simple, then after conspiracy it gets complicated and very weighty. Any conspiracy charge can take an investigation and make it go a hundred different directions and along the way stack up other charges, witnesses and especially defendants. Prosecutors love it. The more charges, the still more prison sentence after a plea bargain.

Defendant still serves some serious time, plea bargain is signed and the prosecution avoids court. Win win for the prosecution. Lay the evidence out, defense counsel says " What are you offering?"

Defendant still pulls some serious prison time, is a felon upon release, and winds up still in the federal parole system. Win win for the prosecution.

That's why cases take so long, the more charges, the less work in the end on the prosecution. They don't have to argue the case.

Time takes turns. Next up is the Democrats. I am thinking that the Republicans have dirt on the opposition , and are waiting till next Presidential election to show their four of a kind and straight flush. Guillini , God bless his heart is a Democrat from New York. Good or bad, he wins. Guillini knows people and politics. Rudy might just be the blessing in disguise that the President, and the Conservatives need.

Time will tell.



Major Lambda

Crepitus
08-21-2018, 10:16 PM
You heard the tape, you know there wasn't.

You heard the tape, you know there was.

You just don't want to face it. It's ok, I understand.

Dr. Who
08-21-2018, 10:23 PM
Nothing the Russians could do could damage the nation as much as the Democratic Party, Obama administration, the corrupt intelligence community, DOJ, FBI and the enemedia.

The Left is a wrecking ball.
The left outnumbers the right and doesn't necessarily share your opinion. Also, Obama hasn't been in office for more than 18 months, so unless you think he was some kind of superhuman Svengali with the power to control people's minds indefinitely, perhaps you are directing your corruption charges at the wrong parties.

MisterVeritis
08-21-2018, 10:24 PM
It was not good quality audio.

Anyway the source of the money is what matters.
I don't know that it matters.

MisterVeritis
08-21-2018, 10:26 PM
The left outnumbers the right and doesn't necessarily share your opinion. Also, Obama hasn't been in office for more than 18 months, so unless you think he was some kind of superhuman Svengali with the power to control people's minds indefinitely, perhaps you are directing your corruption charges at the wrong parties.
Obama led the coup attempt. Obama corrupted the intelligence community, DOJ, and FBI. I do not believe they will recover.

If the left outnumbers the right we need a divorce.

Beevee
08-21-2018, 10:32 PM
Obama led the coup attempt. Obama corrupted the intelligence community, DOJ, and FBI. I do not believe they will recover.

If the left outnumbers the right we need a divorce.

Divorce is not your problem. However, the hole dug into the ground today, is.
You've had your day and now you have your legacy. Its your descendents who will have to live with that. And Obama had nothing to do with it.

MisterVeritis
08-21-2018, 10:37 PM
Divorce is not your problem. However, the hole dug into the ground today, is.
You've had your day and now you have your legacy. Its your descendents who will have to live with that. And Obama had nothing to do with it.

Don't be foolish. The Cohen and Manafort stories will be out of sight by Friday.

The illegal alien murder of a young, attractive white women will play through November.

Obama was a horrible, destructive president.

Beevee
08-21-2018, 10:44 PM
Don't be foolish. The Cohen and Manafort stories will be out of sight by Friday.

The illegal alien murder of a young, attractive white women will play through November.

Obama was a horrible, destructive president.

You may well be right.
But on Friday the news will be even worse for you. Because from today it's never going to get any better.

So live with it. Or don't. Deplorables are now an irrelevance.

Captdon
08-21-2018, 10:47 PM
Crazy dreams again. He's there and he's staying there.

Dr. Who
08-21-2018, 10:49 PM
Obama led the coup attempt. Obama corrupted the intelligence community, DOJ, and FBI. I do not believe they will recover.

If the left outnumbers the right we need a divorce.
You do understand how paranoid that sounds don't you? For someone who you deride as not being very smart, you certainly ascribe incredible powers of persuasion over highly educated and rational people. Perhaps it hasn't occurred to you that Trump has both the personality profile and legal history that would place him in the same category as many high profile corporate criminals.

Captdon
08-21-2018, 10:51 PM
I believe I have a near perfect score.

President Trump will complete eight good years in office. The nation will be restored. The swamp will be drained.

The FBI is a corrupt organization. It, the Department of Justice, and the intelligence community pose the greatest threat to Americans and the nation I have ever seen. Fortunately, President Trump keeps moving forward with the great task of restoring the nation.

The FBI needs cleaned out. They need to fire the top ten percent that are so solidly Democrats they were willing to let a crook off the hook.

MisterVeritis
08-21-2018, 10:54 PM
You may well be right.
But on Friday the news will be even worse for you. Because from today it's never going to get any better.

So live with it. Or don't. Deplorables are now an irrelevance.
Uh-huh.

These stories will fade. The hype will die down. Constitutionalist judges will be appointed. New, non-leftist officers will run our military. President Trump will continue to cut regulations and lead the nation toward increased prosperity. He will continue to push for the wall and huge reductions in illegals.

Every couple of weeks you will get your hopes up. And four days later your hopes will be dashed.

Captdon
08-21-2018, 10:55 PM
Nope - I'm the owl that you see all the time. My head's not in the sand. I'm not the one supporting an avaricious real estate developer and pretending that the criminality of all of his bent minions with connections to Russia is mere coincidence. I'm not saying that any have had any intent to commit treason, just that they are so greedy and arrogant that they have not only left a trail of breadcrumbs but that they are all compromised by their Russian manipulators. Manafort is keeping his mouth shut because the Russian mafia will have easy access to him in prison. Cohen may throw Trump under the bus for domestic transgressions, but he won't directly link him to any Russian connected activities, if he wants to live. In the end, the FBI may or may not have enough to convict Trump on Russian "collusion", but they will dig up all of his financial crimes and like Al Capone, they will put him away on something like tax evasion.

Wow. This is the goofiest one yet. You had to have had help coming up with this drivel. The FBI is going to be lucky if the leaders of it don't go to prison. After Sessions is gone, Hillary is going to prison.

Captdon
08-21-2018, 10:58 PM
General allegations are one thing, identifying high profile political insiders and politicians as compromised is another.

None have been or will be. The Russian Investigation is a hoax. You liberals will fall for anything.

jimmyz
08-21-2018, 10:58 PM
You may well be right.
But on Friday the news will be even worse for you. Because from today it's never going to get any better.

So live with it. Or don't. Deplorables are now an irrelevance.

You can't wish us away. You would be deluding yourself to think you could. Today you grabbed onto soundbites uttered by people who don't know the Law, people like you, and repeated by news outlets and talking heads that know even less about the law.

MisterVeritis
08-21-2018, 10:59 PM
You do understand how paranoid that sounds don't you? For someone who you deride as not being very smart, you certainly ascribe incredible powers of persuasion over highly educated and rational people. Perhaps it hasn't occurred to you that Trump has both the personality profile and legal history that would place him in the same category as many high profile corporate criminals.
Obama had eight years to corrupt most federal agencies. I have not said Obama is not smart. He is un-American. He is the worst president we have had since Roosevelt.

I understand you don't like President Trump. He is an exceptionally high achiever. He runs rings around most of us. I think his eight years will be exceptional years.

Dr. Who
08-21-2018, 11:01 PM
The FBI needs cleaned out. They need to fire the top ten percent that are so solidly Democrats they were willing to let a crook off the hook.
Do you really think that all police professionals operate on the basis of partisan politics? Furthermore, given the nature of police work, do you really think that the majority lean left? Do you think that they would manufacture evidence?

Captdon
08-21-2018, 11:01 PM
Divorce is not your problem. However, the hole dug into the ground today, is.
You've had your day and now you have your legacy. Its your descendents who will have to live with that. And Obama had nothing to do with it.

You're ridiculous. You don't even know how our government works.

Lummy
08-21-2018, 11:05 PM
Divorce is not your problem. However, the hole dug into the ground today, is.
You've had your day and now you have your legacy. Its your descendents who will have to live with that. And Obama had nothing to do with it.

What are you talking about? You don't know. You're blowing wind.

Captdon
08-21-2018, 11:07 PM
You do understand how paranoid that sounds don't you? For someone who you deride as not being very smart, you certainly ascribe incredible powers of persuasion over highly educated and rational people. Perhaps it hasn't occurred to you that Trump has both the personality profile and legal history that would place him in the same category as many high profile corporate criminals.

All this corruption is a legacy of Obama. All of it. He set it in motion and he owns it. He had scandal after scandal and hit behind Executive Privilege. trump has turned over every document he has been asked for. he has had anyone who Congress and Mueller wanted to question testify completely. You boy was as corrupt as they get.

Beevee
08-21-2018, 11:09 PM
Uh-huh.

These stories will fade. The hype will die down. Constitutionalist judges will be appointed. New, non-leftist officers will run our military. President Trump will continue to cut regulations and lead the nation toward increased prosperity. He will continue to push for the wall and huge reductions in illegals.

Every couple of weeks you will get your hopes up. And four days later your hopes will be dashed.

Why would you think I support illegal immigration amongst your ramblings?

I am an immigrant. A legal one. I went through the required route to get my freebies from the Canadian government as well as retaining those from the British government.

I'm all for cutting regulations. Dog's shouldn't be led around but set free to crap wherever they choose, whenever they choose.
And as for insisting by law that if you own a car you must drive it on the right side of the road is an imposition on quality of life, or maybe death. And having to take a driving test and obtain a licence? Phew! Totally unnecessary and an infringement on freedom.
Why have a Constitution? It isn't worth squat these days anyway.

Captdon
08-21-2018, 11:09 PM
Do you really think that all police professionals operate on the basis of partisan politics? Furthermore, given the nature of police work, do you really think that the majority lean left? Do you think that they would manufacture evidence?

Obama didn't need all. He only needed the leaders and got them.

Don't make us laugh about manufacturing evidence.

Tahuyaman
08-21-2018, 11:10 PM
Of tax fraud...more coming
Ok. So what?

MisterVeritis
08-21-2018, 11:11 PM
Why would you think I support illegal immigration amongst your ramblings?

I am an immigrant. A legal one. I went through the required route to get my freebies from the Canadian government as well as retaining those from the British government.

I'm all for cutting regulations. Dog's shouldn't be led around but set free to crap wherever they choose, whenever they choose.
And as for insisting by law that if you own a car you must drive it on the right side of the road is an imposition on quality of life, or maybe death. And having to take a driving test and obtain a licence? Phew! Totally unnecessary and an infringement on freedom.
Why have a Constitution? It isn't worth squat these days anyway.
I love foreign trolls.

Lummy
08-21-2018, 11:12 PM
Why would you think I support illegal immigration amongst your ramblings?

I am an immigrant. A legal one. I went through the required route to get my freebies from the Canadian government as well as retaining those from the British government.

I'm all for cutting regulations. Dog's shouldn't be led around but set free to crap wherever they choose, whenever they choose.
And as for insisting by law that if you own a car you must drive it on the right side of the road is an imposition on quality of life, or maybe death. And having to take a driving test and obtain a licence? Phew! Totally unnecessary and an infringement on freedom.
Why have a Constitution? It isn't worth squat these days anyway.


Gibberish.

Captdon
08-21-2018, 11:12 PM
Why would you think I support illegal immigration amongst your ramblings?

I am an immigrant. A legal one. I went through the required route to get my freebies from the Canadian government as well as retaining those from the British government.

I'm all for cutting regulations. Dog's shouldn't be led around but set free to crap wherever they choose, whenever they choose.
And as for insisting by law that if you own a car you must drive it on the right side of the road is an imposition on quality of life, or maybe death. And having to take a driving test and obtain a licence? Phew! Totally unnecessary and an infringement on freedom.
Why have a Constitution? It isn't worth squat these days anyway.

You bow to an old lady in London. That's enough to keep me from taking your country seriously. Canada is sort of a frozen shithole.

Lummy
08-21-2018, 11:15 PM
I am an immigrant. A legal one. I went through the required route to get my freebies from the Canadian government as well as retaining those from the British government.
What nationality are you?

Dr. Who
08-21-2018, 11:15 PM
Obama had eight years to corrupt most federal agencies. I have not said Obama is not smart. He is un-American. He is the worst president we have had since Roosevelt.

I understand you don't like President Trump. He is an exceptionally high achiever. He runs rings around most of us. I think his eight years will be exceptional years.
That's not true. FBI employees, like any other agency transcend political shifts in power. Other than a few individuals at the top that are put in place by the party in power, the rest just do their jobs. Should we suggest that the FBI was infested with Bush Republicans after Obama took power. What about people who have been there for over 20 years? Mueller is a confirmed Republican originally appointed by Bush. He was a Marine who served in Vietnam, was wounded in action and highly decorated:


For his service in and during the Vietnam War, his military decorations and awards include: the Bronze Star Medal with Combat "V", Purple Heart Medal, two Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medals with Combat "V", Combat Action Ribbon, National Defense Service Medal, Vietnam Service Medal with three service stars, Republic of Vietnam Gallantry Cross, Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal, and Parachutist Badge.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mueller As opposed to Trump who did everything possible to avoid service.

Do you think that Mueller succumbed to the Svengali mind control of Obama?

Dr. Who
08-21-2018, 11:22 PM
What nationality are you?

Clearly, he's either a Canadian citizen or a permanent resident of Canada by way of Great Britain.

Tahuyaman
08-21-2018, 11:23 PM
What does the Manafort situation have been to do with Trump?

MisterVeritis
08-21-2018, 11:27 PM
That's not true. FBI employees, like any other agency transcend political shifts in power. Other than a few individuals at the top that are put in place by the party in power, the rest just do their jobs. Should we suggest that the FBI was infested with Bush Republicans after Obama took power. What about people who have been there for over 20 years? Mueller is a confirmed Republican originally appointed by Bush. He was a Marine who served in Vietnam, was wounded in action and highly decorated:

As opposed to Trump who did everything possible to avoid service.

Do you think that Mueller succumbed to the Svengali mind control of Obama?
The Democratic party is the party of massive, centralized government. The top tier of the FBI are politicians. It is the same in every large organization. Obama poisoned the executive branch and the judicial branch.

Rosenstein, Mueller, and Comey are republicans in name only. They are politicians and deep state swamp dwellers.

Mr. Trump performed a far more valuable service to the nation than did any swamp dweller. He created a multi-billion dollar company.

Dr. Who
08-21-2018, 11:28 PM
obama didn't need all. He only needed the leaders and got them.

Don't make us laugh about manufacturing evidence.

ods.

MisterVeritis
08-21-2018, 11:30 PM
ods.
Are you claiming Obama did not put like-minded leaders in every executive branch agency?

Beevee
08-21-2018, 11:32 PM
What does the Manafort situation have been to do with Trump?

Trump doesn't know either. That's why he employed him. He's one of the best people. Still.
Trump said so today. Unless he was lying. Or perhaps he wasn't. Probably depends on what he had for lunch.

Lummy
08-21-2018, 11:35 PM
Clearly, he's either a Canadian citizen or a permanent resident of Canada by way of Great Britain.
Just wondered which ass would be first to fart. I'll try again.

What ethnicity are you, beevee?

Dr. Who
08-21-2018, 11:51 PM
The Democratic party is the party of massive, centralized government. The top tier of the FBI are politicians. It is the same in every large organization. Obama poisoned the executive branch and the judicial branch.

Rosenstein, Mueller, and Comey are republicans in name only. They are politicians and deep state swamp dwellers.

Mr. Trump performed a far more valuable service to the nation than did any swamp dweller. He created a multi-billion dollar company.
OMG - anyone who has a great deal of money is automatically credible. I once facetiously offered that John Gotti Jr. could run for President and if he told the same lies as Trump told, he would be elected. Suddenly this isn't so facetious. What if Trump is merely a millionaire, not a billionaire? There is a great deal of question as to his actual wealth and he is a proven compulsive liar. He has lost billions of dollars of other people's money because he always thinks he's the smartest guy in the room, including the experts he hires and doesn't listen to. That's why most "Trump" hotels are only renting his name and many have taken it off their hotels.

Nothing has changed since he's been in office. He's still an ill-informed narcissist who refuses to substitute the opinions of experts in their fields over his own and tweets his ignorance on a daily basis. He's a cartoon character.

MisterVeritis
08-21-2018, 11:54 PM
Trump colluded and conspired with Cohen in election fraud ... that was established today
Cohen acted "in coordination with a candidate or campaign for federal office for purposes of influencing the election."
https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/politics/article/Judge-puts-Michael-Cohen-case-firmly-in-13171333.php
Cohen has an idiot for a lawyer. Cohen pled guilty to something that is not a crime.

I cannot make this any more understandable for you.

MisterVeritis
08-21-2018, 11:56 PM
OMG - anyone who has a great deal of money is automatically credible. I once facetiously offered that John Gotti Jr. could run for President and if he told the same lies as Trump told, he would be elected. Suddenly this isn't so facetious. What if Trump is merely a millionaire, not a billionaire? There is a great deal of question as to his actual wealth and he is a proven compulsive liar. He has lost billions of dollars of other people's money because he always thinks he's the smartest guy in the room, including the experts he hires and doesn't listen to. That's why most "Trump" hotels are only renting his name and many have taken it off their hotels.

Nothing has changed since he's been in office. He's still an ill-informed narcissist who refuses to substitute the opinions of experts in their fields over his own and tweets his ignorance on a daily basis. He's a cartoon character.
"Nothing has changed since [Trump] has been in office."

I love your goofy sense of humor. Get some sleep. You have become stupid.

Dr. Who
08-21-2018, 11:57 PM
Are you claiming Obama did not put like-minded leaders in every executive branch agency?
No more than any other President and less than Trump did. Trump purged every Democrat in every agency and yet that doesn't seem to alleviate your paranoia.

Lummy
08-22-2018, 12:11 AM
No paranoia there, troll.

Beevee
08-22-2018, 12:14 AM
Gibberish.

As a deplorable you should be used to it. Learn something by not setting your alarm for early morning Trump tweets.

Lummy
08-22-2018, 12:15 AM
What ethnicity are you, beevee?
Mr beevee must be mulling over whether it's a racist question or not. :thinking:

Frankly, I'm kinda interested to know, myself.

Beevee
08-22-2018, 12:16 AM
You bow to an old lady in London. That's enough to keep me from taking your country seriously. Canada is sort of a frozen $#@!hole.

Lol. The old lady won't end her days in a jail cell though.

Beevee
08-22-2018, 12:16 AM
What nationality are you?

I am a proud non American.

Lummy
08-22-2018, 12:17 AM
As a deplorable you should be used to it. Learn something by not setting your alarm for early morning Trump tweets.
More gibberish. As a deplorable, I'm used to tons of gibberish from liberals, yes.

Lummy
08-22-2018, 12:20 AM
I am a proud non American.
Yes, I can see that. Your ethnicity, I would guess, is South Asian something or other.

Beevee
08-22-2018, 12:20 AM
Clearly, he's either a Canadian citizen or a permanent resident of Canada by way of Great Britain.

Almost right. I'm a dual national with allegiance to the Queen who hasn't yet been suspected of picking up a penny from the sidewalk, let alone using campaign funds to pay off another fornicating accomplice.

Beevee
08-22-2018, 12:24 AM
Yes, I can see that. Your ethnicity, I would guess, is South Asian something or other.

Wrong. I don't get grilled at the border so I must be white.

Lummy
08-22-2018, 12:29 AM
Wrong. I don't get grilled at the border so I must be white.

That remark is so ridiculous that you must be anglo Brit.

Beevee
08-22-2018, 12:47 AM
That remark is so ridiculous that you must be anglo Brit.

You evidently don't travel much between continents.

Peter1469
08-22-2018, 04:36 AM
General allegations are one thing, identifying high profile political insiders and politicians as compromised is another.
This has not be determined, and is very unlikely. Found a lot of tax and bank fraud though.

MisterVeritis
08-22-2018, 05:55 AM
No more than any other President and less than Trump did. Trump purged every Democrat in every agency and yet that doesn't seem to alleviate your paranoia.
Again you err.

MisterVeritis
08-22-2018, 05:58 AM
Almost right. I'm a dual national with allegiance to the Queen who hasn't yet been suspected of picking up a penny from the sidewalk, let alone using campaign funds to pay off another fornicating accomplice.
A subject.

Your royals are goofy. They live off the public.

Beevee
08-22-2018, 06:16 AM
A subject.

Your royals are goofy. They live off the public.

Live off it? Why not.
It's legitamite taxpayers money, duly allocated by a British government freely elected to do just that.
So the Royals don't need criminality to maintain their status.
Have you noticed how quiet Pence is? He can smell the roses. And when he assumes the position, rather sooner than later, do you think he will rely on your lot for his re-election.
Who is the goofy one here?

MMC
08-22-2018, 06:31 AM
lol...you'd be better off sending him a saw in a cake. His supporters are jumping ship.









COHEN SAYS HE VIOLATED CAMPAIGN LAW AT DIRECTION OF 'CANDIDATE'... (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/21/trumps-ex-lawyer-michael-cohen-strikes-plea-deal-nbc-news.html)
MANAFORT 'EVALUATING ALL OPTIONS'... (https://twitter.com/Philip_Elliott/status/1032013200974381057)


https://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Donald+Trump+President+Trump+Departs+White+N5Xrt90 o-zOl.jpg
**TRUMP HELL HOUR** (https://www.bloomberg.com/live/us)
MANAFORT: GUILTY (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/manafort-convicted-8-counts-n901231)
COHEN: I'M GUILTY (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michael-cohen-plea-deal-details-today-2018-08-21/)https://www.drudgereport.com/i/logo9.gif (http://www.drudgereport.com/)



Link that up.....lets see these Trump Supporters abandoning ship? Take your time and make sure they are Trump supporters. As the Leftness has a severe problem in identifying Trump supporters.

MMC
08-22-2018, 06:47 AM
Really? Bill's blow jobs are worse than Trump having one affair with a adult film star and another year long affair with a Playboy model while his wife was home nursing their child? You have a strange concept of honor, @jimmyz (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1173).

btw...they may or may be sluts but Trump fucked those sluts. Just remember that.


Apparently, you don't.

Cohen admitted today that Trump told him to pay the hush money out of campaign funds. Oops.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/21/michael-cohen-strikes-plea-deal-with-prosecutors-790646

Cohen said he paid hush money at candidate Trump’s direction

The statement came as part of a plea deal that Cohen struck Tuesday afternoon with federal prosecutors in New York.

By JOSH GERSTEIN (https://www.politico.com/staff/josh-gerstein) and JOSH MEYER (https://www.politico.com/staff/josh-meyer)
08/21/2018 02:50 PM EDT
Updated 08/21/2018 05:25 PM EDT


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Updated, 5:25 p.m.: Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump's former personal lawyer, stated Tuesday that Trump directed him to pay women to stay silent about damaging stories during the 2016 presidential campaign.
The statement came as part of a plea deal that Cohen struck Tuesday afternoon with federal prosecutors in New York.

"I participated in the conduct for the purposes of influencing the election," Cohen said in court.




Yes Bilbo taking advantage of WH aides is worse than Trump having an affair with someone long before he ran for the Presidency.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DlJF_e5UcAA2OCl.jpg

I assume that means one of three things is true

1. He doesn't want to cooperate
2. Doesn't have anything of value
3. The Feds already have what he's willing to offer

Story: https://cnn.it/2w3GfhY (https://t.co/JksTSToK1k)

MMC
08-22-2018, 06:52 AM
"Cohen submitted false invoices for services (lol) rendered to the candidate's company"

I take that to mean Trump Inc. money paid the hookers not my campaign donations. But using lawyers and "false invoices" is a dirty trick.

Yeah that is Trumps out and CNN who was all giddy over this news, knows it. Campaign Finance wont be good enough to take Trump down.

MMC
08-22-2018, 06:55 AM
Obama did it and it didn't hurt his Presidency or get any whining by his supporters.
Yep, and all the FCC did was jack the Peep with the largest fine in FCC history.

MMC
08-22-2018, 07:01 AM
I can't wait for Manafort to flip.
If only for the Trump reaction when instead of claiming Manafort is being persecuted, he conversely calls him a 'rat'.


Looks like you will be waiting a long long time. How disappointed will you be when none of that takes place?

MMC
08-22-2018, 07:08 AM
Honestly, that's my question. Seems the Dems on here are excited about it.

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/100292-Trump-lawyer-Michael-Cohen-in-talks-with-Prosecutors-about-possible-Plea-Deal/page2




Major Lambda

The Leftness is all giddy like. Now watch how they will act all smug like, thinking they got something finally to take Trump down. The Lame Stream was all excited. At first.....now for some of them reality is sinking in. Back to working on Russian Collusion, oh if not collusion then obstruction. Then back to collusion with more talk about Obstruction.

stjames1_53
08-22-2018, 07:11 AM
Live off it? Why not.
It's legitamite taxpayers money, duly allocated by a British government freely elected to do just that.
So the Royals don't need criminality to maintain their status.
Have you noticed how quiet Pence is? He can smell the roses. And when he assumes the position, rather sooner than later, do you think he will rely on your lot for his re-election.
Who is the goofy one here?

you really don't want Pence in office, trust me. He's a hardline Christian............and a real conservative.

MMC
08-22-2018, 07:54 AM
I wonder if Cohen was stupid enough to use campaign cash to pay. That isn't legal.

In the tape, Trump just said use cash. Not campaign case.

5. Campaign Finance Violations Might Implicate Trump, But Might Not

The big excitement in the Resistance over Cohen’s guilty plea is that Cohen says he made illegal campaign contributions by paying two women for non-disclosure agreements. These payments were later reimbursed by Trump. Reimbursements for illegal campaign contributions would be a problem for Trump since he didn’t report them on his Federal Election Commission reports.


There are a few things to consider. One is whether non-disclosure agreements even are campaign contributions, a not-insignificant hurdle to overcome. If that burden is met, the question would also be how to handle the violation, including by fine or trial — the latter being a not-insignificant difficulty when the candidate is now the president.


The most recent historical analog to this situation is the John Edwards case. The 2008 vice presidential nominee for the Democratic Party was charged with taking and conspiring to take illegal contributions in excess of what the law allowed, and lying about it by not including the contributions on forms filed with the Federal Election Commission. The contributions went to his mistress Rielle Hunter, with whom he had a daughter.


The government claimed the payments were campaign contributions since he was in the middle of a campaign and trying to conceal his affair. Edwards, however, said the hush money was to conceal the affair from his wife. That case resulted in zero convictions — one acquittal and a deadlock on five other counts. The Justice Department never tried the five counts again. The Trump situation is different, dealing with reimbursed payments for non-disclosure agreements. If they were considered campaign contributions, it would be covered here (https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates-and-committees/handling-loans-debts-and-advances/personal-loans-candidate/).


A few months ago, Cohen said the payments had nothing to do with the campaign, claiming (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/03/michael-cohen-offers-his-side-of-the-stormy-daniels-saga) “people are mistaking this for a thing about the campaign. What I did defensively for my personal client, and my friend, is what attorneys do for their high-profile clients. I would have done it in 2006. I would have done it in 2011. I truly care about him and the family — more than just as an employee and an attorney.”


Now he claims he made these payments in concert with Trump for the “principal purpose of influencing an election,” as his attorney Lanny Davis put it (https://twitter.com/LannyDavis/status/1032026098320789504). Perhaps he has evidence to support this claim, and can convince others that Trump wasn’t far more interested in the purposes of protecting his marriage, his reputation, his children, or his businesses — just the campaign.


Federal Election Commission experts disagree (https://therightscoop.com/mark-levin-cuts-through-the-propaganda-on-sleazeball-michael-cohens-guilty-pleas-and-trump-also-interview-with-former-fec-chair/) whether such reimbursed payments would meet the standard for a campaign law violation, for what it’s worth. And there are conflicting precedents in FEC law about whether contributions such as Cohen’s are part of a pattern that pre-date the campaign. This could mean that if Trump ever paid for a non-disclosure agreement prior to the campaign, it would help his case. But as McCarthy noted months ago, the non-disclosure agreements — and not any silliness about Russia or obstruction — were Trump’s real legal threat (https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/donald-trump-stormy-daniels-overreaction-magnifies-problem/).


There is also some disagreement about how an undisclosed non-disclosure agreement, even if held to be a campaign contribution, compares next to other campaign finance violations. The Obama campaign, for example, had to pay a $375,000 fine (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-campaign-to-pay-375000-fine-for-omitting-some-donors-names-in-2008/2013/01/04/78973402-56bb-11e2-8b9e-dd8773594efc_story.html?utm_term=.619cd7df9a0e) for concealing major donors’ contributions in the weeks before the 2008 election, among other reporting irregularities.....snip~


http://thefederalist.com/2018/08/22/6-takeaways-about-paul-manafort-and-michael-cohens-legal-woes/


The got nothing with the tape. But the resistance is all joy joy now. Other than a few that are figuring things out.

MMC
08-22-2018, 07:57 AM
There are no beans to be spilled. Next week we will have a new story.

Yeah it will be about their Blue Wave, again.

MMC
08-22-2018, 08:06 AM
You can't wish us away. You would be deluding yourself to think you could. Today you grabbed onto soundbites uttered by people who don't know the Law, people like you, and repeated by news outlets and talking heads that know even less about the law.


They are still hoping for Russian Collusion. Even after 2 years. Now they will be forced to hold onto that hope.



The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/manafort-jury-suggests-it-cannot-come-to-a-consensus-on-a-single-count/2018/08/21/a2478ac0-a559-11e8-a656-943eefab5daf_story.html?utm_term=.d682a0e6919d) called the Manafort conviction “a major if not complete victory for special counsel Robert S. Mueller III as he continues to investigate the president’s associates.” Voices claiming that the Manafort and Cohen legal problems vindicate Mueller should note that the Manafort conviction had literally nothing to do with Mueller’s charge of investigating collusion with Russia to steal an election, and not just because the charges predate Trump.


Mueller has been throwing the book at Manafort, presumably in hopes he’d spill the beans on Russia collusion. Facing decades in prison, he has not been able to provide Mueller anything supporting the claim. Cohen’s attorney Lanny Davis has talked a big game about help he can provide Mueller, but even Mueller didn’t seem to think the Cohen case was worth hanging on to. And he kept Manafort, so that’s saying something.



When federal prosecutors induced Cohen to plead out, the most they got from him was to claim that non-disclosure agreements he arranged with two women were actually campaign contributions. He didn’t cop to anything in the dossier that has undergirded the Russia investigation — not an alleged visit to Prague to arrange treasonous collusion, not any involvement with the hacking of Democratic emails.



As Byron York notes (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/paul-manafort-split-verdict-says-nothing-on-trump-russia-and-the-2016-election?platform=hootsuite), “The importance of the financial crimes case against Manafort was never the financial crimes themselves. It was the prosecutors’ hope that, by charging the hell out of the offenses alleged, by playing hardball with the defendant with a guns-drawn-at-dawn search-warrant raid, by jailing him over a debatable obstruction of justice charge that Manafort could be pressured into spilling what prosecutors apparently thought were a lot of beans about the Trump campaign and Russia in the 2016 election.”


He notes that as of this date, there is still no support for the theory from Manafort, national security adviser Michael Flynn, or deputy campaign manager and Manafort aide Rick Gates, all of whom have been investigated and charged with crimes, and that none of those crimes included a Trump-Russia conspiracy. “Could such a conspiracy exist, and Flynn and Gates be totally out of it?”


Still, Andrew McCarthy suggests the entire reason Mueller held onto the Manafort case was so he could squeeze him (https://twitter.com/AndrewCMcCarthy/status/1032105068022120448) on Trump-Russia collusion. That remains the optimistic vision for the Resistance.....snip~


http://thefederalist.com/2018/08/22/6-takeaways-about-paul-manafort-and-michael-cohens-legal-woes/

MMC
08-22-2018, 08:13 AM
No more than any other President and less than Trump did. Trump purged every Democrat in every agency and yet that doesn't seem to alleviate your paranoia.

Trump did not.....that is why the State Dept, Pentagon still has Demos in there Running things. Hell even Mattis is a Democrat.

MisterVeritis
08-22-2018, 09:09 AM
Live off it? Why not.
That is leftist philosophy in a nutshell.

MisterVeritis
08-22-2018, 09:11 AM
Live off it? Why not.
It's legitamite taxpayers money, duly allocated by a British government freely elected to do just that.
So the Royals don't need criminality to maintain their status.
Have you noticed how quiet Pence is? He can smell the roses. And when he assumes the position, rather sooner than later, do you think he will rely on your lot for his re-election.
Who is the goofy one here?
VP Pence will have to win the November 2024 election to become the president.

MisterVeritis
08-22-2018, 09:12 AM
Who is the goofy one here?
Your royals. And you, of course.

MisterVeritis
08-22-2018, 09:15 AM
Yeah that is Trumps out and CNN who was all giddy over this news, knows it. Campaign Finance wont be good enough to take Trump down.
It does not appear Cohen or Candidate Trump committed a crime. Cohen pled guilty to something that is not a crime. Lanny Davis did not act as Cohen's friend or attorney. Lanny Davis is what he has always been, a Clintonista.

MisterVeritis
08-22-2018, 09:20 AM
Trump did not.....that is why the State Dept, Pentagon still has Demos in there Running things. Hell even Mattis is a Democrat.
Dr. Who is a clueless individual. One can tell by the way she writes. She conceals her lack of knowledge with a cloud of big words. I have known others like her.

nathanbforrest45
08-22-2018, 09:23 AM
Dr. Who is a clueless individual. One can tell by the way she writes. She conceals her lack of knowledge with a cloud of big words. I have known others like her.

When they can't blind you with brilliance they try to baffle you with bullsh!t.

jet57
08-22-2018, 09:43 AM
Of tax fraud...more coming

2 counts of bank fraud as well. Each one carries 30 years.

If Trump pardons him, it's just an across the board admission of guilt.

The next trial is going to be about involvement with the campaign and Trump.

Should be good.

jet57
08-22-2018, 09:46 AM
Looks like his defense team should have called at least one witness...something.

They're counting on a pardon.

jet57
08-22-2018, 09:47 AM
Michael Cohen just plead guilty to campaign finance violations including payoffs to women, bank fraud and tax fraud!
And he said that a candidate for executive political office directed him to make the payments.

Tahuyaman
08-22-2018, 09:53 AM
... Trump purged every Democrat in every agency...

where did you get that crazy idea?

MisterVeritis
08-22-2018, 09:56 AM
2 counts of bank fraud as well. Each one carries 30 years.

If Trump pardons him, it's just an across the board admission of guilt.

The next trial is going to be about involvement with the campaign and Trump.

Should be good.
Manafort should get a slap on the wrist and return to his normal life.

MisterVeritis
08-22-2018, 09:57 AM
And he said that a candidate for executive political office directed him to make the payments.
Cohen had an idiot for a lawyer. Making payments is not a crime.

exotix
08-22-2018, 10:55 AM
Cohen had an idiot for a lawyer. Making payments is not a crime.Trumpf wouldn't have even been able to even write a check from his personal account ... it would still have been a campaign violation.

MisterVeritis
08-22-2018, 10:56 AM
Trumpf wouldn't have even been able to even write a check from his personal account ... it would still have been a campaign violation.
You err.

Adelaide
08-22-2018, 11:00 AM
Not surprising, and I don't really doubt that he's guilty.

exotix
08-22-2018, 11:06 AM
Just In

LOL


http://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1534953983/100_2421_reidip.jpg

Agent Zero
08-22-2018, 11:40 AM
Just In

LOL


http://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1534953983/100_2421_reidip.jpg

He sounds like a Mafia Don, not president. Given his extensive ties to both the Russian and NY Mafia, I'm not surprised.

Safety
08-22-2018, 12:00 PM
Manafort should get a slap on the wrist and return to his normal life.

LoL, so much for the “law and order” crowd. And to think, just a few short years ago, you were the front runner in calling for the imprisionment of someone without due process.

Stalin would have been proud, comrade.

Captdon
08-22-2018, 12:06 PM
In exchange for? It must have been pretty damning and irrefutable stuff. Donald may live to regret wanting to be President. He's going to spend the next several years in a state of anxiety because he won't be charged until he's out of office.

First it was he wouldn't last three months. Then it was six months months. Then it was a year. Now, it's after he leaves the WH. You people are a little off.

Captdon
08-22-2018, 12:10 PM
You're not exactly batting 1000 now. Trump is now the holy grail for the FBI. They know he's good for about 1000 years in prison and that's just based on what he's done in the last 20 years. I don't wager. I will just state that I believe that the minute that he's out of office he will have an infestation of FBI warrants and demands for document production assuming that the anxiety doesn't kill him before he's either impeached or runs out of options.

He has turned over every document that the FBI asked for. Give it up. A normal person would get tired of being foolish after a while.

exotix
08-22-2018, 12:10 PM
First it was he wouldn't kast three mints. Then it was six months months. Then it was a year. Now, it's after he leaves the WH. You people are a little off.Remember this ? ... LOL


Why Is Trump’s Lawyer Still Pretending That the Mueller Probe Is Almost Over?

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/trumps-lawyer-still-claims-mueller-probe-is-ending-soon.html

http://time.com/5048658/donald-trumps-lawyers-keep-saying-the-russia-investigation-will-end-soon-heres-why/


Donald Trump's Lawyers Keep Saying the Russia Investigation Will End Soon.


In mid November, Cobb said (http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/20/politics/mueller-interviews-white-house-officials/index.html) that he expected the White House’s interviews with Mueller’s team to be done “shortly after Thanksgiving.”


Not long afterward, he adjusted that end date to shortly after New Year’s in another interview (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-long-winter-white-house-aides-divided-over-scope-risks-of-russia-probe/2017/11/19/497557c0-cbba-11e7-b244-2d22ac912500_story.html?tid=pm_pop&utm_term=.188b896be5a5) and he’s reportedly offered staff in the West Wing reassurance that Mueller will finish soon and exonerate the president.






https://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/intelligencer/2017/09/18/18-cobb.w710.h473.jpg

Captdon
08-22-2018, 12:11 PM
That's the very crime Cohen just plead guilty you dingbat.

Dummy, he pleaded guilty to falsifying a record. Dingbat that, chump.

Safety
08-22-2018, 12:12 PM
He has turned over every document that the FBI asked for. Give it up. A normal person would get tired of being foolish after a while.

Then why aren’t you lying down from being so tired?

Captdon
08-22-2018, 12:12 PM
Nothing about the scam university or charity malfeasance. Honest rich people do need lawyers at times. How many of their lawyers are referred to as "fixers"? That's basically like a mafia term, like a "cleaner".

Desperation time for you.

Captdon
08-22-2018, 12:14 PM
I guess the DOJ disagreed.

Yea, to his fraud. Get the difference or are you having a brain freeze?

Captdon
08-22-2018, 12:15 PM
I suspect that they won't because the Russian mob can easily find them in prison and the Russian mob is rather closely attached to the Kremlin. I don't think that Putin particularly wants proof of the fact that he is trying to manipulate Americans with political influence to be established beyond a shadow of a doubt. That would just increase his problems.

Excuse in advance.

Captdon
08-22-2018, 12:19 PM
Lol. The old lady won't end her days in a jail cell though.

Trump won't either but that's not the point. Our head of state isn't a foreigner.

Captdon
08-22-2018, 12:22 PM
They're counting on a pardon.

Coming from a guy who can't tie his shoes without help.

Captdon
08-22-2018, 12:24 PM
And he said that a candidate for executive political office directed him to make the payments.

Paying off whores isn't a crime. His fake invoices were. That's on him.

Captdon
08-22-2018, 12:26 PM
Trumpf wouldn't have even been able to even write a check from his personal account ... it would still have been a campaign violation.

A violation of what? Take your time. He paid off two whores. That's all it was, That's legal.

MMC
08-22-2018, 12:29 PM
It does not appear Cohen or Candidate Trump committed a crime. Cohen pled guilty to something that is not a crime. Lanny Davis did not act as Cohen's friend or attorney. Lanny Davis is what he has always been, a Clintonista.



But as McCarthy noted months ago, the non-disclosure agreements — and not any silliness about Russia or obstruction — were Trump’s real legal threat (https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/donald-trump-stormy-daniels-overreaction-magnifies-problem/).....snip~


Then as Dershowitz points out Trump can give any amount of his own money to his own campaign. That they don't have anything with the campaign finance issue.

spunkloaf
08-22-2018, 12:34 PM
It does not appear Cohen or Candidate Trump committed a crime. Cohen pled guilty to something that is not a crime. Lanny Davis did not act as Cohen's friend or attorney. Lanny Davis is what he has always been, a Clintonista.
You can't "plead guilty" to something that is not a crime in a court of law.

Captdon
08-22-2018, 12:37 PM
You can't "plead guilty" to something that is not a crime in a court of law.

You can plead guilty if you committed a crime. You can't say someone else did it. Hard to grasp the fundamentals?

Still here I see.

MisterVeritis
08-22-2018, 12:37 PM
LoL, so much for the “law and order” crowd. And to think, just a few short years ago, you were the front runner in calling for the imprisionment of someone without due process.

Stalin would have been proud, comrade.
Who? Everyone should have due process. Comrade.

spunkloaf
08-22-2018, 12:38 PM
Yesterday was such an awesome day. We all thought that the Manafort thing was a Godsend, but then the Cohen plea happened! Oh, what a HAPPY day!

Evil people get what they deserve.

exotix
08-22-2018, 12:38 PM
A violation of what? Take your time. He paid off two $#@!s. That's all it was, That's legal.You can't pay hush money to anyone close to an election ... that's a campaign violation ... that is, the FEC has the discretion to make that determination ... which was easy to make in this regard ... paying bribes to Ho's to keep their mouths shut and entering into a conspiracy to do it ...

MisterVeritis
08-22-2018, 12:39 PM
2 counts of bank fraud as well. Each one carries 30 years.

If Trump pardons him, it's just an across the board admission of guilt.

The next trial is going to be about involvement with the campaign and Trump.

Should be good.
Manafort's guilt was established by the jury. The pardon will erase the convictions.

Captdon
08-22-2018, 12:39 PM
Then why aren’t you lying down from being so tired?

I don't get tired from your foolish posts.

MisterVeritis
08-22-2018, 12:39 PM
They're counting on a pardon.
It makes sense to me. It was a political trial.

MisterVeritis
08-22-2018, 12:40 PM
And he said that a candidate for executive political office directed him to make the payments.
...which is not a crime. I thought a friend should tell you.

MisterVeritis
08-22-2018, 12:40 PM
Not surprising, and I don't really doubt that he's guilty.
Given there were no crimes involving the President to whom do you refer?

Captdon
08-22-2018, 12:43 PM
You can't pay hush money to anyone close to an election ... that's a campaign violation ... that is, the FEC has the discretion to make that determination ... which was easy to make in this regard ... paying bribes to Ho's to keep their mouths shut and entering into a conspiracy to do it ...

That's bullshit. You can pay someone as long as it isn't connected to the campaign or with campaign funds. Neither of these are connected.

You should stick to the cut and paste. Trying to explain them is beyond your ken.

spunkloaf
08-22-2018, 12:44 PM
You can plead guilty if you committed a crime. You can't say someone else did it. Hard to grasp the fundamentals?

Still here I see.

It's not that hard. Keep trying. You'll get it. We believe in you.

Yes, you can.

jimmyz
08-22-2018, 12:44 PM
I am a proud non American.

I am proud of that fact even more.

Safety
08-22-2018, 12:44 PM
Who? Everyone should have due process. Comrade.

No doubt, Komrade.

MisterVeritis
08-22-2018, 12:45 PM
Cohen pled guilty to something that is not a crime. Lanny Davis did not act as Cohen's friend or attorney. Lanny Davis is what he has always been, a Clintonista.

You can't "plead guilty" to something that is not a crime in a court of law.
Clearly, you can. Given that the charges will not have to be proved in court it is moot. No crime occurred. Davis convinced Cohen to plead guilty to a noncrime.

Safety
08-22-2018, 12:45 PM
I don't get tired from your foolish posts.

But you should be almost at your deathbed for acting foolish.

spunkloaf
08-22-2018, 12:45 PM
Given there were no crimes involving the President to whom do you refer?

There most certainly were crimes "involving" the president, that's why it's such a huge deal. The president was directly implicated, by the very man who once said he would take a bullet for Trump. :laugh:

MisterVeritis
08-22-2018, 12:45 PM
Who?

No doubt, Komrade.
You made a charge. Defend it. Let's have a discussion.

MisterVeritis
08-22-2018, 12:47 PM
You can't pay hush money to anyone close to an election ... that's a campaign violation ... that is, the FEC has the discretion to make that determination ... which was easy to make in this regard ... paying bribes to Ho's to keep their mouths shut and entering into a conspiracy to do it ...
You err.

Making payments is not a campaign finance violation. Watch and see.

exotix
08-22-2018, 12:48 PM
Manafort's guilt was established by the jury. The pardon will erase the convictions.What about the 2nd Trial of Manafort in D.C. ... where the charges are much more serious and will implicate and prove ... literally ... why Trumpf entered in collusion and conspiracy with Putin and the Russians ?

spunkloaf
08-22-2018, 12:49 PM
You err.

Making payments is not a campaign finance violation. Watch and see.

Apparently it is, since the man who did it--who is also A LAWYER--plead guilty to it.

MisterVeritis
08-22-2018, 12:49 PM
That's bullshit. You can pay someone as long as it isn't connected to the campaign or with campaign funds. Neither of these are connected.

You should stick to the cut and paste. Trying to explain them is beyond your ken.
It is not a crime even if campaign funds were used. Candidate Trump paid for most of his campaign out of pocket. Unless the payments exceeded what Candidate Trump put on the table it cannot be a crime.

Safety
08-22-2018, 12:49 PM
Who?

You made a charge. Defend it. Let's have a discussion.

No discussion is needed. Manafort was found guilty, he will have another trial in a couple of weeks. A corrupt asshole will soon be the one “locked up”, which is sort of sweet irony considering the campaign he worked for chanted for months about “lock her up”....

MisterVeritis
08-22-2018, 12:51 PM
There most certainly were crimes "involving" the president, that's why it's such a huge deal. The president was directly implicated, by the very man who once said he would take a bullet for Trump. :laugh:
To which crimes do you refer? Be specific and let's discuss them.

spunkloaf
08-22-2018, 12:51 PM
No discussion is needed. Manafort was found guilty, he will have another trial in a couple of weeks. A corrupt asshole will soon be the one “locked up”, which is sort of sweet irony considering the campaign he worked for chanted for months about “lock her up”....

​Lock him up! Lock him up!

MisterVeritis
08-22-2018, 12:52 PM
What about the 2nd Trial of Manafort in D.C. ... where the charges are much more serious and will implicate and prove ... literally ... why Trumpf entered in collusion and conspiracy with Putin and the Russians ?
What about it?

Your hopes will be dashed once again. That is fine with me.

MisterVeritis
08-22-2018, 12:53 PM
Making payments is not a campaign finance violation. Watch and see.

Apparently it is, since the man who did it--who is also A LAWYER--plead guilty to it.
People make mistakes. Davis convinced Cohen to plead guilty to something not a crime. Why did Davis do that? Davis should be sued for malpractice.

Safety
08-22-2018, 12:54 PM
:rofl:

spunkloaf
08-22-2018, 12:55 PM
To which crimes do you refer? Be specific and let's discuss them.

Yeah...if you could go ahead and stop being willfully ignorant...

https://media1.tenor.com/images/bc7a8e060496a6b889c9100c20dce14e/tenor.gif?itemid=7919962

MisterVeritis
08-22-2018, 12:55 PM
You made a charge. Defend it. Let's have a discussion.

No discussion is needed. Manafort was found guilty, he will have another trial in a couple of weeks. A corrupt asshole will soon be the one “locked up”, which is sort of sweet irony considering the campaign he worked for chanted for months about “lock her up”....

I knew you were a squish.

MisterVeritis
08-22-2018, 12:56 PM
To which crimes do you refer? Be specific and let's discuss them.

Yeah...if you could go ahead and stop being willfully ignorant...


You are another squish.

Safety
08-22-2018, 12:58 PM
You made a charge. Defend it. Let's have a discussion.


I knew you were a squish.

Really, don’t you feel even a little embarrassed by resorting to such juvenile retorts, especially when responding to a post that left you dumbfounded? I mean, why not either just lick your wounds and move on, or wave a white flag next time?

spunkloaf
08-22-2018, 01:00 PM
To which crimes do you refer? Be specific and let's discuss them.

You are another squish.

Not only has your president committed immoral acts, but now it has come to light that he also participated in illegal acts...and here you sit, going "What has he done wrong? Somebody TELL ME!"

That is willful ignorance, and in my humble opinion, is bad-faith posting.

MMC
08-22-2018, 01:00 PM
What about the 2nd Trial of Manafort in D.C. ... where the charges are much more serious and will implicate and prove ... literally ... why Trumpf entered in collusion and conspiracy with Putin and the Russians ?

They will now know that a jury was hung on 10 charges out of 18, and Gates was managing Manafort's money.

spunkloaf
08-22-2018, 01:02 PM
Making payments is not a campaign finance violation. Watch and see.

People make mistakes. Davis convinced Cohen to plead guilty to something not a crime. Why did Davis do that? Davis should be sued for malpractice.

How do you know what his lawyer told him to do? Also, Cohen IS a lawyer. So, you can't really use this as an argument. He is smart enough to know what he is doing. Are you suggesting he is not?

spunkloaf
08-22-2018, 01:02 PM
They will now know that a jury was hung on 10 charges out of 18, and Gates was managing Manafort's money.

I suppose something has to make you feel better about this travesty. :rollseyes:

MisterVeritis
08-22-2018, 01:04 PM
Really, don’t you feel even a little embarrassed by resorting to such juvenile retorts, especially when responding to a post that left you dumbfounded? I mean, why not either just lick your wounds and move on, or wave a white flag next time?
You made a charge. You failed to back it up. You are a squish. It is okay.

exotix
08-22-2018, 01:05 PM
They will now know that a jury was hung on 10 charges out of 18, and Gates was managing Manafort's money.Should be good when Manafort explains why he became Trumpfs' Campaign Manager for free ... oh wait, Manafort has the right to not take the stand.

jimmyz
08-22-2018, 01:05 PM
Manifort and Cohen and most every politician that ever lived has surrounded themselves with lawyers, bag-men, political climbers, double dealing liars and people looking for monetary and professional gain. I am not surprised by any of it anymore.

Like it or not, Trump has lumps from this. The average voter will soak up the one liners and headlines without a clue as to the motives and politics behind them.

It is the first big public opinion win for the Left and anti-Trumpers.

MisterVeritis
08-22-2018, 01:07 PM
To which crimes do you refer? Be specific and let's discuss them.

Not only has your president committed immoral acts, but now it has come to light that he also participated in illegal acts...and here you sit, going "What has he done wrong? Somebody TELL ME!"
You made the charge. Defend your accusation. If you can.


That is willful ignorance, and in my humble opinion, is bad-faith posting.
Bad faith posting is making unsubstantiated charges and then whining about being called on them.

Why don't you and Safety put your heads together and come up with something interesting?

Safety
08-22-2018, 01:07 PM
You made a charge. You failed to back it up. You are a squish. It is okay.

Here’s another charge....Manafort is guilty. Either get used to events like that occurring, or stop by CVS and purchase some butt-hurt cream.

MisterVeritis
08-22-2018, 01:09 PM
How do you know what his lawyer told him to do? Also, Cohen IS a lawyer. So, you can't really use this as an argument. He is smart enough to know what he is doing. Are you suggesting he is not?
This makes me smile. Cohen was not acting as his own lawyer. He "hired" Lanny Davis. Davis has been on all of the enemeda. Did he say he advised Cohen not to plead guilty to the two non-crimes?

Think carefully. Consult with friends.

MisterVeritis
08-22-2018, 01:10 PM
Manifort and Cohen and most every politician that ever lived has surrounded themselves with lawyers, bag-men, political climbers, double dealing liars and people looking for monetary and professional gain. I am not surprised by any of it anymore.

Like it or not, Trump has lumps from this. The average voter will soak up the one liners and headlines without a clue as to the motives and politics behind them.

It is the first big public opinion win for the Left and anti-Trumpers.
I bet you will discover this will not last more than a few days.

The low information voters are already anti-Trump.