President Obama insists that there is no spending problem in Washington

[pjohns]

From The Wall Street Journal, by Stephen Moore:


What stunned House Speaker John Boehner more than anything else during his prolonged closed-door budget negotiations with Barack Obama was this revelation: "At one point several weeks ago," Mr. Boehner says, "the president said to me, 'We don't have a spending problem.' "...

The president's insistence that Washington doesn't have a spending problem, Mr. Boehner says, is predicated on the belief that massive federal deficits stem from what Mr. Obama called "a health-care problem." Mr. Boehner says that after he recovered from his astonishment—"They blame all of the fiscal woes on our health-care system"—he replied: "Clearly we have a health-care problem, which is about to get worse with ObamaCare. But, Mr. President, we have a very serious spending problem." He repeated this message so often, he says, that toward the end of the negotiations, the president became irritated and said: "I'm getting tired of hearing you say that."...

Mr. Boehner confirms that at one critical juncture he asked Mr. Obama, after conceding on $800 billion in new taxes, "What am I getting?" and the president replied: "You don't get anything for it. I'm taking that anyway."


And why the intransigence on President Obama's part?

Speaker Boehner explains:


Two reasons. ...He's so ideological himself, and he's unwilling to take on the left wing of his own party.

Here is the link to the entire article: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323482504578225620234902106.html?m od=rss_opinion_main

[Agravan]

No addict wants to admit they have a problem. They will deny it right up until thy have no choice but to face their problems. obama and the Democrats are addicted to spending our money.

[GrassrootsConservative]

Mr. Boehner confirms that at one critical juncture he asked Mr. Obama, after conceding on $800 billion in new taxes, "What am I getting?" and the president replied: "You don't get anything for it. I'm taking that anyway."

Disgusting. So much for working across the aisle.

[patrickt]

I knew my ex-wife would find her niche. I never dreamed she'd have a sex change operation and take melanin supplements.

[Cigar]

http://costofwar.com/

[patrickt]

Wars end. Entitlements go on forever.

[hanger4]

http://costofwar.com/

:poke: Bush did it too. How fricking juvenile.

But not to the tune of 1trillion + deficits a year

[Cigar]

:poke: Bush did it too. How fricking juvenile.

But not to the tune of 1trillion + deficits a year

Big Difference; one was on the book and the other ... was off the books :)

[hanger4]

Big Difference; one was on the book and the other ... was off the books :)

So Bush's deficits were actually larger ??

Do tell Cigar ??

And please link your accusations.

[Cigar]

So Bush's deficits were actually larger ??

Do tell Cigar ??

And please link your accusations.


It's been posted hundreds of times on this forum ... look it up for yourself.

Please take your time ... you have 4 years and 9 days :grin:

[hanger4]

It's been posted hundreds of times on this forum ... look it up for yourself.

Please take your time ... you have 4 years and 9 days :grin:

OH I have Cigar, it's all right here;

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?application=np

Notice it only took a few seconds.

The "4 years and 9 days" is the time YOU have to show other wise.

[Cigar]

OH I have Cigar, it's all right here;

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?application=np

Notice it only took a few seconds.

The "4 years and 9 days" is the time YOU have to show other wise.



Good ... check it every day ...

Then go on Internet Forums for the next 4 years and 9 days bitching.

Have Fun :grin:

[hanger4]

Good ... check it every day ...

Then go on Internet Forums for the next 4 years and 9 days bitching.

Have Fun :grin:

OK, now that we know and you know that your;


Big Difference; one was on the book and the other ... was off the books :)

was nothing but BS I sincerely hope you won't continue to spread lies.

[Chris]

You conservatives just don't get it do you. The problem isn't spending too much it's spending too little. The only reason government has not solved poverty, hunger, pollution, global warming, inequality, in fact no problems at all is only because it hasn't thrown enough smarts and money at these problems. The smartest thing we can do is just keep spending more and more. After all, we can just print money.

<sarcasm off>

[zelmo1234]

It is too bad we are in debt so far. I t would be interesting to geve everyone in the country a million dollars and see how fast is all ends up in the hands of the same succesful people that are out there today.

I would bet it would not take 2 years before you had poverty in America Again!

[pjohns]

It is too bad we are in debt so far. I t would be interesting to geve everyone in the country a million dollars and see how fast is all ends up in the hands of the same succesful people that are out there today.

Sadly, there is a great deal of truth to this.

If it were not so, how else to explain the fact that so many lottery winners--often of $10 million or more--end up broke, and in debt, within just a few years?

[Deadwood]

You conservatives just don't get it do you. The problem isn't spending too much it's spending too little. The only reason government has not solved poverty, hunger, pollution, global warming, inequality, in fact no problems at all is only because it hasn't thrown enough smarts and money at these problems. The smartest thing we can do is just keep spending more and more. After all, we can just print money.

<sarcasm off>

Yeah...that would work. Just keep printing more and more money, like pre-NAZI Germany and Italy, and I think the Russians tried it too.

But, American socialists are smarter, so they say, so have at her

[Agravan]

It's been posted hundreds of times on this forum ... look it up for yourself.Please take your time ... you have 4 years and 9 days :grin:10 years of two wars cost less than 1 year of obama deficits. Do the math, Goober.

[nic34]

You conservatives just don't get it do you. The problem isn't spending too much it's spending too little. The only reason government has not solved poverty, hunger, pollution, global warming, inequality, in fact no problems at all is only because it hasn't thrown enough smarts and money at these problems. The smartest thing we can do is just keep spending more and more. After all, we can just print money.

<sarcasm off>

Worked for Bush....

[nic34]

The math

From 2001 to 2009, Bush's policies, including two wars, higher Pentagon spending in addition to those wars, tax cuts, higher discretionary spending and the prescription drug program contributed $5.1 trillion to the nation's debt. From 2009 to 2017 (using projections for 2011-2017), Obama's policies have added or will add $983 billion. Not even in the same ballpark.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/02/02/1060866/-Bush-beats-Obama-s-deficit-spending-by-5-to-1-but-Romney-targets-the-wrong-guy-to-whine-about

[Chris]

The math

From 2001 to 2009, Bush's policies, including two wars, higher Pentagon spending in addition to those wars, tax cuts, higher discretionary spending and the prescription drug program contributed $5.1 trillion to the nation's debt. From 2009 to 2017 (using projections for 2011-2017), Obama's policies have added or will add $983 billion. Not even in the same ballpark.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/02/02/1060866/-Bush-beats-Obama-s-deficit-spending-by-5-to-1-but-Romney-targets-the-wrong-guy-to-whine-about

LOL, nic, you need to add the $983B to the $5.1 trillion as in:

http://i.snag.gy/Q7sPc.jpg

Bush was bad, Obama is worse.

[zelmo1234]

Wouldn't that be great if by the end of 2017 we wer back down to 11 trillion in debt?

That would b=mean that we would need to start having 1.5 trillion dollar surpluses starting next year!

BETTER START THOSE SPENDING CUTS NOW DEMOCRATS, THAT IS CUTTING 3 TRILLION OUT OF THE BUDGET!

Let me know when the savings start Nic?

[nic34]

Bush was bad, Obama is worse.

Tunnel vision. Bush had a Clinton surplus.

[Agravan]

The math

From 2001 to 2009, Bush's policies, including two wars, higher Pentagon spending in addition to those wars, tax cuts, higher discretionary spending and the prescription drug program contributed $5.1 trillion to the nation's debt. From 2009 to 2017 (using projections for 2011-2017), Obama's policies have added or will add $983 billion. Not even in the same ballpark.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/02/02/1060866/-Bush-beats-Obama-s-deficit-spending-by-5-to-1-but-Romney-targets-the-wrong-guy-to-whine-about
How, exactly, is letting people keep more of their own money, government spending? When I earn $100 and send the government $15 instead of $25, how does that equal the government giving me money? I earned that mpney, not the government. It's my money, not the goverment's.

So, nic, what was the debt at the end of Clinton's term, the end of Bush's term and right now??

[patrickt]

How, exactly, is letting people keep more of their own money, government spending? When I earn $100 and send the government $15 instead of $25, how does that equal the government giving me money? I earned that mpney, not the government. It's my money, not the goverment's.


So, nic, what was the debt at the end of Clinton's term, the end of Bush's term and right now??
Well, Agravan, for socialists and communists it's all theirs. You didn't make that company grow, the government did. Those children aren't yours they belong to the government. And, everything you earn belongs to the government but they are letting you keep almost half of it now. That will change quite soon with Obamacare.

[zelmo1234]

Tunnel vision. Bush had a Clinton surplus.

Not if you impose Obama standards to Bush!

Every self respecting Democrat will tell you that the 2009 deficite belongs to GWB meaniing the the 2001 deficite woudl belong to Clinton

Yo can not have it both ways. So if you are going to try and pin Obamas first trillion in spending on GWB, then Clinton did not leave Bush a surplus!

[patrickt]

And don't forget that the Clinton savings came with neutering the military. That's like "saving" money by not paying your utility bill. Sooner or later you pay or your lights get turned off. And, for Clinton, a Republican congress saved his ass. He couldn't even get his "stimulus" program through congress when both houses were Democrat. He was blessed with as many socialists/communists in Congress as is Obama.

[pjohns]

The math

From 2001 to 2009, Bush's policies, including two wars, higher Pentagon spending in addition to those wars, tax cuts, higher discretionary spending and the prescription drug program contributed $5.1 trillion to the nation's debt. From 2009 to 2017 (using projections for 2011-2017), Obama's policies have added or will add $983 billion. Not even in the same ballpark.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/02/02/1060866/-Bush-beats-Obama-s-deficit-spending-by-5-to-1-but-Romney-targets-the-wrong-guy-to-whine-about

I find it utterly fascinating that anyone might quote the Daily Kos, as if it were both a reputable and a neutral source of information...

[patrickt]

I find it utterly fascinating that anyone might quote the Daily Kos, as if it were both a reputable and a neutral source of information...

I think for Nic the DailyKos is a right-wing reactionary fascist rag.

[Carygrant]

I see none of the crazed Extremists have even contemplated the truth . That extra spending in the last4/5 years has only really been concerned with keeping banks solvent .This is probably why Chris in a separate Topic could not see that today Govt and Banks are one and the same thing .
And this remains true .
And this still will not avert the real crash later this year -- which is a pity because the cognoscenti did so much to create breathing space for an economic miracle to occur .
Banks right across the developed world are insolvent and scared rigid to lend to anybody .
In America this all occurred under the Rep watch
That is why Reps must be kept from the possibility of Govt again and until --- at minimum ---the old style , old, White men are dead and buried .

[Agravan]

I see none of the crazed Extremists have even contemplated the truth . That extra spending in the last4/5 years has only really been concerned with keeping banks solvent .
And it still is .
And this still will not avert the real crash later this year -- which is a pity because the cognoscenti did so much to create breathing space for an economic miracle to occur .
Banks right across the developed world are insolvent and scared rigid to lend to anybody .
In America this all occurred under the Rep watch
That is why Reps must be kept from the possibility of Govt again and until --- at minimum ---the old style , old, White men are dead and buried .
Under rep watch with a socialist/Democrat Congress. Why do you insist on ignoring that? Oh, because it doesn't fit your agenda.

[Chris]

I see none of the crazed Extremists have even contemplated the truth . That extra spending in the last4/5 years has only really been concerned with keeping banks solvent .This is probably why Chris in a separate Topic could not see that today Govt and Banks are one and the same thing .
And this remains true .
And this still will not avert the real crash later this year -- which is a pity because the cognoscenti did so much to create breathing space for an economic miracle to occur .
Banks right across the developed world are insolvent and scared rigid to lend to anybody .
In America this all occurred under the Rep watch
That is why Reps must be kept from the possibility of Govt again and until --- at minimum ---the old style , old, White men are dead and buried .

That the banks and government collude is beyond question, that they are one and the same is nonsense. Consider AIG. And this has been happening for decades, not just under rep watch. So much for your crazed extremist truth, cary.

[Uncle Slam]

Anyone who thinks one party is worth defending and better than the other in my mind is a crazed extremist. Jesus, how much more proof we need that they're both fucked?

[Cigar]

But only one is winning ...

[Chris]

But only one is winning ...

That's right, Charlie Sheen.

[pjohns]

Under rep watch with a socialist/Democrat Congress. Why do you insist on ignoring that? Oh, because it doesn't fit your agenda.

The person to whom you are responding is merely a troll; and therefore, entirely impervious to reasoned arguments...

[patrickt]

Anyone who thinks one party is worth defending and better than the other in my mind is a crazed extremist. Jesus, how much more proof we need that they're both fucked?

An extremist heard from and noted.

[Uncle Slam]

An extremist heard from and noted.

Oh no, you're the extremist because you follow the playbook of zombie-makers, the GOP. Any Democrat is equally a puppet for people who could give one shit about them.