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Common
09-09-2018, 06:32 AM
Heres a darling of the left baring her racist muslim bottom


Far-left Islamic activist Linda Sarsour made strong anti-Semitic remarks during a speech this month at the annual Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) convention in Houston, Texas — calling for the dehumanization of Israelis.

The Algemeiner reported (https://www.algemeiner.com/2018/09/04/isna-convention-uses-shame-fear-to-stir-radical-agenda/) that Sarsour shamed Muslims for not being more politically active and said that if Muslims are not promoting the Palestinian cause then they are part of the problem, saying, "You as an American Muslim are complicit in the occupation of Palestinians, in the murder of Palestinian protesters."


"So when we start debating in the Muslim community about Palestine, it tells me a lot about you and about the type of faith that you have in your heart," Sarsour continued. "If you’re on the side of the oppressor, or you’re defending the oppressor, or you’re actually trying to humanize the oppressor, then that’s a problem sisters and brothers, and we got to be able to say: 'That is not the position of the Muslim American community.'"


Sarsour, who has a long history of anti-Semitism (https://forward.com/opinion/396003/linda-sarsour-has-been-a-farrakhan-fan-for-years/), received a ringing endorsement from Democratic socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez this week after Sarsour was arrested for disrupting Judge Brett Kavanaugh's Supreme Court confirmation hearing.


https://www.dailywire.com/news/35631/linda-sarsour-calls-dehumanization-jews-report-ryan-saavedra

stjames1_53
09-09-2018, 06:44 AM
Heres a darling of the left baring her racist muslim bottom


Far-left Islamic activist Linda Sarsour made strong anti-Semitic remarks during a speech this month at the annual Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) convention in Houston, Texas — calling for the dehumanization of Israelis.

The Algemeiner reported (https://www.algemeiner.com/2018/09/04/isna-convention-uses-shame-fear-to-stir-radical-agenda/) that Sarsour shamed Muslims for not being more politically active and said that if Muslims are not promoting the Palestinian cause then they are part of the problem, saying, "You as an American Muslim are complicit in the occupation of Palestinians, in the murder of Palestinian protesters."


"So when we start debating in the Muslim community about Palestine, it tells me a lot about you and about the type of faith that you have in your heart," Sarsour continued. "If you’re on the side of the oppressor, or you’re defending the oppressor, or you’re actually trying to humanize the oppressor, then that’s a problem sisters and brothers, and we got to be able to say: 'That is not the position of the Muslim American community.'"


Sarsour, who has a long history of anti-Semitism (https://forward.com/opinion/396003/linda-sarsour-has-been-a-farrakhan-fan-for-years/), received a ringing endorsement from Democratic socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez this week after Sarsour was arrested for disrupting Judge Brett Kavanaugh's Supreme Court confirmation hearing.


https://www.dailywire.com/news/35631/linda-sarsour-calls-dehumanization-jews-report-ryan-saavedra

We can't jail her, but we can sure run her out of this country.

Peter1469
09-09-2018, 08:15 AM
Palestine is not a historic term. The people who live in Gaza and the West Bank are descendants of Arab nomads. I understand that many are re-writing history to make it appear as if these people have title to the land.

donttread
09-09-2018, 08:52 AM
Palestine is not a historic term. The people who live in Gaza and the West Bank are descendants of Arab nomads. I understand that many are re-writing history to make it appear as if these people have title to the land.


Is it true that some of them went there to attack Israel and just got as far as Palestine and stayed? Talk about bad neighbors!

Peter1469
09-09-2018, 09:00 AM
Is it true that some of them went there to attack Israel and just got as far as Palestine and stayed? Talk about bad neighbors!

They got stuck there as nations developed in the Middle East and made it harder for nomads to roam as they wished.

Dr. Strangelove
09-09-2018, 11:00 AM
Palestine is not a historic term. The people who live in Gaza and the West Bank are descendants of Arab nomads. I understand that many are re-writing history to make it appear as if these people have title to the land.

Just as the Jews did with Izrahell!!!
Just to be fair about it!

Standing Wolf
09-09-2018, 01:20 PM
We can't jail her, but we can sure run her out of this country.

Sure. Send her back to where she came from. Um...Brooklyn.

Standing Wolf
09-09-2018, 01:24 PM
Palestine is not a historic term. The people who live in Gaza and the West Bank are descendants of Arab nomads. I understand that many are re-writing history to make it appear as if these people have title to the land.

The only authority one can cite for make it appear that the Israelis "have title to the land" is the Old Testament. And if I recall, the twelve tribes had to massacre a whole lot of indigenous people in order to claim what their god had "given" them.

Jeb!
09-09-2018, 01:45 PM
Sounds like a moderate Democrat.

Common
09-09-2018, 02:34 PM
The only authority one can cite for make it appear that the Israelis "have title to the land" is the Old Testament. And if I recall, the twelve tribes had to massacre a whole lot of indigenous people in order to claim what their god had "given" them.

Do you agree with her statments? and if not do you agree she should be condemned by the media just like every conservative but alas not much more than a tiny murmur from the press.

Mr.Soxes
09-09-2018, 04:07 PM
Palestine is not a historic term. The people who live in Gaza and the West Bank are descendants of Arab nomads. I understand that many are re-writing history to make it appear as if these people have title to the land.
The problem is the Turks held the titles to the land and sold it to the Jews!:sign_amen:

Mr.Soxes
09-09-2018, 04:12 PM
The only authority one can cite for make it appear that the Israelis "have title to the land" is the Old Testament. And if I recall, the twelve tribes had to massacre a whole lot of indigenous people in order to claim what their god had "given" them.
Turkey supplied the land after WW1 and Hitler supplied the money during WW2 to set up the state of Israel!

jet57
09-09-2018, 04:18 PM
Heres a darling of the left baring her racist muslim bottom


Far-left Islamic activist Linda Sarsour made strong anti-Semitic remarks during a speech this month at the annual Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) convention in Houston, Texas — calling for the dehumanization of Israelis.

The Algemeiner reported (https://www.algemeiner.com/2018/09/04/isna-convention-uses-shame-fear-to-stir-radical-agenda/) that Sarsour shamed Muslims for not being more politically active and said that if Muslims are not promoting the Palestinian cause then they are part of the problem, saying, "You as an American Muslim are complicit in the occupation of Palestinians, in the murder of Palestinian protesters."


"So when we start debating in the Muslim community about Palestine, it tells me a lot about you and about the type of faith that you have in your heart," Sarsour continued. "If you’re on the side of the oppressor, or you’re defending the oppressor, or you’re actually trying to humanize the oppressor, then that’s a problem sisters and brothers, and we got to be able to say: 'That is not the position of the Muslim American community.'"


Sarsour, who has a long history of anti-Semitism (https://forward.com/opinion/396003/linda-sarsour-has-been-a-farrakhan-fan-for-years/), received a ringing endorsement from Democratic socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez this week after Sarsour was arrested for disrupting Judge Brett Kavanaugh's Supreme Court confirmation hearing.


https://www.dailywire.com/news/35631/linda-sarsour-calls-dehumanization-jews-report-ryan-saavedra

There's a vast distance between "the Oppressor" and someone who is "Jewish".

Step - away - from the right-wing rag; think, then post.

Dr. Who
09-09-2018, 04:19 PM
We can't jail her, but we can sure run her out of this country.
That might be difficult since she was born and raised in Brooklyn, NY to legal immigrant parents.

Mr.Soxes
09-09-2018, 04:31 PM
There's a vast distance between "the Oppressor" and someone who is "Jewish".

Step - away - from the right-wing rag; think, then post.
I suppose none of the money the Jews donate to religious causes ever makes its way to Israel? :laughing4:

Dr. Who
09-09-2018, 04:34 PM
Heres a darling of the left baring her racist muslim bottom


Far-left Islamic activist Linda Sarsour made strong anti-Semitic remarks during a speech this month at the annual Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) convention in Houston, Texas — calling for the dehumanization of Israelis.

The Algemeiner reported (https://www.algemeiner.com/2018/09/04/isna-convention-uses-shame-fear-to-stir-radical-agenda/) that Sarsour shamed Muslims for not being more politically active and said that if Muslims are not promoting the Palestinian cause then they are part of the problem, saying, "You as an American Muslim are complicit in the occupation of Palestinians, in the murder of Palestinian protesters."


"So when we start debating in the Muslim community about Palestine, it tells me a lot about you and about the type of faith that you have in your heart," Sarsour continued. "If you’re on the side of the oppressor, or you’re defending the oppressor, or you’re actually trying to humanize the oppressor, then that’s a problem sisters and brothers, and we got to be able to say: 'That is not the position of the Muslim American community.'"


Sarsour, who has a long history of anti-Semitism (https://forward.com/opinion/396003/linda-sarsour-has-been-a-farrakhan-fan-for-years/), received a ringing endorsement from Democratic socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez this week after Sarsour was arrested for disrupting Judge Brett Kavanaugh's Supreme Court confirmation hearing.


https://www.dailywire.com/news/35631/linda-sarsour-calls-dehumanization-jews-report-ryan-saavedra

I'm not particularly familiar with Sarsour, however, she referred to the dehumanization of Israelis, not Jews. That comes across as a political rather than antisemitic statement to me. One could equally conclude that when American Jewish groups become hyperbolic about Palestinians, that they are expressing anti-Muslim sentiment, which they would vehemently deny.

Mr.Soxes
09-09-2018, 04:36 PM
I'm not particularly familiar with Sarsour, however, she referred to the dehumanization of Israelis, not Jews. That comes across as a political rather than antisemitic statement to me. One could equally conclude that when American Jewish groups become hyperbolic about Palestinians, that they are expressing anti-Muslim sentiment, which they would vehemently deny.
Thats because it is allright for jews to be racist or intolerant in any way!:wink:

Peter1469
09-09-2018, 04:56 PM
The only authority one can cite for make it appear that the Israelis "have title to the land" is the Old Testament. And if I recall, the twelve tribes had to massacre a whole lot of indigenous people in order to claim what their god had "given" them.
Yes the Israelis took the land that God said was theirs.

Why do you find that odd?

Mr.Soxes
09-09-2018, 05:01 PM
Yes the Israelis took the land that God said was theirs.

Why do you find that odd?
And thus the first recorded case of genocide was documented!:cool2:

roadmaster
09-09-2018, 05:26 PM
Yes the Israelis took the land that God said was theirs.

Why do you find that odd?
Except they are not Israelites according to the Bible. They are not believers.

Mr.Soxes
09-09-2018, 05:29 PM
Except they are not Israelites according to the Bible. They are not believers.

They were also black!:glasses6:

roadmaster
09-09-2018, 05:30 PM
They were also black!:glasses6:
They were all colors. It is a faith not a skin color.

jet57
09-09-2018, 05:32 PM
I suppose none of the money the Jews donate to religious causes ever makes its way to Israel? :laughing4:

A bit racist are you?

Mr.Soxes
09-09-2018, 05:33 PM
They were all colors. It is a faith not a skin color.
You dont understand!:nono:

Mr.Soxes
09-09-2018, 05:34 PM
A bit racist are you?
I dont think that is called racism?:nono:

jet57
09-09-2018, 05:35 PM
I dont think that is called racism?:nono:

Yeah, well, that's what it is.

Mr.Soxes
09-09-2018, 05:39 PM
Yeah, well, that's what it is.

Being racist has nothing to do with religion!:nono:

roadmaster
09-09-2018, 05:40 PM
You dont understand!:nono: No you don't. What did Jesus say, not all of Israel is Israel and not all Israelites are in Israel. He even told people who called themselves Jews which were not, "a Jew is one who worships God in spirit and rejoices in Christ Jesus and has NO confidence in their flesh."
Your flesh won't save you. A lot of false preachers out there today repeating the same thing the Pharisees said to Jesus that He rebuked.

Mr.Soxes
09-09-2018, 05:42 PM
No you don't. What did Jesus say, not all of Israel is Israel and not all Israelites are in Israel. He even told people who called themselves Jews which were not, "a Jew is one who worships God in spirit and rejoices in Christ Jesus and has NO confidence in their flesh."
Your flesh won't save you. A lot of false preachers out there today repeating the same thing the Pharisees said to Jesus that He rebuked.

Jesus actually warned us that Jews were a bunch of liars and not to be trusted!:sign_amen:

roadmaster
09-09-2018, 05:48 PM
Being racist has nothing to do with religion!:nono: The Bible is not nor has ever been racist. He wishes all to believe on Him and will gather His people from the corners of the Earth.

hanger4
09-09-2018, 05:49 PM
Jesus actually warned us that Jews were a bunch of liars and not to be trusted!:sign_amen:Book and verse/s ??

Peter1469
09-09-2018, 05:49 PM
Except they are not Israelites according to the Bible. They are not believers.

Incorrect. Fundy's fail like that.

Mr.Soxes
09-09-2018, 05:52 PM
Book and verse/s ??
https://i1.wp.com/smoloko.com/wp-content/uploads/JesusChristJewsMeme1.jpg?resize=1180%2C928

roadmaster
09-09-2018, 05:57 PM
All I can say is read the Bible. I am not going to put them all here. You either believe the Bible or you don't.

Philippians 3:3 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Philippians-3-3/) | View whole chapter (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Philippians-Chapter-3/#3) | See verse in context (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Philippians-3-1_3-4/) For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

hanger4
09-09-2018, 06:03 PM
https://i1.wp.com/smoloko.com/wp-content/uploads/JesusChristJewsMeme1.jpg?resize=1180%2C928Matthew 12, 23;All the people were astonished and said, “Could this be the Son of David?”Try again

Dr. Strangelove
09-09-2018, 06:03 PM
Turkey supplied the land after WW1 and Hitler supplied the money during WW2 to set up the state of Israel!

His hatefull agent was the Grand Mufti, a Muslim NAZI!

Mr.Soxes
09-09-2018, 06:04 PM
The Bible is not nor has ever been racist. He wishes all to believe on Him and will gather His people from the corners of the Earth.

But only one itsy bitsy place is given reverence by jews and christians!:afro:

Mr.Soxes
09-09-2018, 06:05 PM
His hatefull agent was the Grand Mufti, a Muslim NAZI!

Hitler learned his lesson about helping jews!:wink:

Mr.Soxes
09-09-2018, 06:10 PM
https://slideplayer.com/slide/5889387/19/images/26/10.+In+Matthew+21%3A43+(1434)+Jesus+warned+plainly +that+He+was+taking+the+kingdom+from+the+Jews+….jp g

Mr.Soxes
09-09-2018, 06:16 PM
https://i2.wp.com/smoloko.com/wp-content/uploads/jesusJEWSpng4.jpg?fit=721%2C505

Mr.Soxes
09-09-2018, 06:21 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dd_DAahVMAAeX6j.jpg

Cletus
09-09-2018, 06:25 PM
Just what the forum needs.. another bullshit thread.

Joy, joy.

Mr.Soxes
09-09-2018, 06:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMMsbuZIzDs

hanger4
09-09-2018, 06:39 PM
Jesus actually warned us that Jews were a bunch of liars and not to be trusted!:sign_amen:Apparently more made up shit by @Mr. Soxes

Mr.Soxes
09-09-2018, 06:42 PM
Apparently more made up $#@! by @Mr. Soxes

I take it your sunday service was about how we needed to support Israel and Jews are the chosen people!:boobs:

hanger4
09-09-2018, 06:44 PM
I take it your sunday service was about how we needed to support Israel and Jews are the chosen people!:boobs:I take it you lied.
Jesus actually warned us that Jews were a bunch of liars and not to be trusted!:sign_amen:

Mr.Soxes
09-09-2018, 06:47 PM
I take it you lied.
I have posted several excerpts from the bible to support my position!:voodoo:

jet57
09-09-2018, 07:00 PM
Being racist has nothing to do with religion!:nono:
Oh yes it does dude; been over to Stormfront lately have 'ya?

jet57
09-09-2018, 07:01 PM
Jesus actually warned us that Jews were a bunch of liars and not to be trusted!:sign_amen:
24303

Mr.Soxes
09-09-2018, 07:01 PM
Oh yes it does dude; been over to Stormfront lately have 'ya?

All that post there are Feds!:afro:

Mr.Soxes
09-09-2018, 07:02 PM
24303
It didnt work Lummys thread and it dont work here!:afro:

jet57
09-09-2018, 07:03 PM
All that post there are Feds!:afro:

So you ARE a Stormfronter!

I thought so.

jet57
09-09-2018, 07:04 PM
It didnt work Lummys thread and it dont work here!:afro:

I don't discuss anything with racists.

hanger4
09-09-2018, 07:12 PM
I have posted several excerpts from the bible to support my position!:voodoo:You posted nothing that supports your claim. What Book and verse did Jeaus say the Jews were liers ??
Jesus actually warned us that Jews were a bunch of liars and not to be trusted!:sign_amen:

Mr.Soxes
09-09-2018, 07:16 PM
You posted nothing that supports your claim. What Book and verse did Jeaus say the Jews were liers ??

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/28/cb/bc/28cbbc39e22c2ef0c17d265e8825a440.png:rollseyes:

Nicole
09-09-2018, 07:38 PM
I'm not particularly familiar with Sarsour, however, she referred to the dehumanization of Israelis, not Jews. That comes across as a political rather than antisemitic statement to me. One could equally conclude that when American Jewish groups become hyperbolic about Palestinians, that they are expressing anti-Muslim sentiment, which they would vehemently deny.

This is my opinion too. She did not refer to the "oppressors" as being Jewish. If she had, that's what would have been quoted.

Since this is only being reported in right wing media, it would seem her comments have been cherry picked in order to spin them to negative effect.

hanger4
09-09-2018, 07:40 PM
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/28/cb/bc/28cbbc39e22c2ef0c17d265e8825a440.png:rollseyes:A group of Jews (synagogue of Satan) is not calling Jews liers. Try harder

Mr.Soxes
09-09-2018, 07:43 PM
A group of Jews (synagogue of Satan) is not calling Jews liers. Try harder

But lie quot may be a little bit to much for your pea sized brain to handle!:afro:

Mr.Soxes
09-09-2018, 07:45 PM
https://i1.wp.com/smoloko.com/wp-content/uploads/thatFaceYouMakeTalmudJewsMeme.jpg?fit=730%2C537&w=640

Mr.Soxes
09-09-2018, 07:47 PM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-lA4K0WxWOAM/VOF52rGdmJI/AAAAAAAALgY/rqFZqlSPibk/s1600/jfk-conspiracy-meme.jpg

hanger4
09-09-2018, 07:53 PM
But lie quot may be a little bit to much for your pea sized brain to handle!:afro:Jesus didn't claim Jews were liars, you did.

Mr.Soxes
09-09-2018, 07:56 PM
Jesus didn't claim Jews were liars, you did.
https://alakhtal.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/cry2.jpg?w=1400
Jews are self proclaimed liars and need absolutely no help from me!:sign10:

Mr.Soxes
09-09-2018, 07:57 PM
http://goyimgazette.com/wp-content/uploads/1131.gif

Tahuyaman
09-09-2018, 08:10 PM
Palestine is not a historic term. The people who live in Gaza and the West Bank are descendants of Arab nomads. I understand that many are re-writing history to make it appear as if these people have title to the land.

For some reason, many people today actually think there was once a nation called Palestine and that it was taken from them by those nasty Jooz.

hanger4
09-09-2018, 08:26 PM
https://alakhtal.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/cry2.jpg?w=1400Jews are self proclaimed liars and need absolutely no help from me!:sign10:You either intentionally lied or you're incredibly stupid.

roadmaster
09-09-2018, 08:27 PM
Jesus didn't claim Jews were liars, you did. Correct He just called the unbelievers liars.

21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-John-2-21/)
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-John-2-22/)
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also]. (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-John-2-23/)

Tahuyaman
09-09-2018, 09:43 PM
Is it true that some of them went there to attack Israel and just got as far as Palestine and stayed? Talk about bad neighbors!

They got as far as Palestine? Where is this place called Palestine? What are it's borders?

Tahuyaman
09-09-2018, 09:45 PM
I suppose none of the money the Jews donate to religious causes ever makes its way to Israel? :laughing4:


So what if it does? There are needy people in Israel too.

Orion Rules
09-09-2018, 11:39 PM
Do you agree with her statments? and if not do you agree she should be condemned by the media just like every conservative but alas not much more than a tiny murmur from the press.

The fact that this is a real issue, and she lives in the United States, when those, who adhere to the land of Palestine as having no historical basis, when, it was the German's. That's why Jerusalem belongs to the Israelis.

Linda Sarsour states what she believes. At least, she has held onto the same beliefs, some change her stories. The issue is that multiculturalism is the result of distorted societies. There is nothing happy for Palestinians.

The whole idea was to hear what this man had to say when he then described the situation of there is only one Jewish state, to there are all of those other places that are called the maximum sizes the Arab landings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2sstzXukRQ

Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO), you cannot play both sides forever. The Israelis planted trees, they are the olive branches. They have vested interests that the ark of the covenant stays. Lands for vegan farmers.

Standing Wolf
09-09-2018, 11:43 PM
Yes the Israelis took the land that God said was theirs.

Why do you find that odd?

So when you wake up one morning to find that a family has taken over your front yard because their god told them it was okay, you'll be good with that?

stjames1_53
09-10-2018, 06:48 AM
So when you wake up one morning to find that a family has taken over your front yard because their god told them it was okay, you'll be good with that?

Pete lives in the US. If he's got people standing in his yard demanding he give it up to them, we have a lot more serious problem than you're anticipating

Peter1469
09-10-2018, 08:02 AM
So when you wake up one morning to find that a family has taken over your front yard because their god told them it was okay, you'll be good with that?

Arab nomads don't have a front yard.

Standing Wolf
09-10-2018, 08:10 AM
Arab nomads don't have a front yard.

You seem to be repeatedly defending the displacement of Palestinian Arabs by referring to them as "nomads". Certainly some fit that description; on the other hand, towns and villages, even cities, have existed in what is now the West Bank and Gaza for millennia. Families that have lived there for many generations have had their farms, orchards and homes destroyed to make way for (frequently illegal) Jewish settlements. Those families would no doubt be puzzled to hear themselves described as "nomads".

Tahuyaman
09-10-2018, 08:57 AM
Arab nomads don't have a front yard.


Correct. There never was nor has been a nation called Palestine. There never has been a place called Palestine with defined borders. Palestine has always been a region, not a nation or kingdom.

Cannons Front
09-10-2018, 09:08 AM
So when you wake up one morning to find that a family has taken over your front yard because their god told them it was okay, you'll be good with that?
Generally speaking your Scenario has not happened, while there may be individual cases overall the land owners were never forced from their land. Now there were many who fled areas of the country when the 2 countries were formed and they did abandon and potentially lose their property as much of the abandoned land was converted to public land. The same thing happens to abandoned land around the world.
in 1947 the Newly formed UN voted to establish 2 new countries (prior to this there were no countries of Israel or Palestine) this would have given both groups a homeland. The Arabs however decided instead to attack, forces from Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq invaded. They did not prevail and in 1949, a U.N.-brokered cease-fires left the State of Israel in permanent control of those conquered areas.
Arabs that remained within Israel have equal rights and many become parliamentarians, judges, diplomats, public health officials and IDF Generals.

The Palestinians are there own worse enemy.

Standing Wolf
09-10-2018, 10:36 AM
... in 1949, a U.N.-brokered cease-fires left the State of Israel in permanent control of those conquered areas.

Incorrect. International law strictly prohibits the colonization, annexation or long-term occupation of land "acquired" through warfare. Israel has occupied the West Bank and kept its people subjugated and half-starved for more than half a century. The U.S. and the West generally would never tolerate such a situation for even a fraction of that time if the perpetrator were not Israel.

Ethereal
09-10-2018, 10:42 AM
Heres a darling of the left baring her racist muslim bottom


Far-left Islamic activist Linda Sarsour made strong anti-Semitic remarks during a speech this month at the annual Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) convention in Houston, Texas — calling for the dehumanization of Israelis.

The Algemeiner reported (https://www.algemeiner.com/2018/09/04/isna-convention-uses-shame-fear-to-stir-radical-agenda/) that Sarsour shamed Muslims for not being more politically active and said that if Muslims are not promoting the Palestinian cause then they are part of the problem, saying, "You as an American Muslim are complicit in the occupation of Palestinians, in the murder of Palestinian protesters."


"So when we start debating in the Muslim community about Palestine, it tells me a lot about you and about the type of faith that you have in your heart," Sarsour continued. "If you’re on the side of the oppressor, or you’re defending the oppressor, or you’re actually trying to humanize the oppressor, then that’s a problem sisters and brothers, and we got to be able to say: 'That is not the position of the Muslim American community.'"


Sarsour, who has a long history of anti-Semitism (https://forward.com/opinion/396003/linda-sarsour-has-been-a-farrakhan-fan-for-years/), received a ringing endorsement from Democratic socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez this week after Sarsour was arrested for disrupting Judge Brett Kavanaugh's Supreme Court confirmation hearing.


https://www.dailywire.com/news/35631/linda-sarsour-calls-dehumanization-jews-report-ryan-saavedra
How does "stop humanizing the oppressor" translate into "stop humanizing the Jews", Common?

Tahuyaman
09-10-2018, 12:27 PM
Of course the anti-Semites will try to spin this one.

Captdon
09-10-2018, 12:43 PM
The only authority one can cite for make it appear that the Israelis "have title to the land" is the Old Testament. And if I recall, the twelve tribes had to massacre a whole lot of indigenous people in order to claim what their god had "given" them.

That and the UN. We voted yes. So, there's two more

Peter1469
09-10-2018, 12:44 PM
Just as the Jews did with Izrahell!!!
Just to be fair about it!



Your view is clownish.

Captdon
09-10-2018, 12:45 PM
I forgot that racism and anti-Semitism run together like rats.

Peter1469
09-10-2018, 12:48 PM
The only authority one can cite for make it appear that the Israelis "have title to the land" is the Old Testament. And if I recall, the twelve tribes had to massacre a whole lot of indigenous people in order to claim what their god had "given" them.
Right. They took it.

Captdon
09-10-2018, 12:48 PM
I'm not particularly familiar with Sarsour, however, she referred to the dehumanization of Israelis, not Jews. That comes across as a political rather than antisemitic statement to me. One could equally conclude that when American Jewish groups become hyperbolic about Palestinians, that they are expressing anti-Muslim sentiment, which they would vehemently deny.

Of course she meant Jews. Playing cutie-pie is beneath you or was.

Captdon
09-10-2018, 12:49 PM
There's a vast distance between "the Oppressor" and someone who is "Jewish".

Step - away - from the right-wing rag; think, then post.

You also know what she meant.

Captdon
09-10-2018, 12:51 PM
Hitler learned his lesson about helping jews!:wink:

Dumbest post ever.

Captdon
09-10-2018, 12:54 PM
I gave up on this half-way through. Mr Soxes is a racist and anti-Semetic. He's more shit than I can clean of my shoes. This place is going to hell in a hand basket

Orion Rules
09-10-2018, 01:07 PM
Originally Posted by Common:
Do you agree with her statments? and if not do you agree she should be condemned by the media just like every conservative but alas not much more than a tiny murmur from the press.

The fact that this is a real issue, and she lives in the United States, when those, who adhere to the land of Palestine as having no historical basis, when, it was the German's. That's why Jerusalem belongs to the Israelis.

Linda Sarsour states what she believes. At least, she has held onto the same beliefs, some change her stories. The issue is that multiculturalism is the result of distorted societies. There is nothing happy for Palestinians.

The whole idea was to hear what this man had to say when he then described the situation of there is only one Jewish state, to there are all of those other places that are called the maximum sizes the Arab landings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2sstzXukRQ

Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO), you cannot play both sides forever. The Israelis planted trees, they are the olive branches. They have vested interests that the ark of the covenant stays. Lands for vegan farmers.

stjames1_53
09-10-2018, 01:28 PM
The only authority one can cite for make it appear that the Israelis "have title to the land" is the Old Testament. And if I recall, the twelve tribes had to massacre a whole lot of indigenous people in order to claim what their god had "given" them.

not too unlike what we did to the American Indian, eh? Does that make it right?
You keep what you can hang onto.

Standing Wolf
09-10-2018, 02:05 PM
That and the UN. We voted yes. So, there's two more

I'm not referring to Israel, but to the West Bank. Hardliners in Israel often refer to that region as being a de facto part of Israel, but no one else has. And since you mentioned the U.N., that body has passed numerous resolutions condemning the colonization of the West Bank through the building of illegal settlements, but they continue to be built and U.S. taxpayers continue to shell out billions of dollars every year to reward Israel for being a "good ally".

Cannons Front
09-10-2018, 02:26 PM
Incorrect. International law strictly prohibits the colonization, annexation or long-term occupation of land "acquired" through warfare. Israel has occupied the West Bank and kept its people subjugated and half-starved for more than half a century. The U.S. and the West generally would never tolerate such a situation for even a fraction of that time if the perpetrator were not Israel.

Sorry history does not agree with you.
The Israelis, though less well equipped, managed to fight off the Arabs and then seize key territory, such as Galilee, the Palestinian coast, and a strip of territory connecting the coastal region to the western section of Jerusalem (https://www.history.com/topics/history-of-jerusalem). In 1949, U.N.-brokered cease-fires left the State of Israel in permanent control of this conquered territory. The departure of hundreds of thousands of Palestinian Arabs from Israel during the war left the country with a substantial Jewish majority. https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/state-of-israel-proclaimed

Seems like other countries have kept land from war as well.......In 1855, Russia and Japan signed the Treaty of Shimoda, which gave Japan ownership of the four southern islands and Russia ownership of everything to the north. Communities developed on three of the islands and by the time World War II began, there were 17,000 Japanese residents. Russia took control of the islands at the end of the war, and by 1949 it had deported all residents to Japan.
Then there is China's conquest of Tibet, North Viet Nam's conquest of South Viet Nam....... many more examples if you just look or know history.... Just saying


Is it illegal for a country to annex land that they won in a defensive war? Since there is no entity in the world with sovereignty over the nations of the world, the answer is no. The term international law gets thrown around a lot, but in reality there is no such animal. Agreements between countries, called treaties, are like contracts, except the courts of a political entity, nation or US state for example, have power to enforce contracts. No such entity exists internationally. The UN, an organization of sovereign states has no such authority. In reality, neither does the ICC or the World Court. Whatever power they possess is that of individual, powerful nations to support their rulings. If the US doesn't support a resolution or ruling of a so called international court, that ruling is worthless.

So tell me again? What supports your position?

Standing Wolf
09-10-2018, 02:50 PM
Sorry history does not agree with you.
The Israelis, though less well equipped, managed to fight off the Arabs and then seize key territory, such as Galilee, the Palestinian coast, and a strip of territory connecting the coastal region to the western section of Jerusalem (https://www.history.com/topics/history-of-jerusalem). In 1949, U.N.-brokered cease-fires left the State of Israel in permanent control of this conquered territory. The departure of hundreds of thousands of Palestinian Arabs from Israel during the war left the country with a substantial Jewish majority. https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/state-of-israel-proclaimed

Seems like other countries have kept land from war as well.......In 1855, Russia and Japan signed the Treaty of Shimoda, which gave Japan ownership of the four southern islands and Russia ownership of everything to the north. Communities developed on three of the islands and by the time World War II began, there were 17,000 Japanese residents. Russia took control of the islands at the end of the war, and by 1949 it had deported all residents to Japan.
Then there is China's conquest of Tibet, North Viet Nam's conquest of South Viet Nam....... many more examples if you just look or know history.... Just saying


Is it illegal for a country to annex land that they won in a defensive war?

Since there is no entity in the world with sovereignty over the nations of the world, the answer is no. The term international law gets thrown around a lot, but in reality there is no such animal. Agreements between countries, called treaties, are like contracts, except the courts of a political entity, nation or US state for example, have power to enforce contracts. No such entity exists internationally. The UN, an organization of sovereign states has no such authority. In reality, neither does the ICC or the World Court. Whatever power they possess is that of individual, powerful nations to support their rulings. If the US doesn't support a resolution or ruling of a so called international court, that ruling is worthless.

So tell me again? What supports your position?

I should have written modern international law. Nineteenth Century examples of acquiring territory by warfare don't really count. And countries that become divided for political reasons and are subsequently reunified don't really count, either. If you don't acknowledge the existence of international law or the validity of its principles as stated and - for the most part - practiced in the 21st Century because there is no international body with the ability to enforce it, isn't that a bit like the attitude of Stalin when he asked, "How many divisions does the pope of Rome have?"

Tahuyaman
09-10-2018, 03:00 PM
I should have written modern international law. Nineteenth Century examples of acquiring territory by warfare don't really count. And countries that become divided for political reasons and are subsequently reunified don't really count, either. If you don't acknowledge the existence of international law or the validity of its principles as stated and - for the most part - practiced in the 21st Century because there is no international body with the ability to enforce it, isn't that a bit like the attitude of Stalin when he asked, "How many divisions does the pope of Rome have?"

There has never been a century where there was a nation called Palestine.

roadmaster
09-10-2018, 03:08 PM
It doesn't matter what you say or show proof. The right uses the Bible to twist it's word. I can put clear scripture and they will ignore it. These people are like the mafia and call me and the Bible antisemtic. The Bible has become hate speech to them while they claim they are for free speech.

The left is the same way, you can prove they are wrong and they will keep repeating lies.

The right ignores scripture that doesn't fit their agenda. When I was young no one that I knew claimed people who didn't believe on the Son were His people. They knew the Israelites of the OT believed the Lamb of God was coming to save this world from it's sin to those that believed. Moses, Abraham, all of them believed this. Now they tell you those that don't believe in Him are His people.

So I don't get along with the right or left like these. Maybe it's because I believe without the Son you don't have the Father, that Abrahams seed is Christ seed and those are given the promises. That will happen during the thousand year reign, REV 20, no walls not that place right now. That when they come against the Lamb and His people. It's when the Gog and Magog happens not before Christ returns with His people.

So I am out of this thread, the right and left spreads lies about the Bible.

Tahuyaman
09-10-2018, 04:24 PM
It doesn't matter what you say or show proof. The right uses the Bible to twist it's word. I can put clear scripture and they will ignore it. These people are like the mafia and call me and the Bible antisemtic. The Bible has become hate speech to them while they claim they are for free speech.

The left is the same way, you can prove they are wrong and they will keep repeating lies.

The right ignores scripture that doesn't fit their agenda. When I was young no one that I knew claimed people who didn't believe on the Son were His people. They knew the Israelites of the OT believed the Lamb of God was coming to save this world from it's sin to those that believed. Moses, Abraham, all of them believed this. Now they tell you those that don't believe in Him are His people.

So I don't get along with the right or left like these. Maybe it's because I believe without the Son you don't have the Father, that Abrahams seed is Christ seed and those are given the promises. That will happen during the thousand year reign, REV 20, no walls not that place right now. That when they come against the Lamb and His people. It's when the Gog and Magog happens not before Christ returns with His people.

So I am out of this thread, the right and left spreads lies about the Bible.


Specifically, where did anyone on the right "twist the words" in the Bible?

Captdon
09-10-2018, 04:53 PM
I'm not referring to Israel, but to the West Bank. Hardliners in Israel often refer to that region as being a de facto part of Israel, but no one else has. And since you mentioned the U.N., that body has passed numerous resolutions condemning the colonization of the West Bank through the building of illegal settlements, but they continue to be built and U.S. taxpayers continue to shell out billions of dollars every year to reward Israel for being a "good ally".

I was referring to Israel. The West Bank can't be kept and the Israeli's know it.

Captdon
09-10-2018, 05:02 PM
I should have written modern international law. Nineteenth Century examples of acquiring territory by warfare don't really count. And countries that become divided for political reasons and are subsequently reunified don't really count, either. If you don't acknowledge the existence of international law or the validity of its principles as stated and - for the most part - practiced in the 21st Century because there is no international body with the ability to enforce it, isn't that a bit like the attitude of Stalin when he asked, "How many divisions does the pope of Rome have?"

Tell the Russians that about the Crimea. Tell that to the Tibetans.

Standing Wolf
09-10-2018, 05:11 PM
Tell the Russians that about the Crimea. Tell that to the Tibetans.

And how does most of the civilized world feel about those "acquisitions"? How do they judge the Russians and Chinese, respectively, for their actions? Positively?

Standing Wolf
09-10-2018, 05:14 PM
I was referring to Israel. The West Bank can/t be kept and the Israeli's know it.

Which Israelis? Probably not the nearly three-quarters of a million of them living in legal and illegal settlements in occupied territory, surely.

roadmaster
09-10-2018, 05:22 PM
I could get 100 11 year olds, believers and non believers and I guarantee they could tell you when the Gog and Magog happens just by the Bible. Who are the people reigning with Him for 1000 years and would laugh at the people who yell, it's about to happen they are coming against Israel. The right mafia lies with their fake preachers and hollyweird movies putting this war at any time now. Lets be afraid and ignore everything over there, they are coming against them. We have dumb downed people here in America and other countries. A lie will never be the truth. We haven't even went through trib, no mark of the beast, not beheaded for His word or witness of Jesus.

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.5 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-20-5/)But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-20-6/)Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-20-7/)And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-20-8/)And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-20-9/)And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Agent Zero
09-10-2018, 07:29 PM
It didnt work Lummys thread and it dont work here!:afro:
Famous last words, R-

Agent Zero
09-10-2018, 07:32 PM
So you ARE a Stormfronter!

I thought so.
No offense, but d'oh! comment of the day.Now he and mummy can go crying to Trinn what a mean place this is. Again.

Agent Zero
09-10-2018, 07:33 PM
No offense, but d'oh! comment of the day.Now he and mummy can go crying to Trinn what a mean place this is. Again.
Meh...I won't fix it. Forget the red hair, it's grey now. And she's older than the mummy.

Captdon
09-10-2018, 07:34 PM
And how does most of the civilized world feel about those "acquisitions"? How do they judge the Russians and Chinese, respectively, for their actions? Positively?

That's not the point. Russia is going to keep the Crimea and China is going to keep Tibet. Neither one cares what the world thinks about it. Soon enough, the sanctions on Russia will be removed since their senseless and useless.

I doubt most Americans know that China has Tibet.

Captdon
09-10-2018, 07:41 PM
You seem to be repeatedly defending the displacement of Palestinian Arabs by referring to them as "nomads". Certainly some fit that description; on the other hand, towns and villages, even cities, have existed in what is now the West Bank and Gaza for millennia. Families that have lived there for many generations have had their farms, orchards and homes destroyed to make way for (frequently illegal) Jewish settlements. Those families would no doubt be puzzled to hear themselves described as "nomads".

That's the price they pay for supporting the wrong people. If the Arabs don't want peace they get whatever they get. It was the Arabs that attacked Israel on Day One. The Arabs are the ones who have to give up the constant attacks.

Captdon
09-10-2018, 07:51 PM
I could get 100 11 year olds, believers and non believers and I guarantee they could tell you when the Gog and Magog happens just by the Bible. Who are the people reigning with Him for 1000 years and would laugh at the people who yell, it's about to happen they are coming against Israel. The right mafia lies with their fake preachers and hollyweird movies putting this war at any time now. Lets be afraid and ignore everything over there, they are coming against them. We have dumb downed people here in America and other countries. A lie will never be the truth. We haven't even went through trib, no mark of the beast, not beheaded for His word or witness of Jesus.

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.5 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-20-5/)But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-20-6/)Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-20-7/)And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-20-8/)And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-20-9/)And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

No one knows what Revelation means. The Catholic church, who should have a definition, try to avoid it because it's too far out of the NT.

Every generation thinks it's about to happen. Every generation dies off without anything happening.

I think it's a mystic story that got mixed in with Scripture and no one knew quite what to do with it.

Personally, I find it to be ridiculous. I only believe it because it right there at the end. I don't know what I believe but there it is.

Cannons Front
09-10-2018, 08:42 PM
I should have written modern international law. Nineteenth Century examples of acquiring territory by warfare don't really count. And countries that become divided for political reasons and are subsequently reunified don't really count, either. If you don't acknowledge the existence of international law or the validity of its principles as stated and - for the most part - practiced in the 21st Century because there is no international body with the ability to enforce it, isn't that a bit like the attitude of Stalin when he asked, "How many divisions does the pope of Rome have?"
China and Vietnam were both in the 20th century, modern history, so was the Japanese islands by the Russians. You can try to ignore Vietnam all you want it was a sovereign internationally recognized country that was invaded and dissolved. Heck we have to go back to 1893 but Hawaii proves you wrong. By the way Hawaii is the only 19th century event.
What has the international court or other nations done about Crimea? NOTHING, they have no teeth, the UN does not either. The majority of the nations in the world have no teeth there is no such thing as international law, sorry it only applies to people that let it/

roadmaster
09-10-2018, 08:51 PM
No one knows what Revelation means. The Catholic church, who should have a definition, try to avoid it because it's too far out of the NT.

Every generation thinks it's about to happen. Every generation dies off without anything happening.

I think it's a mystic story that got mixed in with Scripture and no one knew quite what to do with it.

Personally, I find it to be ridiculous. I only believe it because it right there at the end. I don't know what I believe but there it is.
It's very important that His people read Revelation because He revels things He didn't in the OT. 1-11 chapters are in order in 12 He tells the story over again.

Standing Wolf
09-10-2018, 11:14 PM
No one knows what Revelation means. The Catholic church, who should have a definition, try to avoid it because it's too far out of the NT.

Every generation thinks it's about to happen. Every generation dies off without anything happening.

I think it's a mystic story that got mixed in with Scripture and no one knew quite what to do with it.

Personally, I find it to be ridiculous. I only believe it because it right there at the end. I don't know what I believe but there it is.

Virtually the only Christian churches that teach dispensational pre-millennialism are those evangelical denominations and sects that don't require a great deal of education for their clergy and that seek to make themselves "relevant" by latching onto and promoting books like Tim LaHaye's 'Left Behind' series - forty years ago it was Hal Lindsey and 'The Late Great Planet Earth' - and t.v. preachers, of course. Catholics, the mainstream Protestant denominations, even the Southern Baptists mostly tend toward an eschatology of amillennialism. In other words, the events described in the book of Revelations had, either mostly or entirely, occurred during the lifetime of the author, and Christ's kingdom on Earth is here and now.

Peter1469
09-10-2018, 11:58 PM
You seem to be repeatedly defending the displacement of Palestinian Arabs by referring to them as "nomads". Certainly some fit that description; on the other hand, towns and villages, even cities, have existed in what is now the West Bank and Gaza for millennia. Families that have lived there for many generations have had their farms, orchards and homes destroyed to make way for (frequently illegal) Jewish settlements. Those families would no doubt be puzzled to hear themselves described as "nomads".
Yes, there is no Palestinian nation. You seem to wish that there was.

Peter1469
09-11-2018, 12:03 AM
Incorrect. International law strictly prohibits the colonization, annexation or long-term occupation of land "acquired" through warfare. Israel has occupied the West Bank and kept its people subjugated and half-starved for more than half a century. The U.S. and the West generally would never tolerate such a situation for even a fraction of that time if the perpetrator were not Israel.

If Israels neighbors did not publicly state that Israel should be destroyed perhaps things would be different. That pretty much sums it up.

Dr. Who
09-11-2018, 12:14 AM
Yes, there is no Palestinian nation. You seem to wish that there was.

So absent a nation to protect natural rights, none exist.

stjames1_53
09-11-2018, 04:43 AM
So absent a nation to protect natural rights, none exist.

define "nation"

Dr. Who
09-11-2018, 05:17 PM
define "nation"

A community of people inhabiting a defined territory and organized under an independent government; a sovereign political state.

Captdon
09-11-2018, 05:23 PM
It's very important that His people read Revelation because He revels things He didn't in the OT. 1-11 chapters are in order in 12 He tells the story over again.

Most people should not read it. No one knows what it means to start with. It has fooled every generation since it was written. That makes no sense. So, I don't bother with it since no one can explain it.

You can do with it as you want but I can't get anything from it. If you can, good for you.

roadmaster
09-11-2018, 05:26 PM
Most people should not read it. No one knows what it means to start with. It has fooled every generation since it was written. That makes no sense. So, I don't bother with it since no one can explain it.

You can do with it as you want but I can't get anything from it. If you can, good for you.
I have no problem understanding it. He also says Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy.

Captdon
09-11-2018, 05:29 PM
Virtually the only Christian churches that teach dispensational pre-millennialism are those evangelical denominations and sects that don't require a great deal of education for their clergy and that seek to make themselves "relevant" by latching onto and promoting books like Tim LaHaye's 'Left Behind' series - forty years ago it was Hal Lindsey and 'The Late Great Planet Earth' - and t.v. preachers, of course. Catholics, the mainstream Protestant denominations, even the Southern Baptists mostly tend toward an eschatology of amillennialism. In other words, the events described in the book of Revelations had, either mostly or entirely, occurred during the lifetime of the author, and Christ's kingdom on Earth is here and now.

That's as good as anything else I been told. There doesn't seem to be any "futuristic" theme to it. I still don't know what John was seeing but he doesn't seem to be able to describe it in words the people then, or today, can understand.

As a Catholic we call it the Apocalypse. I don't remember ever hearing anything about it growing up. it seems to have just been there and not talked about.

Captdon
09-11-2018, 05:31 PM
So absent a nation to protect natural rights, none exist.

Absent a nation none can be protected.

Standing Wolf
09-11-2018, 05:55 PM
That's as good as anything else I been told. There doesn't seem to be any "futuristic" theme to it. I still don't know what John was seeing but he doesn't seem to be able to describe it in words the people then, or today, can understand.

As a Catholic we call it the Apocalypse. I don't remember ever hearing anything about it growing up. it seems to have just been there and not talked about.

I think part of the problem might be with describing the book as "prophetic". That word, in modern usage, has come to denote the telling of future events...whereas, in the past it was often used to describe writings that were simply supposed to be revelations of God's will. Some of the Old Testament prophets weren't prognosticating - they were just chewing people out for various reasons on God's behalf.

Dr. Who
09-11-2018, 06:27 PM
Absent a nation none can be protected.
If the laws of all nations are predicated on the notion of natural rights and international law is equally predicated on the notion of natural rights, then disregarding the natural rights of people who have been living in organic but historical communities for generations should be protected even absent the protection of a governmental body. There were native Palestinians, Arab, Jew and Christian before the creation of the modern state of Israel. They had properties that their families worked for literally hundreds of years. They were expropriated. The nomadic peoples of the region were comparable to the nomadic tribes of N. America. They did not wander the entire middle east, but a specific region currently referred to as Palestine. While it is true that they had no national identity as Palestinians, they like the various tribes of N. America had their specific territories that they inhabited. Their rights to the lands that they have inhabited for millennia are no less worthy because they didn't build permanent structures and where they did, those structures were razed into oblivion. The world has determined that every square inhabitable inch of the planet must be claimed by a government. In doing so the native people of the region cannot be reduced to illegal alien status in their own lands over a religious notion that God promised a singular religious group dominion over a geographical location that they deserted two thousand years ago, such that the historical denizens of that land are reduced to statelessness and homelessness.

Israel cannot continue to extend an invitation to repatriate every Jew on the planet at the expense of those who never left the region for more hospitable lands, expanding their borders like an elastic waistband on Thanksgiving. It simply adds insult to the injury of the original colonialism of the British who took what wasn't theirs by force and then gave away what didn't belong to them to begin with when it become more trouble than it was worth to maintain at a time, when there was a body of law (much of it developed in their own country) based on natural rights that they utterly ignored out of pure self-interest.

Cannons Front
09-11-2018, 07:40 PM
A community of people inhabiting a defined territory and organized under an independent government; a sovereign political state.

Well then by your own definition Palestine has not existed as it has never been organized under an independent Govt

Tahuyaman
09-11-2018, 07:55 PM
A community of people inhabiting a defined territory and organized under an independent government; a sovereign political state.

of which has never existed nor exists today as a nation called Palastine.

Tahuyaman
09-11-2018, 08:01 PM
So absent a nation to protect natural rights, none exist. You are born with natural rights. How can you protect them against those who want to deprive you of those rights?

Dr. Who
09-11-2018, 08:10 PM
Well then by your own definition Palestine has not existed as it has never been organized under an independent Govt
If you read back, I acknowledged that. What I suggested is absent a nation to protect natural rights, none exist. It's one of those, "if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" arguments. If natural rights only really exist in the context of recognition by a state, then they don't really exist other than as a philosophical notion or humanistic indulgence. If they really exist, they should be recognized by all people, whether they are defended by a state or not. We have built our entire body of laws (worldwide) principally on the acceptance of natural rights as not just a philosophical notion, but as a fundamental truth.

Dr. Who
09-11-2018, 08:15 PM
You are born with natural rights. How can you protect them against those who want to deprive you of those rights?
Unless you are more powerful than your attackers, you cannot. However, we are not discussing the activities of criminals, we are discussing the behavior of nations of laws who recognize the natural rights of their own citizens and those of their allies, but pretend that those same rights do not extend to people whose natural rights are simply inconvenient.

Dr. Who
09-11-2018, 08:16 PM
of which has never existed nor exists today as a nation called Palastine.
Read on. I covered that.

zachroidott
09-11-2018, 08:33 PM
Heres a darling of the left baring her racist muslim bottom


Far-left Islamic activist Linda Sarsour made strong anti-Semitic remarks during a speech this month at the annual Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) convention in Houston, Texas — calling for the dehumanization of Israelis.

The Algemeiner reported (https://www.algemeiner.com/2018/09/04/isna-convention-uses-shame-fear-to-stir-radical-agenda/) that Sarsour shamed Muslims for not being more politically active and said that if Muslims are not promoting the Palestinian cause then they are part of the problem, saying, "You as an American Muslim are complicit in the occupation of Palestinians, in the murder of Palestinian protesters."


"So when we start debating in the Muslim community about Palestine, it tells me a lot about you and about the type of faith that you have in your heart," Sarsour continued. "If you’re on the side of the oppressor, or you’re defending the oppressor, or you’re actually trying to humanize the oppressor, then that’s a problem sisters and brothers, and we got to be able to say: 'That is not the position of the Muslim American community.'"


Sarsour, who has a long history of anti-Semitism (https://forward.com/opinion/396003/linda-sarsour-has-been-a-farrakhan-fan-for-years/), received a ringing endorsement from Democratic socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez this week after Sarsour was arrested for disrupting Judge Brett Kavanaugh's Supreme Court confirmation hearing.


https://www.dailywire.com/news/35631/linda-sarsour-calls-dehumanization-jews-report-ryan-saavedra

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zachroidott
09-11-2018, 08:36 PM
Absent a nation none can be protected.

That's why I slave trade Gypsies!

zachroidott
09-11-2018, 08:39 PM
The PA and the Gaza Strip have both organized under independent governments. Why do so many Americans insist upon getting spit roasted by the Likud and the House of Saad*&%?

Peter1469
09-11-2018, 08:44 PM
That's why I slave trade Gypsies!

Have you been around Gypsies? They would gut you in a heart beat.

zachroidott
09-11-2018, 08:45 PM
Yes, there is no Palestinian nation. You seem to wish that there was.
Why shouldn't there be?

zachroidott
09-11-2018, 08:46 PM
Have you been around Gypsies? They would gut you in a heart beat.
More like my wallet with their brats.

zachroidott
09-11-2018, 08:47 PM
Poor, poor Israel. It's so tough for them.

hanger4
09-11-2018, 08:59 PM
Why shouldn't there be?The, so called Palestinians, have been offered a two state solution 12 times and rejected all.

Peter1469
09-11-2018, 09:10 PM
Why shouldn't there be?
If they want a Palestine let them seize the land and create it.

Peter1469
09-11-2018, 09:11 PM
More like my wallet with their brats.

That too.

Tahuyaman
09-11-2018, 09:23 PM
Unless you are more powerful than your attackers, you cannot. However, we are not discussing the activities of criminals, we are discussing the behavior of nations of laws who recognize the natural rights of their own citizens and those of their allies, but pretend that those same rights do not extend to people whose natural rights are simply inconvenient.
Then I guess you’d be at the mercy of others.

Dr. Who
09-11-2018, 09:41 PM
Then I guess you’d be at the mercy of others.

Do you really think that a few thousand unarmed and very widely disbursed people could thwart the intentions of a well-armed and dedicated army? These people were overtaken before they even knew what was happening but were then lulled into a false sense of security under the British. Suddenly they were sold out and were being evicted at gunpoint. Made into refugees in their own homeland. I've heard first-hand accounts and many of the people who became refugees are Palestinian Jews. Unfortunately for them, they look like the Palestinian Arabs - not European. Their experience was pretty much the same as the aboriginal people of N. America, but without the Christian guilt.

Peter1469
09-11-2018, 09:51 PM
Do you really think that a few thousand unarmed and very widely disbursed people could thwart the intentions of a well-armed and dedicated army? These people were overtaken before they even knew what was happening but were then lulled into a false sense of security under the British. Suddenly they were sold out and were being evicted at gunpoint. Made into refugees in their own homeland. I've heard first-hand accounts and many of the people who became refugees are Palestinian Jews. Unfortunately for them, they look like the Palestinian Arabs - not European. Their experience was pretty much the same as the aboriginal people of N. America, but without the Christian guilt.

They are not unarmed. They have a very large number of missiles as well as firearms. And bomb making material.

Israel should be done with them and expel them into Arab lands.

Tahuyaman
09-11-2018, 09:51 PM
Do you really think that a few thousand unarmed and very widely disbursed people could thwart the intentions of a well-armed and dedicated army? These people were overtaken before they even knew what was happening but were then lulled into a false sense of security under the British. Suddenly they were sold out and were being evicted at gunpoint. Made into refugees in their own homeland. I've heard first-hand accounts and many of the people who became refugees are Palestinian Jews. Unfortunately for them, they look like the Palestinian Arabs - not European. Their experience was pretty much the same as the aboriginal people of N. America, but without the Christian guilt.

The Palestinians could live in peace with Israel if they chose to. Besides, they have never had a homeland. The rest of the Middle Eastern nation’s rejected these people. Is history a foreign concept to you?

Dr. Who
09-11-2018, 10:06 PM
They are not unarmed. They have a very large number of missiles as well as firearms. And bomb making material.

Israel should be done with them and expel them into Arab lands.
That is now. You have entire generations of stateless people who feel they have nothing to lose. They've been living in refugee camps for their entire lives. Where were their natural rights when Israel became a nation?

Mister D
09-11-2018, 10:12 PM
That is now. You have entire generations of stateless people who feel they have nothing to lose. They've been living in refugee camps for their entire lives. Where were their natural rights when Israel became a nation?

If they had no rights what is the basis of your outrage?

Dr. Who
09-11-2018, 10:24 PM
The Palestinians could live in peace with Israel if they chose to. Besides, they have never had a homeland. The rest of the Middle Eastern nation’s rejected these people. Is history a foreign concept to you?

They absolutely had a homeland, they just didn't have a state. They weren't organized. TBH they are examples of historical libertarian societies. However, they didn't fit the acceptable mold, either from a religious perspective or an ethnic perspective. They were neither European, nor organized with a central government, an army and weapons. They had no rights - they were not even treated like people. At this point, all they have is hate to keep them warm at night. I don't blame them. The first world nations that have perpetrated and perpetuated this crime are a complete hypocrisy that have no claim to virtue and enlightenment. They are purely opportunistic and amoral entities licking each other's boots in order to preserve their own self-serving agendas.

Dr. Who
09-11-2018, 10:39 PM
If they had no rights what is the basis of your outrage?
Since the answer to every issue that many on this forum don't like is the issue of natural rights, I would like to see those same people apply their philosophy to the rights of people who have been truly treated like non-entities. What they have suffered is not being forced to be paid to sell a cake to people and whose personal sensibilities were discomfited, but instead were rendered absolutely stateless and without any recognized rights whatsoever. They might as well be people from another planet and yet we criticize them for not being cooperative and unwilling to forgive and forget.

zachroidott
09-11-2018, 10:41 PM
How much welfare are we giving Israel this time around? 38 billion?

zachroidott
09-11-2018, 10:43 PM
70 years a nation, and still needs hand outs.

roadmaster
09-11-2018, 10:57 PM
Since the answer to every issue that many on this forum don't like is the issue of natural rights, I would like to see those same people apply their philosophy to the rights of people who have been truly treated like non-entities. What they have suffered is not being forced to be paid to sell a cake to people and whose personal sensibilities were discomfited, but instead were rendered absolutely stateless and without any recognized rights whatsoever. They might as well be people from another planet and yet we criticize them for not being cooperative and unwilling to forgive and forget.
It's about the same thing South Africa wants and will probably do to white farmers. In Israel families of non Jewish on the West Bank can't hand down their land to their children the government gets it. If the government wants their land they get no compensation even if they have deeds they won't recognize them.
We expect the SA to fight this and I see no reason why the non Jewish wouldn't also. I have Christian friends from there and they took their families land and have to live in apartments.

So if a person is against what SA is doing then they should be against this also.

Dr. Who
09-11-2018, 11:07 PM
It's about the same thing South Africa wants and will probably do to white farmers. In Israel families of non Jewish on the West Bank can't hand down their land to their children the government gets it. If the government wants their land they get no compensation even if they have deeds they won't recognize them.
We expect the SA to fight this and I see no reason why the non Jewish wouldn't also. I have Christian friends from there and they took their families land and have to live in apartments.

So if a person is against what SA is doing then they should be against this also.
Yes, apartheid is alive and well in Israel. However, if you say that, you are labelled as antisemitic. The hate for white farmers in SA is a result of apartheid. Karma is a funny thing isn't it? People are funny. Treat someone well and they will remember that kindness for a lifetime. Treat someone badly and they will teach their offspring to hate you and your's for several lifetimes.

roadmaster
09-11-2018, 11:14 PM
Yes, apartheid is alive and well in Israel. However, if you say that, you are labelled as antisemitic. The hate for white farmers in SA is a result of apartheid. Karma is a funny thing isn't it? People are funny. Treat someone well and they will remember that kindness for a lifetime. Treat someone badly and they will teach their offspring to hate you and your's for several lifetimes.
I have never cared what people call me. I listen in if I am there when they Skype with their families still there. They don't have guns like the whites in SA to defend their life and home. We take things for granted here. If you own your house you can will it to your children and the government can't just take your house without compensation as long as you didn't commit a big crime here.

Dr. Who
09-11-2018, 11:26 PM
I have never cared what people call me. I listen in if I am there when they Skype with their families still there. They don't have guns like the whites in SA to defend their life and home. We take things for granted here. If you own your house you can will it to your children and the government can't just take your house without compensation as long as you didn't commit a big crime here.
That's my issue with all of the hypocrisy. The treatment of Palestinians would actually be against the law in America, but as long as it's happening in Israel/Palestine, it's all good because Israel is America's pet spy in the ME. So they can be as vicious as a third world nation but otherwise look and act like a first world nation. America has vetoed sanctions against Israel literally hundreds of times. As long as they don't nuke the Palestinians, they are golden.

The Xl
09-11-2018, 11:27 PM
of which has never existed nor exists today as a nation called Palastine.

Just because the West doesn't acknowledge a group of people doesn't mean they don't exist. Fact is, the West, the UN, whatever, displaced a bunch of natives with their partition plan, gave the majority of the land to the Jews, of course the natives were going to defend themselves. The Jews never had a right to the land, they didn't take it on their own, they used politicians and the resources of native non Jewish Westerners to get what they wanted. What's done is done, but it's contemptible. And the repercussions are still felt to this day. Israel is more trouble than they're worth.

The Xl
09-11-2018, 11:28 PM
How much welfare are we giving Israel this time around? 38 billion?

Too much.

roadmaster
09-11-2018, 11:36 PM
That's my issue with all of the hypocrisy. The treatment of Palestinians would actually be against the law in America, but as long as it's happening in Israel/Palestine, it's all good because Israel is America's pet spy in the ME. So they can be as vicious as a third world nation but otherwise look and act like a first world nation. America has vetoed sanctions against Israel literally hundreds of times. As long as they don't nuke the Palestinians, they are golden.

I believe the white SA have a right to defend their land and homes just as I believe the Palestines have that right also. If they have deeds they have no right to take it by force. If I defend the whites in SA I am called a white supremacist, if I defend the Palestines, anti semtic. You know I just don't care, wrong is wrong.

Dr. Who
09-11-2018, 11:47 PM
I believe the white SA have a right to defend their land and homes just as I believe the Palestines have that right also. If they have deeds they have no right to take it by force. If I defend the whites in SA I am called a white supremacist, if I defend the Palestines, anti semtic. You know I just don't care, wrong is wrong.
I have some sympathy for the white farmers in SA. If they stayed, they are probably not the Afrikaaners that supported apartheid, otherwise they would have run for their lives when the government changed. Sadly not enough time has passed before the black people in SA can view those farmers as anything other than remnants of an oppressive past. Populism is now the rule, not reason.

Tahuyaman
09-11-2018, 11:51 PM
Just because the West doesn't acknowledge a group of people doesn't mean they don't exist. Fact is, the West, the UN, whatever, displaced a bunch of natives with their partition plan, gave the majority of the land to the Jews, of course the natives were going to defend themselves. The Jews never had a right to the land, they didn't take it on their own, they used politicians and the resources of native non Jewish Westerners to get what they wanted. What's done is done, but it's contemptible. And the repercussions are still felt to this day. Israel is more trouble than they're worth.

A nation called Palestine does not exist today, nor has it ever existed at any time in human history.

Tahuyaman
09-11-2018, 11:52 PM
They absolutely had a homeland, they just didn't have a state. They weren't organized. TBH they are examples of historical libertarian societies. However, they didn't fit the acceptable mold, either from a religious perspective or an ethnic perspective. They were neither European, nor organized with a central government, an army and weapons. They had no rights - they were not even treated like people. At this point, all they have is hate to keep them warm at night. I don't blame them. The first world nations that have perpetrated and perpetuated this crime are a complete hypocrisy that have no claim to virtue and enlightenment. They are purely opportunistic and amoral entities licking each other's boots in order to preserve their own self-serving agendas.

Wrong. Palestinians have never had a homeland. Please get a grip on history.

roadmaster
09-11-2018, 11:56 PM
A nation called Palestine does not exist today, nor has it ever existed at any time in human history. So you are saying Christian families have never existed there.

Dr. Who
09-12-2018, 12:07 AM
wrong.

Succinct but utterly insubstantial.

Tahuyaman
09-12-2018, 12:28 AM
So you are saying Christian families have never existed there.

I am saying that a nation called Palestine does not exist and never has existed throughout human history. Did that confuse you?

Tahuyaman
09-12-2018, 12:28 AM
Succinct but utterly insubstantial.
Wrong.

roadmaster
09-12-2018, 12:30 AM
I am saying that a nation called Palestine does not exist and never has existed throughout human history. Did that confuse you?
But the people did.

Tahuyaman
09-12-2018, 12:31 AM
But the people did.


Can you point to any time throughout human history there has been a nation called Palestine?

roadmaster
09-12-2018, 12:34 AM
Can you point to any time throughout human history there has been a nation called Palestine? Can you tell me when Christians haven't lived there. Just because you call them Palestine's you think they have no right to be there.

Tahuyaman
09-12-2018, 12:37 AM
If a transient camps in my front yard on the assumption that his ancestors once might have lived on my property, I'd tell him...too bad, get the eff out of here, now.

Tahuyaman
09-12-2018, 12:41 AM
Can you tell me when Christians haven't lived there. Just because you call them Palestine's you think they have no right to be there.


What the eff are you talking about? You are not making a logical argument. Sheesh.


Sometimes all you can do is shake your head.

roadmaster
09-12-2018, 12:51 AM
Yes Christians have been there many years and many of those make shift houses are Jewish setting on their land in camps with guns.Then they will take over the water supply so they have to walk miles to even get water. A lot of us know what they are doing over there and if they fight back, they are terrorist. Then the government will look at anyone kin to them and take their land too and lock up cousins and kin.

They lying media they lie about us here calling us Nazis and white supremacist and they lie about what is going on there. Got rid of the blacks that call themselves Jews still in camps outside the area? They want to be a Jewish state but don't want the blacks who are Jewish.

The Xl
09-12-2018, 01:15 AM
A nation called Palestine does not exist today, nor has it ever existed at any time in human history.

People lived in that land and were displaced. Call it what you wish, it doesn't change that fact.

The Xl
09-12-2018, 01:17 AM
Can you point to any time throughout human history there has been a nation called Palestine?

You seem pretty hung up on meaningless semantics. Probably because you have no other angle to attack from.

roadmaster
09-12-2018, 01:25 AM
People lived in that land and were displaced. Call it what you wish, it doesn't change that fact. You know what really gets me. Now I am a Christian and there is a couple had to move to the US to get married from Israel. They with help from family opened up a small eatery 5 minutes from me. Christians would come in and just hug them when they found out where they were from. She just thought Christians here we some of the nicest people. That is until a couple of week ago when they found out they were Christians or Palestine's. Two couples stopped coming in and they get no more hugs. They reject their own brothers and sisters in Christ.

Cannons Front
09-12-2018, 05:53 AM
Do you really think that a few thousand unarmed and very widely disbursed people could thwart the intentions of a well-armed and dedicated army? These people were overtaken before they even knew what was happening but were then lulled into a false sense of security under the British. Suddenly they were sold out and were being evicted at gunpoint. Made into refugees in their own homeland. I've heard first-hand accounts and many of the people who became refugees are Palestinian Jews. Unfortunately for them, they look like the Palestinian Arabs - not European. Their experience was pretty much the same as the aboriginal people of N. America, but without the Christian guilt.

In 1948 the Jews did exactly that, they were out numbered and out gunned.

hanger4
09-12-2018, 05:54 AM
Wrong. Palestinians have never had a homeland. Please get a grip on history.March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. ....................... *The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism.For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.* ........................ *Jordan rule over the West Bank 1948 to 1967. Under Jordanian rule, there were no demands for a "Palestinian" state in the West Bank.* .................................. *Egypt rule over Gaza 1948 to 1967. Under Egyptian rule, there were no demands for a "Palestinian" state in Gaza.* ................... Wonder why ??

Peter1469
09-12-2018, 07:32 AM
That is now. You have entire generations of stateless people who feel they have nothing to lose. They've been living in refugee camps for their entire lives. Where were their natural rights when Israel became a nation?
The Arab states could absorb them easily. Jews were expelled from Arab lands. They were not compensated.

If the Palestinians want a state let them win it in battle.

Tahuyaman
09-12-2018, 09:03 AM
You seem pretty hung up on meaningless semantics. Probably because you have no other angle to attack from.


No, I'm hung up on the facts Facts aren't meaningless semantics.

Tahuyaman
09-12-2018, 09:04 AM
People lived in that land and were displaced. Call it what you wish, it doesn't change that fact.

They were nomads. They weren't displaced.

Captdon
09-12-2018, 01:16 PM
Do you really think that a few thousand unarmed and very widely disbursed people could thwart the intentions of a well-armed and dedicated army? These people were overtaken before they even knew what was happening but were then lulled into a false sense of security under the British. Suddenly they were sold out and were being evicted at gunpoint. Made into refugees in their own homeland. I've heard first-hand accounts and many of the people who became refugees are Palestinian Jews. Unfortunately for them, they look like the Palestinian Arabs - not European. Their experience was pretty much the same as the aboriginal people of N. America, but without the Christian guilt.

The day that Israel was granted statehood they were attacked by 5 Arab nations. The Arabs lost. Consider that one.

Israel didn't force anyone out. The Arab nations told the people to leave. That's on them.

No Jew is refused entry and citizenship.

Wow, what a post.

Captdon
09-12-2018, 01:19 PM
Since the answer to every issue that many on this forum don't like is the issue of natural rights, I would like to see those same people apply their philosophy to the rights of people who have been truly treated like non-entities. What they have suffered is not being forced to be paid to sell a cake to people and whose personal sensibilities were discomfited, but instead were rendered absolutely stateless and without any recognized rights whatsoever. They might as well be people from another planet and yet we criticize them for not being cooperative and unwilling to forgive and forget.

They voluntarily left Israel. No one forced them out. It's their fault. there is nothing to forgive and forget. they did it to themselves.

If you have proof of anything else show it.

Captdon
09-12-2018, 01:21 PM
People lived in that land and were displaced. Call it what you wish, it doesn't change that fact.

They left because the Arab nations told them yo. They weren't displaced.

Captdon
09-12-2018, 01:22 PM
I am saying that a nation called Palestine does not exist and never has existed throughout human history. Did that confuse you?

History confuses a lot of people. They hear something but never check it. In this day and age that's goofy.

Captdon
09-12-2018, 01:23 PM
So you are saying Christian families have never existed there.

We aren't talking about them. Senseless post.

Captdon
09-12-2018, 01:26 PM
You seem pretty hung up on meaningless semantics. Probably because you have no other angle to attack from.

What attack? There has never been a Palestine so there is no Palestine to return to. How hard it that?

Captdon
09-12-2018, 01:27 PM
You know what really gets me. Now I am a Christian and there is a couple had to move to the US to get married from Israel. They with help from family opened up a small eatery 5 minutes from me. Christians would come in and just hug them when they found out where they were from. She just thought Christians here we some of the nicest people. That is until a couple of week ago when they found out they were Christians or Palestine's. Two couples stopped coming in and they get no more hugs. They reject their own brothers and sisters in Christ.

What is this about? You're talking to yourself. Poorly.

Peter1469
09-12-2018, 01:39 PM
Win a war if you want land.

Tahuyaman
09-12-2018, 02:29 PM
History confuses a lot of people. They hear something but never check it. In this day and age that's goofy.


They base their heir views on an inaccurate recollection of history, then accuse others on being "hung up on meaninless semantics" when one tries to force feed facts into the discussion.


I'm guessing that to some, facts are indeed meaningless semantics.

Tahuyaman
09-12-2018, 02:31 PM
We aren't talking about them. Senseless post.

I have no idea why he inserted the Christian thing into this. It made no sense.

Tahuyaman
09-12-2018, 02:34 PM
They voluntarily left Israel. No one forced them out. It's their fault. there is nothing to forgive and forget. they did it to themselves.

If you have proof of anything else show it.


They are free to live peacefully in Israel if they choose. Some are even elected officials in Israel's government.

Tahuyaman
09-12-2018, 02:37 PM
The Arab states could absorb them easily...

They rejected these people a long long time ago.

Tahuyaman
09-12-2018, 02:49 PM
The day that Israel was granted statehood they were attacked by 5 Arab nations. The Arabs lost. Consider that one.

Israel didn't force anyone out. The Arab nations told the people to leave. That's on them.

No Jew is refused entry and citizenship.

Wow, what a post.


There is no religious test in order to live in Israel. There is no ethnic or racial test either.

Dr. Who
09-12-2018, 04:34 PM
In 1948 the Jews did exactly that, they were out numbered and out gunned.
At the time, they were considered terrorists by the British.

Captdon
09-12-2018, 05:06 PM
At the time, they were considered terrorists by the British.

At that time the British were pulling out. It was years before that they were called terrorists. They were recognized by the British.

All the blame for whatever these people are they are not Palestinians and Israel has nothing to do with it.

jet57
09-15-2018, 10:17 AM
No offense, but d'oh! comment of the day.Now he and mummy can go crying to Trinn what a mean place this is. Again.
Trinn's p[lace is a toilet bowl; she can have those guys.