Obama Goes on Attack, But Arguments Fall Flat Against Trump Successes

[Wehrwolfen]

Obama Goes on Attack, But Arguments Fall Flat Against Trump Successes


https://townhall.com/columnists/calthomas/2018/09/11/obama-goes-on-attack-but-arguments-fall-flat-against-trump-successes-n2517613 (https://townhall.com/columnists/calthomas/2018/09/11/obama-goes-on-attack-but-arguments-fall-flat-against-trump-successes-n2517613‎Cal)
Cal Thomas -- He's back! President Obama has emerged from his supposed cloistered life to attack President Trump. Obama broke with a tradition apparently only modern Republican ex-presidents follow, which is not to speak ill of your successor.
Obama, who reportedly has been running his "Organizing for America" operation, along with his White House aide Valerie Jarrett from his expensive home in a Washington neighborhood, spoke to a group of University of Illinois students last Friday, claiming it was his policies, not those of President Trump, that have produced the current economic boom...."When you hear how great the economy's doing right now, let's just remember when this recovery started," Obama said....
The president did something last week I have long urged him to do. Statistics are dry. Show people who have jobs they couldn't find during the Obama years... In a speech in North Dakota, the president brought a man onstage who thanked him for his economic policies that allowed the man to go back to work.Here's how The Daily Caller reported the story: "The man told a story about the coal industry under Obama and how 'the coal industry absolutely had the boot of government on its throat.'.
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Obama is probably too dishonest to acknowledge the fact that Americans gave him a great opportunity when they elected him president. Obama, as the first black president, could have been the great healer, he could have defused racial tensions by his words and actions, he could have inspired generations of blacks, shown them that the American dream was still attainable. Instead he set America and the world on fire, now this shameless pretender presumes to lecture Americans.
Yes folks there is a crazy town, it's the place where the chaotic and nation destroying left-wing, socialist agenda resides and this Mocha Messiah is its mayor.
Obama pitted Community against Community, Race against Race, Brother against Brother in the great race to get the highest victim status in society. His rhetoric of "Fundamental Transformation of America" nearly made America into a caricature of the many "Banana Republics" This Mocha would be Messiah helped create #OWS, #BLM and Fascists like #Antifa as offspring's of his sick ideology.

Apparently despite all the Congressional testimony and his vile plot to subvert a Presidential election and prevent a duly elected President from taking office, Obama is convinced nothing will ultimately happen. After all despite all the evidence, there have been no indictments, arrests or trials of his loyal henchmen. He now feels confident that he can emerge and once again spew out his vile, hateful arrogance in his continued attacks to bring America to it's knees..

[MMC]

:wink:


Obama, the Great Divider when in office, lacks the credibility to lecture America (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/obama-the-great-divider-when-in-office-lacks-the-credibility-to-lecture-america)

[Tahuyaman]

Going out on the campaign trail and trying to generate support for his party's candidates is fine with me.

It is quite different when he uses this opportunity to blast the current president personally but then try to take credit for our recent successes on the economic and jobs fronts. He's just demonstrating that he can't handle seeing his policy ideas being discredited more and more every day.

[ripmeister]

Going out on the campaign trail and trying to generate support for his party's candidates is fine with me.

It is quite different when he uses this opportunity to blast the current president personally but then try to take credit for our recent successes on the economic and jobs fronts. He's just demonstrating that he can't handle seeing his policy ideas being discredited more and more every day.
You're chastising the former president for personal attacks?

[ripmeister]

Obama Goes on Attack, But Arguments Fall Flat Against Trump Successes


https://townhall.com/columnists/calthomas/2018/09/11/obama-goes-on-attack-but-arguments-fall-flat-against-trump-successes-n2517613 (https://townhall.com/columnists/calthomas/2018/09/11/obama-goes-on-attack-but-arguments-fall-flat-against-trump-successes-n2517613‎Cal)
Cal Thomas -- He's back! President Obama has emerged from his supposed cloistered life to attack President Trump. Obama broke with a tradition apparently only modern Republican ex-presidents follow, which is not to speak ill of your successor.
Obama, who reportedly has been running his "Organizing for America" operation, along with his White House aide Valerie Jarrett from his expensive home in a Washington neighborhood, spoke to a group of University of Illinois students last Friday, claiming it was his policies, not those of President Trump, that have produced the current economic boom...."When you hear how great the economy's doing right now, let's just remember when this recovery started," Obama said....
The president did something last week I have long urged him to do. Statistics are dry. Show people who have jobs they couldn't find during the Obama years... In a speech in North Dakota, the president brought a man onstage who thanked him for his economic policies that allowed the man to go back to work.Here's how The Daily Caller reported the story: "The man told a story about the coal industry under Obama and how 'the coal industry absolutely had the boot of government on its throat.'.
.



~~~~~~
Obama is probably too dishonest to acknowledge the fact that Americans gave him a great opportunity when they elected him president. Obama, as the first black president, could have been the great healer, he could have defused racial tensions by his words and actions, he could have inspired generations of blacks, shown them that the American dream was still attainable. Instead he set America and the world on fire, now this shameless pretender presumes to lecture Americans.
Yes folks there is a crazy town, it's the place where the chaotic and nation destroying left-wing, socialist agenda resides and this Mocha Messiah is its mayor.
Obama pitted Community against Community, Race against Race, Brother against Brother in the great race to get the highest victim status in society. His rhetoric of "Fundamental Transformation of America" nearly made America into a caricature of the many "Banana Republics" This Mocha would be Messiah helped create #OWS, #BLM and Fascists like #Antifa as offspring's of his sick ideology.

Apparently despite all the Congressional testimony and his vile plot to subvert a Presidential election and prevent a duly elected President from taking office, Obama is convinced nothing will ultimately happen. After all despite all the evidence, there have been no indictments, arrests or trials of his loyal henchmen. He now feels confident that he can emerge and once again spew out his vile, hateful arrogance in his continued attacks to bring America to it's knees..




Good lord. I do take solace though in knowing that Chicken Little type thinking is alive and well.

[Tahuyaman]

You're chastising the former president for personal attacks?

I'm chastising him more for talking out of both sides of his mouth. Criticizing current policies, but taking credit for current success.


Unlike you, I get no tingle running up my leg when he speaks.

[ripmeister]

I'm chastising him more for talking out of both sides of his mouth. Criticizing current policies, but taking credit for current success.


Unlike you, I get no tingle running up my leg when he speaks.

That tingle I get is from my sciatica not the former POTUS. :laugh:

[texan]

It is Obama's job to fire up and raise money. This is the way it goes. Ho Hum.....

However, you know his enormous damaged ego from the last election is damaged. The savor could not deliver anything but himself. No House, No Senate, No presidency from the greatest ever.

[ripmeister]

I'm chastising him more for talking out of both sides of his mouth. Criticizing current policies, but taking credit for current success.


Unlike you, I get no tingle running up my leg when he speaks.
Yea, don't you just hate it when people take credit for things they had nothing to do with or embellish profusely to the point that its an outright lie.

[Tahuyaman]

Yea, don't you just hate it when people take credit for things they had nothing to do with or embellish profusely to the point that its an outright lie.


I can't find any merit in that. It's not often you see a president take credit for a growing economy which is a result of policies which were in opposition to the policies he stood for.


Why do you suppose Obama is trying to take credit for the current economic situation?

[Tahuyaman]

It is Obama's job to fire up and raise money. This is the way it goes. Ho Hum.....

However, you know his enormous damaged ego from the last election is damaged. The savor could not deliver anything but himself. No House, No Senate, No presidency from the greatest ever.


When Obama took office, the nation was mostly under the control of Democrats. He lost more than 1000 Democratic seats nation wide. It was a huge turn of events. With his arrogant ego, I'm sure he believes he had no role in that turnaround.

[MMC]

White House Econ Adviser Debunks Obama's Claim He Deserves Credit for Economy.....


The current economic boom has nothing to do with President Obama, White House economic adviser Kevin Hassett suggested Monday in the briefing room. In a speech last week at the University of Illinois, Obama claimed credit for the improved economic outlook. It was his policies, he noted that paved the way for the current rate.


"Don't forget when the recovery started," he told (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2018/09/07/obama-speech-n2516820) the audience.


"You don't have to reach far" for an explanation as to why the economy is looking up, Hassett said. Trump deregulated the economy, oversaw massive tax cuts, and cut corporate tax rates, all which have resulted in business returning to the U.S. and creating jobs. He had several charts to prove it.


Asked again whether Obama deserves any credit for today's economy, Hassett explained that he prefers to give credit or blame based on policy, not individuals. Obama's policies, he said, certainly did not help GDP. The Affordable Care Act, and his increased marginal tax rates on small businesses, for instance, "did not help" growth. "I wonder what was going on in the heads" of Obama's economists, like Cash for Clunkers, he added.



On the other hand, the 2008 recession was "not Obama's fault," Hassett conceded.


One reporter wanted to know if it was a coincidence that Hassett showed up at the briefing just a few days after Obama's speech. Hassett thanked her for the question, noting he was not there just to debunk Obama. He had "wanted to show these slides for quite awhile."....snip~


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2018/09/10/white-house-briefing-n2517605


Well at least the Peep can say he didn't cause the recession.

[Tahuyaman]

That tingle I get is from my sciatica not the former POTUS. :laugh:

The sciatica thing wouldn't be a tingle. You know and I know that you swoon when you listen to Obama.


Personally, I have never watched more than a few seconds of any of his speeches.

[ripmeister]

I can't find any merit in that. It's not often you see a president take credit for a growing economy which is a result of policies which were in opposition to the policies he stood for.


Why do you suppose Obama is trying to take credit for the current economic situation?
Well I'm not sure to what you refer. The tax cut certainly has had some effect, but other policies? Deregulation? I don't think there's been enough time to fully see the effects of any of that in addition to the effects that the possible impending trade wars will have. To me economics is a long term thing. Obama had steady, albeit anemic growth over the eight years of his presidency after inheriting a clusterfuck. I'll grade Trump on economics in another year or two.

[ripmeister]

The sciatica thing wouldn't be a tingle. You know and I know that you swoon when you listen to Obama.


Personally, I have never watched more than a few seconds of any of his speeches.
No, I don't swoon but you are free to think what you would like.

[Tahuyaman]

...In a speech last week at the University of Illinois, Obama claimed credit for the improved economic outlook. It was his policies, he noted that paved the way for the current rate..

In a way that is true. Obama presided over a sluggish economy for so long that people knew that we needed a change of direction. Had we experienced economic and jobs growth like this during Obama's two terms, Democrats would have been unbeatable in most regions throughout the country.

So, in that sense, Obama's polices paved the way for the conditions we are experiencing today.

[stjames1_53]

Well I'm not sure to what you refer. The tax cut certainly has had some effect, but other policies? Deregulation? I don't think there's been enough time to fully see the effects of any of that in addition to the effects that the possible impending trade wars will have. To me economics is a long term thing. Obama had steady, albeit anemic growth over the eight years of his presidency after inheriting a cluster$#@!. I'll grade Trump on economics in another year or two.

Dude, your previous two posts show you've already passed judgment...............

[stjames1_53]

In a way that is true. Obama presided over a sluggish economy for so long that people knew that we needed a change of direction. Had we experienced economic and jobs growth like this during Obama's two terms, Democrats would have been unbeatable in most regions throughout the country.

So, in that sense, Obama's polices paved the way for the conditions we are experiencing today.

There can be no argument.If Obama had been able to come close to what Trump accomplished in 18 months, following Bush's failed economic growth, the dems could have written their own ticket.

[Tahuyaman]

Well I'm not sure to what you refer. The tax cut certainly has had some effect, but other policies? Deregulation? I don't think there's been enough time to fully see the effects of any of that in addition to the effects that the possible impending trade wars will have. To me economics is a long term thing. Obama had steady, albeit anemic growth over the eight years of his presidency after inheriting a cluster$#@!. I'll grade Trump on economics in another year or two.

The effects of deregulation were realized more quickly than the cut in tax rates. Trump didn't need the congress to act in that area. He simply rolled back obstructive regulations imposed by the previous president. He started that process immediately. Various sectors of the economy responded immediately in a positive way.


The notion of impending trade wars is just fear mongering. Trade deals are being renegotiated. The rest of the world, to include China needs us more than we need them.


Obama presided over the weakest economic recovery in history. That was a direct result of his policy ideas.

Things today aren't the same as they were decades ago. Our economy is much more dynamic and reactive than it used to be. It no longer takes years for economic policy to make an impact

[Tahuyaman]

There can be no argument.If Obama had been able to come close to what Trump accomplished in 18 months, following Bush's failed economic growth, the dems could have written their own ticket.


Obama stated that today's economic growth was impossible. He said that the weak growth of his eight years was "the new normal". He said that the manufacturing jobs lost during his tenure were lost forever. Hillary Clinton agreed with him on those issues. That's part of the reason she isn't the POTUS.


It is very odd to see a former president take credit for economic conditions he said were impossible to achieve.

[Tahuyaman]

Dude, your previous two posts show you've already passed judgment...............


It also shows that he has the ability to ignore current events when they are a positive result of policies directly opposed to those he supports.

[ripmeister]

Dude, your previous two posts show you've already passed judgment...............
I've only passed judgement in terms of taking short term credit for a long term issue.

[ripmeister]

It also shows that he has the ability to ignore current events when they are a positive result of policies directly opposed to those he supports.

I don't think that's a fair critique of what I wrote. I gave Trump credit for tax cuts and deregulation. I simply questioned just moving to conclusions too quickly.

[Captdon]

Obama has seen his legacy reduced to one line- First Black elected President.

[Tahuyaman]

I don't think that's a fair critique of what I wrote. I gave Trump credit for tax cuts and deregulation. I simply questioned just moving to conclusions too quickly.


I noted that you are ignoring the facts being demonstrated today. Our economy is currently growing in a fairly robust and healthy pace of the likes we have not seen for quite some time.


Obama should not get any of the credit for that. He should be discredited as an economic leader just because he opposes the policies which led to this change in our economy.

[Tahuyaman]

Obama has seen his legacy reduced to one line- First Black elected President.

Pretty much. Don't forget, Bin Laden was killed during his watch. He was on the golf course when the raid was initiated, but it did happen during his tenure.

[ripmeister]

Pretty much. Don't forget, Bin Laden was killed during his watch. He was on the golf course when the raid was initiated, but it did happen during his tenure.
That's funny. I seem to remember photos from the situation room during the raid. They must have been fake photos. :rollseyes:

[Tahuyaman]

That's funny. I seem to remember photos from the situation room during the raid. They must have been fake photos. :rollseyes:
Actually that was after the raid. Obama was pulled off the golf course to watch that. That’s ok. Golf can be good therapy and often times a lot of good advice is passed on over a game of golf.

[texan]

The Ripmeister avoided my facts.

[Don]

I can't find any merit in that. It's not often you see a president take credit for a growing economy which is a result of policies which were in opposition to the policies he stood for.


Why do you suppose Obama is trying to take credit for the current economic situation?

For the same reason he blamed "W" for the bad economy in his first six or seven years in office. :laugh: He and the democrats blamed Bush for just about every bad thing that was happening.

http://b2.ifrm.com/17/153/0/p719996/bsmd.jpg

[Tahuyaman]

For the same reason he blamed "W" for the bad economy in his first six or seven years in office. :laugh: He and the democrats blamed Bush for just about every bad thing that was happening. http://b2.ifrm.com/17/153/0/p719996/bsmd.jpg

They blamed Bush for the entirety of Obama’s two terms.

[Wehrwolfen]

Yea, don't you just hate it when people take credit for things they had nothing to do with or embellish profusely to the point that its an outright lie.

Yes, we noticed it well with Obama's latest speech. Just a slight change in his whining about Bush for eight years.

[stjames1_53]

Pretty much. Don't forget, Bin Laden was killed during his watch. He was on the golf course when the raid was initiated, but it did happen during his tenure.
However, it was Bush who issued the death warrant. Bush set the whole thing in to motion.

[stjames1_53]

I've only passed judgement in terms of taking short term credit for a long term issue.
And this pisses you off? You seem to imply that you would like to see the clock turned back to what it was during the Obama years......like NOW!!!! IMMEDIATELY!!!
You claimed that you had a "personal" reason for hating Trump because you have friends and family in the States, but you never said how Trump's policies affected them to the point that it affects you. Just what has Trump done that impacts your friends and relatives in a negative way? What are those impacts?

[ripmeister]

The Ripmeister avoided my facts.
How so?

[ripmeister]

And this pisses you off? You seem to imply that you would like to see the clock turned back to what it was during the Obama years......like NOW!!!! IMMEDIATELY!!!
You claimed that you had a "personal" reason for hating Trump because you have friends and family in the States, but you never said how Trump's policies affected them to the point that it affects you. Just what has Trump done that impacts your friends and relatives in a negative way? What are those impacts?
I have no idea what you are talking about here. Had a personal reason for "Hating TRump". Where did that come from? I don't hate Trump, I just think he's imcompetent. I'm rarely pissed off so you are wrong on that one. I just try to make observations.

[stjames1_53]

I have no idea what you are talking about here. Had a personal reason for "Hating TRump". Where did that come from? I don't hate Trump, I just think he's imcompetent. I'm rarely pissed off so you are wrong on that one. I just try to make observations.

list the things he's done to earn your gift of "incompetent."

[ripmeister]

list the things he's done to earn your gift of "incompetent."
He's the CEO of the shit show in the White House.

[stjames1_53]

He's the CEO of the $#@! show in the White House.
No. He's your president as well as mine. What do you call the president of Ford? What do you call the president of GM?
Running the business of America is a business. Period. What has Trump done to earn such a title as you bestow upon him? I think, business-wise, he's doing a great job.

[ripmeister]

No. He's your president as well as mine. What do you call the president of Ford? What do you call the president of GM?
Running the business of America is a business. Period. What has Trump done to earn such a title as you bestow upon him? I htink, business-wise, he's doing a great job.
We disagree and that's fine. I'll leave it at that.

[stjames1_53]

We disagree and that's fine. I'll leave it at that.

so, what has Trump done to put your life in reverse?

[Admiral Ackbar]

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[Tahuyaman]

so, what has Trump done to put your life in reverse?


Nothing.

[Tahuyaman]

Yes, we noticed it well with Obama's latest speech. Just a slight change in his whining about Bush for eight years.

He has a new bogey man. The one who has rolled back his legacy.