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Mainecoons
01-19-2013, 07:12 PM
Just in case you think it makes any damn difference whether the Demicans or the Republicrats are running things:

http://my.coffeepartyusa.com/page/-/us-size-spending-by-president.jpg

The only one of the bunch who didn't grow government like a runaway cancer was Ike.

Yep, I remember Ike too. He was the guy who warned us about the military-industrial complex creating constant excuses for foreign military misadventurism and "defense" spending. IMO, the last real American who understood and believed in limited government in the White House.

BTW, the last year Ike was in office government at all levels managed to take care of things while just spending around 20 percent of a far small GDP. Now, they can't seem to fix the infrastructure despite the fact they are consuming twice that much, let alone all the borrowing that can never be repaid.

JackRuby
01-19-2013, 07:16 PM
Just in case you think it makes any damn difference whether the Demicans or the Republicrats are running things:

http://my.coffeepartyusa.com/page/-/us-size-spending-by-president.jpg

The only one of the bunch who didn't grow government like a runaway cancer was Ike.

Yep, I remember Ike too. He was the guy who warned us about the military-industrial complex creating constant excuses for foreign military misadventurism and "defense" spending. IMO, the last real American who understood and believed in limited government in the White House.

BTW, the last year Ike was in office government at all levels managed to take care of things while just spending around 20 percent of a far small GDP. Now, they can't seem to fix the infrastructure despite the fact they are consuming twice that much, let alone all the borrowing that can never be repaid.

I think I'm going to like your posts.

Carygrant
01-19-2013, 07:38 PM
I think I'm going to like your posts.


It is a miracle when he makes a decent one (!) , though his admission that he likes the EPL has softened me considerably .
Academically I would like to see it less inflation to allow real comparisons .
And it still cannot identify a period where expenditure in a specified period basically reflects attempts to put right previous blunders --- like Obama's spending on Banks ( US and EU and one or two others) to prevent the system imploding after '07/'08
But overall it is useful , imo , unlike a certain other poster with his goofy cartoon graphs .

Chris
01-19-2013, 07:45 PM
Just in case you think it makes any damn difference whether the Demicans or the Republicrats are running things:

http://my.coffeepartyusa.com/page/-/us-size-spending-by-president.jpg

The only one of the bunch who didn't grow government like a runaway cancer was Ike.

Yep, I remember Ike too. He was the guy who warned us about the military-industrial complex creating constant excuses for foreign military misadventurism and "defense" spending. IMO, the last real American who understood and believed in limited government in the White House.

BTW, the last year Ike was in office government at all levels managed to take care of things while just spending around 20 percent of a far small GDP. Now, they can't seem to fix the infrastructure despite the fact they are consuming twice that much, let alone all the borrowing that can never be repaid.

Ditto debt, and not just Presidents...

http://i.snag.gy/xuXB9.jpg

Government doesn't work.

patrickt
01-19-2013, 08:02 PM
Sorry, but it makes a difference. For one thing, I'd prefer having a Republican, preferably conservative, nominating Supreme Court Justices. Liberals got immense power from forty years of packing the government with socialist bureaucrats. That needs to be reversed. The best you'll get from Democrats is stacking with communist bureaucrats.

And, there are some conservative Republicans getting elected to Congress. No, zero, zip conservative Democrats.

I know I won't live to see things get better but I hope my children do.

Chris
01-19-2013, 08:14 PM
I'd prefer to have a conservative, too, a fiscal conservative.

JackRuby
01-19-2013, 08:48 PM
Ditto debt, and not just Presidents...

http://i.snag.gy/xuXB9.jpg

Government doesn't work.

I see a trend here. Nowhere has it gone down one year since 1981. 30 years and counting.

Adelaide
01-19-2013, 09:17 PM
This is something I don't understand as a foreigner. Hanging around forums, I see a lot of people only blaming one person or one party for what is the fault of both parties. Is partisanship really more important than fixing it? I can happily admit that Obama and the Democrats are a big part of the problem which is why I don't support them; but I also don't support the Republicans. I think they're both full of shit, regardless of who might better represent my beliefs on paper.

Peter1469
01-19-2013, 10:55 PM
This is something I don't understand as a foreigner. Hanging around forums, I see a lot of people only blaming one person or one party for what is the fault of both parties. Is partisanship really more important than fixing it? I can happily admit that Obama and the Democrats are a big part of the problem which is why I don't support them; but I also don't support the Republicans. I think they're both full of shit, regardless of who might better represent my beliefs on paper.

The reality in the US is that both major parties are two sides of the same coin. People are just told that they are different and you will get meaningful change with the one you side with.

zelmo1234
01-20-2013, 12:31 AM
This is something I don't understand as a foreigner. Hanging around forums, I see a lot of people only blaming one person or one party for what is the fault of both parties. Is partisanship really more important than fixing it? I can happily admit that Obama and the Democrats are a big part of the problem which is why I don't support them; but I also don't support the Republicans. I think they're both full of shit, regardless of who might better represent my beliefs on paper.

Amen, brother Amen!

This is the truth!

JackRuby
01-20-2013, 07:15 AM
This is something I don't understand as a foreigner. Hanging around forums, I see a lot of people only blaming one person or one party for what is the fault of both parties. Is partisanship really more important than fixing it? I can happily admit that Obama and the Democrats are a big part of the problem which is why I don't support them; but I also don't support the Republicans. I think they're both full of shit, regardless of who might better represent my beliefs on paper.

Now if you could only communicate that to the followers of the party types we would be a much better country for it, and guys like myself could simply be a Mafia bag man and nightclub owner without the nasty business of bumping off assassins.

Jack

Chris
01-20-2013, 11:00 AM
This is something I don't understand as a foreigner. Hanging around forums, I see a lot of people only blaming one person or one party for what is the fault of both parties. Is partisanship really more important than fixing it? I can happily admit that Obama and the Democrats are a big part of the problem which is why I don't support them; but I also don't support the Republicans. I think they're both full of shit, regardless of who might better represent my beliefs on paper.

I'll join others in praising your insight, both parties are too blame, and the problem, as noted above, it that they're two side the same coin. The US government was framed for political contention with it's three branches and two houses, but we see none of that. Sure, the media reports all this animosity, but the end result is compromise.

Peter1469
01-20-2013, 01:40 PM
Amen, brother Amen!

This is the truth!

That would be sister, in this case...