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Just AnotherPerson
11-14-2018, 11:34 AM
In January congress was going to be able to end the war in Yemen. They are working to pass H.C.R 138 https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-concurrent-resolution/138 It is aimed at removing hostilities from Yemen because it has not been congressionally approved.

Congress is the only one with war powers. The president only has war powers when we are under attack, otherwise it is unconstitutional.

At the last minute yesterday Paul Ryan introduced a vote on a house rule to de privilege congressional war powers. It is going to vote today before 4pm. If you are interested in stopping this unconstitutional move call your reps immediately. You can directly call your reps or email them, call both your Senators and Representatives. Or you can call 1-833-STOP-WAR, or 202-224-3121. You can also go online to https://stopthewar.us/ to have an email sent.

Call your reps off the hook today, Tell them you are in favor of and to support H.C.R 138 and to vote No on de-privileging H.Con.Res. 138

H.Con.Res. 138 is to use the War Powers Act to stop all U.S support to Saudi Arabia in Yemen. Republicans are trying to stop H.Con.Res. 138 with procedural H.Res.1142. Call your reps to vote NO on H.Res. 1142

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/republicans-us-support-saudi-war-yemen_us_5beb3200e4b044bbb1a9c203?eb

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/house-gop-leadership-moves-to-torpedo-h-con-res-138/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/republicans-block-democratic-bill-to-end-us-role-in-yemen-war

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/11/13/18093236/yemen-war-republicans-khanna-vote-rules

Captdon
11-14-2018, 11:53 AM
You don't know what you're talking about. Congress is not going to do a thing.The Senate won't even bring it to a vote. We will continue to sell arms to Saudi Arabia and its partners.

Just AnotherPerson
11-14-2018, 01:28 PM
House GOP moves to block resolution that would end US military involvement in Yemen civil war
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/416599-house-gop-moves-to-block-resolution-that-would-end-us-military-involvement-in


House Republicans are moving to block a vote on a resolution that would end all U.S. military support to the Saudi Arabia-led coalition in Yemen’s civil war.

Rep. Ro Khanna (https://thehill.com/people/rohit-ro-khanna) (D-Calif.), backed by top Democrats, introduced the War Powers resolution in September. Because the resolution invoked the War Powers Act, it was privileged, meaning Democrats could theoretically have forced a vote on it.

But on Tuesday night, the House Rules Committee adopted, in a 6-2 vote on party lines, a rule for floor debate for an unrelated bill that includes a provision stripping Khanna’s resolution of its privileged status.

The full House is expected to consider the rule, for the “Manage our Wolves Act,” later Wednesday.

Khanna on Tuesday lashed out at the Republican's move on Twitter.“

The Republicans tomorrow are trying to bury my Yemen War Powers Resolution in a rule that would prevent an up or down vote,” Khanna tweeted Tuesday night. “This is unprecedented and would undermine the very purpose of the War Powers Act. Anyone who cares about Article I of the Constitution should be outraged.”

Ethereal
11-14-2018, 03:02 PM
Just another example of so-called "conservative Republicans" spitting on the legacy of America's founders, the US constitution, and basic human decency.

It's time to face facts: The constitution has been dead for a long time. It offers us no real protections. It is up to the people and their State governments to uphold American values and traditions. The US government is nothing more than an instrument of tyranny.

Captdon
11-14-2018, 05:36 PM
Just another example of so-called "conservative Republicans" spitting on the legacy of America's founders, the US constitution, and basic human decency.

It's time to face facts: The constitution has been dead for a long time. It offers us no real protections. It is up to the people and their State governments to uphold American values and traditions. The US government is nothing more than an instrument of tyranny.

You both lose on this. i only post so you don't get lonely. Yemen can go to Hell and no one will notice it but you two.

Peter1469
11-14-2018, 05:41 PM
Let the Saudi and Iranian factions in Yemen bleed each other. We don't need to get in the way.

Just AnotherPerson
11-14-2018, 05:55 PM
We are dealing with a true dictator. Our President publicly condemns the Saudis, and says he wants peace. Then he does a move like this bill to block congress from their authority.

Breaking news......The house has blocked the resolution to end the war in Yemen. This is a loss for hundreds of thousands in Yemen who are being slaughtered at our hands. This is a shame on all of us. We should all rise up and tell our leaders that blood for money is unnaceptable. We should do everything in our power to not allow our nation to be participating us in a coporate genocide of children. What a crime!

Here is the news


House blocks resolution to end US military support in Yemen war
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/416768-house-blocks-resolution-to-end-us-military-support-in-yemen-civil-war


House Republicans have officially blocked a vote on a resolution that would end all U.S. military support to the Saudi Arabia-led-coalition in Yemen’s ongoing war.

On Wednesday afternoon, the House approved 201-187, largely on party lines, a rule for floor debate on an unrelated bill that would take the gray wolf off the endanger species list. Included in the rule was a provision (https://thehill.com/policy/defense/416599-house-gop-moves-to-block-resolution-that-would-end-us-military-involvement-in) that strips the Yemen resolution of its so-called privilege status.

Privilege means the sponsors of the resolution could theoretically have forced a vote on it. Rep. Ro Khanna (https://thehill.com/people/rohit-ro-khanna) (D-Calif.), backed by top Democrats, introduced the resolution in September and invoked the War Powers Act to give it privilege status.

“Let’s be very clear: This is unprecedented in American history,” Khanna said on the House floor Wednesday. “What the majority is saying is that if the president of the United States and the Speaker believe we should be in war, we should be at war.”

Peter1469
11-14-2018, 05:57 PM
We are dealing with a true dictator. Our President publicly condemns the Saudis, and says he wants peace. Then he does a move like this bill to block congress from their authority.

Breaking news......The house has blocked the resolution to end the war in Yemen. This is a loss for hundreds of thousands in Yemen who are being slaughtered at our hands. This is a shame on all of us. We should all rise up and tell our leaders that blood for money is unnaceptable. We should do everything in our power to not allow our nation to be participating us in a coporate genocide of children. What a crime!

Here is the news


House blocks resolution to end US military support in Yemen war
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/416768-house-blocks-resolution-to-end-us-military-support-in-yemen-civil-war


House Republicans have officially blocked a vote on a resolution that would end all U.S. military support to the Saudi Arabia-led-coalition in Yemen’s ongoing war.

On Wednesday afternoon, the House approved 201-187, largely on party lines, a rule for floor debate on an unrelated bill that would take the gray wolf off the endanger species list. Included in the rule was a provision (https://thehill.com/policy/defense/416599-house-gop-moves-to-block-resolution-that-would-end-us-military-involvement-in) that strips the Yemen resolution of its so-called privilege status.

Privilege means the sponsors of the resolution could theoretically have forced a vote on it. Rep. Ro Khanna (https://thehill.com/people/rohit-ro-khanna) (D-Calif.), backed by top Democrats, introduced the resolution in September and invoked the War Powers Act to give it privilege status.

“Let’s be very clear: This is unprecedented in American history,” Khanna said on the House floor Wednesday. “What the majority is saying is that if the president of the United States and the Speaker believe we should be in war, we should be at war.”




Dictator? Where?

Just AnotherPerson
11-14-2018, 06:32 PM
Here is a copy and paste of the resolution that they snuck in with the endangered wolf resolution see section 4 Here is a link as well.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-resolution/1142/text




115th CONGRESS
2d Session












H. RES. 1142
[Report No. 115–1022]


Providing for consideration of the bill (H.R. 6784) to provide for removal of the gray wolf in the contiguous 48 States from the List of Endangered and Threatened Wildlife published under the Endangered Species Act of 1973, and providing for proceedings during the period from November 19, 2018, through November 26, 2018.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
November 13, 2018


Mr. Newhouse, from the Committee on Rules, reported the following resolution; which was referred to the House Calendar and ordered to be printed



RESOLUTION

Providing for consideration of the bill (H.R. 6784) to provide for removal of the gray wolf in the contiguous 48 States from the List of Endangered and Threatened Wildlife published under the Endangered Species Act of 1973, and providing for proceedings during the period from November 19, 2018, through November 26, 2018. Resolved, That upon adoption of this resolution it shall be in order to consider in the House the bill (H.R. 6784) to provide for removal of the gray wolf in the contiguous 48 States from the List of Endangered and Threatened Wildlife published under the Endangered Species Act of 1973. All points of order against consideration of the bill are waived. The bill shall be considered as read. All points of order against provisions in the bill are waived. The previous question shall be considered as ordered on the bill and on any amendment thereto to final passage without intervening motion except:

(1) one hour of debate equally divided and controlled by the chair and ranking minority member of the Committee on Natural Resources; and (2) one motion to recommit. Sec. 2. On any legislative day during the period from November 19, 2018, through November 26, 2018— (a) the Journal of the proceedings of the previous day shall be considered as approved; and



(b) the Chair may at any time declare the House adjourned to meet at a date and time, within the limits of clause 4, section 5, article I of the Constitution, to be announced by the Chair in declaring the adjournment. Sec. 3. The Speaker may appoint Members to perform the duties of the Chair for the duration of the period addressed by section 2 of this resolution as though under clause 8(a) of rule I.




Sec. 4. The provisions of section 7 of the War Powers Resolution (50 U.S.C. 1546 (http://uscode.house.gov/quicksearch/get.plx?title=50&section=1546)) shall not apply to House Concurrent Resolution 138.

Abby08
11-14-2018, 07:10 PM
In news closer to home and, of more importance.... several people were shot and killed, when a gunman walked into a bar, in Globe Arizona and opened fire.

Globe is s small copper mining town in SE Arizona, it's approximately an hour from me.

Funny, I don't think the media, outside of local stations, covered it.

Now, there's a story *I" care about, something that's happening in my own country, in my own back yard.

Ethereal
11-14-2018, 08:59 PM
In news closer to home and, of more importance.... several people were shot and killed, when a gunman walked into a bar, in Globe Arizona and opened fire.

Globe is s small copper mining town in SE Arizona, it's approximately an hour from me.

Funny, I don't think the media, outside of local stations, covered it.

Now, there's a story *I" care about, something that's happening in my own country, in my own back yard.
The story from the OP is happening in America. The US Congress continues to abdicate its constitutional power over war. I can think of few things more important than the US government violating the law that is supposed to bind our society together.

Abby08
11-14-2018, 09:40 PM
The story from the OP is happening in America. The US Congress continues to abdicate its constitutional power over war. I can think of few things more important than the US government violating the law that is supposed to bind our society together.

It's still about Yemen, the only thing JAP seems to care about.

I don't think she realizes, the more threads she starts about Yemen, the less interest she generates.

You and she, seem to be the only ones who are interested....on here.

Just AnotherPerson
11-14-2018, 11:57 PM
In case anyone is interested here are some links to the vote today

Tulsi on the floor begins at 6:00 ends 7:31 sec https://www.c-span.org/video/?454487-1/house-session-part-1

Ro Khanna on the floor https://twitter.com/RepRoKhanna/status/1062842143369244672

Here is the roll call on the vote http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2018/roll418.xml

donttread
11-15-2018, 04:30 AM
You don't know what you're talking about. Congress is not going to do a thing.The Senate won't even bring it to a vote. We will continue to sell arms to Saudi Arabia and its partners.

Imagine the generations of our regime leaders the Saudis have dirt on? But while we're at it why not strike all war powers unless we are under attack?

Peter1469
11-15-2018, 05:45 AM
Imagine the generations of our regime leaders the Saudis have dirt on? But while we're at it why not strike all war powers unless we are under attack?
Because sometimes we have legitimate need for the rapid use of military force to prevent dangerous escalation. A clear example is the student rescue mission at Grenada. Reagan went in, kicked some ass, got the medical students, and left Grenada to clean up the mess- no occupation and we were home before any requirement to inform Congress was triggered.

On a side note, the Grenada operation taught the military many valuable lessons. We lost a SEAL team on the beach due to piss poor prior planning.

Orion Rules
11-15-2018, 01:09 PM
Imagine the generations of our regime leaders the Saudis have dirt on? But while we're at it why not strike all war powers unless we are under attack?


Does the President know he will be a victim of the war crimes tribunal(s) that are assessing the facts?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfwm87YlAow

Tahuyaman
11-15-2018, 01:23 PM
. We lost a SEAL team on the beach due to piss poor prior planning.


I think your confusing Urgent Fury with Just Cause. If my memory is correct 4 Navy SEAL's lost their life in Grenada and all four were out in the ocean because of a heavy rainstorm.

Orion Rules
11-15-2018, 01:27 PM
As a U.sele$$ Con.grass seeks to de-classify the wolf of the tribe of Benjamin...

The Book of Genesis, chapter 49:27, the tribe of the wolf of the Israelite tribe of Benjamin of,

'He who slanders the wolf of the Israelite's very own tribe of the wolf belongs to Anubis will find themselves inside of a prison'.

The United States Senate as its Con.grass may absolve themselves of no harm...

The persecution of the wolf, as its family members must wait as it hunts alone...

The deliberate attempts of wiping out the wolf as a species has no sanctification...

God wiped out whole cities for what the horses would not do for that emancipation...



Here is a copy and paste of the resolution that they snuck in with the endangered wolf resolution see section 4 Here is a link as well.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-resolution/1142/text




115th CONGRESS
2d Session












H. RES. 1142
[Report No. 115–1022]


Providing for consideration of the bill (H.R. 6784) to provide for removal of the gray wolf in the contiguous 48 States from the List of Endangered and Threatened Wildlife published under the Endangered Species Act of 1973, and providing for proceedings during the period from November 19, 2018, through November 26, 2018.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
November 13, 2018


Mr. Newhouse, from the Committee on Rules, reported the following resolution; which was referred to the House Calendar and ordered to be printed



RESOLUTION

Providing for consideration of the bill (H.R. 6784) to provide for removal of the gray wolf in the contiguous 48 States from the List of Endangered and Threatened Wildlife published under the Endangered Species Act of 1973, and providing for proceedings during the period from November 19, 2018, through November 26, 2018. Resolved, That upon adoption of this resolution it shall be in order to consider in the House the bill (H.R. 6784) to provide for removal of the gray wolf in the contiguous 48 States from the List of Endangered and Threatened Wildlife published under the Endangered Species Act of 1973. All points of order against consideration of the bill are waived. The bill shall be considered as read. All points of order against provisions in the bill are waived. The previous question shall be considered as ordered on the bill and on any amendment thereto to final passage without intervening motion except:

(1) one hour of debate equally divided and controlled by the chair and ranking minority member of the Committee on Natural Resources; and (2) one motion to recommit. Sec. 2. On any legislative day during the period from November 19, 2018, through November 26, 2018— (a) the Journal of the proceedings of the previous day shall be considered as approved; and



(b) the Chair may at any time declare the House adjourned to meet at a date and time, within the limits of clause 4, section 5, article I of the Constitution, to be announced by the Chair in declaring the adjournment. Sec. 3. The Speaker may appoint Members to perform the duties of the Chair for the duration of the period addressed by section 2 of this resolution as though under clause 8(a) of rule I.




Sec. 4. The provisions of section 7 of the War Powers Resolution (50 U.S.C. 1546 (http://uscode.house.gov/quicksearch/get.plx?title=50§ion=1546)) shall not apply to House Concurrent Resolution 138.

MisterVeritis
11-15-2018, 01:46 PM
We are dealing with a true dictator. Our President publicly condemns the Saudis, and says he wants peace. Then he does a move like this bill to block congress from their authority.
Do you believe the President is one of the House Republicans?

Breaking news......The house has blocked the resolution to end the war in Yemen. This is a loss for hundreds of thousands in Yemen who are being slaughtered at our hands. This is a shame on all of us. We should all rise up and tell our leaders that blood for money is unnaceptable. We should do everything in our power to not allow our nation to be participating us in a coporate genocide of children. What a crime!
Here is what I found. We have one or two special operator teams gathering intelligence in an effort to locate mobile missile launchers.

MisterVeritis
11-15-2018, 01:50 PM
In case anyone is interested here are some links to the vote today
Tulsi on the floor begins at 6:00 ends 7:31 sec https://www.c-span.org/video/?454487-1/house-session-part-1

Ro Khanna on the floor https://twitter.com/RepRoKhanna/status/1062842143369244672

Here is the roll call on the vote http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2018/roll418.xml
Thanks.

Just AnotherPerson
11-15-2018, 03:16 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUj5pqA4pYM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gB6iFSsEag0&t=0s




Senate rejects effort to block Bahrain arms sale
https://itk.thehill.com/policy/defense/416938-senate-rejects-effort-to-block-bahrain-arms-sale

The Xl
11-15-2018, 03:22 PM
The war powers act is Unconstitutional. However, since we don't actually live in a Constitutional Republic, the status quo will go on as is. The lot of these usurpers and traitors ought to be in prison.

Tahuyaman
11-15-2018, 03:34 PM
The war powers act is Unconstitutional. However, since we don't actually live in a Constitutional Republic, the status quo will go on as is. The lot of these usurpers and traitors ought to be in prison.


https://www.quora.com/Is-the-War-Powers-Act-constitutional

The short answer is Yes. The War Powers Act is Constitutional in that it does not grant or remove any authority already vested in the Executive (President) but it does define under what circumstance the President may use the military forces of the United States and for how long

https://digitalcommons.law.yale.edu/fss_papers/2225/

Just AnotherPerson
11-15-2018, 03:39 PM
Breaking News: US Senate Blocks Resolution on Bahrain Arms Sales

https://www.adhrb.org/2018/11/breaking-news-us-senate-blocks-vote-on-bahrain-arms-sales/

15 November 2018 – Today, the United States Senate voted 77 to 21 (https://twitter.com/just_security/status/1063136931561832448) to discharge S. J. Res. 65, a }&r=1"]joint resolution (https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-joint-resolution/65/text?q={"search"%3A["SJRes+65) introduced by Senator Rand Paul (R-KY), therefore blocking Senators from voting to prohibit US arms sales to Bahrain. This move by Senate leadership paves the way for further arms sales to Bahrain despite the kingdom’s atrocious human rights record, suppression of political and civil society organizations, attacks on peaceful protests, religious discrimination, and widespread and systematic torture and arbitrary detention.

The passage of Senator Paul’s resolution would have been a formal notice to the Trump administration and Bahraini government that Congress disapproves of arms sales to Bahrain. It would also have put the Bahraini government on notice that its participation in the war in Yemen is of serious concern, and signaled that there will be consequences for Bahrain if the government continues to violate human rights.

MisterVeritis
11-15-2018, 03:41 PM
The war powers act is Unconstitutional. However, since we don't actually live in a Constitutional Republic, the status quo will go on as is. The lot of these usurpers and traitors ought to be in prison.
It doesn't appear to be. It does not change the Constitution's requirements.

Just AnotherPerson
11-15-2018, 04:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWXD3CcfEkw

Tahuyaman
11-15-2018, 05:16 PM
As a U.sele$$ Con.grass seeks to de-classify the wolf of the tribe of Benjamin...

The Book of Genesis, chapter 49:27, the tribe of the wolf of the Israelite tribe of Benjamin of,

'He who slanders the wolf of the Israelite's very own tribe of the wolf belongs to Anubis will find themselves inside of a prison'.

The United States Senate as its Con.grass may absolve themselves of no harm...

The persecution of the wolf, as its family members must wait as it hunts alone...

The deliberate attempts of wiping out the wolf as a species has no sanctification...

God wiped out whole cities for what the horses would not do for that emancipation...

In the alt-time of the generalization period when the reins of the apocalypse secure the knowledge of your guesses, you'll be rewarded.

Captdon
11-15-2018, 08:26 PM
Imagine the generations of our regime leaders the Saudis have dirt on? But while we're at it why not strike all war powers unless we are under attack?

A load of crap. You people always think someone has the "dirt" on us.

Captdon
11-15-2018, 08:32 PM
1. Yemen is a shithole.

2. The public isn't aware that anything is going on in that shithole.

3. No one who matters is going to do anything.

4. We are going to continue tosell arms to the saudi's and their partners.

5. Yemen is a shit hole.

Orion Rules
11-16-2018, 01:08 PM
The war powers act is Unconstitutional. However, since we don't actually live in a Constitutional Republic, the status quo will go on as is. The lot of these usurpers and traitors ought to be in prison.

But we do live in a Constitutional Republic because the exact same has been declared right inside of this same forum, as he continues the stalking. Can you even imagine what the rights of Con.grass will be when the United States Senate gets a hold of their version? How the wolf of the tribe of Benjamin has been used categorically to deny its very own.

The Bureau of Bad Management has kidnapped so many horses, with more interludes by the same facilitators who have received billions in grant subsidies that can't help a poor student forum a union. How bad is land managed where the cattle are sold to China as they want to deprive the wolf of its very own territory, as wild horses live inside kill pens.