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GrassrootsConservative
01-21-2013, 11:18 PM
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/17/west-point-center-cites-dangers-far-right-us/#ixzz2IaXZ1RTN


A West Point think tank has issued a paper warning America about “far right” groups such as the “anti-federalist” movement, which supports “civil activism, individual freedoms and self-government.”
The report issued this week by the Combating Terrorism Center (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/combating-terrorism-center/) at the U.S. Military Academy (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/us-military-academy/) at West Point, N.Y., is titled “Challengers from the Sidelines: Understanding America’s Violent Far-Right.”
The center (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/combating-terrorism-center/) — part of the institution where men and women are molded into Army officers — posted the report Tuesday. It lumps limited government activists with three movements it identifies as “a racist/white supremacy movement, an anti-federalist movement and a fundamentalist movement.”
The West Point center typically focuses reports on al Qaeda (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/al-qaeda/) and other Islamic extremists attempting to gain power in Asia, the Middle East and Africa through violence.
But its latest study turns inward and paints a broad brush of people it considers “far right.”


Fuck this shit. Democrats are scum.

Chloe
01-21-2013, 11:25 PM
There are potentially dangerous people in all political points of view. I'm not sure why it would focus just on one group but I wouldn't take it personally.

GrassrootsConservative
01-21-2013, 11:27 PM
There are potentially dangerous people in all political points of view. I'm not sure why it would focus just on one group but I wouldn't take it personally.

They make it personal, I'm going to take it personal.

Chloe
01-21-2013, 11:35 PM
They make it personal, I'm going to take it personal.

I get that and I don't completely disagree but is it going to change your point of view either way? I'm sure there are plenty of people on the far right that are probably violenct or could be violent based on some of their views, but that doesn't mean YOU are.

GrassrootsConservative
01-21-2013, 11:37 PM
I get that and I don't completely disagree but is it going to change your point of view either way? I'm sure there are plenty of people on the far right that are probably violenct or could be violent based on some of their views, but that doesn't mean YOU are.

I'm not, but that article is treating me and every other conservative like we are.

Chloe
01-21-2013, 11:42 PM
I'm not, but that article is treating me and every other conservative like we are.

I'm sorry I don't mean to for this to sound like a lecture or something but it's just an article. If I believed everything people wrote about green party people i'd probably be living in a tree or mud hut, making my clothes out of pot, eating leaves, not having showered in months, and sacrificing humans to animal overlords.

GrassrootsConservative
01-21-2013, 11:46 PM
I'm sorry I don't mean to for this to sound like a lecture or something but it's just an article. If I believed everything people wrote about green party people i'd probably be living in a tree or mud hut, making my clothes out of pot, eating leaves, not having showered in months, and sacrificing humans to animal overlords.

Yeah but they don't paint you as a terrorist.

Chloe
01-21-2013, 11:47 PM
I guess I already do eat leaves, but the rest I don't do

Chloe
01-21-2013, 11:47 PM
Yeah but they don't paint you as a terrorist.

fair point

Agravan
01-22-2013, 12:54 AM
They leave out the left wing enviro-nazis as proven terrorists (ELF), animal rights activists, etc, but focus on people like us, who have served our country selflessly. Who love this country and despise the direction the progressives on both sides of the aisle are taking us. us, who are mostly law abiding citizens, as terrorists. They ignore the actual terrorist arm of the Democrat Party - the KKK. And focus on people who wish for smaller government. They will keep pushing us until they get exactly what they predicted This is a self-fulfilling prophecy on their part.
As has been said Before. "be careful what you wish for, you might get it."

zelmo1234
01-22-2013, 02:12 AM
fair point

What if the governemnt funded a study and mandated the outcome, and painted all Vegans to be like this idiot!

http://blogs.wsj.com/environmentalcapital/2009/04/21/wanted-fbi-adds-environmental-terrorist-to-most-wanted-list/

How would you feel?

the reason for this article and study was to say the these people have the potential to be violent. Well here is a surprise, but you have the potential to be violent too? We just do not know what it is that would be your trigger. Maybe if you were somewhere that people were killing baby seals for there fur?

but once our group has a wack job like the posted link, they will call for the disarmerment of this entire group of people.

This is right out of the Stalin play book!

Carygrant
01-22-2013, 07:01 AM
There are potentially dangerous people in all political points of view. I'm not sure why it would focus just on one group but I wouldn't take it personally.

You seem to bend over backwards to be " fair" and PC and there is much to like in your approach .
But these people are writing precisely about types like this OP who seems permanently out of control , imo .
He is not alone I am sure in this Forum . I have written about them from the day I became a contributor here and it is not by chance I refer to them as Extremists and Home Terrorists -- even if they lack teeth .
America's greatest enemies are these very American types . They are dragging the country into the gutter .

Carygrant
01-22-2013, 07:05 AM
They make it personal, I'm going to take it personal.


You are too late . Your card was marked from your first post . Fortunately you are only a background noise . An irritant but not to be taken seriously .

GrumpyDog
01-22-2013, 07:21 AM
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/17/west-point-center-cites-dangers-far-right-us/#ixzz2IaXZ1RTN



Fuck this shit. Democrats are scum.

It will be one short step from that to calling gunowners "domestic terrorists", after which, NDAA 2012 will kick in.

I do not know what happened between the Democratic Convention, and now, but the Democrat party has become a tyrannical party, overly confident, acting out some kind of dillusional belief that 51% is a mandate for extremist authoritarianism.

Just like I opposed the Bush imperialists, I now oppose the Obama imperialists: FUCK EM ALL!

zelmo1234
01-22-2013, 08:09 AM
You seem to bend over backwards to be " fair" and PC and there is much to like in your approach .
But these people are writing precisely about types like this OP who seems permanently out of control , imo .
He is not alone I am sure in this Forum . I have written about them from the day I became a contributor here and it is not by chance I refer to them as Extremists and Home Terrorists -- even if they lack teeth .
America's greatest enemies are these very American types . They are dragging the country into the gutter .

3 small issues, because she is so kind I beleive that everyone here goes out of their way to be kind to her, and her contributions are heart felt, and her disire is not to harm or minipulate others. She is Fair; You on the otherhand have been proven to make up things about people, lie, totally ignore facts, tell us the the facts we ahve posted are wrong, but never bother to post any the dispute it, we are just to take your word for it, so your -4000+ Karma shows that you have yet to be a contributer here.

2nd your assumption that the conservatives are dragging the country into the gutter, when we have posted time and time again that even the terrible leadership of GWB was daramatically better than the current administration. and that the run away spending has in fact happened when democrats had control of congress, even the last 2 years with the President and Senate refusing to make any real cuts to spending, the republicans have managed to get a tiny bit less spending. So your statement here is once agan based in fantasy, and you offer no facts

3rd You refer to the Pro second amendment types a terrorists, which of course once again is false. And Un supported by facts. even Cigar trys to twist facts to support his beliefs, you offer nothing. Which we have come to expect from you! But I thought that I would once again bring it up!

countryboy
01-22-2013, 08:12 AM
I get that and I don't completely disagree but is it going to change your point of view either way? I'm sure there are plenty of people on the far right that are probably violenct or could be violent based on some of their views, but that doesn't mean YOU are.

This all goes hand in hand with the gun control hysteria. They are setting us up to label us as "potentially dangerous", and therefore unworthy of owning guns. Anyone who doesn't see this, simply doesn't want to see it.

Not only that, but this is West Point. Fucking WEST POINT.

Libs will not be happy until they incite a civil war.

I posted this in another thread.

zelmo1234
01-22-2013, 08:14 AM
It will be one short step from that to calling gunowners "domestic terrorists", after which, NDAA 2012 will kick in.

I do not know what happened between the Democratic Convention, and now, but the Democrat party has become a tyrannical party, overly confident, acting out some kind of dillusional belief that 51% is a mandate for extremist authoritarianism.

Welcome aboard, You arenot alone, many are very concerned, It should be an interesting 2014. If the Dems do not heed President Clintons warning and continue to persue this aganda, The Republicans at least will have the majority in both houses and can block and defund everything that has started.

You are exactly correct, this is an attempt by those that would seek total domination over the people, and would use the UN and any other means to achieve this donination. We are as close to civil unrest as we have ever been in my lifetime, and the Presidetn keeps throwing gasoline on the fire.



Just like I opposed the Bush imperialists, I now oppose the Obama imperialists: FUCK EM ALL!

Cigar
01-22-2013, 08:26 AM
They make it personal, I'm going to take it personal.

We got'cha back Brother ... :grin:

http://hiphopwired.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/panthers.jpg

patrickt
01-22-2013, 08:52 AM
The Nazis and the Stalinists had to have their strawmen and strangely enough they're sharing an enemy with our socialists and nazis, the Jews.

The socialist passed the pale for me when they put out warnings on, gasp, conservative veterans. Have to watch out for them.

Why are the socialist so eager for a war? They just keep talking about it, promoting it, predicting it. They talk about getting bloody in the street and killing the Republican party. If they're going to kill Republicans what in the world do they have planned for conservatives?

zelmo1234
01-22-2013, 08:56 AM
We got'cha back Brother ... :grin:

http://hiphopwired.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/panthers.jpg

Good Luck?

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.nh-tems.com/images/Blackwater5.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.myspace.com/kyirl&h=1536&w=2048&sz=1333&tbnid=n0oM7xwcxaRLHM:&tbnh=92&tbnw=123&zoom=1&usg=__dLrr9DEAmzkI5F1PRN3X00VqKnM=&docid=6qLE6F2rubrLWM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=E5r-UICLHpOwqAH15oHoCA&ved=0CD8Q9QEwAw&dur=291

We already know in MI where Mr Prince and his loyalties lie! I guess Obama did not think it would be a problem to let one man have his own standing army, of spec ops military

Cigar
01-22-2013, 08:58 AM
Good Luck?

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.nh-tems.com/images/Blackwater5.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.myspace.com/kyirl&h=1536&w=2048&sz=1333&tbnid=n0oM7xwcxaRLHM:&tbnh=92&tbnw=123&zoom=1&usg=__dLrr9DEAmzkI5F1PRN3X00VqKnM=&docid=6qLE6F2rubrLWM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=E5r-UICLHpOwqAH15oHoCA&ved=0CD8Q9QEwAw&dur=291

We already know in MI where Mr Prince and his loyalties lie! I guess Obama did not think it would be a problem to let one man have his own standing army, of spec ops military

Luck has nothing to do with it .... :grin:

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4592544974637252&pid=1.7

Carygrant
01-22-2013, 09:00 AM
3 small issues, because she is so kind I beleive that everyone here goes out of their way to be kind to her, and her contributions are heart felt, and her disire is not to harm or minipulate others. She is Fair; You on the otherhand have been proven to make up things about people, lie, totally ignore facts, tell us the the facts we ahve posted are wrong, but never bother to post any the dispute it, we are just to take your word for it, so your -4000+ Karma shows that you have yet to be a contributer here.

2nd your assumption that the conservatives are dragging the country into the gutter, when we have posted time and time again that even the terrible leadership of GWB was daramatically better than the current administration. and that the run away spending has in fact happened when democrats had control of congress, even the last 2 years with the President and Senate refusing to make any real cuts to spending, the republicans have managed to get a tiny bit less spending. So your statement here is once agan based in fantasy, and you offer no facts

3rd You refer to the Pro second amendment types a terrorists, which of course once again is false. And Un supported by facts. even Cigar trys to twist facts to support his beliefs, you offer nothing. Which we have come to expect from you! But I thought that I would once again bring it up!


I realise it is ghastly for you to gradually see that you have been on the wrong side for such a long time .
Just let all your frustration and upset to the surface ad then take big breaths .
It's a bit of a downer for you to see specialist internal bodies confirming my consistent views .You have run out of ideas and inspiration . God bless Obama .
You have failed abysmally to prove any of those matters you fondly imagine you have addressed .
You are old world relics , and pragmatists like myself know it is a waste of time and effort trying to change old minds that are no longer flexible, tolerant and adaptable .
As long as you are herded into identifiable groups , decent people have not too much to worry about . Admittedly in Obama's shoes I would be much more pragmatic and literally remove the cancer spearheads ,but that is just one reason I am not in his shoes .
Increasingly , decent people have got to assert and reassert future values and as the future holds no great position for the American white male, we need to build a new world that demonstrates and is then shaped on that simple demographic fact .
Not a world mortgaged to and for white men and is founded on corruption and backed by guns .

zelmo1234
01-22-2013, 09:08 AM
Luck has nothing to do with it .... :grin:


You are right

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/armyweapons/a/stinger.htm :flag:
http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4592544974637252&pid=1.7

Ivan88
01-22-2013, 07:30 PM
"OUR LIBTARDED GOVERNMENT IS ATTACKING the FIRST AMENDMENT" GrassrootsConservative

Both Parties attack people's property, rights and lives.
What do you think they been doing in the last 150 years of almost constant wars of aggression around the world?

Maybe we should follow the Belarus National Anthem:
13101311131213131314


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z78RZqEHxjI

GrumpyDog
01-22-2013, 09:15 PM
Hey, they passed the 1968 Gun Control Act legislation, primarily because the white KKK was fearful that the Black panthers had too much opportunity to get military style weapons, and guns in general, which of course would allow them to shoot the bastard KKK when they came round the neighborhood looking for the next unarmed black man to hang, and burn his house down.

Since I always admired MalcolmX, the REAL hero, and the one who took the MOST risk, in standing up for the people, then African Amercans in particular, should the the FIRST ones concerned about having their gun rights taken away. As should the people in general.

Chloe
01-22-2013, 09:36 PM
You seem to bend over backwards to be " fair" and PC and there is much to like in your approach .
But these people are writing precisely about types like this OP who seems permanently out of control , imo .
He is not alone I am sure in this Forum . I have written about them from the day I became a contributor here and it is not by chance I refer to them as Extremists and Home Terrorists -- even if they lack teeth .
America's greatest enemies are these very American types . They are dragging the country into the gutter .

He can be very nice I just think in this case, and maybe a few other times, he gets worked up fast but I don't think he is a terrorist or anything like that at all. There are a lot of very passionate people out there and if we didn't have a lot of those people then probably nothing would ever happen, good or bad. I'm sure to a lot of people on here, even though they consider me to be a nice person, still probably think I am an extremist and/or crazy.

Chloe
01-22-2013, 09:37 PM
This all goes hand in hand with the gun control hysteria. They are setting us up to label us as "potentially dangerous", and therefore unworthy of owning guns. Anyone who doesn't see this, simply doesn't want to see it.

Not only that, but this is West Point. Fucking WEST POINT.

Libs will not be happy until they incite a civil war.

I posted this in another thread.

I think some of it is a little bit of paranoia but I understand what you are saying, although I don't think liberals, in mass, are trying to start anything.

GrumpyDog
01-22-2013, 09:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mPZlysCAm0

countryboy
01-22-2013, 10:40 PM
I think some of it is a little bit of paranoia but I understand what you are saying, although I don't think liberals, in mass, are trying to start anything.

Then you are simply not paying attention. Remember how after Gabby Giffords got shot, libs were screaming from the highest mountain that we needed to tone down the rhetoric. Well, why are they now ramping up the rhetoric?

Chloe
01-22-2013, 10:42 PM
Then you are simply not paying attention. Remember how after Gabby Giffords got shot, libs were screaming from the highest mountain that we needed to tone down the rhetoric. Well, why are they now ramping up the rhetoric?

They are talking about ways to make it safer but I don't think it's as strict as people on the other side are trying to make it sound though.

countryboy
01-22-2013, 11:32 PM
They are talking about ways to make it safer but I don't think it's as strict as people on the other side are trying to make it sound though.
Don't think it's as strict as the other side is trying to make it sound? You cannot be serious. What your side is proposing would require a Constitutional amendment. Funny, I don't remember hearing "your side" even mention that. Instead, you want to do it by usurping the Constitution. Protect and uphold? Bah!

zelmo1234
01-23-2013, 02:18 AM
I realise it is ghastly for you to gradually see that you have been on the wrong side for such a long time .
Just let all your frustration and upset to the surface ad then take big breaths .
It's a bit of a downer for you to see specialist internal bodies confirming my consistent views .You have run out of ideas and inspiration . God bless Obama .
You have failed abysmally to prove any of those matters you fondly imagine you have addressed .
You are old world relics , and pragmatists like myself know it is a waste of time and effort trying to change old minds that are no longer flexible, tolerant and adaptable .
As long as you are herded into identifiable groups , decent people have not too much to worry about . Admittedly in Obama's shoes I would be much more pragmatic and literally remove the cancer spearheads ,but that is just one reason I am not in his shoes .
Increasingly , decent people have got to assert and reassert future values and as the future holds no great position for the American white male, we need to build a new world that demonstrates and is then shaped on that simple demographic fact .
Not a world mortgaged to and for white men and is founded on corruption and backed by guns .

Please note that this is the mind set that we are facing today.

Notice that Cary has still never disputed the facts! As a matter of fact he will go out of his way to ignore them becasue they destroy his entire beleif system.

You will note that further down the statement he issues his desire for any opposition to hsi liveral values to be iliminated. which his pas heros of liveralism have alwasy used the tool of mass murder of theri populations.

As a country this is waht we are facing, and the only thing that stands in the way is in fact the first and second amendment. which are openly under attack. He uses the best tools of the left to bring hatred and division to the people, class warfare, racism, and guns, just like our President.

Today even the liberal media started to become worried about there king? Today we witnessed the power grab of yesterday, awaken a few? Adn I have hope.

Cary while not american, demonstrats the american problem. many liberals have taken a position of superior thinking and disreguard of the facts. and are now willing to turn to violence so there agenda, and beliefs do not fall apart under the pressure of reality

Carygrant
01-23-2013, 04:25 AM
El Mo ,
You haven't even suggested a fact in this Topic . And it's therefore a bit difficult to acknowledge matters that are , at best , locked in your mind. That is , undeclared .
On other matters you were shown that the best data of Violence on a country comparison basis was Homicides . The US figure was around four times greater than the UK --- a shocking stat .
For some reason you brought Suicide rates into the discussion but using WHO data I showed you that the US position was dire and far worse than the UK , for example.
Chris produced one or two cartoon graphs but they were either not relevant ( data finishing in1992) or better indicators of the complete opposite of what was suggested .
You are muddled and seemingly you are forgetful .Take a time out .

zelmo1234
01-23-2013, 07:46 AM
Cary all of the facts have been posted many times, as I have said before when you add all of your murders, and then the sucicides as are in the US numbers, and then take it as a percentage of the population you are neraly twice as likely to come to a violent end in your country as the USA.

this has been posted time and time again, You have NEVER posted any facts to dispute it only Liberal babble.

You say that because you say so it is that the UK does a better job of reporting crimes. yet still no proof in the pudding, Just Carys word and his self proclaimed importance.

Carygrant
01-23-2013, 08:24 AM
Cary all of the facts have been posted many times, as I have said before when you add all of your murders, and then the sucicides as are in the US numbers, and then take it as a percentage of the population you are neraly twice as likely to come to a violent end in your country as the USA.

this has been posted time and time again, You have NEVER posted any facts to dispute it only Liberal babble.You say that because you say so it is that the UK does a better job of reporting crimes. yet still no proof in the pudding, Just Carys word and his self proclaimed importance.

El Mo .
Your brilliant idea of presenting the data in your recommended way has one huge problem .
That is how all of the data are already presented .
So we are back where we were before your last unfortunate missive .
You getting it all wrong and me supplying the best data available , sourced from the WHO and UNODC .
You would be best served by retiring from this Topic and finding a new one .

Incidentally , the comments relating to methodology when trying to use inter country comparisons are from the International researchers . There should be several hundred sites where that point is made .I am confident that you can find one of them .