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Peter1469
12-04-2018, 10:39 PM
Camille Page on Dems and 2020 (https://spectator.us/camille-paglia-hillary-trump/)

Page, a democrat and feminist doesn't have much good to say about her party in 2020 with the assumption that the economy is still good.


You’ve been a sharp political prognosticator over the years. So can I start by asking for a prediction. What will happen in 2020 in America? Will Hillary Clinton run again?

If the economy continues strong, Trump will be reelected. The Democrats (my party) have been in chaos since the 2016 election and have no coherent message except Trump hatred. Despite the vast pack of potential candidates, no one yet seems to have the edge. I had high hopes for Kamala Harris, but she missed a huge opportunity to play a moderating, statesmanlike role and has already imprinted an image of herself as a ruthless inquisitor that will make it hard for her to pull voters across party lines.


Screechy Elizabeth Warren has never had a snowball’s chance in hell to appeal beyond upper-middle-class professionals of her glossy stripe. Kirsten Gillibrand is a wobbly mediocrity. Cory Booker has all the gravitas of a cork. Andrew Cuomo is a yapping puppy with a long, muddy bullyboy tail. Both Bernie Sanders (for whom I voted in the 2016 primaries) and Joe Biden (who would have won the election had Obama not cut him off at the knees) are way too old and creaky.


To win in the nation’s broad midsection, the Democratic nominee will need to project steadiness, substance, and warmth. I’ve been looking at Congresswoman Cheri Bustos of Illinois and Governor Steve Bullock of Montana. As for Hillary (https://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/10/the-woman-is-a-disaster-camille-paglia-on-hillary-clinton/), she’s pretty much damaged goods, but her perpetual, sniping, pity-me tour shows no signs of abating. She still has a rabidly loyal following, but it’s hard to imagine her winning the nomination again, with her iron grip on the Democratic National Committee now gone. Still, it’s in her best interest to keep the speculation fires burning. Given how thoroughly she has already sabotaged the rising candidates by hogging the media spotlight, I suspect she wants Trump to win again. I don’t see our stumbling, hacking, shop-worn Evita yielding the spotlight willingly to any younger gal.


Has Trump governed erratically?


Yes, that’s a fair description. It’s partly because as a non-politician he arrived in Washington without the battalion of allies, advisors, and party flacks that a senator or governor would normally accumulate on the long road to the White House. Trump’s administration is basically a one-man operation, with him relying on gut instinct and sometimes madcap improvisation. There’s often a gonzo humor to it — not that the US president should be slinging barbs at bottom-feeding celebrities or jackass journalists, much as they may deserve it. It’s like a picaresque novel starring a jaunty rogue who takes to Twitter like Tristram Shandy’s asterisk-strewn diary. Trump’s unpredictability might be giving the nation jitters, but it may have put North Korea, at least, on the back foot.


Most Democrats have wildly underestimated Trump from the get-go. I was certainly surprised at how easily he mowed down 17 other candidates in the GOP primaries. He represents widespread popular dissatisfaction with politics as usual. Both major US parties are in turmoil and metamorphosis, as their various factions war and realign. The mainstream media’s nonstop assault on Trump has certainly backfired by cementing his outsider status. He is basically a pragmatic deal-maker, indifferent to ideology. As with Bolsonaro in Brazil, Trump rose because of decades of failure by the political establishment to address urgent systemic problems, including corruption at high levels. Democrats must hammer out their own image and agenda and stop self-destructively insulting half the electorate by treating Trump like Satan.

There is much more at the link.

Common
12-04-2018, 10:42 PM
Interesting I agree with her assessment of the democrat candidates

Mister D
12-04-2018, 10:48 PM
I'm not particularly interested in her perspective on 2020. Besides, it's too early but I do find Paglia interesting. She's a feminist that takes anthropology and biology seriously. Not a safe space feminist.

Tahuyaman
12-04-2018, 11:05 PM
I think the dynamic of Trump makes it difficult to predict anything. Then add in the factor of several absolute whack job Democrats who are considered candidates. Whatever happens, it's going to be entertaining.

Chris
12-04-2018, 11:07 PM
She has a sharp wit and tongue:


Does the ‘deep state’ exist? If so, what is it?

The deep state is no myth but a sodden, intertwined mass of bloated, self-replicating bureaucracy that constitutes the real power in Washington and that stubbornly outlasts every administration....


She gets along with Jordon Peterson, also in link.

Tahuyaman
12-04-2018, 11:10 PM
He represents widespread popular dissatisfaction with politics as usual.


Both major US parties are in turmoil and metamorphosis, as their various factions war and realign.


The mainstream media’s nonstop assault on Trump has certainly backfired by cementing his outsider status. He is basically a pragmatic deal-maker, indifferent to ideology.

I agree with all of that.

Peter1469
12-05-2018, 07:53 AM
I agree with all of that.

Yes, she is spot on.

mamooth
12-05-2018, 03:50 PM
Camille Paglia is still alive?

Poor thing. She was relevant for about 15 minutes in 1996. I especially enjoyed her speeches about how Madonna was the greatest entertainer in human history.

She's sort of that era's version of Jordan Peterson. Had that little fanatical cult following that couldn't figure out she wasn't actually saying anything of interest.

Peter1469
12-05-2018, 03:57 PM
Camille Paglia is still alive?

Poor thing. She was relevant for about 15 minutes in 1996. I especially enjoyed her speeches about how Madonna was the greatest entertainer in human history.

She's sort of that era's version of Jordan Peterson. Had that little fanatical cult following that couldn't figure out she wasn't actually saying anything of interest.

Opinion that rubs you raw, why counter it. Just attack.

Bravo.

jimmyz
12-05-2018, 04:23 PM
"Cory Booker has all the gravitas of a cork" LOLOLOL

Chris
12-05-2018, 04:26 PM
Camille Paglia is still alive?

Poor thing. She was relevant for about 15 minutes in 1996. I especially enjoyed her speeches about how Madonna was the greatest entertainer in human history.

She's sort of that era's version of Jordan Peterson. Had that little fanatical cult following that couldn't figure out she wasn't actually saying anything of interest.


She sure seems to ring your bell.

zachroidott
12-05-2018, 05:03 PM
Camille Paglia is still alive?

Poor thing. She was relevant for about 15 minutes in 1996. I especially enjoyed her speeches about how Madonna was the greatest entertainer in human history.

She's sort of that era's version of Jordan Peterson. Had that little fanatical cult following that couldn't figure out she wasn't actually saying anything of interest.

That doesn't sound bitter at all. Your this era's what exactly?

Helena
12-05-2018, 07:27 PM
Good read. Thank you!

Peter1469
12-05-2018, 07:39 PM
Good read. Thank you!

Page is a rare intellectual in our society.

Tahuyaman
12-05-2018, 07:55 PM
She sure seems to ring your bell.
She’s intelligent, well spoken and very reasonable. Some dudes are intimidated by that.

mamooth
12-08-2018, 07:42 PM
Opinion that rubs you raw, why counter it. Just attack.

As you seem to be very devoted, please describe for us what you regard as especially insightful pearls of wisdom from Paglia or Peterson.

My point is that there aren't any. There are lots of fanboys declaring how brilliant they are, but even when pressed, they can't point to anything brilliant they've said.

zachroidott
12-08-2018, 08:34 PM
As you seem to be very devoted, please describe for us what you regard as especially insightful pearls of wisdom from Paglia or Peterson.

My point is that there aren't any. There are lots of fanboys declaring how brilliant they are, but even when pressed, they can't point to anything brilliant they've said.

An intellectual pathway that isn't inspired by resentment and phantom oppressions is just refreshing.

Peter1469
12-08-2018, 08:34 PM
As you seem to be very devoted, please describe for us what you regard as especially insightful pearls of wisdom from Paglia or Peterson.

My point is that there aren't any. There are lots of fanboys declaring how brilliant they are, but even when pressed, they can't point to anything brilliant they've said.
Page and her insights are the topic.