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Just AnotherPerson
12-11-2018, 06:49 PM
Tomorrow the Senate will vote on SJRes54 https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/senate-will-vote-on-sanders-yemen-resolution-tomorrow to end the unconstitutional war and end our assistance in the Yemen genocide.


Ro Khanna has 93 co sponsors H.CON.Res138 for final passage to go to Trumps desk it has to be reconciled in Joint Committee between Senate & House before they adjourn on the 115th congress on 12/14 https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-concurrent-resolution/138?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%22138%22%7D&r=12

In November in Yemen it was the deadliest month so far over 3,000 people were killed. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/yemen-war-death-toll-saudi-arabia-coalition-military-assistance-uk-a8678376.html


International committee of the Red Cross warns conditions are expected to worsen even if peace talks are successful. They have reported that 2.9 million women and children are severely malnourished and at risk of death. https://www.voanews.com/a/icrc-conditions-in-yemen-expected-to-worsen-even-if-peace-takes-hold/4696364.html

30% of airstrikes targeted civilians. America provided Saudi with Satellite targeting intelligence, munitions, air craft, and air refueling and could amount to possible war crimes. https://www.mcall.com/opinion/letters/mc-rea-motsay-yemen-civil-war-20181210-story.html

Peter1469
12-11-2018, 06:57 PM
The US did not commit any war crimes. We only pass on actual intel of enemy positions.

Just AnotherPerson
12-12-2018, 05:01 PM
C-Span live on Yemen https://www.c-span.org/video/?455655-1/us-senate-debates-yemen-war-resolution

Just AnotherPerson
12-12-2018, 05:52 PM
So far senate voted to proceed on Yemen war powers resolution 60-39 https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=115&session=2&vote=00261

They are debating it now.....Link in post #3 above

Paul Ryan slips in another last minute rule on an unrelated bill to block vote on ending war in Yemen https://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2018/12/12/house-gop-leadership-thwarts-democracy-once-again-blocking-votes-yemen

Senate establishes precedent for debating war power authority https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/senate-establishes-germaness-test-war-powers-amendments

Peter1469
12-12-2018, 05:56 PM
There is no authority outside of attacking AQAI in Yemen.

Just AnotherPerson
12-12-2018, 07:41 PM
Sens. Graham & Menendez on Response to Khashoggi Death
https://www.c-span.org/video/?455868-1/senators-graham-menendez-outline-response-khashoggi-killing (https://www.c-span.org/video/?455868-1/senators-graham-menendez-outline-response-khashoggi-killing)


House GOP blocks lawmakers from forcing Yemen war votes for rest of year
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/421044-house-gop-blocks-lawmakers-from-forcing-yemen-war-votes-for-rest-of-year


Senate moves toward vote on ending support for Saudi-led war. Senators were expected to hold a final vote today, but are still debating vote is expected to take place on Thursday
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/421124-senate-moves-toward-vote-on-ending-support-for-saudi-led-war

Just AnotherPerson
12-13-2018, 05:05 PM
The New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/13/us/politics/yemen-saudi-war-pompeo-mattis.html




WASHINGTON — The Senate voted resoundingly on Thursday to withdraw American military assistance for Saudi Arabia’s war in Yemen, issuing the latest in a series of stinging bipartisan rebukes of President Trump for his defense of the kingdom amid outrage in both parties over Riyadh’s role in the killing of a dissident journalist.
The 56-to-41 vote was a rare move by the Senate to limit presidential war powers and send a potent message of official disapproval for a nearly four-year conflict that has killed thousands of civilians and brought famine to Yemen (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/20/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-invisible-war-yemen.html?module=inline). Its immediate effect was largely symbolic, after the House earlier this week moved to scuttle it, all but assuring that the measure will expire this year without making it to Mr. Trump’s desk.
But the action signaled a growing sense of urgency among lawmakers in both parties to punish Saudi Arabia for its role in the brutal killing of the journalist Jamal Khashoggi, and to question a decades-old bipartisan tradition of Washington averting its gaze from human rights abuses and other wrongdoing by the kingdom in the interest of preserving a strategically important relationship in the Middle East.
Senators also approved, by a voice vote, a resolution to hold Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, the heir to the kingdom’s throne, personally responsible for Mr. Khashoggi’s killing. The nonbinding measure also calls on Saudi Arabia to “moderate its increasingly erratic foreign policy” and urges an end to American air-to-air refueling of bombers operating in Yemen.






The United States stopped refueling Saudi warplanes operating in Yemen last month; the resolution would keep the Pentagon from restarting that support.
[Read about how American-made bombs kill civilians in Yemen. (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/11/magazine/war-yemen-american-bomb-strike.html?module=inline)]
With the moves, senators were breaking forcefully with Mr. Trump, who has maintained steadfast support (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/16/world/middleeast/pompeo-saudi-arabia-turkey.html?module=inline) for Saudi Arabia and Prince Mohammed, even though the C.I.A. has concluded (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/02/us/politics/crown-prince-mohammed-qahtani-intercepts.html?module=inline) that he directed the grisly assassination of Mr. Khashoggi inside its consulate in Istanbul in October.

Just AnotherPerson
12-13-2018, 05:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dUn6yyYfck


USA Today
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/12/13/donald-trump-senate-votes-end-u-s-support-yemen-war-jamal-khashoggi/2296155002/

CBS
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/senate-votes-to-end-u-s-support-for-saudi-war-in-yemen/

ABC
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/senate-votes-stop-us-support-yemen-war-condemns/story?id=59797570

BBC
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46561520

FOX
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/senate-passes-resolution-calling-for-end-to-military-assistance-for-saudis-in-yemen

Aljazeera
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/12/defying-trump-senate-approves-yemen-resolution-181213201629972.html

The Gaurdian
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/13/senate-yemen-saudis-trump-resolution

Reuters
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-saudi-yemen-idUSKBN1OC2S3

MisterVeritis
12-13-2018, 05:16 PM
Won't it be ironic if the Yemenis suffering increases as a result of this vote?

Captain Obvious
12-13-2018, 05:30 PM
"It's immediate effect was largely symbolic"... pretty much the nutshell here

I thought the figure you quoted was something stupid like 10's of thousands dying daily in one of your bedshit walls of text and video threads

Captain Obvious
12-13-2018, 05:31 PM
Bedshitters love symbolism though, they have no grasp of reality

Ethereal
12-13-2018, 05:32 PM
Won't it be ironic if Yemini suffering increases as a result of this vote?

Not as ironic as if the US government actually obeyed the constitution for once.

Ethereal
12-13-2018, 05:35 PM
"It's immediate effect was largely symbolic"... pretty much the nutshell here

I thought the figure you quoted was something stupid like 10's of thousands dying daily in one of your bed$#@! walls of text and video threads
A small step in the right direction is better than nothing.

MisterVeritis
12-13-2018, 05:36 PM
Won't it be ironic if Yemini suffering increases as a result of this vote?

Not as ironic as if the US government actually obeyed the constitution for once.
We may agree on the Constitution. If, as has been reported, we offer targeting information to the Saudis but now we stop, and the Saudi's are forced to rely on their own best guesses isn't it likely more innocent people will be harmed?

Ethereal
12-13-2018, 05:41 PM
We may agree on the Constitution. If, as has been reported, we offer targeting information to the Saudis but now we stop, and the Saudi's are forced to rely on their own best guesses isn't it likely more innocent people will be harmed?

I could only guess. All I know is that the US has not declared war against the Houthis, which makes any war with the Houthis, to include support operations, unconstitutional and unlawful. I also know that Houthi operations in Yemen have no clear nexus to US national security. Given this, the only proper course of action is to withdraw US support and to remain neutral. We have more than enough problems right here in America that require our attention.

Peter1469
12-13-2018, 05:53 PM
The real news- the Senate realizes it has a constitutional role in war. Congratulations team. Better late than never I guess.

Captain Obvious
12-13-2018, 06:59 PM
A small step in the right direction is better than nothing.
I guess...

MisterVeritis
12-13-2018, 07:15 PM
I could only guess. All I know is that the US has not declared war against the Houthis, which makes any war with the Houthis, to include support operations, unconstitutional and unlawful. I also know that Houthi operations in Yemen have no clear nexus to US national security. Given this, the only proper course of action is to withdraw US support and to remain neutral. We have more than enough problems right here in America that require our attention.
I do not disagree. If the President wants to wage war let the Congress debate it and declare it.

Orion Rules
12-14-2018, 01:44 PM
I do not disagree. If the President wants to wage war let the Congress debate it and declare it.

A government of the people, by the people, for the people is what the white American Founding aspects gave to government.

The secularists were those who scripted Isaiah 9:6 into the hieroglyphs that Ptah is the Most High God they had walked with, as the scriptures say God walked among men, and Sehkmet is not His wife, she is the sister of Bastet.

Bastet is the mother of all cats.

What kind of Goddess is Sekhmet?

In Egyptian mythology, Sekhmet (also spelled Sachmet, Sakhet, Sekmet, Sakhmet and Sekhet; and given the Greek name, Sacmis), was originally the warrior goddess of Upper Egypt. She is depicted as a lioness, the fiercest hunter known to the Egyptians. It was said that her breath created the desert.

The torture of animals so that evil may dominate the Kingdom of God is east.

Peace will be made with the Hezbollah leader.

We the People decided against no more war when they voted or did not vote, because that is still a vote.

Now, 1/2 the country may have Hillary Clinton as their President and the other half of the country the half votes.

The half votes that Mr. Trump is the official signed as sworn-in President who waged a war against the pheasants.

So, Hillary is as holly in time for a seat at the United Nations explaining to the world why war is wrong to it paints,

It paints a nation as a pariah on peace talks because the sod nations would run out of oil in time forth those ports.

The sell-out of a nation as the F.B.I. plays by the rules, while those who do not feign they are not about passports.

zachroidott
12-14-2018, 04:27 PM
Wtf

Captdon
12-14-2018, 07:25 PM
It won't effect anything. If it is a law Trump will pocket veto it. There will never be a time when it can become law over his veto.

Just AnotherPerson
12-14-2018, 10:05 PM
This thread is not a celebratory thread, but it is a hopeful thread. There is a high likelihood that it will get vetoed by Trump when it goes to his desk, but at least congress is trying. Trump has done everything possibly in his power to stand by Saudi, and keep us involved, he has no plans of stopping. But the people of this nation, and congress will not give up and stand idly by while a genocide is underway with our assistance.

I watched a video about the guys who found the Titanic, they were originally commisioned to find a lost submarine, and doing that job helped them to find the Titanic. When they finally did find it they burst out in celebration, until they realized they were staning on the graves of all who died there. Then they all stopped celebrating and were ashamed.

This story is similar in that millions are starving, and many of them will not survive still, even if we end the bombing and start allowing aid in. For many it is far too late. In this case a win is not a win. There are no winners in this one. We just want to prevent further death. We may never know how many people have died. The latest count is 85K and that is conservative and it is only children under five and that does not count the 85K who have died from military action. It is said that one child dies every 10 mins in Yemen. Well you do the math.

And to Captain Obvious You are talking really greasy to me about my posts here. I posted many links on Yemen with many different death counts. You call it walls of texts. But I give lots of alternate links for people to look into it for themselves. I give many links with different death tolls so we can just see what news is out there. I am just reporting what is being reported, your attacks here are uncalled for. I care about what is happening in Yemen, and so I find every possible news source and share it. I do not have to verify every single link I share. It is for us to look into.

I see you making threads about Khashoggi and it seems that you think you are the only one who is allowed to care. You talk crap to me for caring but I see you doing the exact same thing in other threads.

Captain Obvious
12-14-2018, 10:07 PM
This thread is not a celebratory thread, but it is a hopeful thread. There is a high likelihood that it will get vetoed by Trump when it goes to his desk, but at least congress is trying. Trump has done everything possibly in his power to stand by Saudi, and keep us involved, he has no plans of stopping. But the people of this nation, and congress will not give up and stand idly by while a genocide is underway with our assistance.

I watched a video about the guys who found the Titanic, they were originally commisioned to find a lost submarine, and doing that job helped them to find the Titanic. When they finally did find it they burst out in celebration, until they realized they were staning on the graves of all who died there. Then they all stopped celebrating and were ashamed.

This story is similar in that millions are starving, and many of them will not survive still, even if we end the bombing and start allowing aid in. For many it is far too late. In this case a win is not a win. There are no winners in this one. We just want to prevent further death. We may never know how many people have died. The latest count is 85K and that is conservative and it is only children under five and that does not count the 85K who have died from military action. It is said that one child dies every 10 mins in Yemen. Well you do the math.

And to @Captain Obvious (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=3) You are talking really greasy to me about my posts here. I posted many links on Yemen with many different death counts. You call it walls of texts. But I give lots of alternate links for people to look into it for themselves. I give many links with different death tolls so we can just see what news is out there. I am just reporting what is being reported, your attacks here are uncalled for. I care about what is happening in Yemen, and so I find every possible news source and share it. I do not have to verify every single link I share. It is for us to look into.

I see you making threads about Khashoggi and it seems that you think you are the only one who is allowed to care. You talk crap to me for caring but I see you doing the exact same thing in other threads.

I care, about a lot of things but I'm also realistic.

I struggle with wondering if your approach is realistic or practical.

That's all it is. I really don't know if you're just looking for attention or trying to make a valid point. I struggle with that a lot.

Just AnotherPerson
12-14-2018, 10:29 PM
I care, about a lot of things but I'm also realistic.

I struggle with wondering if your approach is realistic or practical.

That's all it is. I really don't know if you're just looking for attention or trying to make a valid point. I struggle with that a lot.

One thing is for sure I am not looking for attention. Why would I subject myself to being abused as attention? I am just bringing the facts that I care about the most, the best I can, regardless how I am treated for doing it. I am not the attention type. But I do truly care about many things, and I will not just give up on them. Yemen is one that is too huge to ignore. I posted on it often, because it is the larges humanitarian disaster in the world. I cannot just go about living my life as normal, when I know millions could die, and that my own nation is partaking in making it happen.

I post news links from many sources all of the time, because sometimes the information is different it is good to look at all of it so that we can make our own best educated guesses. I have never once tried to deceive anyone. My main issue with Yemen has been our involvement in it. I find that our involvement in a purposeful genocide is unacceptable.

Captain Obvious
12-15-2018, 12:15 AM
One thing is for sure I am not looking for attention. Why would I subject myself to being abused as attention? I am just bringing the facts that I care about the most, the best I can, regardless how I am treated for doing it. I am not the attention type. But I do truly care about many things, and I will not just give up on them. Yemen is one that is too huge to ignore. I posted on it often, because it is the larges humanitarian disaster in the world. I cannot just go about living my life as normal, when I know millions could die, and that my own nation is partaking in making it happen.

I post news links from many sources all of the time, because sometimes the information is different it is good to look at all of it so that we can make our own best educated guesses. I have never once tried to deceive anyone. My main issue with Yemen has been our involvement in it. I find that our involvement in a purposeful genocide is unacceptable.

The internet is weird and weird things happen on it.

You haven't sold me on it by a longshot.

It's one thing to be humanitarian about issues, it's another thing to understand what's actually happening, who the bad and good guys are and all of that.

I don't want to see anyone dying or suffering like probably most anyone else does but what's to be done?

The bad guys are more often than not the one's that you and many others are supporting.

Just AnotherPerson
12-15-2018, 01:09 AM
The internet is weird and weird things happen on it.

You haven't sold me on it by a longshot.

It's one thing to be humanitarian about issues, it's another thing to understand what's actually happening, who the bad and good guys are and all of that.

I don't want to see anyone dying or suffering like probably most anyone else does but what's to be done?

The bad guys are more often than not the one's that you and many others are supporting.

I am not trying to sell anything to you..... I post news links. I give my comments and opinions. You do the same exact thing. I don't need to sell anything to you.

I am purely a humanitarian and I don't care if you think that or not. Actions speak louder than words. If you look through all of my start threads titles you will see my actions. I go back a few years posting here and I am still the same, and care about the same issues still. I am consistent.

You are saying I am on a side here about Yemen. The disaster in Yemen is not about taking sides. It is about ending the death and suffering of an entire nation of innocent civilians. I want US hands off Yemen. I do not agree with OUR nation being involved. We are the bad guys. I do understand what is happening in Yemen. I understand it well. My focus is on the death tolls and our part in it. Not only that the violation of our constitution is very unsettling.

You are insinuating things about me that you know nothing about. You are saying all this because I posted news updates on the Yemen genocide? And said I wanted our nation to not be involved? I don't get it. Please do prove to me what you are saying about me here.

I have faced forceful resistance by many here in this forum just for posting news links and updates about Yemen. This makes no sense. Yemen is censored in the Main Stream media and here in the forum as well. But I posted anyways. I was ridiculed, cussed at, made fun of. But I just kept posting even with all that resistance and hate.

But captain you were pretty vile towards me regarding Yemen news links. Why is it that you can post links and others can post links but if I post them its wrong? Why do I need to sell myself to you? I am just bringing information for those who would like to look at it. It is simple if you don't like my information then just ignore my threads.

And how did you come up with all that about me choosing a side? I am on the side of the dying children of Yemen. Than means no arms deals, no military assistance. I do not want my tax dollars to go towards bombing little children and starving them to death. I also don't want my nation to benefit from arms deals by trading it for the blood of children not in Yemen, not in Syria not anywhere. These are unconscionable crimes against humanity. Our once respectable nation should not be doing this. We have become the lords of death and destruction.

I don't agree with it!

Peter1469
12-15-2018, 04:10 AM
What if the US steps back and Saudi Arabia no longer has external pressure to follow the laws of land warfare, and the civilian deaths go up?

Orion Rules
12-15-2018, 01:05 PM
What if the US steps back and Saudi Arabia no longer has external pressure to follow the laws of land warfare, and the civilian deaths go up?

Israel is already involved inside of that supposed upward stance, that the Israelis already heard all about it. Do you think the Saud Prince cares about anyone but himself as that has been the circumstances of 'bite it'.

Peter1469
12-15-2018, 01:36 PM
Israel is already involved inside of that supposed upward stance, that the Israelis already heard all about it. Do you think the Saud Prince cares about anyone but himself as that has been the circumstances of 'bite it'.

Yes, the Saudi crown prince cares about others. He has enacted by far the most pro-woman reforms in the Kingdom's history.

Orion Rules
12-15-2018, 02:13 PM
Yes, the Saudi crown prince cares about others. He has enacted by far the most pro-woman reforms in Kingdom's history.


Yortsih S'modgnik ni namow-orp tsom eht raf yb detcane sah eh. Yes, so the Crown Prince cares about others. But you spelled his name backwards.

The Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia you wrote of, and by Moses, but your name is not. Saudi Arabia will be glad to be done with you for their feathers.

One ton of bricks poured inside his calibaster of weaponry to watchful for all embattlement. Is a redacted clown a better word for how he hosts to says?

Peter1469
12-15-2018, 02:36 PM
Yortsih S'modgnik ni namow-orp tsom eht raf yb detcane sah eh. Yes, so the Crown Prince cares about others. But you spelled his name backwards.

The Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia you wrote of, and by Moses, but your name is not. Saudi Arabia will be glad to be done with you for their feathers.

One ton of bricks poured inside his calibaster of weaponry to watchful for all embattlement. Is a redacted clown a better word for how he hosts to says?
What he said. :shocked: