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Peter1469
12-20-2018, 08:03 AM
Bernie top progressive candidate for 2020 (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/bernie-sanders-top-choice-of-progressives-in-2020)

Bernie is the leading progressive candidate, but will he live that long? The younger generations seem to want to move on from the Boomer and older generations, yet Bernie has captured their hearts.


The progressive wing of the Democratic Party, vying to control the 2020 presidential primaries, wants Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders — by a country mile.

A survey of over 94,000 self-identified progressives, provided to Secrets, has Sanders with 36 percent support, nearly three times his closest competitor, former Vice President Joe Biden.


The poll was the first on 2020 from Democracy for America, (https://www.democracyforamerica.com/) which has promised to pressure Democrats to adopt progressive stands and policies.

zachroidott
12-20-2018, 08:15 AM
That's gonna be hard on them when they find out the rest of the Democrats know how to do math from managing their donation finances.

Standing Wolf
12-20-2018, 08:33 AM
I still have my doubts whether a self-identified Socialist is electable in a national election in America. I understand the Progressives' concerns, but practically speaking - Sanders will be 79 years old in 2020, among other considerations. A younger, less controversial alternative is bound to emerge in the next year or so. But what Progressives need to understand and appreciate is that getting out the vote for whoever the Democratic candidate eventually turns out to be needs to be the Number One priority, even if he or she wasn't their first choice.

Assuming that Trump is still in office in November of 2020 and is the Republican candidate - neither of which is a given, at this point - every level-headed American of voting age, regardless of their political beliefs or affiliations, will need to take a good, hard look at what they have and what they want in a President and make their selection based on what is best for the country as a whole...not on who shouts the loudest, provides a good laugh, makes dumb promises or appeals to their worse natures. The Democratic candidate in 2020 is going to have to appeal to Independent voters - even right-leaning ones - and Republicans who are sufficiently embarrassed and disappointed by Trump that they will cross Party lines for a better alternative.

Peter1469
12-20-2018, 08:45 AM
I still have my doubts whether a self-identified Socialist is electable in a national election in America. I understand the Progressives' concerns, but practically speaking - Sanders will be 79 years old in 2020, among other considerations. A younger, less controversial alternative is bound to emerge in the next year or so. But what Progressives need to understand and appreciate is that getting out the vote for whoever the Democratic candidate eventually turns out to be needs to be the Number One priority, even if he or she wasn't their first choice.

Assuming that Trump is still in office in November of 2020 and is the Republican candidate - neither of which is a given, at this point - every level-headed American of voting age, regardless of their political beliefs or affiliations, will need to take a good, hard look at what they have and what they want in a President and make their selection based on what is best for the country as a whole...not on who shouts the loudest, provides a good laugh, makes dumb promises or appeals to their worse natures. The Democratic candidate in 2020 is going to have to appeal to Independent voters - even right-leaning ones - and Republicans who are sufficiently embarrassed and disappointed by Trump that they will cross Party lines for a better alternative.

There is little to no chance that any democrat on the ticket will be deemed a better alternative by right leaning independents. Democrats are vigorously opposed to small government and any reading of the Constitution that is not as a "living" document. Hopefully one of the Constitution-based 3rd parties can select a good candidate.

Common
12-20-2018, 09:26 AM
Im betting the democrat nomination will be Biden/Orourke ticket

Peter1469
12-20-2018, 09:27 AM
Biden can likely capture a good bit of the progressive left.

Common
12-20-2018, 09:28 AM
Bernie and Warren are dead in the water, the democrats are going to experience the purge just like republicans. The babyboomers are coming to an end and there will be another wave of younger politicians.

Peter1469
12-20-2018, 09:31 AM
Bernie and Warren are dead in the water, the democrats are going to experience the purge just like republicans. The babyboomers are coming to an end and there will be another wave of younger politicians.

Yes, that is the way it goes. Hopefully the ones who come next haven't tossed their copy of the Constitution into the trash.

Captdon
12-20-2018, 10:43 AM
I still have my doubts whether a self-identified Socialist is electable in a national election in America. I understand the Progressives' concerns, but practically speaking - Sanders will be 79 years old in 2020, among other considerations. A younger, less controversial alternative is bound to emerge in the next year or so. But what Progressives need to understand and appreciate is that getting out the vote for whoever the Democratic candidate eventually turns out to be needs to be the Number One priority, even if he or she wasn't their first choice.

Assuming that Trump is still in office in November of 2020 and is the Republican candidate - neither of which is a given, at this point - every level-headed American of voting age, regardless of their political beliefs or affiliations, will need to take a good, hard look at what they have and what they want in a President and make their selection based on what is best for the country as a whole...not on who shouts the loudest, provides a good laugh, makes dumb promises or appeals to their worse natures. The Democratic candidate in 2020 is going to have to appeal to Independent voters - even right-leaning ones - and Republicans who are sufficiently embarrassed and disappointed by Trump that they will cross Party lines for a better alternative.

Very humorous. Republicans are going to vote for Trump. He has an approval among them running at 90%. He will get the majority of the Independents who won't ever vote for a socialist. That's all the Democrats will nominate.

Trump will be President for six more years. Hate to burst your bubble but reality is a heartless bitch.

Tahuyaman
12-20-2018, 11:37 AM
Bernie top progressive candidate for 2020I thought we've been told that most want younger people representing them in high positions of authority?

Tahuyaman
12-20-2018, 11:40 AM
Very humorous. Republicans are going to vote for Trump. He has an approval among them running at 90%. He will get the majority of the Independents who won't ever vote for a socialist. That's all the Democrats will nominate.

Trump will be President for six more years. Hate to burst your bubble but reality is a heartless $#@!.


It depends on who runs as a third part candidates. This could be a year where that candidate can attract enough support to change the election. Like when Perot got enough support to deny George HW Bush reelection.

Peter1469
12-20-2018, 12:47 PM
It depends on who runs as a third part candidates. This could be a year where that candidate can attract enough support to change the election. Like when Perot got enough support to deny George HW Bush reelection.
If a 3rd party harms the GOP it is a GOP issue- people leave them for good reasons. And I will be damned to hell before I vote for trash to keep worse trash out of office.

Tahuyaman
12-20-2018, 01:04 PM
If a 3rd party harms the GOP it is a GOP issue- people leave them for good reasons. And I will be damned to hell before I vote for trash to keep worse trash out of office.

I agree. However, you can't assume a president will be reelected when he has no named opponant. Things change when the opponant is an actual person with stated views.

ManyWants
01-10-2019, 07:14 PM
I still have my doubts whether a self-identified Socialist is electable in a national election in America. I understand the Progressives' concerns, but practically speaking - Sanders will be 79 years old in 2020, among other considerations. A younger, less controversial alternative is bound to emerge in the next year or so. But what Progressives need to understand and appreciate is that getting out the vote for whoever the Democratic candidate eventually turns out to be needs to be the Number One priority, even if he or she wasn't their first choice.

Assuming that Trump is still in office in November of 2020 and is the Republican candidate - neither of which is a given, at this point - every level-headed American of voting age, regardless of their political beliefs or affiliations, will need to take a good, hard look at what they have and what they want in a President and make their selection based on what is best for the country as a whole...not on who shouts the loudest, provides a good laugh, makes dumb promises or appeals to their worse natures. The Democratic candidate in 2020 is going to have to appeal to Independent voters - even right-leaning ones - and Republicans who are sufficiently embarrassed and disappointed by Trump that they will cross Party lines for a better alternative.

I’m not so sure there is a viable alternative to Bernie out there, for the democratic socialist crowd. Closest I can think of, in terms of candidates with a reasonable chance of running, would be Jeff Merkley or Tulsi Gabbard, neither of whom are necessarily that much like Bernie, but each of whom supported Bernie over Clinton. I think the idealist supporters of Bernie will stick with him, age be damned.

But I also think Bernie’s coalition of voters will be much smaller than last time around, because a good many of them supported Bernie not because they were democratic socialists themselves, but because he simply wasn’t Clinton. Now that we’ll have 10, 20 candidates in the Dem race, I can only imagine Bernie’s supporters will be a much smaller crowd.

donttread
01-10-2019, 07:26 PM
Bernie top progressive candidate for 2020 (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/bernie-sanders-top-choice-of-progressives-in-2020)

Bernie is the leading progressive candidate, but will he live that long? The younger generations seem to want to move on from the Boomer and older generations, yet Bernie has captured their hearts.

As long as wealth keeps moving up and upward mobility down the socialist will have a foothold. a foothold provided by those who hate them most

MisterVeritis
01-10-2019, 07:28 PM
As long as wealth keeps moving up and upward mobility down the socialist will have a foothold. a foothold provided by those who hate them most
...people like you?

Peter1469
01-10-2019, 07:30 PM
As long as wealth keeps moving up and upward mobility down the socialist will have a foothold. a foothold provided by those who hate them most
The trend is for mobility to go up, not down.

Green Arrow
01-10-2019, 09:24 PM
Young folks like Bernie because he's a "Boomer" that actually understands the issues important to us and doesn't just give them lipservice. Milennials aren't ageist, we just want someone to actually give a shit about what we give a shit about, and Bernie has shown he does.