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Green Arrow
12-24-2018, 05:27 PM
Via Rolling Stone (https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/ocasio-cortez-salary-shutdown-772360/):


As thousands of government employees fret over whether they will receive their January paychecks, one category of government workers will continue to be paid regardless of a shutdown: senators and members of Congress. But Democratic Representative-elect Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is calling for that to change.

In a tweet on Saturday, Ocasio-Cortez wrote, ďNext time we have a [government] shutdown, Congressional salaries should be furloughed as well. Itís completely unacceptable that members of Congress can force a government shutdown on partisan lines & then have Congressional salaries exempt from that decision. Have some integrity.Ē

Can she be sworn-in yet?

Safety
12-24-2018, 05:31 PM
Via Rolling Stone (https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/ocasio-cortez-salary-shutdown-772360/):



Can she be sworn-in yet?


I like it, everyone in the decision making process to fund the government should feel the burden of not getting paid when they donít do their job.

Captain Obvious
12-24-2018, 05:32 PM
Isn't she the one who's basically broke?

She got a lot of shit from folks for that including me but my eyebrow raised a little reading that from her.

Safety
12-24-2018, 05:34 PM
Isn't she the one who's basically broke?

She got a lot of shit from folks for that including me but my eyebrow raised a little reading that from her.

She is starting off with the right mindset entering congress, let’s see if the corruption and graft, that is prevalent there, will change her.

countryboy
12-24-2018, 05:35 PM
Via Rolling Stone (https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/ocasio-cortez-salary-shutdown-772360/):

Can she be sworn-in yet?

That's hilarious, you people constantly complain that Trump "has no idea how to govern". Yet AOC has demonstrated time, and time again, her COMPLETE IGNORANCE in all areas of governance, and the knowledge required to govern. What gives? While I may agree with her on this point, this is little more than a platitude for her socialist base.

countryboy
12-24-2018, 05:37 PM
I like it, everyone in the decision making process to fund the government should feel the burden of not getting paid when they don’t do their job.

Change her in what way? Will she suddenly grow a brain? I suppose it's possible, but I seriously doubt it.

Trish
12-24-2018, 05:38 PM
I agree. Congress and the WH should not be paid.

I'm under the category of "excepted" and have to work without pay. Thankfully not full time, just until my staff have shut down activities.

It's grossly unfair.

Safety
12-24-2018, 05:41 PM
Change her in what way? Will she suddenly grow a brain? I suppose it's possible, but I seriously doubt it.

The weird thing is, even “without a brain” she is still smarter than all of you cons here.

Green Arrow
12-24-2018, 05:45 PM
That's hilarious, you people constantly complain that Trump "has no idea how to govern". Yet AOC has demonstrated time, and time again, her COMPLETE IGNORANCE in all areas of governance, and the knowledge required to govern. What gives? While I may agree with her on this point, this is little more than a platitude for her socialist base.

There's a huge difference between a member of the U.S. House and the president. That's not even close to a valid comparison. I'd agree with your argument if she had run for (and been elected as) state governor but there is no requirement for members of the House to know how to govern, their entire job is to represent the interests of their districts.

Green Arrow
12-24-2018, 05:46 PM
Isn't she the one who's basically broke?

She got a lot of shit from folks for that including me but my eyebrow raised a little reading that from her.

I guess it depends on how you define broke. She worked as a bartender in Queens before being elected to Congress.

countryboy
12-24-2018, 05:46 PM
I agree. Congress and the WH should not be paid.

I'm under the category of "excepted" and have to work without pay. Thankfully not full time, just until my staff have shut down activities.

It's grossly unfair.

Will you be reimbursed for your work?

countryboy
12-24-2018, 05:48 PM
There's a huge difference between a member of the U.S. House and the president. That's not even close to a valid comparison. I'd agree with your argument if she had run for (and been elected as) state governor but there is no requirement for members of the House to know how to govern, their entire job is to represent the interests of their districts.
While you do have a valid point, shouldn't members of congress have at least a rudimentary understanding of economics? As well as basic answers to questions about their stated agenda?

Green Arrow
12-24-2018, 05:50 PM
While you do have a valid point, shouldn't members of congress have at least a rudimentary understanding of economics? As well as basic answers to questions about their stated agenda?

I don't want to get too far off subject here but she's pretty good at articulating her agenda. She may not know all the specifics about how to enact it but that development will come with time when she gets some experience in Congress and can see how the sausage is made so to speak.

As far as having a rudimentary understanding of economics - no, not really. Her district sent her to Congress to represent their concerns and agendas in Congress. It is her sole job to represent those interests. If her district decides she's not doing that effectively, they can pull the plug. That's how the House of Representatives works.

Green Arrow
12-24-2018, 05:51 PM
I agree. Congress and the WH should not be paid.

I'm under the category of "excepted" and have to work without pay. Thankfully not full time, just until my staff have shut down activities.

It's grossly unfair.

I think my wife's uncles got lucky, I think they actually got the time off instead of being forced to work for free.

countryboy
12-24-2018, 05:56 PM
I don't want to get too far off subject here but she's pretty good at articulating her agenda. She may not know all the specifics about how to enact it but that development will come with time when she gets some experience in Congress and can see how the sausage is made so to speak.

As far as having a rudimentary understanding of economics - no, not really. Her district sent her to Congress to represent their concerns and agendas in Congress. It is her sole job to represent those interests. If her district decides she's not doing that effectively, they can pull the plug. That's how the House of Representatives works.

I respectfully disagree with your entire post. On my way to Christmas eve church, I'll rebut later if I have time.

Green Arrow
12-24-2018, 05:59 PM
I respectfully disagree with your entire post. On my way to Christmas eve church, I'll rebut later if I have time.

I look forward to it. I missed our (friendly, I considered them) sparring matches.

Trish
12-24-2018, 06:07 PM
Will you be reimbursed for your work?

We've always received back pay which makes absolutely NO SENSE to me. What is the purpose of shutting down the government if you're going to pay everyone anyhow?

Some political leaders suggest that it's no loss but they're wrong. My staff is getting paid to do NOTHING. When they return they will have to restart projects that were shut down. This means we are paying them to do the work TWICE. Contractors are not getting paid because there isn't anyone there to instruct or approve the work.

Taxpayer money is being wasted and lost over these shutdowns. It's ridiculous especially when they are going to pay everyone anyhow.

Captdon
12-24-2018, 06:48 PM
I like it, everyone in the decision making process to fund the government should feel the burden of not getting paid when they donít do their job.

Like any of them will notice the loss.

Captdon
12-24-2018, 06:52 PM
There's a huge difference between a member of the U.S. House and the president. That's not even close to a valid comparison. I'd agree with your argument if she had run for (and been elected as) state governor but there is no requirement for members of the House to know how to govern, their entire job is to represent the interests of their districts.

Would you say that about a Republican? Now, remember Santa is watching.

Captain Obvious
12-24-2018, 06:52 PM
Like any of them will notice the loss.

I'm sure the congress lady in the OP will

Green Arrow
12-24-2018, 06:52 PM
Like any of them will notice the loss.

So you disagree that Congressional salaries should also be furloughed?

Captdon
12-24-2018, 06:54 PM
While you do have a valid point, shouldn't members of congress have at least a rudimentary understanding of economics? As well as basic answers to questions about their stated agenda?

Or know they aren't inaugurated?

Captdon
12-24-2018, 06:59 PM
We've always received back pay which makes absolutely NO SENSE to me. What is the purpose of shutting down the government if you're going to pay everyone anyhow?

Some political leaders suggest that it's no loss but they're wrong. My staff is getting paid to do NOTHING. When they return they will have to restart projects that were shut down. This means we are paying them to do the work TWICE. Contractors are not getting paid because there isn't anyone there to instruct or approve the work.

Taxpayer money is being wasted and lost over these shutdowns. It's ridiculous especially when they are going to pay everyone anyhow.

If you aren't working you shouldn't be paid.

If your staff is doing nothing then you mean when they come back they will do nothing the second time?

The shutdown was necessary for the funding the President wants. It must be important to the Senate democrats that the funding not be there.

Captdon
12-24-2018, 07:00 PM
So you disagree that Congressional salaries should also be furloughed?

No. I said they wouldn't notice.

Hoosier8
12-24-2018, 07:10 PM
Via Rolling Stone (https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/ocasio-cortez-salary-shutdown-772360/):



Can she be sworn-in yet?

Not a bad idea but it would only hurt her and not all the other rich democrats.

Green Arrow
12-24-2018, 07:56 PM
Not a bad idea but it would only hurt her and not all the other rich democrats.

And yet she’s pushing for it anyway.

donttread
12-25-2018, 07:34 AM
Via Rolling Stone (https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/ocasio-cortez-salary-shutdown-772360/):



Can she be sworn-in yet?



Wow we found something she's right about. Not easy to do! But I have said this for a long time. I'm guessing such a resolution is supported by way over 1/2 of the people but yet it's not law. It's not Constitutionally protected so could it be that our "representatives" don't actually represent us?

Peter1469
12-25-2018, 10:06 AM
She is starting off with the right mindset entering congress, let’s see if the corruption and graft, that is prevalent there, will change her.

If it doesn't she will face a challenge during her next primary.

Peter1469
12-25-2018, 10:09 AM
I don't want to get too far off subject here but she's pretty good at articulating her agenda. She may not know all the specifics about how to enact it but that development will come with time when she gets some experience in Congress and can see how the sausage is made so to speak.

As far as having a rudimentary understanding of economics - no, not really. Her district sent her to Congress to represent their concerns and agendas in Congress. It is her sole job to represent those interests. If her district decides she's not doing that effectively, they can pull the plug. That's how the House of Representatives works.
Then why does she spend so much time on TV talking about stuff that does not concern her constituents.

Peter1469
12-25-2018, 10:10 AM
We've always received back pay which makes absolutely NO SENSE to me. What is the purpose of shutting down the government if you're going to pay everyone anyhow?

Some political leaders suggest that it's no loss but they're wrong. My staff is getting paid to do NOTHING. When they return they will have to restart projects that were shut down. This means we are paying them to do the work TWICE. Contractors are not getting paid because there isn't anyone there to instruct or approve the work.

Taxpayer money is being wasted and lost over these shutdowns. It's ridiculous especially when they are going to pay everyone anyhow.
Federal employees vote.

Lummy
12-25-2018, 10:12 AM
While you do have a valid point, shouldn't members of congress have at least a rudimentary understanding of economics? As well as basic answers to questions about their stated agenda?

Well, obviously they don't, so ...

countryboy
12-25-2018, 10:27 AM
Well, obviously they don't, so ...
Some do, but AOC certainly doesn't. I doubt this broad could program a DVR machine.

Green Arrow
12-25-2018, 10:32 AM
Then why does she spend so much time on TV talking about stuff that does not concern her constituents.
Clearly it does, because it's the same stuff she was saying during the election and it helped her beat Crowley and then elected her.

Captdon
12-25-2018, 10:34 AM
And yet sheís pushing for it anyway.

Because she's stupid. Advocating the impossible is stupid.

Green Arrow
12-25-2018, 10:36 AM
Because she's stupid. Advocating the impossible is stupid.

It's not impossible.

Captdon
12-25-2018, 10:37 AM
Clearly it does, because it's the same stuff she was saying during the election and it helped her beat Crowley and then elected her.

She beat Crowley because he didn't make a single speech or hold a single rally. She went door to door. I give her credit but not that much.

Captdon
12-25-2018, 10:38 AM
It's not impossible.

You know better than that.

pragmatic
12-25-2018, 10:53 AM
I think my wife's uncles got lucky, I think they actually got the time off instead of being forced to work for free.


Not aware of anyone who is being "forced to work for free".

Green Arrow
12-25-2018, 10:54 AM
Not aware of anyone who is being "forced to work for free".

If someone isn't getting a paycheck on schedule they are working for free.

pragmatic
12-25-2018, 10:56 AM
So you disagree that Congressional salaries should also be furloughed?

Personally like the idea.

The gesture would largely be symbolic since it really isn't going to cause hardship to anyone in Congress. But it would be good optics.

Green Arrow
12-25-2018, 10:57 AM
Personally like the idea.

The gesture would largely be symbolic since it really isn't going to cause hardship to anyone in Congress. But it would be good optics.

It would cause hardship for the members of Congress that are not wealthy, like AOC.

pragmatic
12-25-2018, 10:58 AM
If someone isn't getting a paycheck on schedule they are working for free.

No. They aren't.

Your statement is ridiculous.

Captain Obvious
12-25-2018, 10:59 AM
Ironically, there is a federal law that says hourly employees in the private sector cannot not be paid for hours they work.

countryboy
12-25-2018, 11:09 AM
I look forward to it. I missed our (friendly, I considered them) sparring matches.
Me too bro. It's Christmas, so I will leave our sparring for another time. If memory serves (and it rarely does), weren't you a converted Jew?

Green Arrow
12-25-2018, 11:11 AM
Me too bro. It's Christmas, so I will leave our sparring for another time. If memory serves (and it rarely does), weren't you a converted Jew?

Yep, you are correct.

countryboy
12-25-2018, 11:28 AM
Yep, you are correct.

Well then, Happy Hanukkah.

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Green Arrow
12-25-2018, 11:34 AM
Well then, Happy Hanukkah.

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Thanks, bro. Merry Christmas :)

Common
12-25-2018, 11:43 AM
Yep, you are correct.
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Many many years ago a friend was engaged to a jewish girl against the wishs of her parents. Finally they succombed a little and invited him to dinner, at the dinner their daughter told them that Angelo was willing to convert to judaism.

Her mother said for what ? that doesnt make him a jew. I never forgot that after he told me that, Ive asked other jews that question and they ALL said an emphatic no.

Then a close friend I worked with for decades a jew, when he told me no, I said being jewish is a religion not a nationality so why isnt converting to your religion excepted as that person being of the Jewish Faith.

He said a jew is a jew I said not they are not, there are German Jews, Russian Jews, Italian Jews, Hispanic Jews, African Jews maybe that one Im not positive of.

He refused to budge and said a jew is a jew and you have to be born one

Green Arrow
12-25-2018, 11:57 AM
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Many many years ago a friend was engaged to a jewish girl against the wishs of her parents. Finally they succombed a little and invited him to dinner, at the dinner their daughter told them that Angelo was willing to convert to judaism.

Her mother said for what ? that doesnt make him a jew. I never forgot that after he told me that, Ive asked other jews that question and they ALL said an emphatic no.

Then a close friend I worked with for decades a jew, when he told me no, I said being jewish is a religion not a nationality so why isnt converting to your religion excepted as that person being of the Jewish Faith.

He said a jew is a jew I said not they are not, there are German Jews, Russian Jews, Italian Jews, Hispanic Jews, African Jews maybe that one Im not positive of.

He refused to budge and said a jew is a jew and you have to be born one

They were probably Ultra Orthodox.