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Common
12-29-2018, 03:10 AM
Roughly 80% of all voters say U.S. needs secure borders, including 68% of Democrats: Harvard pollA Harvard Poll so its not a conservative poll

Obviously Democrat Politicians care not a hill of beans for the will of the People


A wide-reaching new poll conducted by Harvard University (https://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/harvard-university/) reveals that majorities of U.S. voters — including Democrats — appear to agree with many of President Trump’s most basic beliefs about immigration.

The findings reveal, for example, that eight out of 10 of all U.S. voters — 79 percent — say the U.S. needs secure borders; 93 percent of Republicans, 80 percent of independents and 68 percent of Democrats agree with that.


Another 79 percent of voters overall say immigration priorities should be granted on a person’s “ability to contribute to America”; 87 percent of Republicans, 79 percent of independents and 72 percent of Democrats agree.


Meanwhile, 68 percent overall oppose a lottery-based immigration system which is meant to ensure “greater diversity: in the U.S.; 78 percent of Republicans, 65 percent of independents and 62 percent of Democrats agree.


In addition, 61 percent overall say U.S. border security is inadequate; 84 percent of Republicans, 64 percent of independents and 40 percent of Democrats agree.


https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jan/23/roughly-80-of-all-voters-say-us-needs-secure-borde/

Tahuyaman
12-29-2018, 03:11 AM
Who would say we need unsecured borders?

Peter1469
12-29-2018, 04:32 AM
Who would say we need unsecured borders?
Globalists. Some famous globalists have said that State borders should be eliminated.

Common
12-29-2018, 04:45 AM
Who would say we need unsecured borders?

You need to pay closer attention to the far left who wants wide open border and to eliminate ice

Safety
12-29-2018, 06:35 AM
Border security /=/ Border wall. Learn the difference and threads like these won’t seem so partisan.

Ransom
12-29-2018, 07:52 AM
Trump ran on a border wall. Trump was elected President vanquishing the Left's queen, steamrolling their Messiah's legacy, and literally crushing the political souls(the ones who have one) of our forum's Leftist Community. End of story.

They all voted and approved border wall funding before, this is just more resistance as Trump remakes Washington DC. The Republicans have a new focus, the inept and corrupt Nancy Pelosi. We can now focus on the walls she builds around her properties, her 'security' does appear to include a wall.

I can assure you, many on the Left in both House and Senate have walls surrounding their properties. Hypocrisy defined.

Ransom
12-29-2018, 07:52 AM
How many live in gated communities?

Lummy
12-29-2018, 08:18 AM
80% is persuasive that Pelosi, Schumer, Brown and Newsom are alone, not representing their constituents.

Peter1469
12-29-2018, 09:39 AM
Border security /=/ Border wall. Learn the difference and threads like these won’t seem so partisan.

The dems in Congress have voted for the wall in the past/ They are voting no now only to hurt Trump.

Common
12-29-2018, 09:46 AM
Border security /=/ Border wall. Learn the difference and threads like these won’t seem so partisan.
Learn the difference between breaking the law and having sanctuary cities and states created for the lawbreakers. Learn the difference between states and cities releasing CRIMINAL illegal aliens back into society and refusing to obey federal law and tell ice. Learn the difference between border security and democrats calling for open borders and eliminiating ice. Learn the difference between Border Security and democrats voting against every measure presented.

If the democrats are "FOR" border security, then why are they against a border wall. WHAT is their specific reason for being against a wall.

How do you achieve border security without a wall. Drones wont do it, cameras dont stop anyone, cameras cant see everyone. So what is this border security that democrats are for that they have NEVER ONCE PRESENTED in congress for discussion or to the american people.

Empty words and made up stories cant clean up democrats being for wide open borders and illegal immigration and their protecting illegals.

Captdon
12-29-2018, 09:49 AM
Liberals march in lockstep. It isn't as if they did their own thinking.

jet57
12-29-2018, 10:00 AM
Roughly 80% of all voters say U.S. needs secure borders, including 68% of Democrats: Harvard poll

A Harvard Poll so its not a conservative poll

Obviously Democrat Politicians care not a hill of beans for the will of the People


A wide-reaching new poll conducted by Harvard University (https://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/harvard-university/) reveals that majorities of U.S. voters — including Democrats — appear to agree with many of President Trump’s most basic beliefs about immigration.

The findings reveal, for example, that eight out of 10 of all U.S. voters — 79 percent — say the U.S. needs secure borders; 93 percent of Republicans, 80 percent of independents and 68 percent of Democrats agree with that.


Another 79 percent of voters overall say immigration priorities should be granted on a person’s “ability to contribute to America”; 87 percent of Republicans, 79 percent of independents and 72 percent of Democrats agree.


Meanwhile, 68 percent overall oppose a lottery-based immigration system which is meant to ensure “greater diversity: in the U.S.; 78 percent of Republicans, 65 percent of independents and 62 percent of Democrats agree.


In addition, 61 percent overall say U.S. border security is inadequate; 84 percent of Republicans, 64 percent of independents and 40 percent of Democrats agree.


https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jan/23/roughly-80-of-all-voters-say-us-needs-secure-borde/

The question is - how?

Safety
12-29-2018, 10:31 AM
The dems in Congress have voted for the wall in the past/ They are voting no now only to hurt Trump.

That sounds so much like what the republicans did for eight years to Obama.

Peter1469
12-29-2018, 10:32 AM
That sounds so much like what the republicans did for eight years to Obama.
Like Obamacare? the dems passed it without reading it.

MisterVeritis
12-29-2018, 10:34 AM
Border security /=/ Border wall. Learn the difference and threads like these won’t seem so partisan.
You are partially right. The foundation of border security is a border wall. More is needed in addition.

Learn the difference and threads like these won’t seem so partisan.

Common
12-29-2018, 10:34 AM
The question is - how?
A high wall is the biggest deterrent that along with other high tech security measures. Increase border Agents substantially. All that is far cheaper than the crushing costs we are taking now

Put HUGE economic pressure on mexico to secure their side of the border. Either they do that or they lose their economy.
We have no obligation to mexico if they are going to allow their border to be wide open.

We can stop 85% of Illegal immigration, then as they are identified send them back, if they come out of prison, put them on the bus drive them over the border.

Now along with that, increase LEGAL IMMIGRATION to fulfill any and all labor needs and give immunity to those that truly need it.

I am not against immigration, I am dead set against what democrats are doing to this country right now and thats flooding it with illegals creating crime and rapes and murders and acts against children. Then they refuse to tell ice when they are realeased back into society and have created sanctuaries.

Only a total jackass thinks this democrat illegal immigration is IMMIGRATION

Democrat voters are now starting to realize "HEY" these Trumpanzies are right our KIDS and GRANDKIDS are going to take the shaft on this along with thiers. They are starting to understand the crushing costs

We have one person to thank for democrat voters seeing the light and thats PRESIDENT TRUMP the media wouldnt tell america, democrats didnt tell america, theyve been hiding the truth from us.

Illegal immigration today is a democrat created fiasco costing us billions and putting more americans in harms way and DESTROYING the future for other americans by keeping pay in the toilet.

They are bring new disease here and causing the resurgence of diseases claimed to be cured.

America sees this, I cant find a DEMOCRAT anywhere that agrees with the democrat party on illegal immigration. Yet they keep voting for them so its the same as supporting it

MisterVeritis
12-29-2018, 10:38 AM
A high wall is the biggest deterrent that along with other high tech security measures. Increase border Agents substantially. All that is far cheaper than the crushing costs we are taking now

Put HUGE economic pressure on mexico to secure their side of the border. Either they do that or they lose their economy.
We have no obligation to mexico if they are going to allow their border to be wide open.

We can stop 85% of Illegal immigration, then as they are identified send them back, if they come out of prison, put them on the bus drive them over the border.

Now along with that, increase LEGAL IMMIGRATION to fulfill any and all labor needs and give immunity to those that truly need it.

I am not against immigration, I am dead set against what democrats are doing to this country right now and thats flooding it with illegals creating crime and rapes and murders and acts against children. Then they refuse to tell ice when they are realeased back into society and have created sanctuaries.

Only a total jackass thinks this democrat illegal immigration is IMMIGRATION

Democrat voters are now starting to realize "HEY" these Trumpanzies are right our KIDS and GRANDKIDS are going to take the shaft on this along with thiers. They are starting to understand the crushing costs

We have one person to thank for democrat voters seeing the light and thats PRESIDENT TRUMP the media wouldnt tell america, democrats didnt tell america, theyve been hiding the truth from us.

Illegal immigration today is a democrat created fiasco costing us billions and putting more americans in harms way and DESTROYING the future for other americans by keeping pay in the toilet.

They are bring new disease here and causing the resurgence of diseases claimed to be cured.

America sees this, I cant find a DEMOCRAT anywhere that agrees with the democrat party on illegal immigration. Yet they keep voting for them so its the same as supporting it
Decrease legal immigration. We have more democrats than we need. Let's keep the country.

Ransom
12-29-2018, 10:58 AM
Like Obamacare? the dems passed it without reading it.

They had to pass it to see what was in it.

Ransom
12-29-2018, 11:01 AM
That sounds so much like what the republicans did for eight years to Obama.

Voted for his two Supreme Court Justices. Voted right with him on a border wall. Gave him money to keep Gitmo open.

oops

Helena
12-29-2018, 11:04 AM
Liberals march in lockstep. It isn't as if they did their own thinking.
Ideologues march in lockstep. It doesn't just apply to far left liberals.

Ransom
12-29-2018, 11:14 AM
"We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently and lawfully to become immigrants into this country."

There are quotes around that statement for a reason, three brownie points for the Member who can name that tune, who said that?

Bonus points for the second question. What President did deride those crossing illegally saying “those who enter the country illegally are showing disregard for those who are following the law?"

jet57
12-30-2018, 03:07 PM
A high wall is the biggest deterrent that along with other high tech security measures. Increase border Agents substantially. All that is far cheaper than the crushing costs we are taking now

Put HUGE economic pressure on mexico to secure their side of the border. Either they do that or they lose their economy.
We have no obligation to mexico if they are going to allow their border to be wide open.

We can stop 85% of Illegal immigration, then as they are identified send them back, if they come out of prison, put them on the bus drive them over the border.

Now along with that, increase LEGAL IMMIGRATION to fulfill any and all labor needs and give immunity to those that truly need it.

I am not against immigration, I am dead set against what democrats are doing to this country right now and thats flooding it with illegals creating crime and rapes and murders and acts against children. Then they refuse to tell ice when they are realeased back into society and have created sanctuaries.

Only a total jackass thinks this democrat illegal immigration is IMMIGRATION

Democrat voters are now starting to realize "HEY" these Trumpanzies are right our KIDS and GRANDKIDS are going to take the shaft on this along with thiers. They are starting to understand the crushing costs

We have one person to thank for democrat voters seeing the light and thats PRESIDENT TRUMP the media wouldnt tell america, democrats didnt tell america, theyve been hiding the truth from us.

Illegal immigration today is a democrat created fiasco costing us billions and putting more americans in harms way and DESTROYING the future for other americans by keeping pay in the toilet.

They are bring new disease here and causing the resurgence of diseases claimed to be cured.

America sees this, I cant find a DEMOCRAT anywhere that agrees with the democrat party on illegal immigration. Yet they keep voting for them so its the same as supporting it

I don't agree. The only way to solve the border problem is to make sure that our entire border is a new play land for vacationers and investors: lots and lots of Mexican jobs, a border system on par with Ellis Island and big enough as well. The corruption in Latin governments is the Achilles heel to the entire thing so the heads have to be chopped off until we get the right kind of snakes in office.

Ransom
12-30-2018, 03:18 PM
Heads have to be chopped off?

Do tell.

Watch this, this is going to be good.

jet, tell us all while Brady is once again torching your hapless team, what does 'heads chopped off' mean?