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Peter1469
12-31-2018, 10:31 AM
Inside the Pence-Schumer showdown (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/31/mike-pence-chuck-schumer-government-shutdown-2018-1076615)

It will be interesting to see how long this shutdown does. I think 2.5 weeks might be the record.


For two straight days, Mike Pence and Chuck Schumer traded proposals and sat face-to-face in a breakneck sequence of meetings to prevent — then quickly end — a government shutdown.In reality, though, the back-channel talks never stood a chance.



The failure by two men with little shared history and no apparent personal chemistry highlighted a critical difference between this showdown and those in the past: For years under President Barack Obama, Vice President Joe Biden and Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell each maneuvered his party out of repeated political crises. But under President Donald Trump, who’s made no concerted effort to establish a genuine rapport with congressional Democrats, there’s no such release valve.


That’s largely why the two sides find themselves with no obvious way out of a week-plus government shutdown that’s threatening to stretch well into January.


Pence and Schumer (D-N.Y.) approached the shutdown assignment under near-impossible conditions — with Trump demanding his border wall money and Democrats just as insistent he not get it. On top of that, the schmoozing Brooklynite and buttoned-up Hoosier lack the relationship that Biden and McConnell had built up over decades working together in the Senate.


And they have minimal political space to strike a deal, as questions persist whether anyone, even the vice president, can negotiate on behalf of Trump.

Captdon
12-31-2018, 01:21 PM
Wall or shutdown. That's the only option Trump has. He can't screw with his base.

Common
12-31-2018, 02:39 PM
Both sides are locked into a corner, trump by his base and the Democrats by their progressive caucus

They are both waiting to see which way the polls go on whos to blame for the shutdown. Whichever the polls say are at fault they will be the ones to make a deal

alexa
12-31-2018, 03:16 PM
Perhaps you missed it, but Trump owns the shutdown.

Perhaps the dimmer members of his base can be duped (again), but the majority of the country isn't going to be fooled by the Buffoon-in-Chief's pathetic attempts to walk it back.

As he said, he's proudly wearing the mantle.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIjWQssLXmI

Captain Obvious
12-31-2018, 03:35 PM
Trump completely owns it.

Suggesting otherwise is RW jerkoffery.

Peter1469
12-31-2018, 04:50 PM
Trump wants $5B for parts of the wall. The Dems don't. We shall see who blinks first.