Why is everyone so polarized as concerning President Trump?

[pjohns]

I have never before seen the country so polarized as it is about Donald Trump: Some appear to view him as the very personification of all that is evil--he can do nothing right--whereas others seem to see him as the apotheosis of all that is good--and he can do no wrong.

Why can't we simply agree that he is a human being--just like the rest of us--and that, like the rest of us, he is sometimes right, and sometimes wrong?

Personally, I think that he has been right more often than not. But I did not care for his intrusion upon free trade; and his recent dustup with the Fed is not good either, in my opinion.

[alexa]

Some of us prefer not to have a racist grifter as President, and some of us, like you, like to make excuses for the inexcusable.

Go figure.

[Captain Obvious]

Trump is a total piece of dirt

Payments to porn stars should be a starting clue but wingnuts have their heads so far up Trump's ass they'll never see it.

[pjohns]

Some of us prefer not to have a racist grifter as President, and some of us, like you, like to make excuses for the inexcusable.

Go figure.

To describe the man as "a racist grifter"--and to breezily dismiss all who do not agree with you, as "excuse" makers--is hardly a reasonable (or well-reasoned) response...

[alexa]

Trump was pissed at he Fed because increases in the prime cause his legitimate loan payments to go up.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-14/trump-cost-from-fed-rate-hikes-may-already-top-5-million-a-year

I don't know about his terms with Putin.

[Chris]

I have never before seen the country so polarized as it is about Donald Trump: Some appear to view him as the very personification of all that is evil--he can do nothing right--whereas others seem to see him as the apotheosis of all that is good--and he can do no wrong.

Why can't we simply agree that he is a human being--just like the rest of us--and that, like the rest of us, he is sometimes right, and sometimes wrong?

Personally, I think that he has been right more often than not. But I did not care for his intrusion upon free trade; and his recent dustup with the Fed is not good either, in my opinion.


Exactly. I find him lacking in economic knowledge but just right when it comes to court nominations.


Said the same yesterday about Reagan, that we shouldn't hold him up as a God, he was just a man who did good but made mistakes.

[alexa]

To describe the man as "a racist grifter"--and to breezily dismiss all who do not agree with you, as "excuse" makers--is hardly a reasonable (or well-reasoned) response...

Au contraire, it's both reasonable and well reasoned.

If you got your news from somewhere other than Fox News et al, you'd know that

[Standing Wolf]

His public behavior is that of a spoiled, ignorant child having an endless series of temper tantrums. He doesn't appear to understand how the government of which he is ostensibly in charge of one-third works, what the powers of his office are and are not, or that the Congress and courts do not work for him. If I agreed with him on 100% of his agenda - whatever that would appear to be today - I would still find him to be a huge embarrassment and want him to be gone.

[nathanbforrest45]

Donald Trump is first and foremost NOT A POLITICIAN. He is a highly successful business man. He does not play by the rules of the Political Class and that is something many of us have been clamoring for for quite a long time. He has a bad habit of saying what he means and only what he means and not using weasel words that can be construed 10 different ways.

Tough beans that the elitest find him with dirty finger nails. Most of us like him, respect him and would invite him over for a Sunday sit down dinner.

[nathanbforrest45]

Trump was pissed at he Fed because increases in the prime cause his legitimate loan payments to go up.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-14/trump-cost-from-fed-rate-hikes-may-already-top-5-million-a-year

I don't know about his terms with Putin.
More tea leaves?

[jet57]

I have never before seen the country so polarized as it is about Donald Trump: Some appear to view him as the very personification of all that is evil--he can do nothing right--whereas others seem to see him as the apotheosis of all that is good--and he can do no wrong.

Why can't we simply agree that he is a human being--just like the rest of us--and that, like the rest of us, he is sometimes right, and sometimes wrong?

Personally, I think that he has been right more often than not. But I did not care for his intrusion upon free trade; and his recent dustup with the Fed is not good either, in my opinion.

We tried to agree that he was just an American citizen, who, through our US Constitution, had the right to run for and win the presidency. Then - he started governing and his cabal and every one of his hundreds of habitual lies started to be undone, yet he continues to lie and undermine the country AND our constitution and laws.

So, what part of that demonstrable evidence: just read the news papers, do you not see as a problem?

[Dr. Who]

I have never before seen the country so polarized as it is about Donald Trump: Some appear to view him as the very personification of all that is evil--he can do nothing right--whereas others seem to see him as the apotheosis of all that is good--and he can do no wrong.

Why can't we simply agree that he is a human being--just like the rest of us--and that, like the rest of us, he is sometimes right, and sometimes wrong?

Personally, I think that he has been right more often than not. But I did not care for his intrusion upon free trade; and his recent dustup with the Fed is not good either, in my opinion.
There is an old proverb that states that you cannot make a silk purse of a sow's ear. Trump's history is a rather sordid tale of greed and discreditable behavior that left other people the poorer for knowing him or doing business with him. I will not go into the more salacious aspects. Suffice it to say that he is a salesman and the ends do not justify the means.

[Chris]

There is an old proverb that states that you cannot make a silk purse of a sow's ear. Trump's history is a rather sordid tale of greed and discreditable behavior that left other people the poorer for knowing him or doing business with him. I will not go into the more salacious aspects. Suffice it to say that he is a salesman and the ends do not justify the means.

There's another, you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig, like the smooth-talking politicians you admire.

[Beevee]

Donald Trump is first and foremost NOT A POLITICIAN. He is a highly successful business man. He does not play by the rules of the Political Class and that is something many of us have been clamoring for for quite a long time. He has a bad habit of saying what he means and only what he means and not using weasel words that can be construed 10 different ways.

Tough beans that the elitest find him with dirty finger nails. Most of us like him, respect him and would invite him over for a Sunday sit down dinner.

But would you share a jail cell with him?

[Tahuyaman]

Some of us prefer not to have a racist grifter as President, and some of us, like you, like to make excuses for the inexcusable.

Go figure.

Thats good, because we don't have a racist for a president now. This racist accusation is without any merit.

[Chris]

Thats good, because we don't have a racist for a president now. This racist accusation is without any merit.


But to some on the left, to be a Republican, or on the right, means you're a racist...of a fascist, or both. It doesn't mean anything, just a way to self-righteously moralize.

[Dr. Who]

There's another, you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig, like the smooth-talking politicians you admire.
I'd rather put my faith into someone who hasn't got a history of ripping people off.

[Trish]

But to some on the left, to be a Republican, or on the right, means you're a racist...of a fascist, or both. It doesn't mean anything, just a way to self-righteously moralize.

The republicans I know believe in fiscal responsibility, our allies and our military. Those who have chosen to stay with this President do not believe in any of those things. It's difficult for me to consider them true republicans. I'm quite baffled by the whole thing.

[Captdon]

Some of us prefer not to have a racist grifter as President, and some of us, like you, like to make excuses for the inexcusable.

Go figure.

Some of us want the US to stay ours and some of you want to give it away. I'd settle for you leaving a place you hate so much but...

[Captdon]

To describe the man as "a racist grifter"--and to breezily dismiss all who do not agree with you, as "excuse" makers--is hardly a reasonable (or well-reasoned) response...

It wasn't meant to be.

[Captdon]

Exactly. I find him lacking in economic knowledge but just right when it comes to court nominations.


Said the same yesterday about Reagan, that we shouldn't hold him up as a God, he was just a man who did good but made mistakes.

So the boom just sort of happened?

[Captdon]

His public behavior is that of a spoiled, ignorant child having an endless series of temper tantrums. He doesn't appear to understand how the government of which he is ostensibly in charge of one-third works, what the powers of his office are and are not, or that the Congress and courts do not work for him. If I agreed with him on 100% of his agenda - whatever that would appear to be today - I would still find him to be a huge embarrassment and want him to be gone.

I know that. Success bothers TDS sufferers. His agenda hasn't changed an iota and he has gotten more done in his first two years than Obama got with his super-majority.

I love these posts. I can enjoy the crying liberals over and over again.

[Standing Wolf]

The republicans I know believe in fiscal responsibility, our allies and our military. Those who have chosen to stay with this President do not believe in any of those things. It's difficult for me to consider them true republicans. I'm quite baffled by the whole thing.

The run-up to the general election in 2020 is going to be an interesting test of exactly where the Republican Party is and where it is headed. I believe we're going to see a head-to-head conflict - some of it behind the scenes and some of it public - between those who believe in traditional conservative values, such as those you mentioned, and adherents of the Trump cult of personality. Stand by to see whatever Republican candidates dare to oppose Trump's reelection slandered, attacked and flat-out lied about unmercifully. Hopefully, a sufficient number of the American people, including especially moderate Republicans and right-leaning Independents, will declare themselves tired of Trump's monkey cage antics and go another direction.

[Standing Wolf]

Some of us want the US to stay ours and some of you want to give it away. I'd settle for you leaving a place you hate so much but...

You've made the accusation - now why don't you enlighten us. What has Trish ever written that would lead you to the conclusion that she hates America?

[Captdon]

We tried to agree that he was just an American citizen, who, through our US Constitution, had the right to run for and win the presidency. Then - he started governing and his cabal and every one of his hundreds of habitual lies started to be undone, yet he continues to lie and undermine the country AND our constitution and laws.

So, what part of that demonstrable evidence: just read the news papers, do you not see as a problem?

What laws has he upset? Where has he undermined this country? How has he hurt our Constitution?

Don't whine and cry about how he has dome what you don't want. That's one of his selling points.

[Tahuyaman]

But to some on the left, to be a Republican, or on the right, means you're a racist...of a fascist, or both. It doesn't mean anything, just a way to self-righteously moralize.

To them, being anything other than a liberal in complete lock-step makes one a racist.

[Standing Wolf]

I know that. Success bothers TDS sufferers. His agenda hasn't changed an iota and he has gotten more done in his first two years than Obama got with his super-majority.

I love these posts. I can enjoy the crying liberals over and over again.

If I didn't feel the obligation to actually respond to posts I disagreed with, and simply tossed around the "TDS" meme when I felt myself at a loss for something intelligent to say, I'd probably enjoy the forum as much as you do, Cap.

[Captdon]

There is an old proverb that states that you cannot make a silk purse of a sow's ear. Trump's history is a rather sordid tale of greed and discreditable behavior that left other people the poorer for knowing him or doing business with him. I will not go into the more salacious aspects. Suffice it to say that he is a salesman and the ends do not justify the means.

Hillary Clinton was the epitome of trash.

[Tahuyaman]

The run-up to the general election in 2020 is going to be an interesting test of exactly where the Republican Party is and where it is headed. I believe we're going to see a head-to-head conflict - some of it behind the scenes and some of it public - between those who believe in traditional conservative values, such as those you mentioned, and adherents of the Trump cult of personality. Stand by to see whatever Republican candidates dare to oppose Trump's reelection slandered, attacked and flat-out lied about unmercifully. Hopefully, a sufficient number of the American people, including especially moderate Republicans and right-leaning Independents, will declare themselves tired of Trump's monkey cage antics and go another direction.


I hope that the Democrats continue this drift to the left and Republicans return to their conservative roots. This would give people a real choice for a change.

[Captdon]

The republicans I know believe in fiscal responsibility, our allies and our military. Those who have chosen to stay with this President do not believe in any of those things. It's difficult for me to consider them true republicans. I'm quite baffled by the whole thing.

Why do you assume we are all Republicans? Trump isn't.

[Captdon]

The run-up to the general election in 2020 is going to be an interesting test of exactly where the Republican Party is and where it is headed. I believe we're going to see a head-to-head conflict - some of it behind the scenes and some of it public - between those who believe in traditional conservative values, such as those you mentioned, and adherents of the Trump cult of personality. Stand by to see whatever Republican candidates dare to oppose Trump's reelection slandered, attacked and flat-out lied about unmercifully. Hopefully, a sufficient number of the American people, including especially moderate Republicans and right-leaning Independents, will declare themselves tired of Trump's monkey cage antics and go another direction.

Trump will be renominated.

Trump will be reelected.

You will still be crying.

[Peter1469]

I have never before seen the country so polarized as it is about Donald Trump: Some appear to view him as the very personification of all that is evil--he can do nothing right--whereas others seem to see him as the apotheosis of all that is good--and he can do no wrong.

Why can't we simply agree that he is a human being--just like the rest of us--and that, like the rest of us, he is sometimes right, and sometimes wrong?

Personally, I think that he has been right more often than not. But I did not care for his intrusion upon free trade; and his recent dustup with the Fed is not good either, in my opinion.
Because he is an outsider to the political class. The insiders want to destroy him and any chance that another outsider will rise to power ever again.

[Trish]

Why do you assume we are all Republicans? Trump isn't.

That is actually a really good question. I'm assuming his supporters identify as republican or tea partier.

[Chris]

I'd rather put my faith into someone who hasn't got a history of ripping people off.

And you have evidence for this theft?

The Divine Right of Democrats to Drool (https://spectator.org/the-divine-right-of-democrats-to-drool/)


...The explanation for this loss of the party’s soul to an unquenchable and wholly emotional desire to destroy Trump is captured in a one-sentence observation by Cicero with which Turley is certainly familiar: “Those who do not know history will forever remain children.” There is very little chance that the kindergartners of the Democratic resistance would recognize Turley’s allusion to the fabled “Days of Rage.” Nor do they grasp that their collective tantrum and lurch to the left is reminiscent of that which eventually produced the suicidal Democratic nomination of George McGovern and President Nixon’s 1972 landslide.

Thus, like so many angry children, nothing less than Donald Trump’s head on a platter will mollify them. It doesn’t matter to this bumptious brood that someone has to produce at least a plausible case proving his guilt of the “crimes and misdemeanors” without which no majority in the House of Representatives will try to impeach the President. ...

[Captdon]

You've made the accusation - now why don't you enlighten us. What has Trish ever written that would lead you to the conclusion that she hates America?

Never that I know of. I didn't say anything about Trish. You made the accusation- now prove it.

You've let your TDS get the better of you. Try clicking on my name in the post. It will clear it up.

[Tahuyaman]

Because he is an outsider to the political class. The insiders want to destroy him and any chance that another outsider will rise to power ever again.

Trump could be reelected in a Reaganesque landslide and he will still be unacceptable to the political establishment.

[Peter1469]

We tried to agree that he was just an American citizen, who, through our US Constitution, had the right to run for and win the presidency. Then - he started governing and his cabal and every one of his hundreds of habitual lies started to be undone, yet he continues to lie and undermine the country AND our constitution and laws.

So, what part of that demonstrable evidence: just read the news papers, do you not see as a problem?
That is utterly insane. He does some good and some bad, like all in political office.

[Chris]

So the boom just sort of happened?

For the most part, yes. THough right now the market is volatile.

[Peter1469]

There is an old proverb that states that you cannot make a silk purse of a sow's ear. Trump's history is a rather sordid tale of greed and discreditable behavior that left other people the poorer for knowing him or doing business with him. I will not go into the more salacious aspects. Suffice it to say that he is a salesman and the ends do not justify the means.
He is a saint compared to JFK. JFK cheated with more women than Trump and was a drug addict to boot.

[Chris]

His public behavior is that of a spoiled, ignorant child having an endless series of temper tantrums. He doesn't appear to understand how the government of which he is ostensibly in charge of one-third works, what the powers of his office are and are not, or that the Congress and courts do not work for him. If I agreed with him on 100% of his agenda - whatever that would appear to be today - I would still find him to be a huge embarrassment and want him to be gone.

See post #34 on children.

[Peter1469]

The republicans I know believe in fiscal responsibility, our allies and our military. Those who have chosen to stay with this President do not believe in any of those things. It's difficult for me to consider them true republicans. I'm quite baffled by the whole thing.

Republicans don't give a crap about fiscal responsibility. That is why I left the GOP in 2006. And Trump is no conservative.

[Chris]

That is actually a really good question. I'm assuming his supporters identify as republican or tea partier.

Tea Partier, God Lord, no!

He could well become the face of the Republican Party, and the Democrat Party if he keeps stealing their thunder and pushing them into corners.

[Peter1469]

The run-up to the general election in 2020 is going to be an interesting test of exactly where the Republican Party is and where it is headed. I believe we're going to see a head-to-head conflict - some of it behind the scenes and some of it public - between those who believe in traditional conservative values, such as those you mentioned, and adherents of the Trump cult of personality. Stand by to see whatever Republican candidates dare to oppose Trump's reelection slandered, attacked and flat-out lied about unmercifully. Hopefully, a sufficient number of the American people, including especially moderate Republicans and right-leaning Independents, will declare themselves tired of Trump's monkey cage antics and go another direction.
Don't look to the GOP for real conservative positions.

[Peter1469]

That is actually a really good question. I'm assuming his supporters identify as republican or tea partier.

Trump is anti-tea parties. He is a big spender.

[Dr. Who]

Hillary Clinton was the epitome of trash.
I don't like her either.

[Captdon]

That is actually a really good question. I'm assuming his supporters identify as republican or tea partier.

Not really. He appealed to the middle of America. We are Republicans, Democrats, independents, minimalist, America Firsters, anarchist, etc. We are the ones the Democrats don't like, don't care about and have written off.

We don't walk in lockstep. I don't like the spending bills he signed. I think he was going to cave on the wall until we wrote and called him. I love the judicial choices. I love the America first. I love the nationalism. I love the trade deals made or close to being made. I love the troops getting out of Syria.

I don't like his credit taking. I could do with a little less strutting. I don't worry about it because it changes nothing and it is one of the ways he won. I do like that he talks to the press outside of a press conference and answers them unlike Obama.

No, we aren't walking to orders. We fight with one another. You have seen that. You haven't seen that among the left here.

If he had run as an independent the election would have been ythe biggest mess of all our elections.

[Captdon]

For the most part, yes. THough right now the market is volatile.

No. The tax cuts and the pull back from regulations gave people confidence. The Stock Market isn't the economy.

[Private Pickle]

I have never before seen the country so polarized as it is about Donald Trump: Some appear to view him as the very personification of all that is evil--he can do nothing right--whereas others seem to see him as the apotheosis of all that is good--and he can do no wrong.

Why can't we simply agree that he is a human being--just like the rest of us--and that, like the rest of us, he is sometimes right, and sometimes wrong?

Personally, I think that he has been right more often than not. But I did not care for his intrusion upon free trade; and his recent dustup with the Fed is not good either, in my opinion.
There is no denying he is a human... That much is obvious. Everything else you speak of is a matter of opinion. Doesn't really matter too much. Our government is so mired within the machine in which it operates that Presidents, Congressmen, Senators and even Supreme Court Justices have little effect on it.

That was a progressive agenda that has been completely successful.

[Captdon]

He is a saint compared to JFK. JFK cheated with more women than Trump and was a drug addict to boot.

The drug addict is not true. He took experimental drugs for his Addison's disease.

Sexually, he was a dog.

[Tahuyaman]

That is utterly insane. He does some good and some bad, like all in political office.


Some me people are like mynah birds. They just mimick that which is repeated over and over.

[Dr. Who]

And you have evidence for this theft?

The Divine Right of Democrats to Drool (https://spectator.org/the-divine-right-of-democrats-to-drool/)
The 1200 or so lawsuits alleging that he didn't pay his contractors might be a hint. Of course, they didn't have millions of dollars to pursue the litigation through the various levels of Court without going bankrupt. They didn't have fixers on the payroll.

[Captdon]

I don't like her either.

You still had only a choice of her or him or nothing. One of them was going to win.

[Chris]

No. The tax cuts and the pull back from regulations gave people confidence. The Stock Market isn't the economy.

AH, ok, yea, I agree with the tax and regulatory cutbacks. Those make economic sense. I was thinking more of his tariffs, which don't make economic sense, though politically he may end up with better trade deals.

[Chris]

The 1200 or so lawsuits alleging that he didn't pay his contractors might be a hint. Of course, they didn't have millions of dollars to pursue the litigation through the various levels of Court without going bankrupt. They didn't have fixers on the payroll.


Ah, so you're one of those who believe accusations demonstrate guilt.

[Peter1469]

The drug addict is not true. He took experimental drugs for his Addison's disease.

Sexually, he was a dog.

His doctor, Max Jacobson, turned him into a meth head (https://nypost.com/2013/04/21/the-kennedy-meth/).


In 1962, at the Carlyle Hotel in New York, a man “peeled off his clothing and began prancing around his hotel suite.” His bodyguards were cautiously amused, until the man “left the suite and began roaming through the corridor of the Carlyle.”

The man in question was delusional, paranoid and suffering a “psychotic break” from the effects of an overdose of methamphetamine.


He was also the president of the United States.


The reason for John F. Kennedy’s bizarre behavior was that, according to an explosive new book, the president was — unbeknownst to him, at first — a meth addict.


The man who supposedly made him so was Max Jacobson, a doctor who had invented a secret vitamin formula that gave people renewed energy and cured their pain, and was given the code name “Dr. Feelgood” by Kennedy’s Secret Service detail.

[Dr. Who]

He is a saint compared to JFK. JFK cheated with more women than Trump and was a drug addict to boot.
From a female perspective, JFK was a good looking man who also happened to be powerful. Yes, women wanted to be with him, but he wasn't Mr. Grabby. He didn't have to be. If he was addicted, it was to pain medication. My criticism of Trump isn't that he was and is a cheater, it's that he's a creep.

[Peter1469]

The 1200 or so lawsuits alleging that he didn't pay his contractors might be a hint. Of course, they didn't have millions of dollars to pursue the litigation through the various levels of Court without going bankrupt. They didn't have fixers on the payroll.
If he wasn't paying contractors the Department of Labor would have got him.

[Peter1469]

From a female perspective, JFK was a good looking man who also happened to be powerful. Yes, women wanted to be with him, but he wasn't Mr. Grabby. He didn't have to be. If he was addicted, it was to pain medication. My criticism of Trump isn't that he was and is a cheater, it's that he's a creep.
Meth isn't a pain medication for most doctors.

[Tahuyaman]

That is utterly insane. He does some good and some bad, like all in political office.

Trump has has achieved some very good results. Tax rate reductions, economic growth, regulatory reforms, some positive foreign policy results.... He's had some blunders and not so good results. Dramatic increases in spending, diplomatic miscues, public comments etc...

Many of his comment show little to no political sense, but I'll take his positive results any day. Had Mrs Clinton been elected we'd still be rudderless economically and who knows where we'd be in places like Syria.

[Private Pickle]

From a female perspective, JFK was a good looking man who also happened to be powerful. Yes, women wanted to be with him, but he wasn't Mr. Grabby. He didn't have to be. If he was addicted, it was to pain medication. My criticism of Trump isn't that he was and is a cheater, it's that he's a creep.

He wasn't "Mr. Grabby"? How the hell do you know that? He was a philanderer. You seriously don't think he used his position of power over women? If he were the POTUS today he would be trending on Twitter and the center investigation of a Congressional hearing on his impeachment due to his perjury about sleeping with other women...

Kinda like Clinton... You know... The other guy who wasn't "Mr. Grabby"?

Know the difference between Clinton and Trump? No one has accused Trump of rape...

[Peter1469]

Trump has has achieved some very good results. Tax rate reductions, economic growth, regulatory reforms, some positive foreign policy results.... He's had some blunders and not so good results. Dramatic increases in spending, diplomatic miscues, public comments etc...

Many of his comment show little to no political sense, but I'll take his positive results any day. Had Mrs Clinton been elected we'd still be rudderless economically and who knows where we'd be in places like Syria.

Right. He has been a god-send for our Courts. But his spending will destroy the nation just as democrats spending will destroy it.

[Dr. Who]

If he wasn't paying contractors the Department of Labor would have got him.
He wasn`t paying his general contractors - they were not employees.

[MisterVeritis]

That is actually a really good question. I'm assuming his supporters identify as republican or tea partier.
...and white, blue-collar American male.

President Trump put together a coalition. We are still here.

[MisterVeritis]

For the most part, yes. THough right now the market is volatile.
This is nonsense. I believe you know it is nonsense.

The market is volatile because the FED has raised interest rates four times and promises more rate increases.

I am no expert on economics. But I like record low unemployment numbers, a growing economy and all the indications that someone who is an expert would recognize is the result of policy changes.

[Captain Obvious]

What I find... amusing is the complete lack of objectivity from the HUTA (head up Trump's ass) crowd.

I didn't vote for him and I wouldn't vote for him in two years, I voted for Gary Johnson since he was the only legit conservative on the ticket. And I stopped voting all together so it's moot but I wouldn't vote for Trump if I still did.

I'm not a partisan cheerleader, I'm a conservative, when I voted I did so with integrity, I voted conservative. That's more than Trump voters can say but I knew he was a dirtbag before the election and I wasn't going to sacrifice my integrity just to "vote against" Rodham or tow the partisan line or be a cheerleader.

And that's my big issue with "democracy" here, people don't vote with integrity, they don their pom poms and team jerseys and are just part of the home team.

But... my point, if RW partisan hacks can't acknowledge how much of a dirtbag Trump is then they either are brain dead or completely oblivious of their surroundings. Or both likely.

If Trump were a DNC candidate or a DNC candidate that conducted himself the way Trump has/does, can you imagine the gnashing of teeth and vitriol that would come from this crowd?

It's really a joke and why I can't support "democracy" here, it's a waste of time. It's like the WWF.

[Dr. Who]

He wasn't "Mr. Grabby"? How the hell do you know that? He was a philanderer. You seriously don't think he used his position of power over women? If he were the POTUS today he would be trending on Twitter and the center investigation of a Congressional hearing on his impeachment due to his perjury about sleeping with other women...

Kinda like Clinton... You know... The other guy who wasn't "Mr. Grabby"?

Know the difference between Clinton and Trump? No one has accused Trump of rape...
Nor was JFK accused of rape, but Trump does have lawsuits pending against him regarding sexual assault.

[MisterVeritis]

Republicans don't give a crap about fiscal responsibility. That is why I left the GOP in 2006. And Trump is no conservative.
Perhaps President Trump is no conservative. Despite that, President Trump has moved the federal government in a conservative direction.

[MisterVeritis]

Tea Partier, God Lord, no!

He could well become the face of the Republican Party, and the Democrat Party if he keeps stealing their thunder and pushing them into corners.
President Trump accomplished what none of the others have. He led the nation to far lower corporate tax rates and (temporary)relief for real Americans.

[Common Sense]

This is nonsense. I believe you know it is nonsense.

The market is volatile because the FED has raised interest rates four times and promises more rate increases.

I am no expert on economics. But I like record low unemployment numbers, a growing economy and all the indications that someone who is an expert would recognize is the result of policy changes.

...but really it's just a continuation of the trend that existed under the Obama administration. But if you want to believe it's due to Donny Jesus Trump and it's helping you sleep better, knock yourself out.

[MisterVeritis]

There is no denying he is a human... That much is obvious. Everything else you speak of is a matter of opinion. Doesn't really matter too much. Our government is so mired within the machine in which it operates that Presidents, Congressmen, Senators and even Supreme Court Justices have little effect on it.

That was a progressive agenda that has been completely successful.
I don't understand your point. Are you saying the progressive agenda is a success?

[Captain Obvious]

...but really it's just a continuation of the trend that existed under the Obama administration. But if you want to believe it's due to Donny Jesus Trump and it's helping you sleep better, knock yourself out.

Not really

[MisterVeritis]

AH, ok, yea, I agree with the tax and regulatory cutbacks. Those make economic sense. I was thinking more of his tariffs, which don't make economic sense, though politically he may end up with better trade deals.
Uh, Chris, the trade deals are economic.

[Private Pickle]

Nor was JFK accused of rape, but Trump does have lawsuits pending against him regarding sexual assault.

Let me ask you a question. Was the environment for sexual assault remotely close in the early 60's to the environment today?

And you're wrong. There is a distinct difference between sexual assault and sexual harassment. Want to split hairs and make a crime worse than it actually is be my guest. But don't lie about it. That just is doing your "cause" a disservice.

[Private Pickle]

I don't understand your point. Are you saying the progressive agenda is a success?
Absolutely. Take a look at the size of our government. It's the largest employer in the world. It collects and maintains more data on the citizenry of it's Republic than any other nation on Earth. It pays out the plurality of it's income from taxes to entitlement programs.

Are you actually saying that the progressive agenda hasn't been successful?

[MisterVeritis]

...but really it's just a continuation of the trend that existed under the Obama administration. But if you want to believe it's due to Donny Jesus Trump and it's helping you sleep better, knock yourself out.
I know that is the talking point the Obama goofs put out. In eight years President Barack Hussein O did all he could to preside over America's decline. President Trump, on the other hand, is making America great again.

[Captain Obvious]

I know that is the talking point the Obama goofs put out. In eight years President Barack Hussein O did all he could to preside over America's decline. President Trump, on the other hand, is making America great again.

One porn star payment, jail sentence and cabinet ethics resignation at a time.

:biglaugh:

[Private Pickle]

Uh, Chris, the trade deals are economic.
Well if you're talking about the trade deals with Mexico that are currently on the line then no...those are political...not economic... I mean really...can you actually claim that Trump is going to "shut down the borders including the trade deals if the wall isn't funded" as an economic measure?

[MisterVeritis]

Absolutely. Take a look at the size of our government. It's the largest employer in the world. It collects and maintains more data on the citizenry of it's Republic than any other nation on Earth. It pays out the plurality of it's income from taxes to entitlement programs.

Are you actually saying that the progressive agenda hasn't been successful?
I see. It seems we are on the same side.

[MisterVeritis]

One porn star payment, jail sentence and cabinet ethics resignation at a time.

:biglaugh:
You pay attention to the trivial. Every post makes it more apparent.

[Private Pickle]

I know that is the talking point the Obama goofs put out. In eight years President Barack Hussein O did all he could to preside over America's decline. President Trump, on the other hand, is making America great again.

Obama isn't the President anymore. Hasn't been for two years. Stop being like the "Obama goofs" who continually blamed Bush for Obama's failures two years after Bush was out of office. It's hypocritical and embarrassing.

[MisterVeritis]

Well if you're talking about the trade deals with Mexico that are currently on the line then no...those are political...not economic... I mean really...can you actually claim that Trump is going to "shut down the borders including the trade deals if the wall isn't funded" as an economic measure?
Do you understand what a trade deal is?
Do you understand what national security is?

[MisterVeritis]

Obama isn't the President anymore. Hasn't been for two years. Stop being like the "Obama goofs" who continually blamed Bush for Obama's failures two years after Bush was out of office. It's hypocritical and embarrassing.
Once again you have gone off the rails. Why do you do that?

[Captain Obvious]

You pay attention to the trivial. Every post makes it more apparent.

I know the concept of integrity isn't something that's in your vocabulary.

[Private Pickle]

Uh, Chris, the trade deals are economic.
There is no one that has any political sense whatsoever that think trade deals are solely economic. I mean really? You'd have to say NATO doesn't have economic reasoning's behind it in order for that logic to exist.

[MisterVeritis]

I know the concept of integrity isn't something that's in your vocabulary.
You know very little. You focus on the unimportant and fail to see what is important. That is okay. I suppose someone has to.

[MisterVeritis]

There is no one that has any political sense whatsoever that think trade deals are solely economic. I mean really? You'd have to say NATO doesn't have economic reasoning's behind it in order for that logic to exist.
There you go again.

[Common Sense]

I know that is the talking point the Obama goofs put out. In eight years President Barack Hussein O did all he could to preside over America's decline. President Trump, on the other hand, is making America great again.

Lol...

Meanwhile in reality, the economic trends haven't really changed. The unemployment rate has been steadily declining for the last 8 years. Economic growth has been steadily increasing for the last 8 years.

The major difference over the last two years is only the perception of the Trump desciples/sycophants. The trends have remained the same, but now that the gay black communist Muslim terrorist is gone, America is great again. Essentially, Trump's simplistic worshippers are dim and myopic.

[Common Sense]

I know the concept of integrity isn't something that's in your vocabulary.

I don't think that's an accurate accusation. In Mr. V's mind, he hasn't violated his standards of integrity. I think he really believes the nonsense he spews.

There's a difference between being truly delusional and being dishonest.

[Cletus]

There's a difference between being truly delusional and being dishonest.
Which are you?

[Captain Obvious]

I don't think that's an accurate accusation. In Mr. V's mind, he hasn't violated his standards of integrity. I think he really believes the nonsense he spews.

There's a difference between being truly delusional and being dishonest.

Maybe, but for anyone who has a semblance of integrity taking this old fool seriously isn't recommended.

[Common Sense]

Which are you?

Neither.

[Common Sense]

Maybe, but for anyone who has a semblance of integrity taking this old fool seriously isn't recommended.
Of course, but Monsieur V perceives himself as the only one with integrity here. His sin isn't dishonesty or deception...he's a victim of his delusions and perceived self importance.

[Captain Obvious]

Of course, but Monsieur V perceives himself as the only one with integrity here. His sin isn't dishonesty or deception...he's a victim of his delusions and perceived self importance.
Anyone who kisses Trump's ass has to check their integrity at the door, or not have any.

Folks in Trump's inner circle are finding that out the hard way.

[Common Sense]

Anyone who kisses Trump's ass has to check their integrity at the door, or not have any.

Folks in Trump's inner circle are finding that out the hard way.

...not if you're a crazy person. In order to violate ones integrity, one must be dishonest and be in conflict with ones morality. If someone simply lacks critical thinking skills and is unaware of their idiocy, they can actually retain their integrity while simultaneously espousing retarded views.

Essentially, you can say a bunch of sycophant idiotic shit, but if you're dumb enough to actually believe it, you're not lacking integrity...you're just a fucking delusional moron.

[Captain Obvious]

...not if you're a crazy person. In order to violate ones integrity, one must be dishonest and be in conflict with ones morality. If someone simply lacks critical thinking skills and is unaware of their idiocy, they can actually retain their integrity while simultaneously espousing retarded views.

Essentially, you can say a bunch of sycophant idiotic shit, but if you're dumb enough to actually believe it, you're not lacking integrity...you're just a fucking delusional moron.
I can't argue with that

[midcan5]

pjohns is a conservative Trump troll. He may even be Trump. Oh, why does no one love me, saith the Donald, I lie and cheat and grab woman and pay no taxes and dodged the draft and cheat on my wives, but why, oh why, does no one love me. LOL


"I do it to discredit you all and demean you all, so when you write negative stories about me, no one will believe you." DJT Liar in Chief

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/03/24/vets-choice-caregiver-programs-left-out-final-spending-bill.html

"As the president’s lies and bullying get bolder and bolder, we can finally see him for what he is: boring."

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/11/donald-trump-lies-clinton-comey-investigation.html

"America has reached the natural conclusion of the two-party system: a pair of candidates completely reviled by the other side. The winners of that booby prize, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, have more haters than supporters, according to the latest Washington Post / ABC News poll. Three-quarters of Democrats view Clinton favorably, while the vast majority have a negative view of Trump; the reverse holds true for Republicans (though plenty of them hate Trump, too)."

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/06/the-reasons-why-voters-hate-hillary-clinton-and-donald-trump/487418/

[Dr. Who]

Let me ask you a question. Was the environment for sexual assault remotely close in the early 60's to the environment today?

And you're wrong. There is a distinct difference between sexual assault and sexual harassment. Want to split hairs and make a crime worse than it actually is be my guest. But don't lie about it. That just is doing your "cause" a disservice.
The 60's were a very different time, however, there was nothing about JFK that was remotely similar to DJT. Women loved Kennedy and Kennedy loved women. He was definitely a hound dog, but he never had to push himself on women. He was the rock star of Presidents with high profile groupies from Hollywood just hoping to make him a notch in their bedpost and it wasn't about money. The man was revered.

[Chris]

Great thread. Everyone is delusional, dishonest, trolling or just plain nuts. The problem isn't Trump.

[Beevee]

Great thread. Everyone is delusional, dishonest, trolling or just plain nuts. The problem isn't Trump.

It is a great thread. I see the cracks getting wider and the wall which isn't a wall, is crumbling. Slowly, but crumbling nevertheless.

Happy New Year to all.

[Dr. Who]

pjohns is a conservative Trump troll. He may even be Trump. Oh, why does no one love me, saith the Donald, I lie and cheat and grab woman and pay no taxes and dodged the draft and cheat on my wives, but why, oh why, does no one love me. LOL


"I do it to discredit you all and demean you all, so when you write negative stories about me, no one will believe you." DJT Liar in Chief

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/03/24/vets-choice-caregiver-programs-left-out-final-spending-bill.html

"As the president’s lies and bullying get bolder and bolder, we can finally see him for what he is: boring."

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/11/donald-trump-lies-clinton-comey-investigation.html

"America has reached the natural conclusion of the two-party system: a pair of candidates completely reviled by the other side. The winners of that booby prize, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, have more haters than supporters, according to the latest Washington Post / ABC News poll. Three-quarters of Democrats view Clinton favorably, while the vast majority have a negative view of Trump; the reverse holds true for Republicans (though plenty of them hate Trump, too)."

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/06/the-reasons-why-voters-hate-hillary-clinton-and-donald-trump/487418/
I disagree about pjohns. He is one of our more thoughtful members.

[Private Pickle]

I see. It seems we are on the same side.
Not so sure. You see I tend to call it like I see it. I hold those accountable for their actions no matter what party they belong to. I am a conservative in that I believe in the limitation of governmental power, overreach and wasteful spend.

On the flip side I see our government intruding in the policing of our citizenry... Arming them like they arm the military and empowering them with the ideals that allows them to think they can trample all over the Constitutional rights of our people.

I think we should pull out of Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan... So what if Russia gains a greater foothold into a country that they've had a strong foothold in for decades?

I believe in a border wall. Supported by the military. To ignore the impact of illegal immigration is both dangerous and ignorant. I am for the border wall. Statistics show that walls actually do mitigate illegal immigration.

Then we should cut and slash the government like it's a Bolivian forest. The idea that the government is our largest employer is atrocious. Servitude within the government should never be a for profit enterprise.

[Private Pickle]

Do you understand what a trade deal is?
Do you understand what national security is?
Yes.

Yes.

[Private Pickle]

Once again you have gone off the rails. Why do you do that?
Trolling again? Like I said it will get you reported.

[Private Pickle]

There you go again.
Right. There I go again making sense and all....

[Private Pickle]

The 60's were a very different time, however, there was nothing about JFK that was remotely similar to DJT.

So you admit that the 60's were a different time...especially with regards to women's rights and their vocalization about sexual harassment... Yet you completely deny the idea that there was anything remotely that could attribute a philanderer like Kennedy. Ignorance much?


Women loved Kennedy and Kennedy loved women. He was definitely a hound dog, but he never had to push himself on women. He was the rock star of Presidents with high profile groupies from Hollywood just hoping to make him a notch in their bedpost and it wasn't about money. The man was revered.

Women loved Clinton too. He was impeached. What part of this #metoo understatement are you not getting?

[HumblePi]

I have never before seen the country so polarized as it is about Donald Trump: Some appear to view him as the very personification of all that is evil--he can do nothing right--whereas others seem to see him as the apotheosis of all that is good--and he can do no wrong.

Why can't we simply agree that he is a human being--just like the rest of us--and that, like the rest of us, he is sometimes right, and sometimes wrong?

Personally, I think that he has been right more often than not. But I did not care for his intrusion upon free trade; and his recent dustup with the Fed is not good either, in my opinion.

A lot of us, me being one, grew up in the New York vicinity and have known Trump most of our lives. We witnessed firsthand his three marriages, five children from three women, his yachts, failed casino, failed Trump college, etc. Not only that but we had to hear him on a regular basis on the Howard Stern show talking about his sexual escapades. I've even seen him at the Taj Mahal, his failed casino in Atlantic City. We heard him talk about the Muslims that stood on the banks of the Hudson River on the New Jersey shore cheering when the planes struck the World Trade towers and over a thousand Americans died. We all knew he was a compulsive liar and narcissist. We all had a collective bitter taste in our mouths for anything to do with Trump long before he decided to run for president. We all knew he was a billionaire but we also knew he was a NY thug.

So yeah, we began this journey disliking him a lot and that dislike turned into disgust, then total hatred once we saw what he was doing to the institution and honor of the presidency.

[Dr. Who]

So you admit that the 60's were a different time...especially with regards to women's rights and their vocalization about sexual harassment... Yet you completely deny the idea that there was anything remotely that could attribute a philanderer like Kennedy. Ignorance much?



Women loved Clinton too. He was impeached. What part of this #metoo understatement are you not getting?

I think that you misunderstand the #metoo movement. It's not about philandering males or even hound dogs, it's about men using some form of coercion to get what they want from women sexually or disregarding their right not to be 'manhandled' by an aggressive male, which includes groping or having kisses forced upon them or worse. It also includes having their right to privacy while they are dressing violated. Women can be as promiscuous as men, but at the end of the day, when it comes to defending oneself against unwanted attentions, men have the physical advantage over women and often have significant control in the corporate power structure which some are not averse to using for their own sexual gratification.

[Just AnotherPerson]

A lot of us, me being one, grew up in the New York vicinity and have known Trump most of our lives. We witnessed firsthand his three marriages, five children from three women, his yachts, failed casino, failed Trump college, etc. Not only that but we had to hear him on a regular basis on the Howard Stern show talking about his sexual escapades. I've even seen him at the Taj Mahal, his failed casino in Atlantic City. We heard him talk about the Muslims that stood on the banks of the Hudson River on the New Jersey shore cheering when the planes struck the World Trade towers and over a thousand Americans died. We all knew he was a compulsive liar and narcissist. We all had a collective bitter taste in our mouths for anything to do with Trump long before he decided to run for president. We all knew he was a billionaire but we also knew he was a NY thug.

So yeah, we began this journey disliking him a lot and that dislike turned into disgust, then total hatred once we saw what he was doing to the institution and honor of the presidency.

Well said! That is exactly the truth! Again well said! Maybe the best yet!

[Dr. Who]

A lot of us, me being one, grew up in the New York vicinity and have known Trump most of our lives. We witnessed firsthand his three marriages, five children from three women, his yachts, failed casino, failed Trump college, etc. Not only that but we had to hear him on a regular basis on the Howard Stern show talking about his sexual escapades. I've even seen him at the Taj Mahal, his failed casino in Atlantic City. We heard him talk about the Muslims that stood on the banks of the Hudson River on the New Jersey shore cheering when the planes struck the World Trade towers and over a thousand Americans died. We all knew he was a compulsive liar and narcissist. We all had a collective bitter taste in our mouths for anything to do with Trump long before he decided to run for president. We all knew he was a billionaire but we also knew he was a NY thug.

So yeah, we began this journey disliking him a lot and that dislike turned into disgust, then total hatred once we saw what he was doing to the institution and honor of the presidency.
After about thirty years of tales of Trump's depravity, I was horrified that people could actually vote for the man. I couldn't even bring myself to watch The Apprentice on television because he is the dictionary definition of a thug and lowlife with money. It persuades me that John Gotti Jr could run for President and win as long as he makes the right promises.

[HumblePi]

I know that is the talking point the Obama goofs put out. In eight years President Barack Hussein O did all he could to preside over America's decline. President Trump, on the other hand, is making America great again.
President Obama inherited an absolute economic catastrophic disaster from the Republicans. He turned it around completely and breathed life back into the economy again. Instead of people losing their homes, people began buying homes again.

[MisterVeritis]

Lol...

Meanwhile in reality, the economic trends haven't really changed. The unemployment rate has been steadily declining for the last 8 years. Economic growth has been steadily increasing for the last 8 years.

The major difference over the last two years is only the perception of the Trump desciples/sycophants. The trends have remained the same, but now that the gay black communist Muslim terrorist is gone, America is great again. Essentially, Trump's simplistic worshippers are dim and myopic.
If President Obama had known what to do he would have done it. He didn't know. The task required an American man. And now we have one.

[MisterVeritis]

President Obama inherited an absolute economic catastrophic disaster from the Republicans. He turned it around completely and breathed life back into the economy again. Instead of people losing their homes, people began buying homes again.
You err. But that is the story you ran with for eight years. It was a lie. You know it was a lie. I know it was a lie. But here you are retelling it.

[MisterVeritis]

Right. There I go again making sense and all....
If only it could be true.

[MisterVeritis]

Maybe, but for anyone who has a semblance of integrity taking this old fool seriously isn't recommended.
You focus on trivia. It is cartoonish.

[MisterVeritis]

Not so sure. You see I tend to call it like I see it.
And usually, you are wrong.

[Beevee]

You've made the accusation - now why don't you enlighten us. What has Trish ever written that would lead you to the conclusion that she hates America?

I'm not sure that anyone hates America.
Now, some of the people in it...well, that's another matter.

[MisterVeritis]

Do you understand what a trade deal is?
Do you understand what national security is?

Yes.Yes.
Then your previous statement is incomprehensible.

[Captain Obvious]

I disagree about pjohns. He is one of our more thoughtful members.
Yeah he is but that he has to wonder why Trump is so polarizing kind of makes me wonder.

[Standing Wolf]

Some of us want the US to stay ours and some of you want to give it away. I'd settle for you leaving a place you hate so much but...

Your first sentence says, "some of you". The second sentence reads, "you leaving a place you hate so much".

I know, Cap, I'm being a smarty-pants, know-it-all, Mr. Smarter than anyone else, aren't I? Because I can read.

:rollseyes:

[MisterVeritis]

Once again you have gone off the rails. Why do you do that?

Trolling again? Like I said it will get you reported.
LOL. Do what you think is right.

Do you think I care if you report me?

[Captain Obvious]

You focus on trivia. It is cartoonish.
I really wish you realized how foolish you present yourself.

Learn a new word, if you can.

[Beevee]

If President Obama had known what to do he would have done it. He didn't know. The task required an American man. And now we have one.

What's his name then?
Don't keep us in suspense.

[Dr. Who]

Yeah he is but that he has to wonder why Trump is so polarizing kind of makes me wonder.
I understand that people see politics and politicians through their own lens.

[Captain Obvious]

I understand that people see politics and politicians through their own lens.
I get your point but I'll leave it at that, you're trying to be a good citizen and so am I.

[Common Sense]

If President Obama had known what to do he would have done it. He didn't know. The task required an American man. And now we have one.
You crack me up.

[MisterVeritis]

You focus on trivia. It is cartoonish.

I really wish you realized how foolish you present yourself.
Learn a new word, if you can.
Trivia? You are spellbound by unimportant things. Your focus on trivia to the exclusion of what is important is cartoonish. We discussed the other reasonable alternative, buffoonish. Either word is acceptable to describe you.

[Captain Obvious]

You focus on trivia. It is cartoonish.

Trivia? You are spellbound by unimportant things. Your focus on trivia to the exclusion of what is important is cartoonish. We discussed the other reasonable alternative, buffoonish. Either word is acceptable to describe you.
Try kale.

Might make wake up time more tolerable.

[Common Sense]

Try kale.

Might make wake up time more tolerable.

Kale might help him, but only if taken anally and quite vigorously in a surprising manner. Repetition in a forceful and violent way is key.

[MisterVeritis]

Kale might help him, but only if taken anally and quite vigorously in a surprising manner. Repetition in a forceful and violent way is key.
This is unacceptable. Stop.

[Captain Obvious]

lol

[MisterVeritis]

lol
Why are you laughing?

[Captain Obvious]

Why are you laughing?
Happy new year MV, all the best. I mean that too.

[Peter1469]

He wasn`t paying his general contractors - they were not employees.
The Department of Labor takes on those cases.

[Peter1469]

Perhaps President Trump is no conservative. Despite that, President Trump has moved the federal government in a conservative direction.

With federal judges. Not with spending like a drunken democrat.

[Peter1469]

Lol...

Meanwhile in reality, the economic trends haven't really changed. The unemployment rate has been steadily declining for the last 8 years. Economic growth has been steadily increasing for the last 8 years.

The major difference over the last two years is only the perception of the Trump desciples/sycophants. The trends have remained the same, but now that the gay black communist Muslim terrorist is gone, America is great again. Essentially, Trump's simplistic worshippers are dim and myopic.
The economy was twice as strong (measured by growth) after the tax cuts compared to prior to the tax cuts. Obama's economy was the most flaccid economic recovery in US history.

[Peter1469]

After about thirty years of tales of Trump's depravity, I was horrified that people could actually vote for the man. I couldn't even bring myself to watch The Apprentice on television because he is the dictionary definition of a thug and lowlife with money. It persuades me that John Gotti Jr could run for President and win as long as he makes the right promises.

The dems put their money on Hillary. That is the only reason Trump won.

[Peter1469]

President Obama inherited an absolute economic catastrophic disaster from the Republicans. He turned it around completely and breathed life back into the economy again. Instead of people losing their homes, people began buying homes again.
You are misinformed. Obama's "recovery" was the most flaccid in US history.

[MisterVeritis]

With federal judges. Not with spending like a drunken democrat.
More than 3/4ths of the budget is now set on autopilot to grow year after year after year. The earlier Congresses did not want to be bothered with voting for increases. ONLY an Article V convention of States can fix this problem.

[Common Sense]

The economy was twice as strong (measured by growth) after the tax cuts compared to prior to the tax cuts. Obama's economy was the most flaccid economic recovery in US history.
"Twice as strong"? That's certainly a claim you can't prove.

The economic upturn began with Obama and the trend has continued. Trump's tax cuts have helped economic growth, but they have also contributed to the growing deficit.

24956

[Captdon]

If I didn't feel the obligation to actually respond to posts I disagreed with, and simply tossed around the "TDS" meme when I felt myself at a loss for something intelligent to say, I'd probably enjoy the forum as much as you do, Cap.

You don't have anything. You haven't had anything that's important to say about Trump. All you have said is he isn't your kind of guy. You don't say what he has done that matters. That's what TDS is about. If you had something to say about policies you would.

[Captdon]

I get your point but I'll leave it at that, you're trying to be a good citizen and so am I.

Trying isn't doing.

[Captain Obvious]

Trying isn't doing.
Oh well...

What makes it harder is when you guys have your head up Trump's ass so far that you can't recognize how much of a dirtbag he is.

Seriously, step back and look, if you created a list of scumbag things Trump did or was involved in it would be as long as the ACA.

Why do you people fear objectivity? Honest question.

[Captdon]

With federal judges. Not with spending like a drunken democrat.

Trump never said he was a conservative. He said what he'd like to do. Some of it I liked, some of it I didn't believe was possible and some of it I didn't care about.

Clinton disgusted me. She would have been nailing the coffin lid on America.

Given the choices, I picked Trump, warts and all.

[Captdon]

You are misinformed. Obama's "recovery" was the most flaccid in US history.

Everything Obama said about the future of our economy has been disproved.

[Captdon]

"Twice as strong"? That's certainly a claim you can't prove.

The economic upturn began with Obama and the trend has continued. Trump's tax cuts have helped economic growth, but they have also contributed to the growing deficit.

24956

Unemployment is has almost disappeared. Wages are going again. People have more confidence and buying more. Housing values are up. Trade is becoming more fair for us. You cherry-picked one thing to prove your point while ignoring everything else.
Nice try as long as no one read it.

[Captdon]

Oh well...

What makes it harder is when you guys have your head up Trump's ass so far that you can't recognize how much of a dirtbag he is.

Seriously, step back and look, if you created a list of scumbag things Trump did or was involved in it would be as long as the ACA.

Why do you people fear objectivity? Honest question.

I don't fear objectivity. You don't offer any. You aren't to be taken seriously. All you offer are jibber-jabber and curse words.

[Captain Obvious]

I don't fear objectivity. You don't offer any. You aren't to be taken seriously. All you offer are jibber-jabber and curse words.

meh... all you hear is jibber jabber.

Try taking the blinders off.

[MisterVeritis]

Oh well...

What makes it harder is when you guys have your head up Trump's ass so far that you can't recognize how much of a dirtbag he is.

Seriously, step back and look, if you created a list of scumbag things Trump did or was involved in it would be as long as the ACA.

Why do you people fear objectivity? Honest question.
You focus on unimportant trivia.

[Captain Obvious]

lol

[Just AnotherPerson]

The economy was twice as strong (measured by growth) after the tax cuts compared to prior to the tax cuts. Obama's economy was the most flaccid economic recovery in US history.

Here is how I see it, and I am no fan of Obama in many regards. But, during Obama we had a steady improvement of the economy, and he was not destroying the environment or giving tax breaks to the wealthy to do it. Recovery was slow but even though he was gearing towards green energy we were still recovering. Unlike Trump, he is using harsh methods to so called fix the economy. While he is fixing the economy he is destroying our land air and water, and ruining our nation. I would not call that progress. And, he is just borrowing in order to make it look like we are doing better. If you look at the big picture we are doing worse by far. He is truly plundering our nation.

[Chris]

Here is how I see it, and I am no fan of Obama in many regards. But, during Obama we had a steady improvement of the economy, and he was not destroying the environment or giving tax breaks to the wealthy to do it. Recovery was slow but even though he was gearing towards green energy we were still recovering. Unlike Trump, he is using harsh methods to so called fix the economy. While he is fixing the economy he is destroying our land air and water, and ruining our nation. I would not call that progress. And, he is just borrowing in order to make it look like we are doing better. If you look at the big picture we are doing worse by far. He is truly plundering our nation.

Since the focus is economy, I'll address those points.

Yes, the economy improved under Obama. But that is natural to the bust and boom cycles of any economy. Obama slowed recovery just like FDR did. In fact, it was...

https://i.snag.gy/bFfpvY.jpg

And the economy continues to improve under Trump. Could it be those "harsh" methods like cutting taxes and rebulation? Who knows.

As for borrowing, the facts are as follows, U.S. Debt by President by Dollar and Percent (https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-president-by-dollar-and-percent-3306296):


...Donald Trump: As projected in the FY 2019 budget, Trump plans to add $4.775 trillion, a 29-percent increase from the $20.245 trillion debt at the end of Obama's last budget for FY 2017.

...Barack Obama: Added $8.588 trillion, a 74-percent increase from the $11.657 trillion debt at the end of Bush’s last budget, FY 2009.

Seems they have both borrowed a lot.

[Peter1469]

"Twice as strong"? That's certainly a claim you can't prove.

The economic upturn began with Obama and the trend has continued. Trump's tax cuts have helped economic growth, but they have also contributed to the growing deficit.

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If you take your graph and average it out, the post tax cut economy is out performing the pre-tax economy by 100% in increase in GDP. It is much more apparent if you look back to when Obama took office.

[Just AnotherPerson]

Since the focus is economy, I'll address those points.

Yes, the economy improved under Obama. But that is natural to the bust and boom cycles of any economy. Obama slowed recovery just like FDR did. In fact, it was...

https://i.snag.gy/bFfpvY.jpg

And the economy continues to improve under Trump. Could it be those "harsh" methods like cutting taxes and rebulation? Who knows.

As for borrowing, the facts are as follows, U.S. Debt by President by Dollar and Percent (https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-president-by-dollar-and-percent-3306296):



Seems they have both borrowed a lot.
I never said that they didn't both borrow a lot. You are right about that. My point was the even with the methods of going green and not harming the environment growth was still happening. I am not sticking up for Obama though. I was very displeased in many ways with him. I did not think he was working hard enough at going green, I think he could have been more aggressive. I didn't agree with Obama care, or his mass murder of Syrians.

I strongly disagree with trumps methods at fixing our economy. That is just how I feel about it. Just sharing my opinion, not trying to change yours.

[Peter1469]

Trump never said he was a conservative. He said what he'd like to do. Some of it I liked, some of it I didn't believe was possible and some of it I didn't care about.

Clinton disgusted me. She would have been nailing the coffin lid on America.

Given the choices, I picked Trump, warts and all.
Agree about Trump and Hillary.

I voted 3rd Party and plan to in the future.

I do like what Trump has done for the federal judiciary. I am disappointed that Trump has caved on his foreign policy position that he articulated in his May 2016 speech- that was amazing. What he has done, largely is just wrong in the foreign policy world. He also should have vetoed all spending bills from Congress.

[Peter1469]

Everything Obama said about the future of our economy has been disproved.
He said that out of frustration because his plans for the economy dampened economic growth.

[Chris]

I never said that they didn't both borrow a lot. You are right about that. My point was the even with the methods of going green and not harming the environment growth was still happening. I am not sticking up for Obama though. I was very displeased in many ways with him. I did not think he was working hard enough at going green, I think he could have been more aggressive. I didn't agree with Obama care, or his mass murder of Syrians.

I strongly disagree with trumps methods at fixing our economy. That is just how I feel about it. Just sharing my opinion, not trying to change yours.


That's fine, how you feel, I was just presenting facts.


As for environment, we might compare actions each has taken, and feelings about that, but the effects won't be seen for decades or more, so there are no facts to really compare.

[Peter1469]

Here is how I see it, and I am no fan of Obama in many regards. But, during Obama we had a steady improvement of the economy, and he was not destroying the environment or giving tax breaks to the wealthy to do it. Recovery was slow but even though he was gearing towards green energy we were still recovering. Unlike Trump, he is using harsh methods to so called fix the economy. While he is fixing the economy he is destroying our land air and water, and ruining our nation. I would not call that progress. And, he is just borrowing in order to make it look like we are doing better. If you look at the big picture we are doing worse by far. He is truly plundering our nation.
Recovery was the slowest in US history under Obama. I can't support that under any circumstance.

The green energy field is doing just fine. They will cover 80% of human needs by the year 2100.

Things are better today than at any previous time in history.

[donttread]

I have never before seen the country so polarized as it is about Donald Trump: Some appear to view him as the very personification of all that is evil--he can do nothing right--whereas others seem to see him as the apotheosis of all that is good--and he can do no wrong.

Why can't we simply agree that he is a human being--just like the rest of us--and that, like the rest of us, he is sometimes right, and sometimes wrong?

Personally, I think that he has been right more often than not. But I did not care for his intrusion upon free trade; and his recent dustup with the Fed is not good either, in my opinion.

The country has been increasingly polarized for decades. Polarization causes people to defend the indefenceable , without which the donkephant would have to be evaluated on it's collective actions . In that case they could not survive.

[Private Pickle]

I think that you misunderstand the #metoo movement. It's not about philandering males or even hound dogs, it's about men using some form of coercion to get what they want from women sexually or disregarding their right not to be 'manhandled' by an aggressive male, which includes groping or having kisses forced upon them or worse. It also includes having their right to privacy while they are dressing violated. Women can be as promiscuous as men, but at the end of the day, when it comes to defending oneself against unwanted attentions, men have the physical advantage over women and often have significant control in the corporate power structure which some are not averse to using for their own sexual gratification.

Right... Presidents never have used their power over women... Especially the "hound dogs"....

[MisterVeritis]

I never said that they didn't both borrow a lot. You are right about that. My point was the even with the methods of going green and not harming the environment growth was still happening. I am not sticking up for Obama though. I was very displeased in many ways with him. I did not think he was working hard enough at going green, I think he could have been more aggressive. I didn't agree with Obama care, or his mass murder of Syrians.

I strongly disagree with trumps methods at fixing our economy. That is just how I feel about it. Just sharing my opinion, not trying to change yours.
"Green" is the new home of the Marxist Reds. We can do without it.

We will change energy producing technologies when the market demands it.

[Just AnotherPerson]

Recovery was the slowest in US history under Obama. I can't support that under any circumstance.

The green energy field is doing just fine. They will cover 80% of human needs by the year 2100.

Things are better today than at any previous time in history.
We do not have till 2100. And I cant support killing people for prosperity in any way.

[Just AnotherPerson]

"Green" is the new home of the Marxist Reds. We can do without it.

We will change energy producing technologies when the market demands it.

Well sad for you, you will see it in your lifetime. It will happen, if it don't, then you wont see it, because we will all be dead, because we destroyed this earth. It is not just about green energy, it is about the harms that come to this planet from this old outdated way of doing things. People normally get smarter as time goes on. We tend to evolve. For instance in the past people used to radiate themselves on purpose because they though it would have some magical healing properties, then later when the facts and science came out, no one would even touch radio active stuff. But because of the greed of just a handful of people, we have to stand by while they destroy our planet. We have to stand by while we watch our loved ones die in horrible ways. That is unacceptable. There are ways to make money without killing mass amounts of people and destroying the earth.

In your opinion an anti American, Marxist is someone who does not believe we have the right to kill our fellow Americans for money. I am sure that even you can see the absurdity of that.

I don't agree with the stances of the Marxists. You are wrong to call me a Marxist, I am no such thing. Just so you know the demand has been here for a long time. But the mega corps are forcing us to stay in the old outdated planet destroying ways.

[Just AnotherPerson]

That's fine, how you feel, I was just presenting facts.


As for environment, we might compare actions each has taken, and feelings about that, but the effects won't be seen for decades or more, so there are no facts to really compare.
It is a fact that Trump is using earth destroying methods. But I can talk about how I feel about it but my feelings are based on facts. If you want to believe that no one is dying from burning coal, and no one is dying from fracking. If you want to believe we are not polluting and destroying this earth, go ahead and believe a lie. While you are trying to push your lies on the rest of us our families are dying from the dirty practices being forced on us by the corporations. You can believe in lies all you want. Obama was trying to stop that kind of killing of our own citizens. That is one thing. At least Obama was not trying to kill us for money and prosperity. Ha that is what you call a true American someone who is not afraid to kill their own citizens if it means prosperity. But Trump he is killing people in other nations for money and killing us too. We mean nothing to him. It is like you are worshiping your own killer. Good work!

[Lummy]

I find him lacking in economic knowledge but just right when it comes to court nominations.


Said the same yesterday about Reagan, that we shouldn't hold him up as a God, he was just a man who did good but made mistakes.

What are you talking about? Trump has a very strong background in business and has written several books about business. Doh. He also knows the future of business, and I trust him implicitly.

Trump is a far, far more authentic and valid president than Reagan ever was. Trump is the bomb! The right person in the right place at the right time.

[Chris]

What are you talking about? Trump has a very strong background in business and has written several books about business. Doh. He also knows the future of business, and I trust him implicitly.

Trump is a far, far more authentic and valid president than Reagan ever was. Trump is the bomb! The right person in the right place at the right time.


Business and economics are two different things.

Not sure he's all that great a businessman either.

[Chris]

It is a fact that Trump is using earth destroying methods. But I can talk about how I feel about it but my feelings are based on facts. If you want to believe that no one is dying from burning coal, and no one is dying from fracking. If you want to believe we are not polluting and destroying this earth, go ahead and believe a lie. While you are trying to push your lies on the rest of us our families are dying from the dirty practices being forced on us by the corporations. You can believe in lies all you want. Obama was trying to stop that kind of killing of our own citizens. That is one thing. At least Obama was not trying to kill us for money and prosperity. Ha that is what you call a true American someone who is not afraid to kill their own citizens if it means prosperity. But Trump he is killing people in other nations for money and killing us too. We mean nothing to him. It is like you are worshiping your own killer. Good work!


It is not fact. If it were, you'd post facts instead of your self-righteous moralizing.

[MisterVeritis]

Well sad for you, you will see it in your lifetime. It will happen, if it don't, then you wont see it, because we will all be dead, because we destroyed this earth.
This is the kinds of thing kooks believe. Sane, rational people do not believe this nonsense.

[Kalkin]

I'd rather put my faith into someone who hasn't got a history of ripping people off.My faith is put into myself and my friends and family. Putting your faith in a politician is the equivalent of investing your retirement savings into fool's gold.

[MisterVeritis]

Well sad for you, you will see it in your lifetime. It will happen, if it don't, then you wont see it, because we will all be dead, because we destroyed this earth. It is not just about green energy, it is about the harms that come to this planet from this old outdated way of doing things. People normally get smarter as time goes on. We tend to evolve. For instance in the past people used to radiate themselves on purpose because they though it would have some magical healing properties, then later when the facts and science came out, no one would even touch radio active stuff. But because of the greed of just a handful of people, we have to stand by while they destroy our planet. We have to stand by while we watch our loved ones die in horrible ways. That is unacceptable. There are ways to make money without killing mass amounts of people and destroying the earth.

In your opinion an anti American, Marxist is someone who does not believe we have the right to kill our fellow Americans for money. I am sure that even you can see the absurdity of that.

I don't agree with the stances of the Marxists. You are wrong to call me a Marxist, I am no such thing. Just so you know the demand has been here for a long time. But the mega corps are forcing us to stay in the old outdated planet destroying ways.
Consider a few points. Individuals do not evolve. Populations evolve. Evolution is not about becoming smarter. It is about best fitting the situation.

Please continue.

[MisterVeritis]

Business and economics are two different things.

Not sure he's all that great a businessman either.
Cool. Just as a measure, how many billions are your companies worth? How many individuals have created private companies worth billions of dollars?

[Captdon]

AH, ok, yea, I agree with the tax and regulatory cutbacks. Those make economic sense. I was thinking more of his tariffs, which don't make economic sense, though politically he may end up with better trade deals.

They make sense if they work. If not, I don't see us worse off except temporarily.

[nathanbforrest45]

There is an old proverb that states that you cannot make a silk purse of a sow's ear. Trump's history is a rather sordid tale of greed and discreditable behavior that left other people the poorer for knowing him or doing business with him. I will not go into the more salacious aspects. Suffice it to say that he is a salesman and the ends do not justify the means.

You don't like him because he is a successful business man who appears to be bringing that success to Washington as well. In your mind every successful business man owes his success to his greed and underhanded dealings. What about the successful sports figure or the successful entertainer? For every successful sports figure or entertainer there are hundreds of also rans, B listers, who are almost as good but not quite good enough. Were they not kept from being best by someone who was better?

Your problem is that you just cannot stand someone who might actually be better than you are.

[nathanbforrest45]

But would you share a jail cell with him?

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[Just AnotherPerson]

It is not fact. If it were, you'd post facts instead of your self-righteous moralizing.

I post facts all of the time, but you don't believe in those. Even if you had a list of facts you would not know what they mean.

[nathanbforrest45]

That is actually a really good question. I'm assuming his supporters identify as republican or tea partier.
We identify as small government constitutionalist. Read my signature line for my position on all things politic.

[Kalkin]

We identify as small government constitutionalist. Read my signature line for my position on all things politic.
Love the sig. I might differ only in that one side wants to control the other while the other wants to be free of such shackles.

[Captdon]

His doctor, Max Jacobson, turned him into a meth head (https://nypost.com/2013/04/21/the-kennedy-meth/).

Kennedy said he'd take horse piss if it worked.The WH doctors told him they were not appropriate drugs and he stopped using them. He was given steroids and amphetamines. Steroids were probably the right meds. Meth wasn't. I wouldn't be surprised if he used an early form of Viagra. He has an addiction to sex.

[nathanbforrest45]

His doctor, Max Jacobson, turned him into a meth head (https://nypost.com/2013/04/21/the-kennedy-meth/).


I don't believe this.

[nathanbforrest45]

He wasn't "Mr. Grabby"? How the hell do you know that? He was a philanderer. You seriously don't think he used his position of power over women? If he were the POTUS today he would be trending on Twitter and the center investigation of a Congressional hearing on his impeachment due to his perjury about sleeping with other women...

Kinda like Clinton... You know... The other guy who wasn't "Mr. Grabby"?

Know the difference between Clinton and Trump? No one has accused Trump of rape...

Don't give them ideas.

[Captdon]

Meth isn't a pain medication for most doctors.

No, but this was 1960-63. Who knew what meth was then? The whole Kennedy clan were sexual addicts too.

[Captdon]

What I find... amusing is the complete lack of objectivity from the HUTA (head up Trump's ass) crowd.

I didn't vote for him and I wouldn't vote for him in two years, I voted for Gary Johnson since he was the only legit conservative on the ticket. And I stopped voting all together so it's moot but I wouldn't vote for Trump if I still did.

I'm not a partisan cheerleader, I'm a conservative, when I voted I did so with integrity, I voted conservative. That's more than Trump voters can say but I knew he was a dirtbag before the election and I wasn't going to sacrifice my integrity just to "vote against" Rodham or tow the partisan line or be a cheerleader.

And that's my big issue with "democracy" here, people don't vote with integrity, they don their pom poms and team jerseys and are just part of the home team.

But... my point, if RW partisan hacks can't acknowledge how much of a dirtbag Trump is then they either are brain dead or completely oblivious of their surroundings. Or both likely.

If Trump were a DNC candidate or a DNC candidate that conducted himself the way Trump has/does, can you imagine the gnashing of teeth and vitriol that would come from this crowd?

It's really a joke and why I can't support "democracy" here, it's a waste of time. It's like the WWF.

Like Trish, you don't know why we voted for him. We voted for policies. That seems to be over your head. I knew we had only two real choices and Johnson wasn't one of them.

I knew what Trump and Clinton were. I had to choose one of them or let others elect the President. I decided that Trump was a better choice. I still think it.

There was never a chance that Stein or Johnson were going to be in the WH unless they bought tickets.

If Trump had been the Democratic candidate is a thought too ridiculous to think about.

You voted for a loser and I didn't. That's what grabs your ass and shakes it. You talk about dialogue but post this shit.

[Chris]

It is a fact that Trump is using earth destroying methods. But I can talk about how I feel about it but my feelings are based on facts. If you want to believe that no one is dying from burning coal, and no one is dying from fracking. If you want to believe we are not polluting and destroying this earth, go ahead and believe a lie. While you are trying to push your lies on the rest of us our families are dying from the dirty practices being forced on us by the corporations. You can believe in lies all you want. Obama was trying to stop that kind of killing of our own citizens. That is one thing. At least Obama was not trying to kill us for money and prosperity. Ha that is what you call a true American someone who is not afraid to kill their own citizens if it means prosperity. But Trump he is killing people in other nations for money and killing us too. We mean nothing to him. It is like you are worshiping your own killer. Good work!


I post facts all of the time, but you don't believe in those. Even if you had a list of facts you would not know what they mean.


In your post above point out a single fact. I don't see a single one. I see at best conclusions that you assume self-righteously as true even though you offer no argument from facts, and I see a lot of moralizing aimed at shaming that fails because there's no factual foundation to your assumed truths.

[Chris]

Like Trish, you don't know why we voted for him. We voted for policies. That seems to be over your head. I knew we had only two real choices and Johnson wasn't one of them.

I knew what Trump and Clinton were. I had to choose one of them or let others elect the President. I decided that Trump was a better choice. I still think it.

There was never a chance that Stein or Johnson were going to be in the WH unless they bought tickets.

If Trump had been the Democratic candidate is a thought too ridiculous to think about.

You voted for a loser and I didn't. That's what grabs your ass and shakes it. You talk about dialogue but post this shit.


And Johnson was libertarian, and somewhat goofy at that.

[Captdon]

Lol...

Meanwhile in reality, the economic trends haven't really changed. The unemployment rate has been steadily declining for the last 8 years. Economic growth has been steadily increasing for the last 8 years.

The major difference over the last two years is only the perception of the Trump desciples/sycophants. The trends have remained the same, but now that the gay black communist Muslim terrorist is gone, America is great again. Essentially, Trump's simplistic worshippers are dim and myopic.

Manufacturing jobs are coming back.

Workers are getting paid more.



The housing market is becoming better for the seller.

Consumers spending is up.

Consumer confidence is up.

Up from what? Obama.

Oh , Trump shit all over your boy. Yea, that's it.

[nathanbforrest45]

Like Trish, you don't know why we voted for him. We voted for policies. That seems to be over your head. I knew we had only two real choices and Johnson wasn't one of them.

I knew what Trump and Clinton were. I had to choose one of them or let others elect the President. I decided that Trump was a better choice. I still think it.

There was never a chance that Stein or Johnson were going to be in the WH unless they bought tickets.

If Trump had been the Democratic candidate is a thought too ridiculous to think about.

You voted for a loser and I didn't. That's what grabs your ass and shakes it. You talk about dialogue but post this $#@!.
Reposted for its clarity of thought.

[Captdon]

Neither.

Oh, I had my money on both.

[Captdon]

...not if you're a crazy person. In order to violate ones integrity, one must be dishonest and be in conflict with ones morality. If someone simply lacks critical thinking skills and is unaware of their idiocy, they can actually retain their integrity while simultaneously espousing retarded views.

Essentially, you can say a bunch of sycophant idiotic $#@!, but if you're dumb enough to actually believe it, you're not lacking integrity...you're just a $#@!ing delusional moron.

Stop being so hard on yourself. We understand. You're Canadian as well.

[Captdon]

So you admit that the 60's were a different time...especially with regards to women's rights and their vocalization about sexual harassment... Yet you completely deny the idea that there was anything remotely that could attribute a philanderer like Kennedy. Ignorance much?



Women loved Clinton too. He was impeached. What part of this #metoo understatement are you not getting?

Clinton was impeached for lying under oath.

[Captdon]

President Obama inherited an absolute economic catastrophic disaster from the Republicans. He turned it around completely and breathed life back into the economy again. Instead of people losing their homes, people began buying homes again.

The Fed threw 6 trillion dollars into the economy at .01 interest rate, That's what changed the economy. Obama didn't have a clue. name just one thing he did that changed the economy.

[Captdon]

Your first sentence says, "some of you". The second sentence reads, "you leaving a place you hate so much".

I know, Cap, I'm being a smarty-pants, know-it-all, Mr. Smarter than anyone else, aren't I? Because I can read.

:rollseyes:

You said I told Trish that. I didn't. I told Alexa that. Reading and understanding what you read are not the same thing. So, what's your excuse for that? You thought you had me but you didn't. Want to continue?

[Captdon]

Oh well...

What makes it harder is when you guys have your head up Trump's ass so far that you can't recognize how much of a dirtbag he is.

Seriously, step back and look, if you created a list of scumbag things Trump did or was involved in it would be as long as the ACA.

Why do you people fear objectivity? Honest question.

Honest answer- I don't. Objectively, I saw two choices and picked the one I agreed with the most. You picked a guy who was a loser from day one. Now, why did you do that and then complain about who I picked?

Let's have a dialogue if you have it in you.

[Captdon]

I post facts all of the time, but you don't believe in those. Even if you had a list of facts you would not know what they mean.

Whoever told you that you were smart was lying to you.

[Captdon]

I don't believe this.

It's mostly true. The addict part wasn't. The WH doctors warned him of that. He did use it for a year or so for the pain.

[Captain Obvious]

Honest answer- I don't. Objectively, I saw two choices and picked the one I agreed with the most. You picked a guy who was a loser from day one. Now, why did you do that and then complain about who I picked?

Let's have a dialogue if you have it in you.

Who complained about who you picked?

I voted for the only conservative on the platform. I don't care if he didn't have a snowballs chance of winning, that was the candidate that I most politically aligned with.

I wasn't going to vote for Trump. I'm glad he won, he's done some really good things, I've said that already - do you even read the stuff I say or are you just spitballing?

I also know he's a piece of dirt, that's well established and if my vote is going to count for anything then I'm going to vote in good conscious and with integrity, but it doesn't count for anything because there's too many drooling idiots who just vote in popularity contests. Which is why I'm not voting anymore, it's a farce.

And you didn't answer my question, I doubt you will.

[MisterVeritis]

Who complained about who you picked?

I voted for the only conservative on the platform. I don't care if he didn't have a snowballs chance of winning, that was the candidate that I most politically aligned with.

I wasn't going to vote for Trump. I'm glad he won, he's done some really good things, I've said that already - do you even read the stuff I say or are you just spitballing?

I also know he's a piece of dirt, that's well established and if my vote is going to count for anything then I'm going to vote in good conscious and with integrity, but it doesn't count for anything because there's too many drooling idiots who just vote in popularity contests. Which is why I'm not voting anymore, it's a farce.

And you didn't answer my question, I doubt you will.
In my opinion, this is why you will always be one of life's losers. You lack sense. You lack reasoning skills. And you lack perspective.

[Captain Obvious]

In my opinion, this is why you will always be one of life's losers. You lack sense. You lack reasoning skills. And you lack perspective.

CVS all out of 3X adult diapers?

[MisterVeritis]

http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by MisterVeritis http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=2496303#post2496303)
In my opinion, this is why you will always be one of life's losers. You lack sense. You lack reasoning skills. And you lack perspective.

CVS all out of 3X adult diapers?
If that is a need you have I suggest you call them or go online. It took 10 seconds to find it but here is a helpful link. https://www.cvs.com/

[Captain Obvious]

http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by MisterVeritis http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=2496303#post2496303)
In my opinion, this is why you will always be one of life's losers. You lack sense. You lack reasoning skills. And you lack perspective.

If that is a need you have I suggest you call them or go online. It took 10 seconds to find it but here is a helpful link. https://www.cvs.com/
I'm sure you knew exactly where to find them.

:biglaugh:

[Peter1469]

We do not have till 2100. And I cant support killing people for prosperity in any way.


Relax. We will be just fine. Everything is getting better so far as green energy goes.

If you want to get upset focus on our debt.

[MisterVeritis]

http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by MisterVeritis http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=2496303#post2496303)
In my opinion, this is why you will always be one of life's losers. You lack sense. You lack reasoning skills. And you lack perspective.

If that is a need you have I suggest you call them or go online. It took 10 seconds to find it but here is a helpful link. https://www.cvs.com/

I'm sure you knew exactly where to find them.

No. It is not a store I go to. I looked it up just for you. I do try to be helpful, especially for people who lack sense, reasoning skills, and perspective.

[Peter1469]

I don't believe this.
It is in the public record.

[Peter1469]

No, but this was 1960-63. Who knew what meth was then? The whole Kennedy clan were sexual addicts too.
It was the beginning of methamphetamines. And JFK was hooked.

[Peter1469]

Like Trish, you don't know why we voted for him. We voted for policies. That seems to be over your head. I knew we had only two real choices and Johnson wasn't one of them.

I knew what Trump and Clinton were. I had to choose one of them or let others elect the President. I decided that Trump was a better choice. I still think it.

There was never a chance that Stein or Johnson were going to be in the WH unless they bought tickets.

If Trump had been the Democratic candidate is a thought too ridiculous to think about.

You voted for a loser and I didn't. That's what grabs your ass and shakes it. You talk about dialogue but post this shit.
If the GOP does not run a real conservative the GOP will never have my vote. I will vote third party and smile at people who claim it was a waste.

And voting (D) or (R) will result in a currency collapse. I am prepared. How many others can say that?

[MisterVeritis]

If the GOP does not run a real conservative the GOP will never have my vote. I will vote third party and smile at people who claim it was a waste.

And voting (D) or (R) will result in a currency collapse. I am prepared. How many others can say that?
The currency will collapse regardless. I already told you why. You have (foolishly) rejected the only solution. It is on you and others who believe as you do.

[nathanbforrest45]

It is in the public record.

I don't care, I don't believe it. Sorry

[Private Pickle]

Clinton was impeached for lying under oath.

That and obstruction of justice stemming from the Paula Jones sexual harassment lawsuit. Coming together for you?

[donttread]

In my opinion, this is why you will always be one of life's losers. You lack sense. You lack reasoning skills. And you lack perspective.

In other words CO, you dare to lack agreement with MV. LOL

[donttread]

Manufacturing jobs are coming back.

Workers are getting paid more.



The housing market is becoming better for the seller.

Consumers spending is up.

Consumer confidence is up.

Up from what? Obama.

Oh , Trump shit all over your boy. Yea, that's it.

Debt and spending continue to grow out of control!

[Chris]

Debt and spending continue to grow out of control!

Look to Congress for that.

[Captdon]

Who complained about who you picked?

I voted for the only conservative on the platform. I don't care if he didn't have a snowballs chance of winning, that was the candidate that I most politically aligned with.

I wasn't going to vote for Trump. I'm glad he won, he's done some really good things, I've said that already - do you even read the stuff I say or are you just spitballing?

I also know he's a piece of dirt, that's well established and if my vote is going to count for anything then I'm going to vote in good conscious and with integrity, but it doesn't count for anything because there's too many drooling idiots who just vote in popularity contests. Which is why I'm not voting anymore, it's a farce.

And you didn't answer my question, I doubt you will.

You always say I don't answer your questions but you mean I didn't answer them the way upou wanted. I told you what my object was and you ignored it.

Your opinion of Trump doesn't matter to me. I'm not campaigning for him. I told you why I voted for him. Your opinion of hom means as much as any Democrat's. Nothing.

To put it another way, I got what I wanted. I'll have to see how much of it I got. My vote counted. It elected a President.

[Captdon]

It is in the public record.

No it is not. It is in a book. To believe the Secret Service wouldn't just stand in front of the door to keep him in the room or that others wouldn't have intervened should have been a giveaway.

None of this except for the Addison's Disease is in a public record. That came from the autopsy.

[Captdon]

It was the beginning of methamphetamines. And JFK was hooked.

You offer a book as proof. That makes the Steele Dossier correct.

[Captdon]

If the GOP does not run a real conservative the GOP will never have my vote. I will vote third party and smile at people who claim it was a waste.

And voting (D) or (R) will result in a currency collapse. I am prepared. How many others can say that?

Smile all you want. It's a free country.

[Captdon]

That and obstruction of justice stemming from the Paula Jones sexual harassment lawsuit. Coming together for you?

No. It was only for lying under oath. Perjury. It had nothing to do with Paula Jones. She was just paid off.

Get someone to explain the difference.

[Captdon]

Debt and spending continue to grow out of control!

Yea, it does. They're even there. You ignored the rest because Obama was a failure . He was just a liberal with a new paint job.

[Peter1469]

No it is not. It is in a book. To believe the Secret Service wouldn't just stand in front of the door to keep him in the room or that others wouldn't have intervened should have been a giveaway.

None of this except for the Addison's Disease is in a public record. That came from the autopsy.

It isn't just one book. Numerous articles have covered it from reputable sources to include the NYT and the History Channel.

[Private Pickle]

No. It was only for lying under oath. Perjury. It had nothing to do with Paula Jones. She was just paid off.

Get someone to explain the difference.

Google is your friend.


The impeachment (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment) of Bill Clinton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton), the 42nd President of the United States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_United_States), was initiated in December 1998 by the House of Representatives (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives) and led to a trial in the Senate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate) on two charges, one of perjury (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perjury) and one of obstruction of justice (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obstruction_of_justice).[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton#cite_note-1) These charges stemmed from a sexual harassment lawsuit filed against Clinton by Paula Jones (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paula_Jones). Clinton was subsequently acquitted (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acquittal) of these charges by the Senate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate) on February 12, 1999.[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton#cite_note-2) Two other impeachment (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_States) articles – a second perjury charge and a charge of abuse of power (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abuse_of_power) – failed in the House.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton
I'll just go ahead an rely on the facts vs. getting someone who thinks they know but actually don't to explain the difference...

[MisterVeritis]

In my opinion, this is why you will always be one of life's losers. You lack sense. You lack reasoning skills. And you lack perspective.

In other words CO, you dare to lack agreement with MV. LOL
That plus he lacks sense, reasoning skills, and perspective.

[Captdon]

Google is your friend.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton
I'll just go ahead an rely on the facts vs. getting someone who thinks they know but actually don't to explain the difference...

Dummy. The lying under oath was the obstruction of justice. You came so close. You should have gotten better advice.

[Private Pickle]

Dummy. The lying under oath was the obstruction of justice. You came so close. You should have gotten better advice.
What does "and" mean to you? What does "Two charges mean to you"? You obviously skipped English in school for the sake of moron class. See I can call names too! Fun!

[Dr. Who]

You know its one thing to cast your vote for a politician who at least in the first instance was not renowned for moral turpitude and disreputable financial conduct versus voting for someone who was infamous for these things. Would you invest money with a man who the banks won't touch with a ten-foot pole? Would you involve yourself in a business deal with a man with a history of 1200 lawsuits by unpaid contractors and shafted investors? Would you really want any financial relationship with a man who employs a crooked lawyer as a 'fixer' for his legal woes and who ran a fraudulent university in order to bilk students of tuition like a common grifter?

Yet you invest your vote in such a man whose middle name should be Fraud, in the hopes that he will make anything right. The man had a laundry list of wishes, cherry-picked from the conservative media talking heads that he sold to the willingly blind. He's not a politician, he's a largely failed CEO. Does he even try to unite the right, never mind gain support from the left? No. He is a divisive force in the Republican party who either keep their disdain for him to themselves but occasionally dare to speak out. He goes out of his way to divide the public. Where it counts, he doesn't get Republican votes despite the fact that they may disingenuously sing his praises in public. He is about to become another lame duck President midway in his first term of office. He is surrounded by people who have been or are now indicted for unlawful activities, some of whom who have now been convicted. He is like a dystopic Pigpen in the Charlie Brown comic strip with his own personal cloud of corruption following him.

Did no one ever tell you about the results of making a deal with the devil?

[MisterVeritis]

You know its one thing to cast your vote for a politician who at least in the first instance was not renowned for moral turpitude and disreputable financial conduct versus voting for someone who was infamous for these things. Would you invest money with a man who the banks won't touch with a ten-foot pole? Would you involve yourself in a business deal with a man with a history of 1200 lawsuits by unpaid contractors and shafted investors? Would you really want any financial relationship with a man who employs a crooked lawyer as a 'fixer' for his legal woes and who ran a fraudulent university in order to bilk students of tuition like a common grifter?

Yet you invest your vote in such a man whose middle name should be Fraud, in the hopes that he will make anything right. The man had a laundry list of wishes, cherry-picked from the conservative media talking heads that he sold to the willingly blind. He's not a politician, he's a largely failed CEO. Does he even try to unite the right, never mind gain support from the left? No. He is a divisive force in the Republican party who either keep their disdain for him to themselves but occasionally dare to speak out. He goes out of his way to divide the public. Where it counts, he doesn't get Republican votes despite the fact that they may disingenuously sing his praises in public. He is about to become another lame duck President midway in his first term of office. He is surrounded by people who have been or are now indicted for unlawful activities, some of whom who have now been convicted. He is like a dystopic Pigpen in the Charlie Brown comic strip with his own personal cloud of corruption following him.

Did no one ever tell you about the results of making a deal with the devil?
We made no deal with the devil. Crooked Hillary was soundly defeated. We voted for Trump. He won. We won.

[Boris The Animal]

Some of us prefer not to have a racist grifter as President, and some of us, like you, like to make excuses for the inexcusable.

Go figure.Yeah, sure. Obunghole was clean and pure, right? Remember his all out assault on whites and LEOs?

[Dr. Who]

We made no deal with the devil. Crooked Hillary was soundly defeated. We voted for Trump. He won. We won.

I suspect that you are predisposed not to recognize the devil if you tripped over him. Hillary was and is indeed crooked which is no excuse for putting an equally depraved individual into power just because he was singing along to the conservative dog whistles.

[Boris The Animal]

I suspect that you are predisposed not to recognize the devil if you tripped over him. Hillary was and is indeed crooked which is no excuse for putting an equally depraved individual into power just because he was singing along to the conservative dog whistles.
My ONE AND ONLY reason why my vote went to Trump was to protect the SCOTUS at all costs from the Left. So far he's delivered. Once Ruth Vader is gone, the Conservatives can solidify their majority and hopefully overturn some of the more egregious rulings like Roe.

[Dr. Who]

My ONE AND ONLY reason why my vote went to Trump was to protect the SCOTUS at all costs from the Left. So far he's delivered. Once Ruth Vader is gone, the Conservatives can solidify their majority and hopefully overturn some of the more egregious rulings like Roe.
Once you have sold your soul, you can't get it back. You are damned.

[Chris]

I see TDS ha driven self-righteous moralizing to the level where Trump is the devil.

[Peter1469]

I see TDS ha driven self-righteous moralizing to the level where Trump is the devil.

That sums it up.

[Trish]

I see TDS ha driven self-righteous moralizing to the level where Trump is the devil.

Donald Trump is not a good person. He is the epitome of both, ignorance and want. He will never be given respect because he is not worthy. Anyone who supports this man gives his ignorance and want power and makes them an extension of who he is. It puts a stain on whomever supports him.

[Chris]

Donald Trump is not a good person. He is the epitome of both, ignorance and want. He will never be given respect because he is not worthy. Anyone who supports this man gives his ignorance and want power and makes them an extension of who he is. It puts a stain on whomever supports him.

Same response, actually.

Up front, I don't like Trump personally, don't like the way he presents himself. Then again I didn't like the way Obama presented himself either, smooth talker and all. But I manage to seperate that from their politics. Trump, as I've made clear many a time, I agree with on some actions, like tax cuts and deregulation and court nominations, but disagree with him on the wall (not immigration) and tariffs, and I'm well aware of arguments on these actions and more, and those disagreements lead to interesting discussions. But to simply condemn his actions for the way he presents himself I can never agree with.

Let me explain what I mean by self-righteous moralizing. The self-righteous part is the assumption some one or group or thing or abstraction has violated law, Constitution, morals based on mere accusation, the assumption of truth without so much as a rational argument supporing it. Self-righteousness also assume a sense of moral superiority and ties into moralizing: "comment on issues of right and wrong, typically with an unfounded air of superiority." The moralizing also aims to associate the same moral evil assumed and accused with anyone who disagrees. This applies here to Trump but it also applies to many other topics.

Not liking Trump, OK, that's your perogative. Same with just liking him. Sorry, but it just doesn't amount to much.

[Captdon]

You know its one thing to cast your vote for a politician who at least in the first instance was not renowned for moral turpitude and disreputable financial conduct versus voting for someone who was infamous for these things. Would you invest money with a man who the banks won't touch with a ten-foot pole? Would you involve yourself in a business deal with a man with a history of 1200 lawsuits by unpaid contractors and shafted investors? Would you really want any financial relationship with a man who employs a crooked lawyer as a 'fixer' for his legal woes and who ran a fraudulent university in order to bilk students of tuition like a common grifter?

Yet you invest your vote in such a man whose middle name should be Fraud, in the hopes that he will make anything right. The man had a laundry list of wishes, cherry-picked from the conservative media talking heads that he sold to the willingly blind. He's not a politician, he's a largely failed CEO. Does he even try to unite the right, never mind gain support from the left? No. He is a divisive force in the Republican party who either keep their disdain for him to themselves but occasionally dare to speak out. He goes out of his way to divide the public. Where it counts, he doesn't get Republican votes despite the fact that they may disingenuously sing his praises in public. He is about to become another lame duck President midway in his first term of office. He is surrounded by people who have been or are now indicted for unlawful activities, some of whom who have now been convicted. He is like a dystopic Pigpen in the Charlie Brown comic strip with his own personal cloud of corruption following him.

Did no one ever tell you about the results of making a deal with the devil?

You're slipping farther and farther away from reality. You are looking for God knows what. No one who voted for Trump was fooled about anything . We knew what we were getting.

That you don't like him doesn't mean anything. He won without your vote and he will be reelected without your vote. This applies to the whole left.

You try to psychobabble us and we just look at you and laugh. We elected the President we wanted. We don't need or ask for your approval.

[Captdon]

I suspect that you are predisposed not to recognize the devil if you tripped over him. Hillary was and is indeed crooked which is no excuse for putting an equally depraved individual into power just because he was singing along to the conservative dog whistles.

We won the election and it is just killing you. You voted for a loser if you voted at all. He will still be available for you to bitch about for 6 more years. Enjoy.

[Captdon]

It isn't just one book. Numerous articles have covered it from reputable sources to include the NYT and the History Channel.

Okay. The NYT did me in.

[Captdon]

We made no deal with the devil. Crooked Hillary was soundly defeated. We voted for Trump. He won. We won.

It seems as if the nuttier ones here think if they bitch enough they will wake up with Hildebeast as President.

They think if they bitch enough we will see the errors of our ways. They don't make sense. They don't understand what we wanted and got.

[Captdon]

Once you have sold your soul, you can't get it back. You are damned.

You worry about your soul and we'll worry about ours, those who believe they have one. I sold nothing but you are selling a bill of goods. You were bought cheaply and with little effort on Satan's part. He probably sent one of his minor demons to make his offer to you. Enjoy Hell.

[Captdon]

Donald Trump is not a good person. He is the epitome of both, ignorance and want. He will never be given respect because he is not worthy. Anyone who supports this man gives his ignorance and want power and makes them an extension of who he is. It puts a stain on whomever supports him.

I am an extension of no one. There is no stain on me. Trish, you need to look in a mirror after this one.

[Trish]

Same response, actually.

Up front, I don't like Trump personally, don't like the way he presents himself. Then again I didn't like the way Obama presented himself either, smooth talker and all. But I manage to seperate that from their politics. Trump, as I've made clear many a time, I agree with on some actions, like tax cuts and deregulation and court nominations, but disagree with him on the wall (not immigration) and tariffs, and I'm well aware of arguments on these actions and more, and those disagreements lead to interesting discussions. But to simply condemn his actions for the way he presents himself I can never agree with.

Let me explain what I mean by self-righteous moralizing. The self-righteous part is the assumption some one or group or thing or abstraction has violated law, Constitution, morals based on mere accusation, the assumption of truth without so much as a rational argument supporing it. Self-righteousness also assume a sense of moral superiority and ties into moralizing: "comment on issues of right and wrong, typically with an unfounded air of superiority." The moralizing also aims to associate the same moral evil assumed and accused with anyone who disagrees. This applies here to Trump but it also applies to many other topics.

Not liking Trump, OK, that's your perogative. Same with just liking him. Sorry, but it just doesn't amount to much.

Thanks Chris. I respect you and I appreciate our discussions. Many times I'm playing catch up intellectually with you on issues. (grin)

On Trump we disagree. It's beyond not liking this man. His lack of curiosity is a danger to this country. His bizarre fascination and propensity for dictators and authoritarians is concerning. His refusal to be transparent with his taxes raises questions. The fact that so many around him have been convicted, indicted or investigated speaks for itself.

I cannot wrap my mind around how so many Americans can turn the other way and pretend these things are normal and don't matter. I guess we all have a price but my soul is not for sale.

I will pass on supporting this man and keep my dignity. I'm not adverse to suffering a bit longer for the immigration and regulation reform that I agree needs to be done.

[Captain Obvious]

You worry about your soul and we'll worry about ours, those who believe they have one. I sold nothing but you are selling a bill of goods. You were bought cheaply and with little effort on Satan's part. He probably sent one of his minor demons to make his offer to you. Enjoy Hell.

Oh teh dramaz.

[Captdon]

Same response, actually.

Up front, I don't like Trump personally, don't like the way he presents himself. Then again I didn't like the way Obama presented himself either, smooth talker and all. But I manage to seperate that from their politics. Trump, as I've made clear many a time, I agree with on some actions, like tax cuts and deregulation and court nominations, but disagree with him on the wall (not immigration) and tariffs, and I'm well aware of arguments on these actions and more, and those disagreements lead to interesting discussions. But to simply condemn his actions for the way he presents himself I can never agree with.

Let me explain what I mean by self-righteous moralizing. The self-righteous part is the assumption some one or group or thing or abstraction has violated law, Constitution, morals based on mere accusation, the assumption of truth without so much as a rational argument supporing it. Self-righteousness also assume a sense of moral superiority and ties into moralizing: "comment on issues of right and wrong, typically with an unfounded air of superiority." The moralizing also aims to associate the same moral evil assumed and accused with anyone who disagrees. This applies here to Trump but it also applies to many other topics.

Not liking Trump, OK, that's your perogative. Same with just liking him. Sorry, but it just doesn't amount to much.

Oh, a little self-righteousness is needed to bring things to a head. Then we can make a choice. The sanctimonious left did just that and it did nothing for them. They turned into mental cases at best and idiots at worst.

I didn't vote for who gets to be God or the Pope. I voted for who gets to be President. Why these people think I would vote against my best interest is hard to understand.

We have been told now that we made a deal with the Devil and have been damned and have stains on us. I'm going to make a list for the next time I confess my sins.

[nathanbforrest45]

It isn't just one book. Numerous articles have covered it from reputable sources to include the NYT and the History Channel.
LOL LOL LOL

Such reputable sources as the NYT and the History Channel. I would believe the National Enquirer first.

[Captdon]

Oh teh dramaz.

I thought it was pretty good. I enjoy some moralizing when the opportunity presents itself. I couldn't pass on this one. She was talking about my soul. Mypriest used to worry about it too, bless his heart.

[Trish]

Oh, a little self-righteousness is needed to bring things to a head. Then we can make a choice. The sanctimonious left did just that and it did nothing for them. They turned into mental cases at best and idiots at worst.

I didn't vote for who gets to be God or the Pope. I voted for who gets to be President. Why these people think I would vote against my best interest is hard to understand.

We have been told now that we made a deal with the Devil and have been damned and have stains on us. I'm going to make a list for the next time I confess my sins.

I'm praying for you Capt'n even though I'm an agnostic. (wink) See miracles can happen. Don't tell DG. I don't want him to think I'm softening on religion.

[Trish]

I am an extension of no one. There is no stain on me. Trish, you need to look in a mirror after this one.

I'm sorry Capt'n but as an avid supporter of this President you are in fact an extension of him. You have embraced him and all he says and does. You can't separate the good and bad. It's a one package deal. What keeps our moral principles intact is being able to pass on the easy win when it's riddled and wrapped around so much bad.

Doing the right thing isn't easy and many times you end up losing the fight only to come back stronger to win the war. It builds character.

I believe those who support Trump are losing far more than they will win in the long run.

[MisterVeritis]

I suspect that you are predisposed not to recognize the devil if you tripped over him. Hillary was and is indeed crooked which is no excuse for putting an equally depraved individual into power just because he was singing along to the conservative dog whistles.
President Trump has courage and the right policies.

[Peter1469]

LOL LOL LOL

Such reputable sources as the NYT and the History Channel. I would believe the National Enquirer first.
That is funny.

[Cletus]

President Trump has courage and the right policies.

It really is that simple.

[Captdon]

I'm sorry Capt'n but as an avid supporter of this President you are in fact an extension of him. You have embraced him and all he says and does. You can't separate the good and bad. It's a one package deal. What keeps our moral principles intact is being able to pass on the easy win when it's riddled and wrapped around so much bad.

Doing the right thing isn't easy and many times you end up losing the fight only to come back stronger to win the war. It builds character.

I believe those who support Trump are losing far more than they will win in the long run.

My moral principles are just fine, thank you. I think it's immoral to allow a bunch of people to just walk in and steal my money. I voted for Trump to stop that.

I have embraced what I want him to do. I don't embrace everything he does or says. I don't care is what it is. What he says means nothing and you know that.

I did the right thing if only to keep Hildebaest out of the WH.


I believe those who support Trump are losing far more than they will win in the long run.

I haven't lost anything and no one else has either.

[donttread]

I have never before seen the country so polarized as it is about Donald Trump: Some appear to view him as the very personification of all that is evil--he can do nothing right--whereas others seem to see him as the apotheosis of all that is good--and he can do no wrong.

Why can't we simply agree that he is a human being--just like the rest of us--and that, like the rest of us, he is sometimes right, and sometimes wrong?

Personally, I think that he has been right more often than not. But I did not care for his intrusion upon free trade; and his recent dustup with the Fed is not good either, in my opinion.


where ya been the last couple of decades , Rip Van Winkle? The two "major gangs" have stayed in power despite dismal performance through increased polarization. Guess what for them to stay in power it has to get even worse! And it will of we allow it.

[suds00]

he's only concerned about himself and not governing according to our constitution

[Captdon]

I'm praying for you Capt'n even though I'm an agnostic. (wink) See miracles can happen. Don't tell DG. I don't want him to think I'm softening on religion.

Shh, not so loud.

You being an agnostic gives me hope.