Democrats Announce Major Changes To U.S. House Rules

[Captain Obvious]

https://www.npr.org/2019/01/02/681547346/democrats-announce-major-changes-to-u-s-house-rules

Top Democrats announced late Sunday a series of changes to House rules that could eliminate causes of major instability during the previous eight years of Republican rule in Congress.

"We are proposing historic changes that will modernize Congress, restore regular order and bring integrity back to this institution," said incoming House Rules Chairman James McGovern, D-Mass., in a statement explaining the changes.

When a new Congress convenes every two years, the majority party must approve a resolution outlining House rules, the intricate parliamentary procedures that govern the chamber. Two notable changes in the Democrats' package are aimed at avoiding certain confrontations that became commonplace during the Republican majority from 2011 until the GOP's 2018 midterm rout.

Democrats will revive the "Gephardt Rule," named for former House Democratic leader Rep. Dick Gephardt, D-Mo., that automatically raises the debt ceiling — the nation's borrowing limit — once the House passes a budget.

[Peter1469]

https://www.npr.org/2019/01/02/681547346/democrats-announce-major-changes-to-u-s-house-rules

Top Democrats announced late Sunday a series of changes to House rules that could eliminate causes of major instability during the previous eight years of Republican rule in Congress.

"We are proposing historic changes that will modernize Congress, restore regular order and bring integrity back to this institution," said incoming House Rules Chairman James McGovern, D-Mass., in a statement explaining the changes.

When a new Congress convenes every two years, the majority party must approve a resolution outlining House rules, the intricate parliamentary procedures that govern the chamber. Two notable changes in the Democrats' package are aimed at avoiding certain confrontations that became commonplace during the Republican majority from 2011 until the GOP's 2018 midterm rout.

Democrats will revive the "Gephardt Rule," named for former House Democratic leader Rep. Dick Gephardt, D-Mo., that automatically raises the debt ceiling — the nation's borrowing limit — once the House passes a budget.
The rule should be that the Congress cannot spend over the debt limit. These fools are hell bent on crashing the USD.

[Chris]

Republics didn't cut borrowing and spending and the Democrats's solution is to automate it.

[MMC]

The rule should be that the Congress cannot spend over the debt limit. These fools are hell bent on crashing the USD.
Aimed at avoiding confrontations that become commonplace during a Republican Majority or a Republican Rout. :laugh:


Hmmm I wonder what that will be that is in the best interest of the Demorats.


Even funnier is the Demos thinking they have integrity.

[MisterVeritis]

Democrats created the entitlement rules to automate spending increases on nearly the entire budget. The current percentage is approaching 80%. Now the Democrats will automate increasing the debt ceiling so they cannot be caught voting for it.

If we do not have a successful Article V convention of States to propose amendments we will lose this nation. It will be our fault.

[Peter1469]

Democrats created the entitlement rules to automate spending increases on nearly the entire budget. The current percentage is approaching 80%. Now the Democrats will automate increasing the debt ceiling so they cannot be caught voting for it.

If we do not have a successful Article V convention of States to propose amendments we will lose this nation. It will be our fault.
We will have a currency collapse. Then an Article V Convention can go forward.

[MisterVeritis]

We will have a currency collapse. Then an Article V Convention can go forward.
Then it will be too late.

[Peter1469]

Then it will be too late.

Why? Usually humans wait for the worse to happen before they make serious change.

[MisterVeritis]

Why? Usually humans wait for the worse to happen before they make serious change.
The amendment process in the best of times is a multi-year process. Do you really want to wait to do that until you are starving?

[Peter1469]

The amendment process in the best of times is a multi-year process. Do you really want to wait to do that until you are starving?

If it was up to me, a Convention would start now.

But it isn't up to me. So I prepare as best as I can.

[Peter1469]

https://www.npr.org/2019/01/02/681547346/democrats-announce-major-changes-to-u-s-house-rules

Top Democrats announced late Sunday a series of changes to House rules that could eliminate causes of major instability during the previous eight years of Republican rule in Congress.

"We are proposing historic changes that will modernize Congress, restore regular order and bring integrity back to this institution," said incoming House Rules Chairman James McGovern, D-Mass., in a statement explaining the changes.

When a new Congress convenes every two years, the majority party must approve a resolution outlining House rules, the intricate parliamentary procedures that govern the chamber. Two notable changes in the Democrats' package are aimed at avoiding certain confrontations that became commonplace during the Republican majority from 2011 until the GOP's 2018 midterm rout.

Democrats will revive the "Gephardt Rule," named for former House Democratic leader Rep. Dick Gephardt, D-Mo., that automatically raises the debt ceiling — the nation's borrowing limit — once the House passes a budget.
There seems to be some question as to what rule changes the dems want to make. One group wants a pay as you go provision which would require Congress to offset new spending with tax increases or budget cuts. The progressive wing to include AOC (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/budget-rules-sow-discord-among-democrats-as-new-congress-set-to-open-2019-01-02) is going apoplectic over the concept, calling it bad economics.


House Democrats are clashing over rules for the new Congress before it even opens, with three members slamming a budget provision they say will hamper their plans for health care and other priorities.

The House’s rules package for the Congress that convenes Thursday (https://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20181231/116-HRes6-SxS.pdf) contains what’s known as a pay-as-you-go provision, which would require new spending to be offset with either tax increases or budget cuts.


That provision isn’t sitting well with Rep. Ro Khanna of California and Rep.-elect Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, who call it “terrible economics” and a “dark political maneuver.”

[Tahuyaman]

https://www.npr.org/2019/01/02/681547346/democrats-announce-major-changes-to-u-s-house-rules


....Democrats will revive the "Gephardt Rule," named for former House Democratic leader Rep. Dick Gephardt, D-Mo., that automatically raises the debt ceiling — the nation's borrowing limit — once the House passes a budget.

Upon passage, they will immediately tell us how concerned they are about a national debt which will be passed on to our children and grandchildren


Then they will blame those who voted against their scheme.

[Tahuyaman]

There seems to be some question as to what rule changes the dems want to make. One group wants a pay as you go provision which would require Congress to offset new spending with tax increases or budget cuts. The progressive wing to include AOC (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/budget-rules-sow-discord-among-democrats-as-new-congress-set-to-open-2019-01-02) is going apologetic over the concept, calling it bad economics.

Apologetic? I assume you meant apoplectic?


What will they do when their tax increases result in a slowing economy and less revenues flowing into the treasury?

[Peter1469]

Apologetic? I assume you meant apoplectic?


What will they do when their tax increases result in a slowing economy and less revenues flowing into the treasury?
That is a problem with their plan. But it is better than ignoring the issue all together and ending the budget cap.

[Tahuyaman]

That is a problem with their plan. But it is better than ignoring the issue all together and ending the budget cap.

I don't see how simply automatically raising the debt ceiling solves the problem. It ensures that the problem never goes away. They need to be forced to reduce debt.

When they are given a choice of raising taxes or cutting spending, they will alway opt for raising taxes which doesn't reduce debt.

[Peter1469]

I don't how simply automatically raising the debt ceiling solves the problem.
Right.

[MisterVeritis]

I don't see how simply automatically raising the debt ceiling solves the problem. It ensures that the problem never goes away. They need to be forced to reduce debt.

When they are given a choice of raising taxes or cutting spending, they will alway opt for raising taxes which doesn't reduce debt.
Forced? How?

[Tahuyaman]

Here he goes again......

[MisterVeritis]

Here he goes again......
What? No answer?

[Tahuyaman]

What? No answer?
I’m not going to feed your need to troll and derail a thread.

[Hoosier8]

https://www.npr.org/2019/01/02/681547346/democrats-announce-major-changes-to-u-s-house-rules

Top Democrats announced late Sunday a series of changes to House rules that could eliminate causes of major instability during the previous eight years of Republican rule in Congress.

"We are proposing historic changes that will modernize Congress, restore regular order and bring integrity back to this institution," said incoming House Rules Chairman James McGovern, D-Mass., in a statement explaining the changes.

When a new Congress convenes every two years, the majority party must approve a resolution outlining House rules, the intricate parliamentary procedures that govern the chamber. Two notable changes in the Democrats' package are aimed at avoiding certain confrontations that became commonplace during the Republican majority from 2011 until the GOP's 2018 midterm rout.

Democrats will revive the "Gephardt Rule," named for former House Democratic leader Rep. Dick Gephardt, D-Mo., that automatically raises the debt ceiling — the nation's borrowing limit — once the House passes a budget.

Alexandria Cortez is against the Paygo option proposed because it would hinder the progressive agenda. In other words, it would hinder passing legislation that they can't pay for.

[Captdon]

https://www.npr.org/2019/01/02/681547346/democrats-announce-major-changes-to-u-s-house-rules

Top Democrats announced late Sunday a series of changes to House rules that could eliminate causes of major instability during the previous eight years of Republican rule in Congress.

"We are proposing historic changes that will modernize Congress, restore regular order and bring integrity back to this institution," said incoming House Rules Chairman James McGovern, D-Mass., in a statement explaining the changes.

When a new Congress convenes every two years, the majority party must approve a resolution outlining House rules, the intricate parliamentary procedures that govern the chamber. Two notable changes in the Democrats' package are aimed at avoiding certain confrontations that became commonplace during the Republican majority from 2011 until the GOP's 2018 midterm rout.

Democrats will revive the "Gephardt Rule," named for former House Democratic leader Rep. Dick Gephardt, D-Mo., that automatically raises the debt ceiling — the nation's borrowing limit — once the House passes a budget.

Automatically raise it? How nice.

Requiring bill text to be available for a full 72 hours before the bill can go the floor. (There’s a three-day rule now, but it’s enforcement is counted by calendar days between posting the floor vote, not the actual number of hours.) big deal
Reinstating the Gephardt rule that provides for the automatic engrossment of a House joint resolution (https://www.rollcall.com/decoder?utm_source=decoderLink&term=joint-resolution) changing the statutory limit when Congress has completed action on a budget resolution. Wow
Ending the Holman rule that Republicans reinstated two years ago to allow members to offer amendments to appropriations bills designed to reduce the scope and size of government. )yea, can't have that
Eliminating so-called dynamic scoring, another Republican-used tool that allows the Congressional Budget Office to provide macroeconomic analyses of bills that factor in projected economic growth resulting from the policy.
Requiring a three-fifths supermajority to pass legislation that would raise income taxes on the lowest-earning 80 percent of taxpayers. Yea, like that matters with them in control.
Granting voting rights to delegates of U.S. territories and the District of Columbia. (unconstitutional for passing a law)
Mandating all committees to hold a members-day hearing so that people who don’t sit on the panel can provide input on its agenda.
Creating a diversity office to help offices with hiring qualified candidates from a wide array of backgrounds.
Preventing members and staff from serving on corporate boards (a proposal that came up after New York Republican Rep. Chris Collins was indicted (https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/bipartisan-duo-proposes-prohibition-for-house-members-serving-on-public-company-boards) for insider trading of information he learned as a board member of Innate Immunotherapeutics).(unconstitutional)

[Captdon]

Apologetic? I assume you meant apoplectic?


What will they do when their tax increases result in a slowing economy and less revenues flowing into the treasury?

This kind of thing won't get through the Senate. The Senate will never agree to automatic debt increase ceilings. That requires a law.



Congress will always raise the debt ceiling.

[Tahuyaman]

This kind of thing won't get through the Senate. The Senate will never agree to automatic debt increase ceilings. That requires a law.



Congress will always raise the debt ceiling.


I don’t know if that’s true or false.

[Tahuyaman]

Alexandria Cortez is against the Paygo option proposed because it would hinder the progressive agenda. In other words, it would hinder passing legislation that they can't pay for.
I’d be surprised if she even knows what it is.

[Captdon]

I don’t know if that’s true or false.

They always have.

[Tahuyaman]

They always have.

OK.....and?

[Safety]

It's funny watching internet conservatives whine about caring about the budget when they are complicit in one of the biggest increases to the budget from a "rich folk's tax cut". Then again, the Tea Party suddenly went away in 2017, so it is just more and more clear what they really care about...

[Peter1469]

Federal income tax receipts broke records due to the tax cut.

And yes GOP congresses spend way too much, that is why many conservatives have left the GOP.

[MisterVeritis]

It's funny watching internet conservatives whine about caring about the budget when they are complicit in one of the biggest increases to the budget from a "rich folk's tax cut". Then again, the Tea Party suddenly went away in 2017, so it is just more and more clear what they really care about...
People who pay taxes received a tax rate reduction. Revenues increased. Your Marxism is showing.

[Chris]

Alexandria Cortez is against the Paygo option proposed because it would hinder the progressive agenda. In other words, it would hinder passing legislation that they can't pay for.

Was just reading about that: Ocasio-Cortez opposes Pelosi-backed spending rules as Dems set to take power in House (https://www.aol.com/article/news/2019/01/02/ocasio-cortez-opposes-pelosi-backed-spending-rules-as-dems-set-to-take-power-in-house/23632312/): "PAYGO isn't only bad economics...it's also a dark political maneuver designed to hamstring progress on healthcare + other leg.," Ocasio-Cortez tweeted on Wednesday. "We shouldn't hinder ourselves from the start."

She must think money grows on trees or some such nonsense. Bad economics, lol.

[Peter1469]

Was just reading about that: Ocasio-Cortez opposes Pelosi-backed spending rules as Dems set to take power in House (https://www.aol.com/article/news/2019/01/02/ocasio-cortez-opposes-pelosi-backed-spending-rules-as-dems-set-to-take-power-in-house/23632312/): "PAYGO isn't only bad economics...it's also a dark political maneuver designed to hamstring progress on healthcare + other leg.," Ocasio-Cortez tweeted on Wednesday. "We shouldn't hinder ourselves from the start."

She must think money grows on trees or some such nonsense. Bad economics, lol.

She should talk in front of cameras less. Much less. :shocked:

[Tahuyaman]

It's funny watching internet conservatives whine about caring about the budget when they are complicit in one of the biggest increases to the budget from a "rich folk's tax cut". Then again, the Tea Party suddenly went away in 2017, so it is just more and more clear what they really care about...

You mean the tax cut which caused revenues into government to increase to an all time high?

[Tahuyaman]

She should talk in front of cameras less. Much less. :shocked:

Just the opposite. Democrats need to put out there in the spotlight.

[alexa]

Alexandria Cortez is against the Paygo option proposed because it would hinder the progressive agenda. In other words, it would hinder passing legislation that they can't pay for.

Who would have thought that a Democratic Socialist and Republicans would have something in common, yet The Republican House never enacted PAYGO as part of their rules.

I'm sure, however, that that is different.

[Hoosier8]

Who would have thought that a Democratic Socialist and Republicans would have something in common, yet The Republican House never enacted PAYGO as part of their rules.

I'm sure, however, that that is different.
Not really. The Uniparty is addicted to spending money they don't have. The difference now is that AOC is advocating for programs, the New Green Deal, that is conservatively estimated by a liberal think tank to cost $40 trillion over ten years. That means doubling all taxation and still not paying for what it costs since currently the Federal revenues don't pay for what Congress is spending as it is.

I keep asking, as others do, how AOC is going to pay for this 'progressive' giveaway on Twitter. Of course there is never an answer. Giveaways are popular. Just look at Venezuela for how that works.