The 'doomsday' scenario: Here's what happens if the shutdown drags on

[Peter1469]

The 'doomsday' scenario: Here's what happens if the shutdown drags on (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/doomsday-scenario-here-s-what-happens-if-shutdown-drags-n955946)

Here is a 'doomsday' scenario if the shutdown lasts too long. I am just posting it for discussion; I think the private sector would de facto take over many of these functions and furloughed workers will move on to paying jobs.


If the worst were to happen, experts say the devastating impact would be widespread:



[*=left]38 million low-income Americans lose food stamps (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/food-stamps-covered-through-february-no-promises-march-if-shutdown-n956451)
[*=left]6 million face an uncertain timetable for collecting tax refunds (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/irs-will-issue-tax-refunds-during-shutdown-white-house-says-n955866)
[*=left]2 million without rental assistance (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/because-shutdown-more-1-000-affordable-housing-contracts-have-expired-n955971) and facing possible eviction
[*=left]800,000 paycheck-less federal employees plunged into dire financial straits
[*=left]Shuttered parks and museums while overstressed airports cause tourism to tank
[*=left]Federal court system slows to a crawl
[*=left]Disaster relief money doesn't get to storm-ravaged areas
[*=left]Lapsed FDA and EPA inspections lead to dangerous outbreaks
[*=left]Private companies looking to go public are stuck in limbo
[*=left]Stock market plummets
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The end isn't near — yet. But if the standoff persists Read the entire article at the link.

[gamewell45]

The 'doomsday' scenario: Here's what happens if the shutdown drags on (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/doomsday-scenario-here-s-what-happens-if-shutdown-drags-n955946)

Here is a 'doomsday' scenario if the shutdown lasts too long. I am just posting it for discussion; I think the private sector would de facto take over many of these functions and furloughed workers will move on to paying jobs.

Read the entire article at the link.

I think at some point, both sides will have to compromise in order to prevent a 'doomsday scenario' from occurring since it could have catastrophic consequences.

[Peter1469]

I think at some point, both sides will have to compromise in order to prevent a 'doomsday scenario' from occurring since it could have catastrophic consequences.
Historically the way things go one side asks for something the other doesn't, but instead of locking legislation up, they say, OK, if you want X, I want A, B, and C.

Then the sides negotiate more and one side gets their X and the other gets A and B.

[MisterVeritis]

The 'doomsday' scenario: Here's what happens if the shutdown drags on (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/doomsday-scenario-here-s-what-happens-if-shutdown-drags-n955946)

Here is a 'doomsday' scenario if the shutdown lasts too long. I am just posting it for discussion; I think the private sector would de facto take over many of these functions and furloughed workers will move on to paying jobs.

Read the entire article at the link.
In short, we have excellent leverage. The Democrats are in a wonderful position to lose. Most of the affected people are Democrats. Let them squeal.

[MisterVeritis]

I think at some point, both sides will have to compromise in order to prevent a 'doomsday scenario' from occurring since it could have catastrophic consequences.
Well, no. We are done "compromising" meaning capitulating. The catastrophe will mean Democrats bleeding. Personally, I like it.

[Helena]

[*=left]38 million low-income Americans lose food stamps (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/food-stamps-covered-through-february-no-promises-march-if-shutdown-n956451)
[*=left]6 million face an uncertain timetable for collecting tax refunds (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/irs-will-issue-tax-refunds-during-shutdown-white-house-says-n955866)
[*=left]2 million without rental assistance (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/because-shutdown-more-1-000-affordable-housing-contracts-have-expired-n955971) and facing possible eviction
[*=left]800,000 paycheck-less federal employees plunged into dire financial straits
[*=left]Shuttered parks and museums while overstressed airports cause tourism to tank
[*=left]Federal court system slows to a crawl
[*=left]Disaster relief money doesn't get to storm-ravaged areas
[*=left]Lapsed FDA and EPA inspections lead to dangerous outbreaks
[*=left]Private companies looking to go public are stuck in limbo
[*=left]Stock market plummets

Most of that looks like a good return to self-reliance first, then a broader sense of community and charity. What assholes are doing to the national parks is completely disgraceful and abhorrent.

I don't think it will come anywhere close to doomsday projections; I believe it will be resolved soon. Hopefully.

However, things do have to get hard and difficult before they get better. It's a proven pattern of life and society.

[hanger4]

I think at some point, both sides will have to compromise in order to prevent a 'doomsday scenario' from occurring since it could have catastrophic consequences.One side has been negotiating and offered a compromise, one side just said no and offered no counter.

[Tahuyaman]

I hope the Republicans don't cave in just because I'd like to see them rediscover that they have a spine and a set of balls. Then maybe they will develop enough guts to move back to their conservative roots.

After you cave in the first time it becomes easier and easier to do over time. The same should be true in the other direction.

[Tahuyaman]

Today, the furloughed workers finally missed their first pay day. I was just watching MSNBC. They just showed clips of people saying that they are now having to sell their car to make ends meet. One was asked if she had any savings to draw from. She said that she has already exhausted her savings to get by since the shut down started. How can that be when she hadn't yet missed a paycheck until today?


Do people with good jobs actually live pay check to paycheck? What happened to good financial,p management and preparing for the unexpected. Seeing that government shut-downs are happening at a more request and even predictable rate, I'd say it's not an unexpected event any longer.


If someone is in a well paying job and they are basically destitute by missing one paycheck, I have zero sympathy for that person. They have obviously been mismanaging their money or living beyond their means.

[Private Pickle]

Welcome to the myth of American wealth.

[gamewell45]

One side has been negotiating and offered a compromise, one side just said no and offered no counter.

Unless you are referring to the republicans as the one side negotiating, I read where the democrats proposed monies for more personnel at the entry sites, improved infrastructure and better technology. Trump has stated he's not interested and believes the wall is the only solution.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/01/08/government-shutdown-border-wall-democrats-security-solutions/2512363002/

[Peter1469]

Today, the furloughed workers finally missed their first pay day. I was just watching MSNBC. They just showed clips of people saying that they are now having to sell their car to make ends meet. One was asked if she had any savings to draw from. She said that she has already exhausted her savings to get by since the shut down started. How can that be when she hadn't yet missed a paycheck until today?


Do people with good jobs actually live pay check to paycheck? What happened to good financial,p management and preparing for the unexpected. Seeing that government shut-downs are happening at a more request and even predictable rate, I'd say it's not an unexpected event any longer.


If someone is in a well paying job and they are basically destitute by missing one paycheck, I have zero sympathy for that person. They have obviously been mismanaging their money or living beyond their means.
I posted an article here somewhere earlier in the week that claimed that 78% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck.

[Tahuyaman]

I posted an article here somewhere earlier in the week that claimed that 78% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck.

That's really unfortunate. People no longer understand the concepts of budgeting and living within their means.

[Peter1469]

That's really unfortunate. People no longer understand the concepts of budgeting and living within their means.

True. Much of that is self-imposed.

[Tahuyaman]

True. Much of that is self-imposed.

I'd say most of it is self imposed. But then they don't acknowledge that. When things go sideways, they refuse to accept responsibility for the consequences of their decisions.

People have been told repeatedly for decades now that one should have six months worth of funds in savings. It's not really that hard to do if one has a bit of personal discipline.

[Peter1469]

There were some federal worker protests in DC last week. It turns out that they were IRS union workers.