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[MMC]

We're Not Even 30 Days Into 2019 And It Looks Like Democrats Are About To Have A Civil War.....


Yet, while doing battle with the Trump White House is a top priority, the progressive Left also wants to clean house in the Democratic Party as well. The party elite is reportedly trying to rein in Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), as they view her antics to be distracting, but they’re also not pleased that she’s willing to help boot fellow Democrats who are viewed as too moderate. Shots have been fired inside the ship (via Politico (https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/11/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-democrats-establisment-1093728)):

I’m sure Ms. Cortez means well, but there’s almost an outstanding rule: Don’t attack your own people,” said Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.). “We just don’t need sniping in our Democratic Caucus.”

Incumbent Democrats are most annoyed by Ocasio-Cortez’s threat to back primary opponents against members of their ranks she deems too moderate. But their frustration goes beyond that: Democratic leaders are upset that she railed against their new set of House rules on Twitter the first week of the new Congress. Rank and file are peeved that there’s a grassroots movement to try to win her a top committee post they feel she doesn’t deserve.

GQ added (https://www.gq.com/story/ocasio-cortez-takedowns-are-exhausting)that the reason why the Democrats were so successful in House races in 2018 was due to candidates like Ocasio-Cortez:

And now, it seems progressive groups are already taking aim at those moderate Democrats. These are the same people that helped Ocasio-Cortez get elected (via The Hill (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/425544-progressives-to-target-dem-reps-in-2020-primary-fights)):

So, in all, progressive groups already reloading to take out their own within the party, far left loons that could cause heartburns on the various committees in the House, and reports of rank-and-file Democrats already queasy with how this far left faction operates. This sounds like a toxic cocktail that could implode the House Democratic caucus—and I hope it does. The next two years could be dotted with the far left putting forth insane proposals, whilst the more experienced members are left to do damage control. It wastes time—the most precious resource in politics......snip~

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattv...s-like-democrats-are-about-to-have-a-n2539170 (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2019/01/16/were-not-even-30-days-into-2019-and-it-looks-like-democrats-are-about-to-have-a-n2539170)


Good news for Trump and the Repubs. AOC is the new Pelosi. A gift that will keep on giving. What say?

[stjames1_53]

proving once again AOC is hardly a democrat. She's a dyed-in-the-wool die hard communist...............

[MMC]

proving once again AOC is hardly a democrat. She's a dyed-in-the-wool die hard communist...............


She is definitely proving it.

WATCH: Ocazio-Cortez Urges Progressives to Continue to Infiltrate the Democratic Party (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2019/01/16/watch-ocaziocortez-urges-progressives-to-continue-to-infiltrate-the-democratic-party-n2539184)

[Tahuyaman]

Democrats are starting to fracture over the partial government shut down. While Trump has offered to negotiate and even offered a couple of concessions, the Pelosi faction refuses to take part in any negotiations. The pragmatic Democrats know that public opinion is shifting against their side on this.

[ripmeister]

Democrats are starting to fracture over the partial government shut down. While Trump has offered to negotiate and even offered a couple of concessions, the Pelosi faction refuses to take part in any negotiations. The pragmatic Democrats know that public opinion is shifting against their side on this.
Maybe I'm wrong on this but wasn't there a negotiated deal that was approved thru Congress and that Trump said he would go with only to renig on it after Limbo and Coulter laid down the law? Would you negotiate with someone who went back on a previous deal?

[Tahuyaman]

Maybe I'm wrong on this but wasn't there a negotiated deal that was approved thru Congress and that Trump said he would go with only to renig on it after Limbo and Coulter laid down the law? Would you negotiate with someone who went back on a previous deal?

Citing Coulter is a diversion.

Trump made it clear from the big inning that he would not sign anything which didn't provide funding for his promise of border security. There was media speculation that he was willing to abandon that demand. The media was wrong.

[ripmeister]

Citing Coulter is a diversion.

Trump made it clear from the big inning that he would not sign anything which didn't provide funding for his promise of border security. There was media speculation that he was willing to abandon that demand. The media was wrong.
I thought there was deal for something like 2.5 billion for the border wall that passed the senate something like 98 to 2. Mitch then got blindsided explaining his current position. Limbo and Coulter are relevant because they are ad hoc advisers who the salesman listens to.

[Green Arrow]

When conservative Republicans defend establishment Democrats...

[Tahuyaman]

I thought there was deal for something like 2.5 billion for the border wall that passed the senate something like 98 to 2. Mitch then got blindsided explaining his current position. Limbo and Coulter are relevant because they are ad hoc advisers who the salesman listens to.

Trump said that he wanted at least five billion which was already a substantial compromise on his part. I know of no one named Limbo, but Coulter is not an advisor to the president any more than you or I are.

So, enough of the media created diversions.

[Tahuyaman]

When conservative Republicans defend establishment Democrats...

Who's doing that? Provide a citation.


All I've seen is someone identifying the developing rift within the congressional Democrats. How is that defending establishment Democrats?

[alexa]

Citing Coulter is a diversion.

Trump made it clear from the big inning that he would not sign anything which didn't provide funding for his promise of border security. There was media speculation that he was willing to abandon that demand. The media was wrong.
Bullshit.

McConnell never would have passed it if Trump hadn't said he was going to sign it.

You're entitled to your own opinion, cholo, not your own reality.

https://www.rollcall.com/news/policy/mitch-mcconnell-files-continuing-resolution-jet-fumes-flow-senate

[MMC]

Bullshit.

McConnell never would have passed it if Trump hadn't said he was going to sign it.

You're entitled to your own opinion, cholo, not your own reality.

https://www.rollcall.com/news/policy/mitch-mcconnell-files-continuing-resolution-jet-fumes-flow-senate

Nice try esse that was Dec 19.....and House Repubs instead came up with a bill and funding the wall. That which Pelosi and Schumer lied about. Saying Trump couldn't get the funding from House Repubs.

The bill the House Repubs passed was Dec 2oth. So McConnell couldn't go by the Senate bill since House Repubs never signed off on the one sent by the Senate.


House Passes Spending Bill with Wall Funding | Breitbart (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/12/20/house-passes-spending-bill-with-wall-funding/)https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/12/20/house-passes...
Dec 20, 2018 · The House passed a spending bill that includes $5.7 billion in border wall funding, sending the bill to the Senate. The House passed the spending bill with border wall funding, 217-185, featuring strong Republican support for the bill and no Democrat support for the bill.

[ripmeister]

Nice try esse that was Dec 19.....and House Repubs instead came up with a bill and funding the wall. That which Pelosi and Schumer lied about. Saying Trump couldn't get the funding from House Repubs.

The bill the House Repubs passed was Dec 2oth. So McConnell couldn't go by the Senate bill since House Repubs never signed off on the one sent by the Senate.


House Passes Spending Bill with Wall Funding | Breitbart (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/12/20/house-passes-spending-bill-with-wall-funding/)

https://www.breitbart.com (http://www.breitbart.com)/politics/2018/12/20/house-passes...
Dec 20, 2018 · The House passed a spending bill that includes $5.7 billion in border wall funding, sending the bill to the Senate. The House passed the spending bill with border wall funding, 217-185, featuring strong Republican support for the bill and no Democrat support for the bill.

So the Rs had control of the House and Senate and the house passed the bill and sent it to Mitchez Senate. WhT happened after that. It should have been a done deal. The D's had no power to stop it.

[alexa]

So the Rs had control of the House and Senate and the house passed the bill and sent it to Mitchez Senate. WhT happened after that. It should have been a done deal. The D's had no power to stop it.

Trump refused to sign it.

[MMC]

So the Rs had control of the House and Senate and the house passed the bill and sent it to Mitchez Senate. WhT happened after that. It should have been a done deal. The D's had no power to stop it.
Uhm takes 60 votes in the Senate. After the House Repubs passed the bill with the funding for the wall. Senate Democrats filibustered to Prevent McConnel from taking it to the floor.

Chucky Cheese Schumer must have been worried that some Demos would flip.


Once the Senate Demos filibustered. That took Trump off the hook for the shutdown.

[ripmeister]

Trump refused to sign it.

Oh! That's right. Enter Limbo and Crazy Coulter.

[MMC]

Green Warriors: Left-Wingers Plot To Pressure 2020 Democratic Field Into Accepting Radical Economic Agenda....

https://media.townhall.com/townhall/reu/ha/2019/14/f0d85cea-fb7b-4c32-9a08-7388b53844e4.png

With the rise of the progressive Left, which has ushered in the Bernie Sanders-Ocasio-Cortez era, the Democratic Party is undergoing a far left renovation and we could see a 2020 cycle where this party parrots some of the most left-wing economic policy initiatives in recent memory. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), who is one of the many faces of the far left, is spearheading this charge, even saying that she would support primary challenges against Democrats who she thinks are too moderate. Right now, the groups who influenced Ocasio-Cortez to run for Congress are plotting a 15-city tour to pressure the 2020 Democratic field to think about the “Green New Deal.” That’s a D.C.-speak for huge government. Oh, and the economy would go right into the toilet (via Axios (https://www.axios.com/2020-presidential-election-green-new-deal-activists-05182cff-9187-47ae-8e0f-64979aba9a13.html)):.....snip~

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattv...-2020-democratic-field-into-acceptin-n2539001 (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2019/01/16/green-warriors-left-wingers-plot-to-pressure-2020-democratic-field-into-acceptin-n2539001)

[Green Arrow]

Uhm takes 60 votes in the Senate. After the House Repubs passed the bill with the funding for the wall. Senate Democrats filibustered to Prevent McConnel from taking it to the floor.

Chucky Cheese Schumer must have been worried that some Demos would flip.


Once the Senate Demos filibustered. That took Trump off the hook for the shutdown.

Do you have an article about the filibuster? The Breitfart article you linked to said nothing about a filibuster.

[Peter1469]

Oh! That's right. Enter Limbo and Crazy Coulter.
That is bat-shit crazy stuff.

Continue.

[alexa]

Do you have an article about the filibuster? The Breitfart article you linked to said nothing about a filibuster.
That's going to be hard to do, considering it passed on a voice vote and there was no filibuster.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/19/politics/government-shutdown-congress-trump-border-wall/index.html

[stjames1_53]

I thought there was deal for something like 2.5 billion for the border wall that passed the senate something like 98 to 2. Mitch then got blindsided explaining his current position. Limbo and Coulter are relevant because they are ad hoc advisers who the salesman listens to.

you know this as a fact how?

[alexa]

you know this as a fact how?
Take what you've got.

Adviser is much nicer than master, and that's what they are.

[stjames1_53]

Take what you've got.

Adviser is much nicer than master, and that's what they are.

but you don't know that for sure...unless you can find a legit article, you wasting your time

[alexa]

but you don't know that for sure...unless you can find a legit article, you wasting your time

Why do you think I'm here? To work on a Unified Field Theory?

He was going to sign the bill to fund the govt, anne and fat boy got on his case, and he caved.

If you need an article to explain that to you, you probably shouldn't be out on your own.

[MisterVeritis]

Why do you think I'm here? To work on a Unified Field Theory?

He was going to sign the bill to fund the govt, anne and fat boy got on his case, and he caved.

If you need an article to explain that to you, you probably shouldn't be out on your own.
I take credit for changing the president's mind. I sent him a sternly worded email reminding him that he promised us a wall to end the illegal alien invasion. The very next day he discovered his resolve.

Blame me if you wish.

[alexa]

I take credit for changing the president's mind. I sent him a sternly worded email reminding him that he promised us a wall to end the illegal alien invasion. The very next day he discovered his resolve.

Blame me if you wish.


I have to admit that when I first got here, I didn't fully appreciate the totality of the deluded state you've achieved.

Kudos, I guess.

[Tahuyaman]

When conservative Republicans defend establishment Democrats...
Are you ever going to show us all where any conservative or Republican defended establishment Democrats or are you just going to throw out unsupportable partisan motivated comments ?

I know the answer to that.

[MMC]

Oh! That's right. Enter Limbo and Crazy Coulter.

No that isn't even close to being Right. The reality played out as I described.

Then enter the Twilight Zone. Wherein the past the Demos were for funding fences and walls. But now they are immoral. All because of one man. The One that the Demos Hate. Trump.


Also, lets not forget the fact that the total cost of the Wall is 25 billion per DHS. Trump has already given ground by dropping down to 5 billion and the 1.6 billion last year to repair existing barriers.


Lets stick to the truth and not that Bubble that the left lives in.

[MMC]

Do you have an article about the filibuster? The Breitfart article you linked to said nothing about a filibuster.

Senate Advances House Spending Bill with Wall Funding ... (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/12/21/senate-advances-house-spending-bill-with-wall-funding/)https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/12/21/senate-advances...[/URL]
The Senate advanced the House-passed spending bill that contains $5.7 billion in wall funding on Friday. The Senate passed a motion to proceed on the House-passed continuing resolution (CR), 48-47, that includes $5.7 billion in border wall funding, which will put the spending bill to a full floor vote soon.



[URL="https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/gop-senator-end-the-filibuster-to-pass-trumps-wall-money"]GOP senator: End the filibuster to pass Trump's wall money (https://www.bing.com/search?q=Senate+Democrats+filibuster+House+bill+fo r+funding+thee+wall&form=PRHPR1&src=IE11TR&pc=EUPP_HRTS#)https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/gop-senator-end-the...
House just passed a bill that fully funds government and enables @realDonaldTrump to secure our border/build the wall. Senate can do same by eliminating the filibuster. 51 votes, same as we do for …



I know you thought you could come in with the save for the leftness. Not this time.

[MMC]

Are you ever going to show us all where any conservative or Republican defended establishment Democrats or are you just going to throw out unsupportable partisan motivated comments ?

I know the answer to that.

No Republicans were defending Democrats. The leftness Living in their Bubble means they aren't in tune with reality.

[Green Arrow]

Senate Advances House Spending Bill with Wall Funding ... (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/12/21/senate-advances-house-spending-bill-with-wall-funding/)

https://www.breitbart.com (http://www.breitbart.com)/politics/2018/12/21/senate-advances...
The Senate advanced the House-passed spending bill that contains $5.7 billion in wall funding on Friday. The Senate passed a motion to proceed on the House-passed continuing resolution (CR), 48-47, that includes $5.7 billion in border wall funding, which will put the spending bill to a full floor vote soon.



GOP senator: End the filibuster to pass Trump's wall money (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/gop-senator-end-the-filibuster-to-pass-trumps-wall-money)

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/gop-senator-end-the...
House just passed a bill that fully funds government and enables @realDonaldTrump to secure our border/build the wall. Senate can do same by eliminating the filibuster. 51 votes, same as we do for …



I know you thought you could come in with the save for the leftness. Not this time.

I see where they threatened a filibuster, but I don’t see where the GOP called their bluff and brought up the legislation anyway. So no actual filibuster stopped the bill.

[Tahuyaman]

I love watching people attempt to move the goalposts. Meanwhile I'm still waiting for GA to show where a conservative or a Republican defended establishment Democrats.

[MMC]

I see where they threatened a filibuster, but I don’t see where the GOP called their bluff and brought up the legislation anyway. So no actual filibuster stopped the bill.

So then how did your Demos stop McConnell from bringing it to the floor again. There is only one way to stop him from getting a floor count. Let see if you actually know what that is.

[MMC]

I love watching people attempt to move the goalposts. Meanwhile I'm still waiting for GA to show where a conservative or a Republican defended establishment Democrats.


Well they have to move the goalposts so they can keep up the narrative that Trump owns the shutdown.

Looks like you will be waiting a long time. Do you think he is trying to find some link where Repubs are defending the Democrats on this issue?

[Tahuyaman]

Well they have to move the goalposts so they can keep up the narrative that Trump owns the shutdown.

Looks like you will be waiting a long time. Do you think he is trying to find some link where Repubs are defending the Democrats on this issue?


I think he was referring to my comment about Steny Hoyer and a couple of other pragmatic Democrats starting to break away from the Pelosi position. He's probably translating that to be supporting establishment Democrats. That's not unusual because he's recently intentionally misrepresented another comment I made in another thread.

[Green Arrow]

So then how did your Demos stop McConnell from bringing it to the floor again. There is only one way to stop him from getting a floor count. Let see if you actually know what that is.

They aren’t “my Demos,” first of all. Second, the only way they could prevent him from bringing it up is to filibuster. But McConnell didn’t even try to bring it, so there was no filibuster.

[MMC]

They aren’t “my Demos,” first of all. Second, the only way they could prevent him from bringing it up is to filibuster. But McConnell didn’t even try to bring it, so there was no filibuster.

Wrong.....McConnell scheduled a floor vote. Again there is only one way to stop it. Schumer and the Demos stopped that vote from taking place. McConnell had all the Repubs onboard. Knowing he didn't have 60 votes.

When you figure out why GOP members were saying get rid of the filibuster. Then you will be part of reality.


And yes they are your Demos when it comes to those on the Right. Hence your sticking up for them 90% of the time.


Oh and your interpretation skills aren't very good. Evidenced by your statement about Repubs defending Democrats. Which wasn't happening in this thread.

[mamooth]

Check it out. Another "Democrats in disarray!" desperation thread. These get trotted out regularly by the Trump cult. I can't blame them too much, as our nutty conservative MSM also adores such stories.

Democrats-in-disarray was goung to cause the Democrats to lose in the 2018 elections. Democrats-in-disarray meant Pelosi would be rejected as speaker. Democrats-in-disarray meant the Democrats would cave in to Trump. And so on. It never happens, and the Trump cultists never figure out they're being played.

[alexa]

No that isn't even close to being Right. The reality played out as I described.

Then enter the Twilight Zone. Wherein the past the Demos were for funding fences and walls. But now they are immoral. All because of one man. The One that the Demos Hate. Trump.


Also, lets not forget the fact that the total cost of the Wall is 25 billion per DHS. Trump has already given ground by dropping down to 5 billion and the 1.6 billion last year to repair existing barriers.


Lets stick to the truth and not that Bubble that the left lives in.
Speaking of sticking to the truth, has the check from Mexico cleared yet?

[MMC]

Speaking of sticking to the truth, has the check from Mexico cleared yet?

Only the leftness believed that line on a campaign trail. Bottomline Repubs don't care about it.

But thanks for validating you haven't got out of the bubble yet.

[alexa]

Only the leftness believed that line on a campaign trail. Bottomline Repubs don't care about it.

But thanks for validating you haven't got out of the bubble yet.
Gee, so those were all lefties at his campaign rallies?


:rofl:

[MMC]

Check it out. Another "Democrats in disarray!" desperation thread. These get trotted out regularly by the Trump cult. I can't blame them too much, as our nutty conservative MSM also adores such stories.

Democrats-in-disarray was goung to cause the Democrats to lose in the 2018 elections. Democrats-in-disarray meant Pelosi would be rejected as speaker. Democrats-in-disarray meant the Democrats would cave in to Trump. And so on. It never happens, and the Trump cultists never figure out they're being played.

Check it out.....another leftist that doesn't know what Axios, Politico, the Atlantic, the New Yorker, or even when AOC does the talking.

Ocasio-Cortez To Dems Trying To Rein Her In: ‘I’m Not Locked Up In Here With You. You’re Locked Up In Here With Me’ (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2019/01/16/house-democrats-trying-rein-in-ocasio-cortez-n2538900)

[MMC]

Gee, so those were all lefties at his campaign rallies?


:rofl:

Gee, only the left would think Trumps followers would believe that one. Funny thing....its only the leftness talking about it. Not even Steve Bannon believed that one.

Just goes to show just how gullible the Beta class is.

[alexa]

Gee, only the left would think Trumps followers would believe that one. Funny thing....its only the leftness talking about it. Not even Steve Bannon believed that one.

Just goes to show just how gullible the Beta class is.
It certainly does.

:rofl:

[MMC]

It certainly does.

:rofl:

I know.....but really you should be careful rolling around on the floor we wouldn't want you to break any limp wrist. :laugh:

[Green Arrow]

Gee, only the left would think Trumps followers would believe that one. Funny thing....its only the leftness talking about it. Not even Steve Bannon believed that one.

Just goes to show just how gullible the Beta class is.

Wait, so Trump lied on the campaign trail?

[MMC]

Wait, so Trump lied on the campaign trail?

Yep.....just like Hillary did. Just Like Jebe Bush did. Just Like Joe Biden did. Just like BO the Peep did. Are you Able to figure out the pattern?

[alexa]

Yep.....just like Hillary did. Just Like Jebe Bush did. Just Like Joe Biden did. Just like BO the Peep did. Are you Able to figure out the pattern?

So Fat Boy is the same as Hillary?

[Green Arrow]

Yep.....just like Hillary did. Just Like Jebe Bush did. Just Like Joe Biden did. Just like BO the Peep did. Are you Able to figure out the pattern?

Yeah, the pattern is lying evidently only bothers you when it’s someone else.

[MisterVeritis]

Wait, so Trump lied on the campaign trail?
Relax. Of course, Mexico is going to pay for the wall. Don't let it concern you.

[Captain Obvious]

Relax. Of course, Mexico is going to pay for the wall. Don't let it concern you.
Right out of Trump's script

:biglaugh:

[alexa]

Right out of Trump's script

:biglaugh:

Yeah, the new trade deal will pay for it just like he said all along.

Just ask one of his acolytes

[Captain Obvious]

Yeah, the new trade deal will pay for it just like he said all along.

Just ask one of his acolytes

wink wink, nudge nudge

[alexa]

wink wink, nudge nudge

Say no more.

Nod's as good as a wink

[Green Arrow]

Relax. Of course, Mexico is going to pay for the wall. Don't let it concern you.
You and MMC need to get on the same page, you’re reading from two different scripts.

[jigglepete]

Say no more.

Nod's as good as a wink

To blind bat...

[Captdon]

Maybe I'm wrong on this but wasn't there a negotiated deal that was approved thru Congress and that Trump said he would go with only to renig on it after Limbo and Coulter laid down the law? Would you negotiate with someone who went back on a previous deal?

The shutdown isn't going to end without negotiations. It isn't going to end without funding for the wall. There's two absolute facts. Since Pelosi and Trump won't give up on the wall, what is there to negotiate?

If the far left want to carry on with this they need to know that eventually the entire discretionary spending has to be passed. Trump can hold that up as well.

Trump has a base to please and does the left. Trump will not give in on this and be a one term President. He is going to run and win a second term. The loony left just don't understand his voters and never will.

[alexa]

Doesn't matter if he gives in or doesn't give in, he's s tip going to be a one term president.

Get used to it.

[MisterVeritis]

Relax. Of course, Mexico is going to pay for the wall. Don't let it concern you.

Right out of Trump's script

And true. Of course.

[MisterVeritis]

Yeah, the new trade deal will pay for it just like he said all along.
Just ask one of his acolytes
Does it matter to you how Mexico pays for the wall?

[MisterVeritis]

You and MMC need to get on the same page, you’re reading from two different scripts.
As I am right I shall leave it to him to move my direction, if he chooses to.

[MisterVeritis]

Doesn't matter if he gives in or doesn't give in, he's s tip going to be a one term president.

Get used to it.
A wise person will plan for two Trump terms.

[Captdon]

I thought there was deal for something like 2.5 billion for the border wall that passed the senate something like 98 to 2. Mitch then got blindsided explaining his current position. Limbo and Coulter are relevant because they are ad hoc advisers who the salesman listens to.

The Senate never passed a bill for any wall funding. The vote you're talking about wasn't related to the wall.

[alexa]

There was money passed for border security, then the cheeto reneged.

[Captdon]

So the Rs had control of the House and Senate and the house passed the bill and sent it to Mitchez Senate. WhT happened after that. It should have been a done deal. The D's had no power to stop it.



The D's had no power to stop it.

It takes 60 votes to even vote on a bill. There weren't 7 Dems willing to do that.
You need to learn facts.

[MisterVeritis]

The FY2019 budget request asked for 1.6 billion for the border wall. The real amount needed is more likely around $30 billion for a border protection system whose foundation is a border wall.

[Captdon]

Trump refused to sign it.

Nothing to sign. Trump has yet to veto anything, Clyde. That leaves a great big hole in you point.

[Captdon]

Do you have an article about the filibuster? The Breitfart article you linked to said nothing about a filibuster.

It takes 60 votes to vote on a filibuster. No one filibusters anymore. 51 Republicans means 9 dumocrats have to vote to bring it to the floor. They didn't so there was no vote.

[alexa]

Nothing to sign. Trump has yet to veto anything, Clyde. That leaves a great big hole in you point.
I didn't say he vetoed it, Rufus, I said he refused to sign it.

More accurately, he said he'd refuse to sign it, Rufus, thereby shutting down the government, a mantle he wears proudly.

[alexa]

It takes 60 votes to vote on a filibuster. No one filibusters anymore. 51 Republicans means 9 dumocrats have to vote to bring it to the floor. They didn't so there was no vote.

You know this makes absolutely no sense, right?

[Captdon]

Why do you think I'm here? To work on a Unified Field Theory?

He was going to sign the bill to fund the govt, anne and fat boy got on his case, and he caved.

If you need an article to explain that to you, you probably shouldn't be out on your own.

You aren't half as clever as you think. You aren't half as smart as you think you are. posting to you is like posting to a child. I hope you can do better but I know you can't We smart people can only chuckle at you.

[MisterVeritis]

I didn't say he vetoed it, Rufus, I said he refused to sign it.

More accurately, he said he'd refuse to sign it, Rufus, thereby shutting down the government, a mantle he wears proudly.
And that is fine with me. As long as President Trump holds firm we win.

What happens tomorrow? Will President Trump declare an emergency and build the wall without Congress?

[Captdon]

I see where they threatened a filibuster, but I don’t see where the GOP called their bluff and brought up the legislation anyway. So no actual filibuster stopped the bill.

They didn't use the "nuclear" option. They know Trump would veto it.

[alexa]

You aren't half as clever as you think. You aren't half as smart as you think you are. posting to you is like posting to a child. I hope you can do better but I know you can't We smart people can only chuckle at you.
Smart people generally don't have to tell others that they're smart.

If you don't believe me, you can always ask one.

[Captdon]

They aren’t “my Demos,” first of all. Second, the only way they could prevent him from bringing it up is to filibuster. But McConnell didn’t even try to bring it, so there was no filibuster.

No Democrat was willing to vote to bring it to the floor. Why try? Learn something about this.

[Captdon]

Gee, so those were all lefties at his campaign rallies?


:rofl:

They weren't in the correct voting booths. That was certain.

[MisterVeritis]

You aren't half as clever as you think.

You aren't half as smart as you think you are. Posting to you is like posting to a child. I hope you can do better but I know you can't.

We smart people can only chuckle at you.

Smart people generally don't have to tell others that they're smart.
If you don't believe me, you can always ask one.
I view Captdon's comment as a public service announcement. Additionally, I believe he is trying to help you in the same way I help Exo. Both of you have your moments. Both of you are dumb.

You can do better.

[Captdon]

So Fat Boy is the same as Hillary?

No, he has a dick and she is one.

[Captdon]

Doesn't matter if he gives in or doesn't give in, he's s tip going to be a one term president.

Get used to it.

I've said you aren't clever. I didn't need any proof. You need to get used to 6 more years of Trump.

[MisterVeritis]

No, he has a dick and she is one.
He has balls and she is nuts.

[Captdon]

There was money passed for border security, then the cheeto reneged.

I said wall. Now you're proving you aren't smart enough to debate us.

[alexa]

I said wall. Now you're proving you aren't smart enough to debate us.



:rofl:

[Captdon]

I didn't say he vetoed it, Rufus, I said he refused to sign it.

More accurately, he said he'd refuse to sign it, Rufus, thereby shutting down the government, a mantle he wears proudly.

Jesus. If he has refused to sign it , it would have been a law. Read the Constitution- of the US.

Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by Yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment (https://www.usconstitution.net/glossary.html#ADJOURN) prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.

[Captdon]

You know this makes absolutely no sense, right?

I didn't expect you to understand it. I was posting to brighter light than you have.

[alexa]

Jesus. If he has refused to sign it , it would have been a law. Read the Constitution- of the US.

Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by Yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment (https://www.usconstitution.net/glossary.html#ADJOURN) prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.

He told Ryan he wouldn't sign it, so it died.

Derp


President Donald Trump will not sign a Senate-passed spending bill, increasing the chances of a partial government shutdown.The Senate unanimously approved the legislation Wednesday night to keep the government funded through Feb. 8. With Trump’s support, it appeared set to breeze through the House before the midnight Friday deadline to fund seven agencies that make up about a quarter of the government.


But Trump, who seeks $5 billion to build his proposed border wall, will refuse to sign the measure without his desired border security measures, House Speaker Paul Ryan said after a meeting with the president on Thursday. Trump’s decision throws more chaos into the late scramble to keep the government running through Christmas and into the new year.
“We just had a very long, productive meeting with the president,” Ryan told reporters after House Republicans met with Trump for more than an hour. “The president informed us that he will not sign the bill that came up from the Senate last evening because of his legitimate concerns for border security.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/20/ryan-says-trump-will-not-sign-senate-passed-bill-to-avoid-government-shutdown.html

[Captdon]

Smart people generally don't have to tell others that they're smart.

If you don't believe me, you can always ask one.

Smart people do have the burden to let the lesser know they aren't smart. You are a lesser light.

Now that we've settled that go on with your hilarious blubbering.

[MMC]

So Fat Boy is the same as Hillary?


Fat Boy.....no Michael Moore isn't the same as Hillary.

[MMC]

Yeah, the pattern is lying evidently only bothers you when it’s someone else.
Wrong as usual.....I point it out when leftists do so. Since your kind likes to cover it up. Anytime some Republican lies its damn near front page news. Now when its your kind it get covered up 10 pages deep. Somewhere Right before the Sports section.


Although I didn't see you talking about BO the Peep Lying on the campaign trail. Nor Hillary. Now I wonder why that is. Could it be your leftism causes you to avoid, ignore, and look the other way. That your Partisan politics causes the blip? Keeps that piehole silent?


Or is it due to that leftist bubble you live in?

[MMC]

The shutdown isn't going to end without negotiations. It isn't going to end without funding for the wall. There's two absolute facts. Since Pelosi and Trump won't give up on the wall, what is there to negotiate?

If the far left want to carry on with this they need to know that eventually the entire discretionary spending has to be passed. Trump can hold that up as well.

Trump has a base to please and does the left. Trump will not give in on this and be a one term President. He is going to run and win a second term. The loony left just don't understand his voters and never will.

The problem with leftists is.....they don't know who Trumps base is. They figure all on the Right are in Trumps base. That is even after their Lame Stream Media reported on those Never Trumpers from the Right. That is after some Repubs didn't support Trump on several issues.


That's just how pathetically lame leftists are. Its surprising that they have the brain capacity to figure out who the Demos base is. Along with Sanders throwing them the curve.



Its hilarious tho.

[MMC]

It takes 60 votes to vote on a filibuster. No one filibusters anymore. 51 Republicans means 9 dumocrats have to vote to bring it to the floor. They didn't so there was no vote.

McConnell scheduled the vote for the floor anyways. Forcing Schumer to tell him the Demos will filibuster. Once Schumer lets McConnell know that is what they will do. McConnell has their answer and it falls on the Demos.

[MMC]

Smart people generally don't have to tell others that they're smart.

If you don't believe me, you can always ask one.

Well at least you admit you aren't one.

[MMC]

He told Ryan he wouldn't sign it, so it died.

Derp



https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/20/ryan-says-trump-will-not-sign-senate-passed-bill-to-avoid-government-shutdown.html

He also told Ryan he wanted funding for the wall. The Repubs in the House made that happen. The Lame Stream even reported it. So Trump telling Ryan he wont sign the Senate bill. Don't mean shit. But telling Ryan he wants a House bill passed with funding is what counts. Especially after they do it and showcase Pelosi and Schumer as liars.

[Captain Obvious]

Mop up boy

:biglaugh:

[MMC]

Mop up boy

:biglaugh:

Don't tremble to post up to who you are talking to Oblivious. You could be taken for a snivelin lil bitch. Oh wait.....nevermind.

Now you can run along and take another 3 hrs before hitting up the thread again. http://www.politicalwrinkles.com/images/smilies/funny.gif

[Hoosier8]

Some believe that Trump will announce the RIF during his 3pm speech today. I will be curious if that happens. Tuesday would probably be the day of RIFs if it is going to happen.

[Captdon]

He also told Ryan he wanted funding for the wall. The Repubs in the House made that happen. The Lame Stream even reported it. So Trump telling Ryan he wont sign the Senate bill. Don't mean $#@!. But telling Ryan he wants a House bill passed with funding is what counts. Especially after they do it and showcase Pelosi and Schumer as liars.

Alexa is just guessing at the answers. That's a 50-50 at best. He is at 15%.