MAGA Catholic School teens taunting Native American Viet Nam Vet goes Viral

[exotix]

Today


Teens in Make America Great Again hats taunted a Native American elder at the Lincoln Memorial

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/19/us/teens-mock-native-elder-trnd/index.html

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ei=JJZEXJWtOc-q_Qa_9KmIAg&q=kentucky+teens+maga&oq=kentucky+teens&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.0i3l4.3290.4907..7298...0.0..0.107.572.4j2. .....0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71j0i131i67j0i67j0j0i131.5HSD-BQ6qyE


'It was getting Ugly'

A crowd of teenagers surrounded a Native American elder and other activists and mocked them after Friday's Indigenous Peoples March at the Lincoln Memorial.

Videos of the confrontation show a smiling young man in a red Make America Great Again hat standing directly in front of the man, who was playing a drum and chanting. Other kids could be seen laughing, jumping around and making fun of the chants.

"I did not feel safe in that circle," said Kaya Taitano, a student at the University of the District of Columbia who participated in the march and shot the videos.

She told CNN that the teens were chanting things like "Build the wall" and "Trump 2020."





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKegaFO7xU0


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[Peter1469]

dupe

[Mister D]

No one died, Eddy. Don't get too excited.

[Chris]

No one died, Eddy. Don't get too excited.

But, as the video ends, blame goes to Trump.

[Mister D]

But, as the video ends, blame goes to Trump.

Who else? But wait...were the Russians involved? I thought I heard some accents out there.

[exotix]

No one died, Exotix. Don't get too excited.Notice how that dumb-looking teen in the MAGA hat standing there staring, smirking and smiling at the Native American Viet Nam Vet is the classical example of an AR-15 toting mass-murderer ... sad.

[pragmatic]

Notice how that dumb-looking teen in the MAGA hat standing there staring, smirking and smiling at the Native American Viet Nam Vet is the classical example of an AR-15 toting mass-murderer ... sad.

The event has pretty much been beat to death in a couple of other threads...

[Chris]

Notice how that dumb-looking teen in the MAGA hat standing there staring, smirking and smiling at the Native American Viet Nam Vet is the classical example of an AR-15 toting mass-murderer ... sad.

https://i.postimg.cc/Dz7SwzJS/Zt4BY5.gif

[DGUtley]

I’m sure the diocesan school will come down big on these kids. This is unacceptable behavior.

[exotix]

I’m sure the diocesan school will come down big on these kids. This is unacceptable behavior.Maybe Maybe Not



Ky. diocese condemns teens in 'MAGA' hats who mocked Native American after March for Life rally in DC

https://www.post-gazette.com/news/education/2019/01/19/kentucky-catholic-school-Students-MAGA-trump-hats-mock-Native-American-rally-Covington-Catholic-High-School-Park-Hills/stories/201901190065


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[Jeb!]

I’m sure the diocesan school will come down big on these kids. This is unacceptable behavior.
I disagree. They were surrounded by a bunch of scummy people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=180&v=MkXfiKrT80U

[Chris]

I’m sure the diocesan school will come down big on these kids. This is unacceptable behavior.

Listen to the video, they've condemned it and are investigating with possible expulsions coming.

[DGUtley]

i have defended Catholic School expulsion hearings. It will be bad for these kids.

[pragmatic]

I’m sure the diocesan school will come down big on these kids. This is unacceptable behavior.

The school responds...


https://www.covcath.org/

[Captain Obvious]

The school responds...


https://www.covcath.org/

In case Jeb conveniently misses it


A MESSAGE FROM THE DIOCESE OF COVINGTON AND COVINGTON CATHOLIC HIGH SCHOOL We condemn the actions of the Covington Catholic High School students towards Nathan Phillips specifically, and Native Americans in general, Jan. 18, after the March for Life, in Washington, D.C. We extend our deepest apologies to Mr. Phillips. This behavior is opposed to the Church’s teachings on the dignity and respect of the human person.
The matter is being investigated and we will take appropriate action, up to and including expulsion.
We know this incident also has tainted the entire witness of the March for Life and express our most sincere apologies to all those who attended the March and all those who support the pro-life movement.
The Diocese of Covington and Covington Catholic High School

[Jeb!]

In case Jeb conveniently misses it
Oh no, considering I am required to have the same opinion as the school, this is a disappointment.

[pragmatic]

Worth a read.

Here is a counter position on what happened during the event from one of the school boys. Interesting. Very different summary.


“In the midst of our cheers we were approached by a group of adults led by Nathan Phillips, with Phillips beating his drum. They forced their way into the center of our group. We initially thought this was a cultural display since he was beating along to our cheers and we clapped to the beat. He came to stand in front of one of my classmates who stood where he was, smiling and enjoying the experience.
However, after multiple minutes of Mr. Phillips beating his drum directly in the face of my friend (mere centimeters from his nose) we became confused and started wondering what was happening.”




https://www.redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2019/01/20/student-provides-video-says-classmate-not-mock-native-american-vietnam-veteran/

[Hoosier8]

Full video of what transpired regarding Catholic High students

An awful lot of hate for those 'dusty ass crackers'.


https://youtu.be/UQyBHTTqb38

[Chris]

I disagree. They were surrounded by a bunch of scummy people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=180&v=MkXfiKrT80U


Interesting. I was just reading the kid's mother claimed the Indians walked up to and confronted the kids. Seems to be what your video shows.

[Chris]

Full video of what transpired regarding Catholic High students

An awful lot of hate for those 'dusty ass crackers'.


https://youtu.be/UQyBHTTqb38


The mother said the kids were being harrassed by black muslims.

[Hoosier8]

The mother said the kids were being harrassed by black muslims.

Calling the kids Goddamned Dogs, Rapists, etc..

[DGUtley]

It will be investigated.

[Captain Obvious]

Interesting. I was just reading the kid's mother claimed the Indians walked up to and confronted the kids. Seems to be what your video shows.

Well, that is a different twist, but it's hard to tell what's all going on there. The whole thing seemed almost mob-like.

[Helena]

Well, that is a different twist, but it's hard to tell what's all going on there. The whole thing seemed almost mob-like.
That's crowds for ya.

[Hoosier8]

Well, that is a different twist, but it's hard to tell what's all going on there. The whole thing seemed almost mob-like.
Waiting for their bus.

[pragmatic]

It will be investigated.

Was just going to mention that. As was also noted by the school's spokesperson.

The Catholic school was obligated to provide some kind of response. The optics of the initial video were terrible. The image of a "smirking punk kid taunting a gentle old native american".

But the followup stories suggest there was probably a lot more going on during the overall time period. Several groups and more complexity to the event.


Semi-fascinating story to track...reminder that many things are not as simple as they first may seem.

[MisterVeritis]

The mother said the kids were being harrassed by black muslims.
I watched the recording. At around the 72-minute mark, several Indians beating drums walk up to the kids. The kids just stand there.

The school owes the kids an apology.

[Chris]

My impression is this area is used for a lot of protests and that likely a lot of protests conflict, as seems to be the case here.


My other impression is that anti-MAGAs tried to use a shortened "fake" video against Trump.

[donttread]

I’m sure the diocesan school will come down big on these kids. This is unacceptable behavior.

If the event was school related they should nail these kids to .... the wall.

[Common]

Ill wait until the investigation is concluded

[DGUtley]

If the event was school related they should nail these kids to .... the wall.

If they were in the wrong.

[donttread]

Worth a read.

Here is a counter position on what happened during the event from one of the school boys. Interesting. Very different summary.


“In the midst of our cheers we were approached by a group of adults led by Nathan Phillips, with Phillips beating his drum. They forced their way into the center of our group. We initially thought this was a cultural display since he was beating along to our cheers and we clapped to the beat. He came to stand in front of one of my classmates who stood where he was, smiling and enjoying the experience.
However, after multiple minutes of Mr. Phillips beating his drum directly in the face of my friend (mere centimeters from his nose) we became confused and started wondering what was happening.”




https://www.redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2019/01/20/student-provides-video-says-classmate-not-mock-native-american-vietnam-veteran/


LOL . There is a tricky move the kid could have made if this was the case. It's highly technical but he looks athletic enough to have pulled it off. It's called BACKING UP. LOL. That was NOT an "I'm enjoying this music" smile.

[Cletus]

If they were in the wrong.

It increasingly appears they were not.

[Jeb!]

It increasingly appears they were not.

Maybe the one around 1:59 who looked like he was doing a tomahawk chop (on second thought, I don't even know if he was doing that). But the kid with the smug look on his face is deserving unnecessary criticism.

[Captain Obvious]

It increasingly appears they were not.

It increasingly appears that there was a lot going on and probably likely contributory.

DGU is a lawyer, he'll get this concept. You and others won't.

[donttread]

My impression is this area is used for a lot of protests and that likely a lot of protests conflict, as seems to be the case here.


My other impression is that anti-MAGAs tried to use a shortened "fake" video against Trump.


You know that minority on minority contact is not news. In fact it is the white males fault. However the kid still did what he did.

[Hoosier8]

You know that minority on minority contact is not news. In fact it is the white males fault. However the kid still did what he did.
You mean just standing there while the activist got in his face banging a drum inches from his face?

[Chris]

You know that minority on minority contact is not news. In fact it is the white males fault. However the kid still did what he did.

Stood, smiled, stared so far as I can see. The jeering from the group of kids was childish but they are children. But that's what politics has become, confrontational. AOC and others stormed Pelosi's office. She and other freshmen Dems stormed around the capital in search of McConnell. Jeff Flake was confronted in an elevator by female protesters. Monkey see monkey do.

[hanger4]

It seems, upon further review, the Covington Catholic boys in MAGA caps is going down the drain about as quickly as the BuzzFeed story. .............. https://spectator.us/liberal-punch-child/

[Captain Obvious]

Naturally the topic turns into a cheerleading contest

[Helena]

You mean just standing there while the activist got in his face banging a drum inches from his face?


"We're here, We're Indigenous, and We're in your face!"

All parties involved provoked each other. That's how I see it from watching the full video a few times.

[Chris]

This video, from Hanger's link, shows the confrontation lasted maybe a minute and was broken up by one of the kids's leaders. The video returns to the black Muslims accusing Trump of being a homosexual, oh my!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npX801xLSFY

[exotix]

"We're here, We're Indigenous, and We're in your face!"

All parties involved provoked each other. That's how I see it from watching the full video a few times.I think the important point is, is that all you have to do is sport a MAGA Hat and your entire persona becomes deplorable.


Here, these teens' Catholic School teachings have died.


Just like everything else Trumpf touches.




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[Lummy]

@ 0:52 the guy holding up a picture of Obama appears to be wearing a MAGA hat.

Hello?

As I said, this whole episode is probably a stupid stunt to smear Trump. That's it. Both sides are in on it.

[Mister D]

Naturally the topic turns into a cheerleading contest

What I find pathetic is how trivial this is regardless of what happened and who was responsible.

[Lummy]

I think the important point is, is that all you have to do is sport a MAGA Hat and your entire persona becomes deplorable.
What a chump you are -- a real knowledgeable sucker who learns nothing from politics as they develop.

[Captain Obvious]

What I find pathetic is how trivial this is regardless of what happened and who was responsible.

Well, it's politically charged.

Anti-abortion rally, MAGA hats, casino indians, and... crazy moooslims.

What could ever had gone wrong?

:biglaugh:

[Lummy]

What I find pathetic is how trivial this is regardless of what happened and who was responsible.
How trivial is it? It's viral and it smears Trump bigly, not to mention the Catholic Church. That's what it is, so how trivial is that?

[Chris]

I think the important point is, is that all you have to do is sport a MAGA Hat and your entire persona becomes deplorable.


Here, these teens' Catholic School teachings have died.


Just like everything else Trumpf touches.




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All about Trump.

What died already is your thread.

[Lummy]

Well, it's politically charged.

Anti-abortion rally, MAGA hats, casino indians, and... crazy moooslims.

What could ever had gone wrong?

:biglaugh:

Pine Ridge Native Americans are not casino injuns. They are, however, heavily Democrat.

[Lummy]

If I wasn't convinced this is fake confrontation, I'd be writing that school a nasty letter, but I can't quite go there. We'll see ...

[Helena]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_at9dOElQk

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[MisterVeritis]

If the event was school related they should nail these kids to .... the wall.
Why?

[MisterVeritis]

Well, it's politically charged.

Anti-abortion rally, MAGA hats, casino indians, and... crazy moooslims.

What could ever had gone wrong?

:biglaugh:
I believe it was a pro-life rally.

[Captain Obvious]

I believe it was a pro-life rally.

Anti-abortion = pro-life, thought a friend should tell you.

[MisterVeritis]

Anti-abortion = pro-life, thought a friend should tell you.
Pro-life is pro-life. Pro tip: get it right.

[Captain Obvious]

Pro-life is pro-life. Pro tip: get it right.
Just take a mulligan, you make a lot of mistakes, no worries.

[pragmatic]

Anti-abortion = pro-life, thought a friend should tell you.

Those "pro-abortion" folks can be a little testy about the nomenclature as well......maybe even more so.

Everybody's a critic.




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[Hoosier8]

Anti-abortion = pro-life, thought a friend should tell you.

The opposite of anti-abortion is pro-abortion and the opposite of pro-life is anti-life. Two different things.

[Captain Obvious]

The opposite of anti-abortion is pro-abortion and the opposite of pro-life is anti-life. Two different things.

I shouldn't but... explain

[Hoosier8]

This kid, who's life is currently being destroyed, actually gestures to his friend to show Nathan Phillips respect during his drumming! All of it happening of course with another activist is screaming to go back to Europe because all he can do is be white?

[Hoosier8]

I shouldn't but... explain
When you are not arguing the same language issue, you will never be able to come to an agreement.

Are pro-abortion activists anti-life?

[MisterVeritis]

Just take a mulligan, you make a lot of mistakes, no worries.
What did the people running their march call it? Did they call it a march for life or are they as foolish as you are? You hard left radicals don't always get your way. That must hurt a bit.

Pro-life is pro-life. Abortion is murder sanctioned by and paid for by the State.

[Chris]

@ 0:52 the guy holding up a picture of Obama appears to be wearing a MAGA hat.

Hello?

As I said, this whole episode is probably a stupid stunt to smear Trump. That's it. Both sides are in on it.

Yea, noticed that.

https://i.snag.gy/XgBAq5.jpg

[Captain Obvious]

When you are not arguing the same language issue, you will never be able to come to an agreement.

Are pro-abortion activists anti-life?

Alright, let me dumb it down.

What's the difference between pro-life and anti-abortion?

Can't wait...

[MisterVeritis]

Alright, let me dumb it down.
What's the difference between pro-life and anti-abortion?
Can't wait...
Your side uses anti-abortion. Why not use better language?

When you support the women who murder their babies do you call it pro-abortion or pro-choice?

[Captain Obvious]

Your side uses anti-abortion. Why not use better language?

When you support the women who murder their babies do you call it pro-abortion or pro-choice?

ah... foolish wording sensitivities. Well you and the other one can waste your time over trivial subtleties if you want, it's par for your courses.

I call it "pro-baby-in-a-blender" for what it's worth.

Or murder, take your pick.

[MisterVeritis]

ah... foolish wording sensitivities. Well you and the other one can waste your time over trivial subtleties if you want, it's par for your courses.

I call it "pro-baby-in-a-blender" for what it's worth.

Or murder, take your pick.
Then you should have no objection to Pro-life. Should you?

[Captain Obvious]

Then you should have no objection to Pro-life. Should you?
I never did, you're the one who has his Depends in a twist over it.

[MisterVeritis]

I never did, you're the one who has his Depends in a twist over it.
Now you are lying.

[Captain Obvious]

Now you are lying.

Your attention span limit is 45 minutes I see, that explains a lot.

:biglaugh:

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/105178-MAGA-Catholic-School-teens-taunting-Native-American-Viet-Nam-Vet-goes-Viral?p=2513773&viewfull=1#post2513773

[MisterVeritis]

Your attention span limit is 45 minutes I see, that explains a lot.

:biglaugh:

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/105178-MAGA-Catholic-School-teens-taunting-Native-American-Viet-Nam-Vet-goes-Viral?p=2513773&viewfull=1#post2513773
I am happy to correct you as frequently as is required. Let me know when you are ready for your next correction.

[countryboy]

I’m sure the diocesan school will come down big on these kids. This is unacceptable behavior.
What did the kids do that was "unacceptable"? Yes, they were acting like teenage boys, is that somehow a crime? I thought the kid staring down the drum beater was a little brat, but there is another opinion of how this went down. This guy does a pretty good job of breaking down this incident IMHO.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=362&v=Hp4oUBTS0DM

[roadmaster]

I am not Catholic but those boys did nothing wrong.

[DGUtley]

Some let a cocky look on a kids face and the MAGA apparel lead them to a snap judgement & in this day & age of the internet & dishonest actors they should not have done that. They own this mistake, it's on them and no one else.

[roadmaster]

The Black Hebrew Israelites decided to yell at them, call them dogs, ect. Then these decided to confront these young men waiting on the bus, getting in their faces and then claiming they are victims. If they had been the bad people as the media portrayed they would have pushed the old man down or yelled at him for putting the drums right at their faces. I defended the old Indian until I watched the whole thing. He got in their space instead of the other way around. That Catholic School should thank the young man for keeping his cool which I would have not of.

[countryboy]

Oh look, Chief Drumbeater is an anti-Trump activist.

https://www.gettyimages.nl/detail/nieuwsfoto's/native-youth-alliance-executive-director-nathan-phillips-nieuwsfotos/674197778

[roadmaster]

Oh look, Chief Drumbeater is an anti-Trump activist.

https://www.gettyimages.nl/detail/nieuwsfoto's/native-youth-alliance-executive-director-nathan-phillips-nieuwsfotos/674197778
I knew something was wrong with this story, when the media portrayed the Black Israelites as Bible believers. I knew they were hiding something then and that is why I looked into it.

[Captain Obvious]

Oh look, Chief Drumbeater is an anti-Trump activist.

https://www.gettyimages.nl/detail/nieuwsfoto's/native-youth-alliance-executive-director-nathan-phillips-nieuwsfotos/674197778
https://media.giphy.com/media/xT9IgHGoUtRLPS1t9C/giphy.gif

[MisterVeritis]

https://media.giphy.com/media/xT9IgHGoUtRLPS1t9C/giphy.gif
I prefer this picture to his.

[countryboy]

https://media.giphy.com/media/xT9IgHGoUtRLPS1t9C/giphy.gif

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2012/02/meyers.gif

[Captain Obvious]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2012/02/meyers.gif

Well at least I'm waiting for more of the story to develop before making a determination of fault.

Like a typical Trump supporter, your mind is already made up.

That you choose to be a cheerleading buffoon is a reflection on you, not me.

[roadmaster]

The only thing I see they did wrong was being too passive. That old man would have been made to take that drum set out of my face. He better be glad they were Catholic instead of Baptist.

[Captain Obvious]

I prefer this picture to his.
ok I laughed.

We agree also

[Cletus]

It increasingly appears that there was a lot going on and probably likely contributory.

DGU is a lawyer, he'll get this concept. You and others won't.

Don't pretend to know things you don't and don't ever assume others don't know everything you do and more.

[Captain Obvious]

:biglaugh:

[pragmatic]

What did the kids do that was "unacceptable"? Yes, they were acting like teenage boys, is that somehow a crime? I thought the kid staring down the drum beater was a little brat, but there is another opinion of how this went down. This guy does a pretty good job of breaking down this incident IMHO.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=362&v=Hp4oUBTS0DM


Thought that was a pretty great objective summary.

Thanks.

[Hoosier8]

Alright, let me dumb it down.

What's the difference between pro-life and anti-abortion?

Can't wait...

Already explained.

[Ransom]

@exotix (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=516) gets caught reporting fake news again. It was this drum beating moron that approached the teen, there was no taunt, exo-fake news-tix again shows his arse on our forum.

I'll continue to maintain, this is the fake news territory. No credibility whatsoever and reason there is an ignore list. I cannot watch train wrecks.

[Lummy]

Here's the confrontation explained by a few participants and witnesses: https://ktla.com/2019/01/20/teen-in-video-recorded-confrontation-with-native-american-elder-says-he-was-trying-to-defuse-situation/

What is missing from the clips apparently would show a key role in agitating angst all around by a handful of blacks that were taunting others with racist slurs.

[Ransom]

Well at least I'm waiting for more of the story to develop before making a determination of fault.

Like a typical Trump supporter, your mind is already made up.

That you choose to be a cheerleading buffoon is a reflection on you, not me.

Has the story developed, Captain Obvious? Have you made any "determinations", does the truth mirror the media's version of events.

[jimmyz]

So you're waiting for your bus on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial on a school field trip and a creepy old guy steps up and starts drumming and singing in your face. What would yoU do?

I would stand by politely. Having an equally "creepy" smirk? Probably would skip that myself.

[Ransom]

I wonder if the Indigenous Peoples hold each other to account? Being a bit of an historian, I do know some of the history of the American Indian...how for example the Comanche drove the Apache out of the North American Southwest virtually exterminating them. Are the Apache representatives addressing Comanche ancestry, asking for just compensation? Showing evidence of ethnic cleansing or forced starvations? Indian tribes did have their civil wars, their leadership most interested in western weaponry in order to kill their enemies.

Course.....the Indians for the most part, very poor. Very dependent on local resources, no access to anything but. Their teepees for example set on top of Last Chance Gulch one of the largest US gold deposits....and they had no idea what it was. The dull yellow rocks cascading down their waterway....children's rock collections nothing more.

[Captdon]

The full video has been released and it shows the Indigenous guy started the whole thing. All the kid did was smile. Wow. liberals here ought to be embarrassed but they won't be.

[ripmeister]

The full video has been released and it shows the Indigenous guy started the whole thing. All the kid did was smile. Wow. liberals here ought to be embarrassed but they won't be.

What should be embarrassing is a group of people on a so called March For Life who support someone who's demonization of others is antithetical to such. MAGA!

[MisterVeritis]

What should be embarrassing is a group of people on a so called March For Life who support someone who's demonization of others is antithetical to such. MAGA!
This is kook stuff. Having seen the truth you reject it for lies.

[DGUtley]

What should be embarrassing is a group of people on a so called March For Life who support someone who's demonization of others is antithetical to such. MAGA!

I am curious, what has Trump done that's antithetical to life?

Listen, he's the President. You can support or not support him, but really shouldn't chastise this group for supporting the most pro-life president ever because you don't like his in-your-face politics. I know a lot of people in the pro-life movement who don't like his methods either but voted for him because of his pro-life stance. Saving the lives of the unborn is of paramount importance to these folks. This is a very passionate issue to alot of people. I try hard not to demonize those that supported Hillary, but I have plenty of reason to and definitely could do so. It is unseemly.

There's a lot of things about this President's methods that I don't like, but it was about the courts for me. We're winning that issue.

[countryboy]

The full video has been released and it shows the Indigenous guy started the whole thing. All the kid did was smile. Wow. liberals here ought to be embarrassed but they won't be.

Damn, the very next post, as if on cue.


What should be embarrassing is a group of people on a so called March For Life who support someone who's demonization of others is antithetical to such. MAGA!

Hey rip, you might wanna wake up and smell the organic, shade grown, fair trade coffee.

From The Atlantic.

I Failed the Covington Catholic TestNext time there’s a viral story, I’ll wait for more facts to emerge. (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/julie-irwin-zimmerman-i-failed-covington-catholic-test/580897/)
By Sunday morning, more videos had surfaced, and I started looking for the clip that showed them chanting support for the wall. I couldn’t find it, but I did find a confrontation more complicated than I’d first believed. I saw a few people yelling terrible insults at the students before Phillips approached, which cast an ugly pall over the scene. I saw Phillips approach the students; I had believed him when he said he’d intended his drumming to defuse the tension, but I also wondered how a group of high-school students could have gleaned that when he didn’t articulate it in a language they might understand.

I hated the maga hats some of the kids were wearing, their listless tomahawk chops, the way some of their chanting mocked Phillips’s. But I also saw someone with Phillips yelling at a few of the kids that his people had been here first, that Europeans had stolen their land. While I wouldn’t disagree, the scene was at odds with the reports that Phillips and those with him were attempting to calm a tense situation.

As I watched the longer videos, I began to see the smirking kid in a different light. It seemed to me that a wave of emotions rolled over his face as Phillips approached him: confusion, fear, resolve. He finally, I thought, settled on an expression designed to mimic respect while signaling to his friends that he had this under control. Observing it, I wondered what different reaction I could have reasonably hoped a high-school junior to have in such an unfamiliar and bewildering situation. I came up empty.

Let’s assume the worst, and agree that the boy was being disrespectful. That still would not justify the death threats he’s been receiving. It would not justify the harassment of the other Covington Catholic student who wasn’t even in Washington, D.C., but who was falsely identified as the smirker by some social-media users. Online vigilantes unearthed his parents’ address and peppered his family with threats all weekend long, even as they were trying to celebrate a family wedding, accusing them of raising a racist and promising to harm their family business.

The story is a Rorschach test—tell me how you first reacted, and I can probably tell where you live, who you voted for in 2016, and your general take on a list of other issues—but it shouldn’t be. Take away the video and tell me why millions of people care so much about an obnoxious group of high-school students protesting legalized abortion and a small circle of American Indians protesting centuries of mistreatment who were briefly locked in a tense standoff. Take away Twitter and Facebook and explain why total strangers care so much about people they don’t know in a confrontation they didn’t witness. Why are we all so primed for outrage, and what if the thousands of words and countless hours spent on this had been directed toward something consequential?

If the Covington Catholic incident was a test, it’s one I failed—along with most others. Will we learn from it, or will we continue to roam social media, looking for the next outrage fix? Next time a story like this surfaces, I’ll try to sit it out until more facts have emerged. I’ll remind myself that the truth is sometimes unknowable, and I’ll stick to discussing the news with people I know in real life, instead of with strangers whom I’ve never met. I’ll get my news from legitimate journalists instead of from an online mob for whom Saturday-morning indignation is just another form of entertainment. And above all, I’ll try to take the advice I give my kids daily: Put the phone down and go do something productive.

[ripmeister]

This is kook stuff. Having seen the truth you reject it for lies.

Not even sure what that means but regardless its irrelevant. People who calls themselves pro life that support and encourage the dehumanization of "others". Amazing. Do you think these kids even recognize the irony of it all? Quite doubtful.

[alexa]

I am curious, what has Trump done that's antithetical to life?

Listen, he's the President. You can support or not support him, but really shouldn't chastise this group for supporting the most pro-life president ever because you don't like his in-your-face politics. I know a lot of people in the pro-life movement who don't like his methods either but voted for him because of his pro-life stance. Saving the lives of the unborn is of paramount importance to these folks. This is a very passionate issue to alot of people. I try hard not to demonize those that supported Hillary, but I have plenty of reason to and definitely could do so. It is unseemly.

There's a lot of things about this President's methods that I don't like, but it was about the courts for me. We're winning that issue.

The most pro-life president ever?

Who told you that? Trump or Sanders?

[ripmeister]

I am curious, what has Trump done that's antithetical to life?

Listen, he's the President. You can support or not support him, but really shouldn't chastise this group for supporting the most pro-life president ever because you don't like his in-your-face politics. I know a lot of people in the pro-life movement who don't like his methods either but voted for him because of his pro-life stance. Saving the lives of the unborn is of paramount importance to these folks. This is a very passionate issue to alot of people. I try hard not to demonize those that supported Hillary, but I have plenty of reason to and definitely could do so. It is unseemly.

There's a lot of things about this President's methods that I don't like, but it was about the courts for me. We're winning that issue.
Separation of families with young children as a starter. Painting all people of a certain group with a broad brush as another example. The bottom line is many of these pro lifers are only so on the abortion issue. I understand the Courts argument and people like you who support Trump for that reason. The question is at what point is it too far. At what point regardless of your court appointment victories do you say this is not right? Apparently for many that point has not been reached yet. You definitely are as you put it "winning the issue", but at what cost in terms of human dignity.

[ripmeister]

Damn, the very next post, as if on cue.



Hey rip, you might wanna wake up and smell the organic, shade grown, fair trade coffee.

From The Atlantic.

I Failed the Covington Catholic TestNext time there’s a viral story, I’ll wait for more facts to emerge. (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/julie-irwin-zimmerman-i-failed-covington-catholic-test/580897/)
My comment was not it terms of this specific story and what did or did not happen. My comment was it terms of Trump supporting "Pro Life"-MAGA folks. You missed the point.

[jimmyz]

Post deleted. Dupe link to countryboy's post

[jimmyz]

Is the Indian guy guilty of stolen valor? https://granitegrok.com/blog/2019/01/is ... ietnam-vet (https://granitegrok.com/blog/2019/01/is-nathan-phillips-too-young-to-be-a-vietnam-vet)

[countryboy]

An apology from someone at The Atlantic https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/julie-irwin-zimmerman-i-failed-covington-catholic-test/580897/
I just posted that a couple of posts back. I wonder if her career will survive.

[alexa]

There was a time when ethical people believed, as I do, that good ends never justify evil means.

I guess that's gone out of fashion.


It is therefore an error to judge the morality of human acts by considering only the intention that inspires them or the circumstances (environment, social pressure, duress or emergency, etc.) which supply their context. There are acts which, in and of themselves, independently of circumstances and intentions, are always gravely illicit by reason of their object; such as blasphemy and perjury, murder and adultery. One may not do evil so that good may result from it.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s1c1a4.htm

[jimmyz]

I just posted that a couple of posts back. I wonder if her career will survive.

Doh! I removed my dupe link post.

[DGUtley]

The most pro-life president ever? Who told you that? Trump or Sanders?

The following quote has provided inspiration for many in the pro-life cause:

"When the time comes, as it surely will, when we face that awesome moment, the final judgment, I've often thought, as Fulton Sheen wrote, that it is a terrible moment of loneliness. You have no advocates, you are there alone standing before God -- and a terror will rip your soul like nothing you can imagine. But I really think that those in the pro-life movement will not be alone. I think there'll be a chorus of voices that have never been heard in this world but are heard beautifully and clearly in the next world -- and they will plead for everyone who has been in this movement. They will say to God, 'Spare him, because he loved us!'" — and God will look at you and say not, “Did you succeed?” but “Did you try?”‘”
Well done, good and faithful servant!


-- Congressman Henry Hyde

[countryboy]

Doh! I removed my dupe link post.
You didn't have to do that man, I was just asking the question. Libs don't take kindly to admitting fault, especially where MAGA hat wearers are concerned.

[alexa]

The following quote has provided inspiration for many in the pro-life cause:

"When the time comes, as it surely will, when we face that awesome moment, the final judgment, I've often thought, as Fulton Sheen wrote, that it is a terrible moment of loneliness. You have no advocates, you are there alone standing before God -- and a terror will rip your soul like nothing you can imagine. But I really think that those in the pro-life movement will not be alone. I think there'll be a chorus of voices that have never been heard in this world but are heard beautifully and clearly in the next world -- and they will plead for everyone who has been in this movement. They will say to God, 'Spare him, because he loved us!'" — and God will look at you and say not, “Did you succeed?” but “Did you try?”‘”
Well done, good and faithful servant!


-- Congressman Henry Hyde

And that has what to do with Trump, who probably couldn't pick Henry Hyde out of a police line up?

I'll stick with the Vatican when it comes to matter of morality.

You can stick with Henry Hyde, thou good and faithful servant..

[DGUtley]

Separation of families with young children as a starter. Painting all people of a certain group with a broad brush as another example. The bottom line is many of these pro lifers are only so on the abortion issue. I understand the Courts argument and people like you who support Trump for that reason. The question is at what point is it too far. At what point regardless of your court appointment victories do you say this is not right? Apparently for many that point has not been reached yet. You definitely are as you put it "winning the issue", but at what cost in terms of human dignity.

The Obama and his ilk separated children at the border but it was a non-issue then. The left has been painting all people of a certain group with a broad brush for years. I am against both of those, by the way but i was surprised that they got any attention b/c they both had been done by the left. To me, it was and is a preservation of the union thingy. Truly. I know you disagree. I get it. I believed in my heart of hearts that the union structurally was in peril with what she'd have done with a court she'd have appointed. The country structurally will survive another few generations for us to continue to bicker within the boundary lines. We cannot say that it would've had she'd been elected and given control of the courts -- we'd already seen what they'd done with the judicial power they'd had.

[Mister D]

Separation of families with young children as a starter. Painting all people of a certain group with a broad brush as another example. The bottom line is many of these pro lifers are only so on the abortion issue. I understand the Courts argument and people like you who support Trump for that reason. The question is at what point is it too far. At what point regardless of your court appointment victories do you say this is not right? Apparently for many that point has not been reached yet. You definitely are as you put it "winning the issue", but at what cost in terms of human dignity.

I laughed out loud.

[Mister D]

My comment was not it terms of this specific story and what did or did not happen. My comment was it terms of Trump supporting "Pro Life"-MAGA folks. You missed the point.

The "specific story" made fools out of gullible progressives. Apparently, you refuse to be left out.

[Lummy]

I wonder if the Indigenous Peoples hold each other to account? Being a bit of an historian, I do know some of the history of the American Indian...how for example the Comanche drove the Apache out of the North American Southwest virtually exterminating them. Are the Apache representatives addressing Comanche ancestry, asking for just compensation? Showing evidence of ethnic cleansing or forced starvations? Indian tribes did have their civil wars, their leadership most interested in western weaponry in order to kill their enemies.

Course.....the Indians for the most part, very poor. Very dependent on local resources, no access to anything but. Their teepees for example set on top of Last Chance Gulch one of the largest US gold deposits....and they had no idea what it was. The dull yellow rocks cascading down their waterway....children's rock collections nothing more.

Well, for one thing, Native Americans in the east were forced west, out onto the Great Plains so that what had taken many centuries of interaction between tribes (who were familiar with each other coast to coast so that those on the east coast knew what was going on on the west coast, believe it or not) to establish, was dissolved, and the tribes' traditional areas were radically compressed while their resources were exhausted.

It was a tragedy of epic proportions. And it just makes me furious that blacks through Obama have milked billions of dollars in tobacco money, in reparations and all things bullshit that Congress, for whatever reason, allows them to get away with, fucking you in the ass totally forever.

It has been just awful, and still the liberals' favorite poster child of "unfairness".

It makes me sick, frankly. And here blacks are again, this time at the Lincoln Memorial calling themselves the first jews or some fucking thing, fomenting ill will and contempt like the devil himself.

IT'S WHAT THEY DO.

[Chris]

Separation of families with young children as a starter. Painting all people of a certain group with a broad brush as another example. The bottom line is many of these pro lifers are only so on the abortion issue. I understand the Courts argument and people like you who support Trump for that reason. The question is at what point is it too far. At what point regardless of your court appointment victories do you say this is not right? Apparently for many that point has not been reached yet. You definitely are as you put it "winning the issue", but at what cost in terms of human dignity.

"Separation of families with young children" didn't really happen. The majority of those kids where sent north alone by their families in the company of coyotes. Agents seperated the kids from coyotes for their own safety.

[alexa]

"Separation of families with young children" didn't really happen. The majority of those kids where sent north alone by their families in the company of coyotes. Agents seperated the kids from coyotes for their own safety.
Some proof of that would be nice.

[MisterVeritis]

Not even sure what that means but regardless its irrelevant. People who calls themselves pro life that support and encourage the dehumanization of "others". Amazing. Do you think these kids even recognize the irony of it all? Quite doubtful.
It means you believe stupid things.

[MisterVeritis]

Separation of families with young children as a starter.
This is puppet stuff. How long have you been a leftist puppet?


Painting all people of a certain group with a broad brush as another example.
MS13? Illegal alien invaders? Democratic party leaders?


The bottom line is many of these pro lifers are only so on the abortion issue. I understand the Courts argument and people like you who support Trump for that reason. The question is at what point is it too far. At what point regardless of your court appointment victories do you say this is not right? Apparently for many that point has not been reached yet. You definitely are as you put it "winning the issue", but at what cost in terms of human dignity.
We are winning the issue because we are on the right side. You are on the anti-American side. The wrong side.

[MisterVeritis]

There was a time when ethical people believed, as I do, that good ends never justify evil means.
I guess that's gone out of fashion.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s1c1a4.htm
Stop doing evil. Easy-peasy.

[alexa]

Stop doing evil. Easy-peasy.
If you're going to quote me, don't change my posts.

[MisterVeritis]

If you're going to quote me, don't change my posts.
You are the one who used a quote box in the middle of your post.

I will do as I please. If you want the reply with quote to work use quote marks.

[Chris]

Some proof of that would be nice.

It's been happening for a long time.

No country for lost kids (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/country-lost-kids): "A record number of children from Central America are crossing the Mexico-U.S. border unaccompanied by a parent. Many of them are fleeing drug violence at home, but here in the United States, they’re faced with a new set of challenges –- a border patrol system unequipped to handle them and a future filled with uncertainty."

Where Are the Children? (https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/04/27/where-are-the-children): "By last summer, the number of child migrants travelling alone had soared above fifty thousand, straining the capacity of the systems put in place to deal with them. "

[alexa]

It's been happening for a long time.

No country for lost kids (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/country-lost-kids): "A record number of children from Central America are crossing the Mexico-U.S. border unaccompanied by a parent. Many of them are fleeing drug violence at home, but here in the United States, they’re faced with a new set of challenges –- a border patrol system unequipped to handle them and a future filled with uncertainty."

Where Are the Children? (https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/04/27/where-are-the-children): "By last summer, the number of child migrants travelling alone had soared above fifty thousand, straining the capacity of the systems put in place to deal with them. "
So that makes it okay to take accompanied children away from their parents?

Interesting

[Cletus]

So that makes it okay to take accompanied children away from their parents?

Interesting

Give me even one example anywhere in the United States with any agency in which a parent accompanied by a child is arrested and incarcerated and the child is allowed to stay with the parent while he is locked up.

[alexa]

Give me even one example anywhere in the United States with any agency in which a parent accompanied by a child is arrested and incarcerated and the child is allowed to stay with the parent while he is locked up.
GIve me one example anywhere in the United States where the children of arrestees are put in cages and tent cities in the desert.

[Chris]

So that makes it okay to take accompanied children away from their parents?

Interesting

Where'd you pull that wacky idea out of?

The point is simple, in many cases the kids aren't accompanied by parents and, because of the many dangers to them, if the parents don't have papers proving it, they're separated until such time as that can be established.

[alexa]

Where'd you pull that wacky idea out of?

The point is simple, in many cases the kids aren't accompanied by parents and, because of the many dangers to them, if the parents don't have papers proving it, they're separated until such time as that can be established.
So that justifies separating children from their parents.

Got it.

[Tahuyaman]

The most pro-life president ever?

Who told you that? Trump or Sanders?


His actions demonstrate it.

[Peter1469]

It seems that Vietnam vets are questioning the media's line that Nathan Phillips is a Vietnam vet. It seems as if people have requested public records from the Marine Corps via FOIA. Some of the interviews with Phillips, Phillips himself says that he was a Vietnam era vet. That would indicate that he never served in Vietnam.

I have seen wilder claims where it is alleged that Phillips claimed he was a Marine Recon Ranger- there is no such thing.

And he claims to be 64, so there is a very short time frame that he could have been a Marine in Vietnam, other than Embassy duty. The last Marine combat units left in 1971. That was about 48 years ago.

[Mister D]

Perhaps he is the victim of this video in one sense. Lol

[Hoosier8]

It seems that Vietnam vets are questioning the media's line that Nathan Phillips is a Vietnam vet. It seems as if people have requested public records from the Marine Corps via FOIA. Some of the interviews with Phillips, Phillips himself says that he was a Vietnam era vet. That would indicate that he never served in Vietnam.

I have seen wilder claims where it is alleged that Phillips claimed he was a Marine Recon Ranger- there is no such thing.

And he claims to be 64, so there is a very short time frame that we could have been a Marine in Vietnam, other than Embassy duty. The last Marine combat units left in 1971. That was about 48 years ago.
He could have been in starting in 72 and Vietnam ended in 75 so he could be a Vietnam Era vet.

[Peter1469]

He could have been in starting in 72 and Vietnam ended in 75 so he could be a Vietnam Era vet.

The term Vietnam era vet refers to someone in the military while the US was at war with Vietnam. It does not refer to a veteran who served in Vietnam.

[Ransom]

I’m sure the diocesan school will come down big on these kids. This is unacceptable behavior.

@DGUtley (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=2019) might you explain this post right here. Was it the smile from the 17 year old that was unacceptable?
Tell me you were being facetious right there....and please don't tell me you have Captain Obvious thanking that post either.

[alexa]

It seems that Vietnam vets are questioning the media's line that Nathan Phillips is a Vietnam vet. It seems as if people have requested public records from the Marine Corps via FOIA. Some of the interviews with Phillips, Phillips himself says that he was a Vietnam era vet. That would indicate that he never served in Vietnam.

I have seen wilder claims where it is alleged that Phillips claimed he was a Marine Recon Ranger- there is no such thing.

And he claims to be 64, so there is a very short time frame that he could have been a Marine in Vietnam, other than Embassy duty. The last Marine combat units left in 1971. That was about 48 years ago.
As far as I can see, he's never claimed to be anything other than a Vietnam era vet, which he is.

[Ransom]

As far as I can see, he likes to confront Catholic boys.

[DGUtley]

@DGUtley (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=2019) might you explain this post right here. Was it the smile from the 17 year old that was unacceptable?
Tell me you were being facetious right there....and please don't tell me you have Captain Obvious thanking that post either.

If it was as the media claimed the diocesan school would clamp down on them as this type of conduct is unacceptable. See my later post.

[Ransom]

If it was as the media claimed the diocesan school would clamp down on them as this type of conduct is unacceptable. See my later post.

So....you weren't being facetious? You were already....based on media reports that is.....all the way into what the school or diocese or both should or would do? Are you telling me the media had misled you to such a degree?

[DGUtley]

So....you weren't being facetious? You were already....based on media reports that is.....all the way into what the school or diocese or both should or would do? Are you telling me the media had misled you to such a degree?

Superficially to some degree, as I was saying that on its face it was bad but I quickly said let’s investigate or if they were wrong or something like that.

[Peter1469]

As far as I can see, he's never claimed to be anything other than a Vietnam era vet, which he is.

I agree that he said Vietnam era. The media changed it to Vietnam vet. Of course, it is very possible that the difference between the two are lost on most of the media.

[Ransom]

Superficially to some degree, as I was saying that on its face it was bad but I quickly said let’s investigate or if they were wrong or something like that.
It's just that the school actually did come down on these kids. When they did nothing. In fact....acted as the adults in the matter. The media here snowed many, pulled one over on the very school that teaches these students, completely misled the public on what actually happened...and you temporarily got caught up in that whirlwind, that media storm?

[alexa]

I agree that he said Vietnam era. The media changed it to Vietnam vet. Of course, it is very possible that the difference between the two are lost on most of the media.

The difference between the two is lost on most people, not just the media.

[Chris]

I agree that he said Vietnam era. The media changed it to Vietnam vet. Of course, it is very possible that the difference between the two are lost on most of the media.

More media fakery.

[ripmeister]

I laughed out loud.

Not suprised Alaine.

[ripmeister]

"Separation of families with young children" didn't really happen. The majority of those kids where sent north alone by their families in the company of coyotes. Agents seperated the kids from coyotes for their own safety.

That certainly has been the company line.

[ripmeister]

It means you believe stupid things.

I do believe you on occasion.

[MisterVeritis]

I do believe you on occasion.
Sure. I believe you.

[ripmeister]

So that makes it okay to take accompanied children away from their parents?

Interesting

Apparently. More whataboutism.

[MisterVeritis]

Apparently. More whataboutism.
I would discuss this with you but your mind is made up.

[Tahuyaman]

Today


Teens in Make America Great Again hats taunted a Native American elder at the Lincoln Memorial

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/19/us/teens-mock-native-elder-trnd/index.html

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ei=JJZEXJWtOc-q_Qa_9KmIAg&q=kentucky+teens+maga&oq=kentucky+teens&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.0i3l4.3290.4907..7298...0.0..0.107.572.4j2. .....0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71j0i131i67j0i67j0j0i131.5HSD-BQ6qyE


'It was getting Ugly'

A crowd of teenagers surrounded a Native American elder and other activists and mocked them after Friday's Indigenous Peoples March at the Lincoln Memorial.

Videos of the confrontation show a smiling young man in a red Make America Great Again hat standing directly in front of the man, who was playing a drum and chanting. Other kids could be seen laughing, jumping around and making fun of the chants.

"I did not feel safe in that circle," said Kaya Taitano, a student at the University of the District of Columbia who participated in the march and shot the videos.

She told CNN that the teens were chanting things like "Build the wall" and "Trump 2020."





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKegaFO7xU0


https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1547999083/6_egk4v0.png

Apparently this story was misreported. Intentionally. Shocking, huh?

[roadmaster]

More media fakery. It's all fake and that old man knew what he was doing.

https://youtu.be/mBhWUZ2pexw

[alexa]

lol

[Chris]

lol

https://i.snag.gy/qU9ls3.jpg

[Hoosier8]

The term Vietnam era vet refers to someone in the military while the US was at war with Vietnam. It does not refer to a veteran who served in Vietnam.
Correct and what I said before. When in the military we often had no choice where we were stationed. For instance I was in for 8 years and was put in the SAC underground headquarters and could never even went TDY.

[roadmaster]

https://youtu.be/M4L4jUgDQO8


The right needs to stop being passive and get angry

[exotix]

@exotix (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=516) gets caught reporting fake news again. It was this drum beating moron that approached the teen, there was no taunt, exo-fake news-tix again shows his arse on our forum.

I'll continue to maintain, this is the fake news territory. No credibility whatsoever and reason there is an ignore list. I cannot watch train wrecks.MAGA big time comeback ... tremendous ... yuge ! ... LOL




://www.aol.com/article/news/2019/01/22/trump-says-maga-teen-from-viral-video-was-treated-unfairly-as-furor-continues/23649265/# (https://www.aol.com/article/news/2019/01/22/trump-says-maga-teen-from-viral-video-was-treated-unfairly-as-furor-continues/23649265/#)


https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1548169537/8_cocadg.png

[Ransom]

I'll agree the Right should stand up and fight this, it's slander in my opinion. Here on these forums, there is no such thing as slander. The record clear who kneejerk believed this reporting. Our own Exo, DGUtley, many others.....hook, line, and f'n sinker.

Wow. Gullibility it seems on the incline when I would think with our knowledge that the news is fake would see it decline.

I reckon some are just that gullible still. Sad.

[Captdon]

What should be embarrassing is a group of people on a so called March For Life who support someone who's demonization of others is antithetical to such. MAGA!

And you felt compelled to prove my point.

[Captdon]

Not even sure what that means but regardless its irrelevant. People who calls themselves pro life that support and encourage the dehumanization of "others". Amazing. Do you think these kids even recognize the irony of it all? Quite doubtful.

Stop! I don't need any more validation.

[Captdon]

Separation of families with young children as a starter. Painting all people of a certain group with a broad brush as another example. The bottom line is many of these pro lifers are only so on the abortion issue. I understand the Courts argument and people like you who support Trump for that reason. The question is at what point is it too far. At what point regardless of your court appointment victories do you say this is not right? Apparently for many that point has not been reached yet. You definitely are as you put it "winning the issue", but at what cost in terms of human dignity.

Those people should go home. We don't need them. We have someone who is doing what he said he would. I know Democrats can't figure that out but I'm pointing it out. Try to learn.

[Captdon]

My comment was not it terms of this specific story and what did or did not happen. My comment was it terms of Trump supporting "Pro Life"-MAGA folks. You missed the point.

You didn't have a point.

[Captdon]

There was a time when ethical people believed, as I do, that good ends never justify evil means.

I guess that's gone out of fashion.



http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s1c1a4.htm

Your ethical standards? What a crock.

[Captdon]

And that has what to do with Trump, who probably couldn't pick Henry Hyde out of a police line up?

I'll stick with the Vatican when it comes to matter of morality.

You can stick with Henry Hyde, thou good and faithful servant..

You don't know the meaning of morality. Here's a clue for you: the Vatican believes in the right to life. Guess that shoots the Hell out of your morality.

[alexa]

You don't know the meaning of morality. Here's a clue for you: the Vatican believes in the right to life. Guess that shoots the Hell out of your morality.
Mmm hmm

[Captdon]

As far as I can see, he's never claimed to be anything other than a Vietnam era vet, which he is.

Which he is not. Combat ended when he was 16.

[Captdon]

Correct and what I said before. When in the military we often had no choice where we were stationed. For instance I was in for 8 years and was put in the SAC underground headquarters and could never even went TDY.

I'm 71 and have never heard of a Vietnam era vet who served after 1972; not once.

[alexa]

Which he is not. Combat ended when he was 16.

So you don't know what a Viet Nam era vet is either.

Why am I not surprised?

[Captdon]

So you don't know what a Viet Nam era vet is either.

Why am I not surprised?

I said I never heard anyone say it.

[alexa]

As far as I can see, he's never claimed to be anything other than a Vietnam era vet, which he is.


Which he is not. Combat ended when he was 16.


So you don't know what a Viet Nam era vet is either.

Why am I not surprised?


I said I never heard anyone say it.

No, you called him a liar.

Man up.

[Hoosier8]

I'm 71 and have never heard of a Vietnam era vet who served after 1972; not once.
Vietnam Era Veteran date range February 28, 1961, and ending on May 7, 1975

[alexa]

Vietnam Era Veteran date range February 28, 1961, and ending on May 7, 1975
That's for vets who were actually there. Everyone else is from 1964 (forget the exact mont/day)

[DGUtley]

According to CNN transcripts, Nathan Phillips stated he was a Vietnam veteran, twice: https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/21/us/nathan-phillips-maga-teens-interview/index.html

[Hoosier8]

That's for vets who were actually there. Everyone else is from 1964 (forget the exact mont/day)

Anyone that served during that time got the Vietnam Era Veteran ribbon and the bennies that went along with it.

I take it you are not a Vietnam Era Vet like me.

[alexa]

Anyone that served during that time got the Vietnam Era Veteran ribbon and the bennies that went along with it.

I take it you are not a Vietnam Era Vet like me.

I didn't say they didn't

I said the start date for those who weren't physically in Vietnam during their service was different.

[DGUtley]

Vietnam Era Veteran defined: https://www.veteranstodayarchives.com/2009/07/28/the-definition-of-a-vietnam-era-veteran/

[Hoosier8]

I didn't say they didn't

I said the start date for those who weren't physically in Vietnam during their service was different.
You are right, 61 to 75 for those that were in country as a police action to start with. 64 to 75 for the war.

[Tahuyaman]

It's not surprising to see the liberals hand on to the false narrative even after it was proven that the original story was based on a false premise.

[Cletus]

According to CNN transcripts, Nathan Phillips stated he was a Vietnam veteran, twice: https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/21/us/nathan-phillips-maga-teens-interview/index.html

He said he was a "Vietnam times veteran". He didn't say he was a "Vietnam veteran".


The guy's a scumbag, but the "stolen valor" allegations against him are bullshit.

[pragmatic]

He said he was a "Vietnam times veteran". He didn't say he was a "Vietnam veteran".


The guy's a scumbag, but the "stolen valor" allegations against him are bull$#@!.

Actually, you are incorrect. (unless CNN is fabricating the story.)

Read the CNN interview...

[Cletus]

Actually, you are incorrect. (unless CNN is fabricating the story.)

Read the CNN interview...

CNN altered the transcript. LISTEN to what he actually SAID.

[pragmatic]

CNN altered the transcript. LISTEN to what he actually SAID.


That would be bizarre.....those CNN rascals.

If CNN genuinely altered his words, what do you think would be their motivation??

[Cletus]

That would be bizarre.....those CNN rascals.

If CNN genuinely altered his words, what do you think would be their motivation??

I hesitate to even try to guess. I could accept it as an honest mistake because "Vietnam time veteran" is not a term I have ever heard anyone use before and I could see how someone listening could easily just hear what they are accustomed to hearing because that is how our brains work. I have never even heard another "Vietnam era veteran" use the term "Vietnam era" to describe his term of service. It just isn't something that people normally say.

I suspect the guy uses it deliberately to give the impression he is a Vietnam veteran without actually claiming to be one.
I

[pragmatic]

I hesitate to even try to guess. I could accept it as an honest mistake because "Vietnam time veteran" is not a term I have ever heard anyone use before and I could see how someone listening could easily just hear what they are accustomed to hearing because that is how our brains work. I have never even heard another "Vietnam era veteran" use the term "Vietnam era" to describe his term of service. It just isn't something that people normally say.

I suspect the guy uses it deliberately to give the impression he is a Vietnam veteran without actually claiming to be one.


Phillips made the statement/claim twice in that CNN interview. If CNN altered both of the comments that would be some pretty serious journalistic malfeasance.

Guess we'll have to wait and see if they (CNN) get blowback.

[exotix]

Just In





"I Wish I Had Walked Away"


http://www.newser.com/story/270312/kentucky-student-wishes-he-had-walked-away.html


Students may get invite to White House anyway




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcRPaoL3a7I


https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1548261468/6_jfuhab.png

[Admiral Ackbar]

Just In







"I Wish I Had Walked Away"


http://www.newser.com/story/270312/kentucky-student-wishes-he-had-walked-away.html


Students may get invite to White House anyway




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcRPaoL3a7I


https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1548261468/6_jfuhab.png


No kidding. Imagine being a good well manner, smart kid like this and having the nut job Maoist mob on Twitter calling for you to be punched in the face and even killed. All because some weirdo is banging a drum in your face and you being the child are trying to diffuse the situation.



The Chairman smiles down on this whole episode.



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[DGUtley]

Our church in Medina has sent teenagers to the March for Life every year. I wonder what chilling impact this incident will have on the willingness to continue to do so.

[Tahuyaman]

Our church in Medina has sent teenagers to the March for Life every year. I wonder what chilling impact this incident will have on the willingness to continue to do so.

The only impact it should have is to ensure you also send respinsible adults as chaperones.

[exotix]

No kidding. Imagine being a good well manner, smart kid like this and having the nut job Maoist mob on Twitter calling for you to be punched in the face and even killed. All because some weirdo is banging a drum in your face and you being the child are trying to diffuse the situation.



The Chairman smiles down on this whole episode.

http://thepoliticalforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=25142&d=1548263114

25142Notice what happens to seemingly normal people once that they sport their MAGA Hat ...




https://www.worldatlas.com/r/w728-h425-c728x425/upload/fa/17/50/cultural-revolution.jpg


https://c1.staticflickr.com/2/1833/44024253361_1c126c8820_b.jpg

https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-xb0ld/images/stencil/original/products/477/1204/Trump-MAGA-hat-red__97590.1529379471.jpg?c=2&imbypass=on


https://www.bostonherald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/bh_Jan222019_A001.jpg

[exotix]

Check out this Hillbilly ... who after all that ... still gets in the face of the Native Americans sport'n he MAGA Hat ... proof that simply sporting your MAGA Hat turns you into a rabid Trumpf Loon ... sad.




Peaceful exchange between protester at Covington diocese, man wearing MAGA hat

https://local12.com/news/local/peaceful-exchange-between-protester-at-covington-diocese-man-wearing-maga-hat

http://static-33.sinclairstoryline.com/resources/media/844b929d-a32f-4a1e-8bf0-2e770a8e4146-large16x9_MAGAEXCHANGE.transfer_frame_935.png?1548 198656540

[hanger4]

Check out this Hillbilly ... who after all that ... still gets in the face of the Native Americans sport'n he MAGA Hat ... proof that simply sporting your MAGA Hat turns you into a rabid Trumpf Loon ... sad.Peaceful exchange between protester at Covington diocese, man wearing MAGA hathttps://local12.com/news/local/peaceful-exchange-between-protester-at-covington-diocese-man-wearing-maga-hathttp://static-33.sinclairstoryline.com/resources/media/844b929d-a32f-4a1e-8bf0-2e770a8e4146-large16x9_MAGAEXCHANGE.transfer_frame_935.png?1548 198656540Cool, you're thread failed by it's own weight of unsubstantiated BS, now you want to change the topic to MAGA caps somethingorother. :thumbsup:

[countryboy]

Today


Teens in Make America Great Again hats taunted a Native American elder at the Lincoln Memorial

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/19/us/teens-mock-native-elder-trnd/index.html

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ei=JJZEXJWtOc-q_Qa_9KmIAg&q=kentucky+teens+maga&oq=kentucky+teens&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.0i3l4.3290.4907..7298...0.0..0.107.572.4j2. .....0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71j0i131i67j0i67j0j0i131.5HSD-BQ6qyE


'It was getting Ugly'

A crowd of teenagers surrounded a Native American elder and other activists and mocked them after Friday's Indigenous Peoples March at the Lincoln Memorial.

Videos of the confrontation show a smiling young man in a red Make America Great Again hat standing directly in front of the man, who was playing a drum and chanting. Other kids could be seen laughing, jumping around and making fun of the chants.

"I did not feel safe in that circle," said Kaya Taitano, a student at the University of the District of Columbia who participated in the march and shot the videos.

She told CNN that the teens were chanting things like "Build the wall" and "Trump 2020."





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKegaFO7xU0


https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1547999083/6_egk4v0.png

You could probably have a mod change the title of your thread, since it's been proven to be fake news.

[exotix]

You could probably have a mod change the title of your thread, since it's been proven to be fake news.Why don't you change your avatar to a MAGA Hat sporting Alien ... *snicker*

[countryboy]

Why don't you change your avatar to a MAGA Hat sporting Alien ... *snicker*

Sooo, you are okay with a lie for a thread title? I'm not surprised.

MAGA hat alien, hmmm. Not a bad idea.

[exotix]

Sooo, you are okay with a lie for a thread title? I'm not surprised.

MAGA hat alien, hmmm. Not a bad idea.Yes ?

Seen the video yet where the MAGA Hat Teens first taunted the Black Hebrew Israelite's ?

Yeah, you had about 50 MAGA Hat Teens taunting the 4 Black Hebrew Israelite's, and then when the Black Hebrew Israelite's starting taunting back ... and things started getting ugly that's when the Native American Viet Nam Vet intervened with his little drum and got between the two sets of people ...


Then the MAGA Hat teens started taunting the Native American ...


Again, all you have to do is sport your MAGA Hat and you become a Trumpf rabid-loon ... and Trumpf and your ilk simply lies about what really happened ... simply because Faux Noize edited the videos and only wants you to see what they want you to see ... sad.



Sooo, you are okay with a lie for a thread title? I'm not surprised.

MAGA hat alien, hmmm. Not a bad idea.

[Peter1469]

Exo threw up a lot of TDS while I was at the gym I see.

[Safety]

Yes ?

Seen the video yet where the MAGA Hat Teens first taunted the Black Hebrew Israelite's ?

Yeah, you had about 50 MAGA Hat Teens taunting the 4 Black Hebrew Israelite's, and then when the Black Hebrew Israelite's starting taunting back ... and things started getting ugly that's when the Native American Viet Nam Vet intervened with his little drum and got between the two sets of people ...


Then the MAGA Hat teens started taunting the Native American ...


Again, all you have to do is sport your MAGA Hat and you become a Trumpf rabid-loon ... and Trumpf and your ilk simply lies about what really happened ... simply because Faux Noize edited the videos and only wants you to see what they want you to see ... sad.

The best part is, it's just a historical reenactment. While they are quick to publicly condemn black “thugs” whenever a person of Caucasian descent is involved, social cons repeatedly insist that we wait for more video or “all the facts to come out,”.

[Mister D]

"Social cons" lol

[Chris]

"Social cons" lol

He still blames Bush.

[Chris]

Exo threw up a lot of TDS while I was at the gym I see.

It's all about that MAGA hat. It's what triggers them.

[Chris]

Why don't you change your avatar to a MAGA Hat sporting Alien ... *snicker*


https://i.snag.gy/p5eTRi.jpg

[Safety]

Uranus.

[Helena]

Seen the video yet where the MAGA Hat Teens first taunted the Black Hebrew Israelite's ?


Am I going to regret this? No, I haven't. Where is it?

[countryboy]

Yes ?

Seen the video yet where the MAGA Hat Teens first taunted the Black Hebrew Israelite's ?

Yeah, you had about 50 MAGA Hat Teens taunting the 4 Black Hebrew Israelite's, and then when the Black Hebrew Israelite's starting taunting back ... and things started getting ugly that's when the Native American Viet Nam Vet intervened with his little drum and got between the two sets of people ...


Then the MAGA Hat teens started taunting the Native American ...


Again, all you have to do is sport your MAGA Hat and you become a Trumpf rabid-loon ... and Trumpf and your ilk simply lies about what really happened ... simply because Faux Noize edited the videos and only wants you to see what they want you to see ... sad.

Lol, you are utterly detached from reality. The kids never started anything, and Chief MasterBeater is not a Vietnam vet.

[Chris]

Am I going to regret this? No, I haven't. Where is it?

It happened the other way around.

[Jeb!]

Seen the video yet where the MAGA Hat Teens first taunted the Black Hebrew Israelite's ?


That's a pathetic lie... and even if it was true, there wouldn't be anything wrong with mocking a hate group.

[Helena]

It happened the other way around.

Yes, that is what I understand.

[Chris]

Yes, that is what I understand.

Still agree with you about the kid. Even though the Indian confronted him, he should ave, if nothing else, respected an elder. When the Indian approached the group, the group opened a path for him, just not the one kid. And a few second after the viral video, an older student came through and told him to back off, which he did. Anyway, he should have just let the old man have his way, no foul, no harm.

The media and the left, now that's a different story.

[exotix]

That's a pathetic lie... and even if it was true, there wouldn't be anything wrong with mocking a hate group.Really ? Just think if these MAGA teens had a car ...






http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170815115940-05-ryan-kelly-charlottesville-restricted-exlarge-169.jpg


https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170831181414-01-charlottesville-driver-exlarge-169.jpg

[exotix]

Today


Where yo MAGA Hat at ?





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ-nikXuYH0

[Jeb!]

Really ? Just think if these MAGA teens had a car ...






http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170815115940-05-ryan-kelly-charlottesville-restricted-exlarge-169.jpg


https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170831181414-01-charlottesville-driver-exlarge-169.jpg

This is what we call deflection.

[Helena]

Would you please direct me to the video that I haven't seen of the kids taunting the Black Israelite street preachers?

[Hoosier8]

Nathan Phillips - A Fridge Too Far

[exotix]

Would you please direct me to the video that I haven't seen of the kids taunting the Black Israelite street preachers?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpoTGUSRTwA



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBhWUZ2pexw

[Tahuyaman]

Yes, that is what I understand.Now that it has been exposed that this story was intentionally misreported, has your view of this teenager changed?

[stjames1_53]

Am I going to regret this? No, I haven't. Where is it?

it is actually in the full video............it had been posted in this thread


https://youtu.be/UQyBHTTqb38

[stjames1_53]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpoTGUSRTwA



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBhWUZ2pexw

see, here you go again, lying: this is all of it


https://youtu.be/UQyBHTTqb38

[Helena]

Now that it has been exposed that this story was intentionally misreported, has your view of this teenager changed?

Perhaps you missed this : http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/105163-This-kid?p=2515783&viewfull=1#post2515783

Additionally, the intentional misleading news reports were not a factor in my view of the kid's demeanor.

[exotix]

Nathan Phillips - A Fridge Too FarLook what happens just for wearing a MAGA Hat ... hey, they all ought'a wear they MAGA Hats at Federal Worker Foodlines.

[Admiral Ackbar]

Notice what happens to seemingly normal people once that they sport their MAGA Hat ...






https://www.worldatlas.com/r/w728-h425-c728x425/upload/fa/17/50/cultural-revolution.jpg


https://c1.staticflickr.com/2/1833/44024253361_1c126c8820_b.jpg

https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-xb0ld/images/stencil/original/products/477/1204/Trump-MAGA-hat-red__97590.1529379471.jpg?c=2&imbypass=on


https://www.bostonherald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/bh_Jan222019_A001.jpg


That makes no sense. The issue is the Maoist tactic of shouting down and silencing opponents

[Admiral Ackbar]

Our church in Medina has sent teenagers to the March for Life every year. I wonder what chilling impact this incident will have on the willingness to continue to do so.

Of course that is exactly what they are trying to do.. Get the opposition to shut their mouths and submit. Maoism in its purest form.

The Chairman Smiles down on effectiveness of his cadres.


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[Admiral Ackbar]

BTW not sure if I saw it discussed, but this fellow beating the drum is described as a Vietnam Vet. My understanding is he is careful to say he is a Vietnam era Vet. Big difference. This means he was not in country and certainly wasn't out in firefights with Charlie.

Guess is he was in motor pool in Ft. Wayne Indiana or something for two years.

[stjames1_53]

Perhaps you missed this : http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/105163-This-kid?p=2515783&viewfull=1#post2515783

Additionally, the intentional misleading news reports were not a factor in my view of the kid's demeanor.

If I didn't have my heavy beard, I'd have the same look...as if I were being smug, and I would be serious. One cannot help how they look......
Never judge a book by its cover.
Please, please, watch the video

[countryboy]

And since Exo ran away after I called him/her/it out about the lie of a thread title. Here's WAPO's correction regarding Chief MasterBeater.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/01/20/it-was-getting-ugly-native-american-drummer-speaks-maga-hat-wearing-teens-who-surrounded-him/


Correction: Earlier versions of this story incorrectly said that Native American activist Nathan Phillips fought in the Vietnam War. Phillips said he served in the U.S. Marines but was never deployed to Vietnam.

[stjames1_53]

And since Exo ran away after I called him/her/it out about the lie of a thread title. Here's WAPO's correction regarding Chief MasterBeater.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/01/20/it-was-getting-ugly-native-american-drummer-speaks-maga-hat-wearing-teens-who-surrounded-him/

actually, male............at least I was politically correct in identifying "male"

[Admiral Ackbar]

Perhaps you missed this : http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/105163-This-kid?p=2515783&viewfull=1#post2515783

Additionally, the intentional misleading news reports were not a factor in my view of the kid's demeanor.

Helena I think we finally agree on something. One thing I cant stand is smug people. Just jumps out of a picture when you see it. Cant hide that trait

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[Ransom]

And since Exo ran away after I called him/her/it out about the lie of a thread title. Here's WAPO's correction regarding Chief MasterBeater.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/01/20/it-was-getting-ugly-native-american-drummer-speaks-maga-hat-wearing-teens-who-surrounded-him/
Exo is fake news and should be ignored. Train wreck.

[Ransom]

@Helena (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=2762) I think we finally agree on something. One thing I cant stand is smug people. Just jumps out of a picture when you see it. Cant hide that trait

25146
Ask Helena if she got her flu shot yet

[Admiral Ackbar]

Ask @Helena (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=2762) if she got her flu shot yet


Ok I will bite.. Helena Did you get your flu shot yet?

[exotix]

And since Exo ran away after I called him/her/it out about the lie of a thread title. Here's WAPO's correction regarding Chief MasterBeater.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/01/20/it-was-getting-ugly-native-american-drummer-speaks-maga-hat-wearing-teens-who-surrounded-him/Anybody who served in the Armed Forces during War Time .... is a veteran of that War.

[exotix]

And since Exo ran away after I called him/her/it out about the lie of a thread title. Here's WAPO's correction regarding Chief MasterBeater.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/01/20/it-was-getting-ugly-native-american-drummer-speaks-maga-hat-wearing-teens-who-surrounded-him/


Exo is fake news and should be ignored. Train wreck.What armed forces did you serve in again ?

[Admiral Ackbar]

Anybody who served in the Armed Forces during War Time .... is a veteran of that War.

Ok sure... That is they way most people understand that. I mean when he says I am a Vietnam Vet people automatically think of the motor pool guy state side. There is no impression he was in country fighting off the VC..

My mistake

[stjames1_53]

Anybody who served in the Armed Forces during War Time .... is a veteran of that War.

what branch of our Armed Forces did Phillips serve in?

[stjames1_53]

What armed forces did you serve in again ?

stjames served in the US Navy..............CVA-61

[stjames1_53]

What armed forces did you serve in again ?

and you served in which branch?

[nathanbforrest45]

Anybody who served in the Armed Forces during War Time .... is a veteran of that War.
Not true. Only those who served in the theater of that war are veterans of that war. To be a Vietnam Veteran you would need to have served "in country" or in the adjacent waters. Otherwise you were a Vietnam Era Veteran. A friend and I both served in the mid 1960's. His entire tour of duty was in Germany. Mine was on a destroyer bombarding the coast of Vietnam. I was awarded the Vietnam Service Medal, he was not. He is a veteran but not a veteran of a war. He cannot join the Veterans of Foreign Wars for example.

You must be a veteran who has honorably served overseas in an area of foreignconflict in order to join the VFW. However, if you are not eligible for VFW membership but are the parent, grandparent, spouse, sibling, child or grandchild of a qualifying veteran, you can apply for membership in the VFW Auxiliary.

FAQ - VFW
https://www.vfw.org/about-us/faq (https://www.vfw.org/about-us/faq)

[countryboy]

Anybody who served in the Armed Forces during War Time .... is a veteran of that War.

Maybe in liberal lala land, but not in real life. Ask a veteran who served in Vietnam if that's correct. If you never deployed to Vietnam, you are not a Vietnam veteran. Don't be silly. Phillips also said he was a, Recon Ranger. The Marines have no such position.

[Admiral Ackbar]

Anybody who served in the Armed Forces during War Time .... is a veteran of that War.
exotix I hate to break this to you, but you should just cry uncle on this one. Good try, but you lost this battle

[nathanbforrest45]

@exotix (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=516) I hate to break this to you, but you should just cry uncle on this one. Good try, but you lost this battle

He will never admit he is wrong, he will just come out with some other juvenile post that is a meaningless as well

[alexa]

what branch of our Armed Forces did Phillips serve in?

Marines

[Tahuyaman]

Marines
It's been reported that he went AWOL several times. Plus he never went to Vietnam.

[exotix]

Maybe in liberal lala land, but not in real life. Ask a veteran who served in Vietnam if that's correct. If you never deployed to Vietnam, you are not a Vietnam veteran. Don't be silly. Phillips also said he was a, Recon Ranger. The Marines have no such position.
@exotix (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=516) I hate to break this to you, but you should just cry uncle on this one. Good try, but you lost this battle
He will never admit he is wrong, he will just come out with some other juvenile post that is a meaningless as wellYes ?


What war did your Messiah serve in ?


Oh, here it is ... a real life combat vet ... sad.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQcTOxaW62s

https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1548282448/7_risw4g.png

[alexa]

It's been reported that he went AWOL several times. Plus he never went to Vietnam.
Neither did you. He never said he did.

What's your point?

That's a rhetorical question.

[nathanbforrest45]

Yes ?


What war did your Messiah serve in ?


Oh, here it is ... a real life combat vet ... sad.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQcTOxaW62s

https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1548282448/7_risw4g.png
As I predicted. More nothing from the biggest nothing on the board

[nathanbforrest45]

Neither did you. He never said he did.

What's your point?

That's a rhetorical question.
Exotix thought he was. Was he wrong?

[Tahuyaman]

Neither did you. He never said he did.

What's your point?

That's a rhetorical question.


He said that he went to Vietnam and was spit on and called a baby killer upon his return. He lied.


He also made false claims about the things the teenagers were doing and saying. But, you'll stick with the proven false reporting because it meshes with your views.

[countryboy]

Yes ?


What war did your Messiah serve in ?



Lol. That's what I thought. I don't believe Jesus served in any war.

[alexa]

He said that he went to Vietnam and was spit on and called a baby killer upon his return. He lied.


He also made false claims about the things the teenagers were doing and saying. But, you'll stick with the proven false reporting because it meshes with your views.
Put up or shut up. Prove he said those things.

And no, a column from some right wing rag making the claim isn't proof.

[Tahuyaman]

Put up or shut up. Prove he said those things.

And no, a column from some right wing rag making the claim isn't proof.


You want me to prove it, but you freely admit that you won't except the truth. Are you related to Nancy Pelosi?

[nathanbforrest45]

According to Snopes (take that for what you will) Tribal Elder Nathan Phillips never claimed to be a Vietnam Veteran. He did claim to be a Vietnam Era Veteran and some news sources in their rush to condemn the Catholic Boys claimed that meant (like Exotix believed) he was a Vietnam Combat Veteran. This included such bastions of accurate reporting as the New York Times and the Washington Post. So, I am sure that unless someone can uncover a taped conversation with the Tribal Elder stating emphatically without question he was a Vietnam Combat Veteran (which I am sure has had a Tribal spell cast on by this time and erased) we must accept the Tribal Elder never claimed to be a combat veteran. He did claim however to be a Recon Ranger during the Vietnam Era which would should have provoked a question or two, first why was a Marine in the Army Recon Ranger force and two if he were in fact a Recon Ranger wouldn't that mean he really was a Vietnam Combat veteran?

A question I have is exactly what tribe is Mr. Phillips a Tribal Elder of? The Fugawe tribe perhaps?

[alexa]

You want me to prove it, but you freely admit that you won't except the truth. Are you related to Nancy Pelosi?
:rofl:

I never said I wouldn't accept the truth.

I knew you couldn't do it anyway, Cliff.

[alexa]

According to Snopes (take that for what you will) Tribal Elder Nathan Phillips never claimed to be a Vietnam Veteran. He did claim to be a Vietnam Era Veteran and some news sources in their rush to condemn the Catholic Boys claimed that meant (like Exotix believed) he was a Vietnam Combat Veteran. This included such bastions of accurate reporting as the New York Times and the Washington Post. So, I am sure that unless someone can uncover a taped conversation with the Tribal Elder stating emphatically without question he was a Vietnam Combat Veteran (which I am sure has had a Tribal spell cast on by this time and erased) we must accept the Tribal Elder never claimed to be a combat veteran. He did claim however to be a Recon Ranger during the Vietnam Era which would should have provoked a question or two, first why was a Marine in the Army Recon Ranger force and two if he were in fact a Recon Ranger wouldn't that mean he really was a Vietnam Combat veteran?

A question I have is exactly what tribe is Mr. Phillips a Tribal Elder of? The Fugawe tribe perhaps?

Got any proof that he claimed that?

I'll wait.