Roger Stone Indicted

[hanger4]

https://www.google.com/search?client=ucweb-b-bookmark&ei=E_tKXPChJ-GOggfkh77ACA&q=Roger+Stone+indicted&oq=Roger+Stone+indicted&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.12...16015.17577..19382...0.0..0.196.525.0j3. .....0....1.cnF0MvKEI5s .............. Seems he lied about his contacts with WikiLeaks

[Common]

This has been in the works

[Safety]

LoL, where's all the calls about a "nothingburger" now?

Oh, before I forget... rut-roh.

[Ethereal]

Indictments prove nothing.

More allegations of process crimes.

Zero proof that Trump "colluded" with the Russians.

Zero proof that the Russian state "interfered" in the elections.

Wake me up when something important happens.

[MisterVeritis]

LoL, where's all the calls about a "nothingburger" now?

Oh, before I forget... rut-roh.
Wait a day. If your erection lasts longer than four hours, as it often does when these stories are staged, well, you know.

[alexa]

*process crimes* didn't seem to exist when it was Hillary in the crosshairs.

Go figure

[hanger4]

*process crimes* didn't seem to exist when it was Hillary in the crosshairs.Go figureCopy that alexa, reckon why that was ??

[Max Rockatansky]

https://www.google.com/search?client=ucweb-b-bookmark&ei=E_tKXPChJ-GOggfkh77ACA&q=Roger+Stone+indicted&oq=Roger+Stone+indicted&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.12...16015.17577..19382...0.0..0.196.525.0j3. .....0....1.cnF0MvKEI5s .............. Seems he lied about his contacts with WikiLeaks
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. He threatened a witness's dog. What a scumbag.

[Private Pickle]

*process crimes* didn't seem to exist when it was Hillary in the crosshairs.

Go figure

You mean they didn't exist for her...she wasn't indicted...

[Peter1469]

https://www.google.com/search?client=ucweb-b-bookmark&ei=E_tKXPChJ-GOggfkh77ACA&q=Roger+Stone+indicted&oq=Roger+Stone+indicted&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.12...16015.17577..19382...0.0..0.196.525.0j3. .....0....1.cnF0MvKEI5s .............. Seems he lied about his contacts with WikiLeaks
Or not- he says he did not have contact with them and does not know what Wiki has and what evidence the government has. That is why his attorneys asked for clarification from the prosecution.

[Peter1469]

*process crimes* didn't seem to exist when it was Hillary in the crosshairs.

Go figure
The Espionage Act, the Federal Records Act, ect are not process crimes.

[alexa]

Copy that alexa, reckon why that was ??
Because hacks like you weren't defending her.

Process crimes are crimes committed by those whom RWNJ worship.

Other people don't get the same cushy treatment.

[alexa]

The Espionage Act, the Federal Records Act, ect are not process crimes.

Is perjury a process crime?

[Max Rockatansky]

Is perjury a process crime?
No, it's not. Neither is violating handling of classified material laws or obstruction of justice.

[alexa]

No, it's not. Neither is violating handling of classified material laws or obstruction of justice.

I don't disagree.

Process crimes are a construct of Trump's defenders.

[Max Rockatansky]

I don't disagree.
Process crimes are a construct of Trump's defenders.
Agreed. They said one thing when it was Hillary but reversed themselves when it was Trump. Go figure.

[hanger4]

Because hacks like you weren't defending her.Process crimes are crimes committed by those whom RWNJ worship.Other people don't get the same cushy treatment.Or could it be because her aids were given immuinty ?? Naaaaah that couldn't be it.

[Peter1469]

Is perjury a process crime?
Yes.

Process crimes are crimes that impede the judicial process.

[Peter1469]

I don't disagree.

Process crimes are a construct of Trump's defenders.
Not unless they have been around for a very long time- back to English Common Law.

[Peter1469]

Agreed. They said one thing when it was Hillary but reversed themselves when it was Trump. Go figure.
How so?

[Max Rockatansky]

How so?
I think Hillary was guilty as Hell for several things beginning with her and Bill's actions in Arkansas. The Republicans have been after her for so long, often rightfully so, that they've lost all perspective. The CT shit about Vince Foster and Benghazi (I'd look more at Obama for that one) are the ludicrous examples. Her exclusive use of a private unsecure server, blatant disregard for classified material handling protocols and her excessive financial influence on the DNC are the most factual criminal complaints against her. What happened? Nothing. She skated and now sips bottles of wine in her multi-million dollar homes. Meanwhile, the Republicans who made all of these complaints and actions against her are now whining when the same is done to Trump for legitimate reasons. The hypocrisy is neck deep.

[Peter1469]

I think Hillary was guilty as Hell for several things beginning with her and Bill's actions in Arkansas. The Republicans have been after her for so long, often rightfully so, that they've lost all perspective. The CT shit about Vince Foster and Benghazi (I'd look more at Obama for that one) are the ludicrous examples. Her exclusive use of a private unsecure server, blatant disregard for classified material handling protocols and her excessive financial influence on the DNC are the most factual criminal complaints against her. What happened? Nothing. She skated and now sips bottles of wine in her multi-million dollar homes. Meanwhile, the Republicans who made all of these complaints and actions against her are now whining when the same is done to Trump for legitimate reasons. The hypocrisy is neck deep.

I am still waiting for something legitimate about Trump and any crime.

I also think the Special Counsel memo appointing Muehler is legally insufficient.

[alexa]

I am still waiting for something legitimate about Trump and any crime.

I also think the Special Counsel memo appointing Muehler is legally insufficient.

All good things come to he who waits.

Tough break on the special counsel memo.

[roadmaster]

Muehler was allowed to go against the constitution and take all attorney and client privilege in his last raid. The FBI has all the man had, even ones who had nothing to do with anything. Trump could have put an end to this and he didn't a long time ago. People are looking and not seeing.

[Max Rockatansky]

I am still waiting for something legitimate about Trump and any crime.
I also think the Special Counsel memo appointing Muehler is legally insufficient.It might come, it might not. I have no clue what Mueller has found or what is coming.

Insufficient for what? He was assigned a mission just like Starr was given and he's following the evidence just like Starr did. Was what Starr did wrong? Insufficient??

[Max Rockatansky]

Muehler was allowed to go against the constitution and take all attorney and client privilege in his last raid. The FBI has all the man had, even ones who had nothing to do with anything. Trump could have put an end to this and he didn't a long time ago. People are looking and not seeing.
Disagreed, but if that was true, then the people who such evidence was used against will win on appeal.

[Peter1469]

It might come, it might not. I have no clue what Mueller has found or what is coming.

Insufficient for what? He was assigned a mission just like Starr was given and he's following the evidence just like Starr did. Was what Starr did wrong? Insufficient??

The special counsel statute requires that it is based on an underlying crime. The Mueller investigation is based on "collusion" and whatever that leads to. Collusion is nowhere to be found in the US criminal code.

[alexa]

The special counsel statute requires that it is based on an underlying crime. The Mueller investigation is based on "collusion" and whatever that leads to. Collusion is nowhere to be found in the US criminal code.

Oddly, collusion is nowhere to be found in the letter appointing Mueller, either.

[Peter1469]

Oddly, collusion is nowhere to be found in the letter appointing Mueller, either.
That is what paragraph (b) (1) means. Nevertheless, there is no underlying crime to serve as the basis of the appointment memo.

[alexa]

That is what paragraph (b) (1) means. Nevertheless, there is no underlying crime to serve as the basis of the appointment memo.
So Russian interference in our election isn't a crime in your opinion?

That's an interesting position.

[Peter1469]

So Russian interference in our election isn't a crime in your opinion?

That's an interesting position.
It doesn't have to do with Trump.

Russia and the Soviets before them have interfered in our elections for several decades. As we have theirs.

[Max Rockatansky]

The special counsel statute requires that it is based on an underlying crime. The Mueller investigation is based on "collusion" and whatever that leads to. Collusion is nowhere to be found in the US criminal code.
Sorry, but that's not true. The underlying crime is cyberwarfare by a foreign government.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/967231/download
By virtue of the authority vested in me as Acting Attorney General, including 28 U.S.C.§§ 509, 510, and 515, in order to discharge my responsibility to provide supervision and management of the Department of Justice, and to ensure a full and thorough investigation of the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election

[alexa]

It doesn't have to do with Trump.

Russia and the Soviets before them have interfered in our elections for several decades. As we have theirs.

I guess Trump is just unlucky then.

[Peter1469]

I guess Trump is just unlucky then.
Looks like he is caught up in a general warrant. We never allowed those here in the old Colonies.

[alexa]

Looks like he is caught up in a general warrant. We never allowed those here in the old Colonies.

Odd, how none of the hundreds of lawyers involved have twigged to this.

You should file an amicus brief.

Indeed, as an officer of the court, aren't you obligated to do so?

[Peter1469]

Odd, how none of the hundreds of lawyers involved have twigged to this.

You should file an amicus brief.

Indeed, as an officer of the court, aren't you obligated to do so?
There is no obligation to do so. Other lawyers have noted this as well. I said months ago that it is possible the document was made that way on purpose.

[alexa]

There is no obligation to do so. Other lawyers have noted this as well. I said months ago that it is possible the document was made that way on purpose.
Anything's possible.

Why hasn't one of Trump's surrogates challenge it on that basis?

[Peter1469]

Anything's possible.

Why hasn't one of Trump's surrogates challenge it on that basis?
Two reasons. First, their crimes were either not related to the memo- process crimes such as lying to investigators, congress, etc. So even if Mueller's mandate is legally insufficient, you still can't lie to federal agents.

Second, for those who plead guilty it seems as if Mueller had lots of things on each (like tax fraud, perjury, etc) and agreed to a fast plead deal (i.e. something that could be said to make Trump look bad) to make the pain go away.

[Max Rockatansky]

Two reasons. First, their crimes were either not related to the memo- process crimes such as lying to investigators, congress, etc. So even if Mueller's mandate is legally insufficient, you still can't lie to federal agents.

Second, for those who plead guilty it seems as if Mueller had lots of things on each (like tax fraud, perjury, etc) and agreed to a fast plead deal (i.e. something that could be said to make Trump look bad) to make the pain go away.
Al Capone went to jail for tax evasion, not mass murder even though he was behind the St. Valentine's Day massacre and numerous other murders. Whatever works, eh?

https://i.imgflip.com/2s3ik2.jpg

[Peter1469]

Al Capone went to jail for tax evasion, not mass murder even though he was behind the St. Valentine's Day massacre and numerous other murders. Whatever works, eh?



Investigations in Al Capone had legal bases.

[MisterVeritis]

All good things come to he who waits.

Tough break on the special counsel memo.
It is not a tough break. It is a crime.

[MisterVeritis]

It might come, it might not. I have no clue what Mueller has found or what is coming.

Insufficient for what? He was assigned a mission just like Starr was given and he's following the evidence just like Starr did. Was what Starr did wrong? Insufficient??
Give me the name and I will find you a crime.

We don't do that here. Until Mueller.

[MisterVeritis]

Sorry, but that's not true. The underlying crime is cyberwarfare by a foreign government.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/967231/download
By virtue of the authority vested in me as Acting Attorney General, including 28 U.S.C.§§ 509, 510, and 515, in order to discharge my responsibility to provide supervision and management of the Department of Justice, and to ensure a full and thorough investigation of the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election

That would be a counterintelligence investigation not a coup against a sitting president.

[MisterVeritis]

I guess Trump is just unlucky then.
It is called a coup attempt. The people who engineered it need to be hanged.

[alexa]

It is not a tough break. It is a crime.

And it's gotten past every one of the hundreds of lawyers involved.

Hmmm

What can I say?

Tough break

[alexa]

That would be a counterintelligence investigation not a coup against a sitting president.

Careful, you're veering dangerously close to rationality

[Max Rockatansky]

That would be a counterintelligence investigation not a coup against a sitting president.
Which is exactly what it is. Why else is the Republican Senate and, for two years, the Republican House supporting it?

[MisterVeritis]

And it's gotten past every one of the hundreds of lawyers involved.
Hmmm
What can I say?
Tough break
There are plenty of establishment Republicans who support the counter Trump coup. It is a shame.

[MisterVeritis]

That would be a counterintelligence investigation not a coup against a sitting president.

Which is exactly what it is. Why else is the Republican Senate and, for two years, the Republican House supporting it?
It is a coup attempt. We agree.

[MisterVeritis]

Careful, you're veering dangerously close to rationality
A counterintelligence investigation is not a criminal investigation.


This is a coup attempt.

[MisterVeritis]

That would be a counterintelligence investigation not a coup against a sitting president.

Careful, you're veering dangerously close to rationality
You, however, are in no danger of being close to rationality.