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Peter1469
01-25-2019, 07:47 AM
Waiting for a Shutdown to End in Disaster (https://www.nextgov.com/cio-briefing/2019/01/waiting-shutdown-end-disaster/154291/)

I am not posting this article because of its theme: that it will take a disaster before the congress and president get serious about ending the shutdown, but rather to illustrate the insider views on the likelihood of a compromise anytime soon.


As the longest government shutdown in American history lurches toward its fifth week, a grim but growing consensus has begun to emerge on Capitol Hill: There may be no way out of this mess until something disastrous happens.This is, of course, not a sentiment lawmakers are eager to share on the record. But in interviews this week with congressional staffers on both sides of the aisle (whom I granted anonymity in exchange for candor), I heard the same morbid idea expressed again and again.


The basic theory—explained to me between weary sighs and defeated shrugs—goes like this: Washington is at an impasse that looks increasingly unbreakable. President Donald Trump is dug in; so is Speaker Nancy Pelosi. Democrats have public opinion on their side, but the president is focused on his conservative base. For a deal to shake loose in this environment, it may require a failure of government so dramatic, so shocking, as to galvanize public outrage and force the two parties back to the negotiating table.


In these interviews, I heard an array of macabre hypotheticals—from airplane crashes to food-safety scares, TSA strikes to terrorist incidents. But the one theme that ran through every conversation was a sense that the current political dynamics won’t change until voters get a lot angrier.


“This is all pageantry,” a Democratic House aide said of the posturing by Trump and Congress. “It’s going to take a big national event to move things. I mean, we’re at a standstill.”


One senior Republican Senate staffer told me he could envision the shutdown lasting until March, when federal funding dries up for food stamps—a crisis that would be hard for Washington to ignore. “Not only are there going to be a lot of hungry families,” he said, “but there are going to be a lot of Walmarts and Safeways and Krogers that are missing revenue.”


Others warned of potential flash points in America’s airports, where TSA agents and air-traffic controllers have already been working without pay for weeks. According to the Washington Post reporter Robert Costa (https://twitter.com/costareports/status/1085302803482980353), some Republican lawmakers close to the White House have privately concluded that the shutdown won’t end until TSA employees stay home and Americans “get furious about their flights.”


On a similar—if darker—note, I spoke to one congressional staffer who wondered aloud whether it might take a stressed-out air-traffic controller causing a plane crash to bring an end to the shutdown. And several aides worried that some kind of terrorist incident would end up serving as the catalyst to get the government up and running again.


Doug Heye, a Republican strategist who spent more than a decade working in Congress, told me he could imagine the shutdown ending if the reported lapse in inspections (https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/15/health/shutdown-fda-food-inspections-risk/index.html) from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration prompted a widespread food-safety scare. “We saw what happened with romaine lettuce a few weeks ago,” he said. “You give that same kind of scare to a ranch in California, and all of a sudden not only do everyone’s beef prices go up, but there’s a mass panic.”

DGUtley
01-25-2019, 07:50 AM
I saw this article. All of these idiots are bullies. Nancy and Chuckie aren't going to give Donnie a win. Donnie isn't going to give Nancy and Chuckie a win. So.... how do we get out of the corner they've backed themselves into? Personally, I'd keep it closed til the D's caved but it's probably not practical.

Peter1469
01-25-2019, 07:55 AM
I saw this article. All of these idiots are bullies. Nancy and Chuckie aren't going to give Donnie a win. Donnie isn't going to give Nancy and Chuckie a win. So.... how do we get out of the corner they've backed themselves into? Personally, I'd keep it closed til the D's caved but it's probably not practical.
Both sides created this mess by opening "negotiation" with take-it-or-leave it offers. Now, as you say, neither side can budge without seeming to be losers. Although Trump has made several concessions that a normal opposition would take to save face.

DGUtley
01-25-2019, 07:58 AM
Both sides created this mess by opening "negotiation" with take-it-or-leave it offers. Now, as you say, neither side can budge without seeming to be losers. Although Trump has made several concessions that a normal opposition would take to save face.

I was taught as a lawyer to always let the other side save face in negotiations. What goes around comes around. In trial, no.

hanger4
01-25-2019, 08:00 AM
There's talk of a short term CR with a down payment toward the wall fence barrier.

Peter1469
01-25-2019, 08:04 AM
There's talk of a short term CR with a down payment toward the wall fence barrier.

Yes 3 weeks. At least that would get federal employees pay checks before the next shutdown. But it would cause more chaos associated with the shutdown.

MisterVeritis
01-25-2019, 09:33 AM
There's talk of a short term CR with a down payment toward the wall fence barrier.
In my opinion this capitulation will end the Trump Presidency.

President Trump should declare a national emergency and start building. Fuck Disregard the Democrats in the Congress and the courts.

MisterVeritis
01-25-2019, 09:35 AM
President Trump should start laying off the non-exemp, unessential democrats.

alexa
01-25-2019, 09:39 AM
I saw this article. All of these idiots are bullies. Nancy and Chuckie aren't going to give Donnie a win. Donnie isn't going to give Nancy and Chuckie a win. So.... how do we get out of the corner they've backed themselves into? Personally, I'd keep it closed til the D's caved but it's probably not practical.

Republicans are already fighting amongst themselves; you'll have a long wait.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/this-is-your-fault-gop-senators-clash-over-shutdown-inside-private-luncheon/2019/01/24/cde0ca22-2045-11e9-8b59-0a28f2191131_story.html?utm_term=.2d3f4a38b951

MisterVeritis
01-25-2019, 09:43 AM
Republicans are already fighting amongst themselves; you'll have a long wait.

No. The President has the authority to declare a national emergency and to build the wall. It is time.

alexa
01-25-2019, 09:44 AM
No. The President has the authority to declare a national emergency and to build the wall. It is time.

lol

It's such an emergency that he's waited two years to address it.

MisterVeritis
01-25-2019, 09:45 AM
lol

It's such an emergency that he's waited two years to address it.
Timing is everything.

Tahuyaman
01-25-2019, 04:20 PM
There's talk of a short term CR with a down payment toward the wall fence barrier.
They got their short term CR without that down payment.

alexa
01-25-2019, 04:22 PM
Nobody can make a deal like the cheeto.

That's why he went bankrupt running casinos.

hanger4
01-25-2019, 04:34 PM
Nobody can make a deal like the cheeto.That's why he went bankrupt running casinos.Reckon how many casinos went bankrupt in the last 10 - 20 years ??

MisterVeritis
01-25-2019, 04:35 PM
The shutdown ended in a disaster.

alexa
01-25-2019, 04:42 PM
Reckon how many casinos went bankrupt in the last 10 - 20 years ??
Leaving aside the fact that he went bankrupt (for the first of six times) almost 30 years ago, how many casinos didn't go bankrupt in the last 10-20 years?

How incompetent do you have to be to go bankrupt in a business where you're primarily dealing with degenerate gamblers and the odds are literally stacked in your favor?

Trump level incompetent, that's how incompetent you need to be.

Peter1469
01-25-2019, 04:55 PM
Nobody can make a deal like the cheeto.

That's why he went bankrupt running casinos.
Trump never went bankrupt.

Peter1469
01-25-2019, 04:56 PM
Reckon how many casinos went bankrupt in the last 10 - 20 years ??
Atlantic City is a shit hole- you run the risk of being a crime victim once you walk outside of a casino.

alexa
01-25-2019, 04:57 PM
Trump never went bankrupt.

He never declared personal bankruptcy.

His companies went bankrupt six times.

It's called a distinction without a difference.

Peter1469
01-25-2019, 05:15 PM
He never declared personal bankruptcy.

His companies went bankrupt six times.

It's called a distinction without a difference.
Actually, not it isn't. We use the corporate structure to limit our liability. If a business we owns is failing, for whatever reason, bankruptcy is a legal tool to either restructure its debts, or to go out of business in an orderly manner.

I have no idea how many businesses Trump has had over his career. What is the ration of success to failure?

alexa
01-25-2019, 05:18 PM
Actually, not it isn't. We use the corporate structure to limit our liability. If a business we owns is failing, for whatever reason, bankruptcy is a legal tool to either restructure its debts, or to go out of business in an orderly manner.

I have no idea how many businesses Trump has had over his career. What is the ration of success to failure?

Neither do I and I have no interest in finding out.

I've read that if he'd just left his father's money in an S&P 500 fund, he'd have twice as much as he allegedly has now, but I have no idea if that's true or not.

He's an obvious charlatan in my opinion, and the sooner he's gone, the better.

Peter1469
01-25-2019, 05:35 PM
Neither do I and I have no interest in finding out.

I've read that if he'd just left his father's money in an S&P 500 fund, he'd have twice as much as he allegedly has now, but I have no idea if that's true or not.

He's an obvious charlatan in my opinion, and the sooner he's gone, the better.
I have heard that too and I believe it.

But he used his money to build businesses and buildings that had untold benefit to the economy. Despite the few business failures. He was the first that bailed from Atlantic City- many others followed him. Because Atlantic City is a shit hole.

alexa
01-25-2019, 06:49 PM
I have heard that too and I believe it.

But he used his money to build businesses and buildings that had untold benefit to the economy. Despite the few business failures. He was the first that bailed from Atlantic City- many others followed him. Because Atlantic City is a $#@! hole.

I disagree with all of the above except that AC is a shithole.

He's a carny barker.

MisterVeritis
01-25-2019, 07:18 PM
Okay. The clock is ticking. February 15th is the next decision date. What will happen? Will the Congress give the President what he asked for?

alexa
01-25-2019, 07:34 PM
Okay. The clock is ticking. February 15th is the next decision date. What will happen? Will the Congress give the President what he asked for?

lol

What do you think?

MisterVeritis
01-25-2019, 07:38 PM
lol

What do you think?
I think not. Will the president finally declare a national emergency and have the Army Corp of
Engineers build the wall?

alexa
01-25-2019, 07:44 PM
I think not. Will the president finally declare a national emergency and have the Army Corp of
Engineers build the wall?
He can try.

Everything he touches succeeds, no?

MisterVeritis
01-25-2019, 07:50 PM
He can try.
Yes. He can declare a national emergency.

Everything he touches succeeds, no?
Almost everything, yes.

alexa
01-25-2019, 07:52 PM
Yes. He can declare a national emergency.

Almost everything, yes.
He can try.

Trump Airlines, Trump Steaks, Trump University, various bankruptcies and his tremendous success with the recent shutdown would argue otherwise.

Peter1469
01-25-2019, 08:04 PM
Okay. The clock is ticking. February 15th is the next decision date. What will happen? Will the Congress give the President what he asked for?

Of course not. He then needs to let the government shut down again, and this time declare a National Emergency, direct the Corps of Engineers to shift funds from disaster cleanup of 2018 storms and start the wall. When the 9th Circuit issues a restraining order tell them to enforce it and continue building.

Safety
01-25-2019, 08:14 PM
So, Donald Trump, who has touted himself as one of the best negotiators in existence, signed a bill today that was almost the exact same bill he was supposed to sign 34 days ago...no money in it at all for a wall and the one 34 days ago would have given him 1.7 billion for a wall....


Bwhahahahahahahaha

:roflmao:

alexa
01-25-2019, 08:48 PM
Of course not. He then needs to let the government shut down again, and this time declare a National Emergency, direct the Corps of Engineers to shift funds from disaster cleanup of 2018 storms and start the wall. When the 9th Circuit issues a restraining order tell them to enforce it and continue building.
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