Howard Schultz thinks politics are broken, and may run for president as an independen

[Peter1469]

Howard Schultz thinks politics are broken, and may run for president as an independent (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/01/howard-schultzs-independent-run-could-help-trump/581374/)


Before there was Jill Stein, there was Ralph Nader. Before there was Nader, there was Ross Perot.

None won. All argued that the Republican Party and the Democratic Party were basically the same, and the only way to make real change was to ditch them both. Each was blamed for siphoning off enough votes to throw the presidential elections.

Yet, they were right. I am very interested in seeing more of Schultz's platform.


Already top Democratic operatives working for presidential candidates and beyond say they’re worried that the only thing he’ll accomplish is making sure Donald Trump gets re-elected. It’s more than just sniping at a prospective opponent; word that he might invest in an independent run has many of them clearly worried about how he’d split votes in a general election.

I wonder why they think an independent candidate will hurt the dems more than the gopers?

Maybe because he has been a life-long dem?


Tina Podlodowski, the Washington State Democratic chair, blasted the idea of Schultz running as an independent in the press last week. She underscored her point on Friday in a fundraising email sent to donors, with the subject line “Howard Schultz could secure Trump’s re-election.”

“This worst-case scenario keeps me up at night. I want to spend our resources fighting for Democrats up and down the ballot, not fending off Howard Schultz’s independent bid,” she wrote.

I think the dems need to be worried about the utter lack of a viable candidate to challenge Trump.

[donttread]

Howard Schultz thinks politics are broken, and may run for president as an independent (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/01/howard-schultzs-independent-run-could-help-trump/581374/)



Yet, they were right. I am very interested in seeing more of Schultz's platform.



I wonder why they think an independent candidate will hurt the dems more than the gopers?

Maybe because he has been a life-long dem?



I think the dems need to be worried about the utter lack of a viable candidate to challenge Trump.


Perot essentially proved that the others were lying but the minions didn't care. Let's see what Howard can bring to the table

[DGUtley]

Interesting twist.

[Tahuyaman]

In Seattle he's known as Howard "The Rat" Schultz.

One can argue that politic is broken, but he's not going to fix anything.

[MMC]

“Trump’s strategy has always been divide and conquer, and this plays directly into his hands,” said one Democratic strategist, who was wary of taking on Schultz openly ahead of any announcement. “He’s Ralph Nader without any of Nader’s redeeming qualities. What’s his value proposition for America? Make America like a corporate chain?”


Democrats aren’t the only ones who see Schultz as potentially helping Trump win a second term. Bill Kristol, the Never Trump Republican who is most active both in media appearances and private conversations representing the GOP resistance to the president, said he wouldn’t support an independent run either.


“One reason my colleagues and I are focused on a Republican primary challenge to Trump—apart from the fact that we’re Republicans—is that it doesn’t present any of the problems of inadvertently helping him by being a spoiler,” Kristol wrote in an email.


Schultz, a lifelong Democrat, would run under the theory that the answer to the political division in the country right now is moving away from party politics. There’s little evidence to support that, as people report being more polarized and partisan, devoted to their own party and demonizing the other. For all the prominent Republicans who say they don’t like Trump, the president’s overall approval numbers among voters within his party remain sky high, according to polls. Schultz would have to persuade millions of them to abandon the party to vote for him, while drawing enough Democratic votes away from a party that is energized and excited about taking out the president.


For the past year, Schultz has been investing in burnishing his image and strategizing by hiring a number of experienced consultants, most prominently Steve Schmidt, the 2008 campaign manager for John McCain. Schmidt has spent the past 10 years on a mea culpa tour for his hand in Sarah Palin’s selection as McCain’s running mate, which took him first to being an MSNBC contributor, then to leaving the Republican Party, and now to guiding this effort.....snip~


https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/01/howard-schultzs-independent-run-could-help-trump/581374/



LMAO.....the Democrats blaming Trump for running a strategy of divide and conquer. That which the Demos have done since their creation. Same ole Leftists.....blame others for that which they do.


Schultz a lifelong Democrat won't upset the Demos apple cart. No way he jeopardizes their chances.

[Captdon]

Howard Schultz thinks politics are broken, and may run for president as an independent (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/01/howard-schultzs-independent-run-could-help-trump/581374/)



Yet, they were right. I am very interested in seeing more of Schultz's platform.



I wonder why they think an independent candidate will hurt the dems more than the gopers?

Maybe because he has been a life-long dem?



I think the dems need to be worried about the utter lack of a viable candidate to challenge Trump.

Millennials will vote for him.

[Peter1469]

Probably think they will get a free over priced coffee thing if they do.

[donttread]

“Trump’s strategy has always been divide and conquer, and this plays directly into his hands,” said one Democratic strategist, who was wary of taking on Schultz openly ahead of any announcement. “He’s Ralph Nader without any of Nader’s redeeming qualities. What’s his value proposition for America? Make America like a corporate chain?”


Democrats aren’t the only ones who see Schultz as potentially helping Trump win a second term. Bill Kristol, the Never Trump Republican who is most active both in media appearances and private conversations representing the GOP resistance to the president, said he wouldn’t support an independent run either.


“One reason my colleagues and I are focused on a Republican primary challenge to Trump—apart from the fact that we’re Republicans—is that it doesn’t present any of the problems of inadvertently helping him by being a spoiler,” Kristol wrote in an email.


Schultz, a lifelong Democrat, would run under the theory that the answer to the political division in the country right now is moving away from party politics. There’s little evidence to support that, as people report being more polarized and partisan, devoted to their own party and demonizing the other. For all the prominent Republicans who say they don’t like Trump, the president’s overall approval numbers among voters within his party remain sky high, according to polls. Schultz would have to persuade millions of them to abandon the party to vote for him, while drawing enough Democratic votes away from a party that is energized and excited about taking out the president.


For the past year, Schultz has been investing in burnishing his image and strategizing by hiring a number of experienced consultants, most prominently Steve Schmidt, the 2008 campaign manager for John McCain. Schmidt has spent the past 10 years on a mea culpa tour for his hand in Sarah Palin’s selection as McCain’s running mate, which took him first to being an MSNBC contributor, then to leaving the Republican Party, and now to guiding this effort.....snip~


https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/01/howard-schultzs-independent-run-could-help-trump/581374/



LMAO.....the Democrats blaming Trump for running a strategy of divide and conquer. That which the Demos have done since their creation. Same ole Leftists.....blame others for that which they do.


Schultz a lifelong Democrat won't upset the Demos apple cart. No way he jeopardizes their chances.


Look I don't know enough about Howard to have an opinion yet. However, this nonsense that a third party vote hurts us by taking a vote away from the dems or the repubs has to stop. That is only true as long as you can get people to believe that lie.
A great many of us are really sick of both and want a third party or coalition. We see little difference between the repubs and the dems because in the long run their regimes do the same shit. ( Make war, intervene, spend, rack up debt and deal out corporate welfare all while eating state's rights for breakfast) . So if both are the same taking a vote from one or the other in an attempt to vote our concious is not a problem , at least for us.

[MMC]

Well Schultz says he was a life long Democrat. So his platform will coincide with their agenda. Running as an Independent, strategy wise he will hurt the Demos. Not the Repubs.


Of course the Demos should have listened to Bill Kristol of the Never Trumpers. He is saying they will primary Trump.


Ross Perot hurt the Repubs when he ran.


The Third Party had better chances way back in the beginning of the Country. Not now. Reform Party, Constitutional Party hasn't even made a dent. Nor has the Green Party. This last adventure with Jill Stein. The Green Party ended up hurting the Demos. Just as they will if they run somebody again. The Libertarian Party will hurt Repubs.


Neither will win over 40% of the country.

[Peter1469]

Well Schultz says he was a life long Democrat. So his platform will coincide with their agenda. Running as an Independent, strategy wise he will hurt the Demos. Not the Repubs.


Of course the Demos should have listened to Bill Kristol of the Never Trumpers. He is saying they will primary Trump.


Ross Perot hurt the Repubs when he ran.


The Third Party had better chances way back in the beginning of the Country. Not now. Reform Party, Constitutional Party hasn't even made a dent. Nor has the Green Party. This last adventure with Jill Stein. The Green Party ended up hurting the Demos. Just as they will if they run somebody again. The Libertarian Party will hurt Repubs.


Neither will win over 40% of the country.
No (D) or (R) will get my vote. They all lie.

[donttread]

Well Schultz says he was a life long Democrat. So his platform will coincide with their agenda. Running as an Independent, strategy wise he will hurt the Demos. Not the Repubs.


Of course the Demos should have listened to Bill Kristol of the Never Trumpers. He is saying they will primary Trump.


Ross Perot hurt the Repubs when he ran.


The Third Party had better chances way back in the beginning of the Country. Not now. Reform Party, Constitutional Party hasn't even made a dent. Nor has the Green Party. This last adventure with Jill Stein. The Green Party ended up hurting the Demos. Just as they will if they run somebody again. The Libertarian Party will hurt Repubs.


Neither will win over 40% of the country.

It's about a third choice , not it's effect on the "two" . However, I think we need to start with congress, state and local first.

[MMC]

It's about a third choice , not it's effect on the "two" . However, I think we need to start with congress, state and local first.

Its about a 3rd Choice? Well we have had that 3rd choice for decades. Not one has come close to winning the Presidency. With modern politics.....it takes a party to win the Presidency.

While I agree that it has to start at the State and with Congress critters. Who can compete with the money. Then comes that party about the Rich thinking they know what is best for the country.


Which Schultz was hit with yesterday at one of his book signing events. He is trying to state he will run as a centrist. Yet how can he do so when he has lived his whole life believing the Democrats wish list. I doubt the millennials will want to see a centrist agenda.


Then people ask.....just what is a Centrist Agenda for a Leftist.

[Safety]

If he runs, he’ll be the Ross Perot of 2020.

[alexa]

At least this one is a real selfmade billionaire, not a phony like the asshat in the White House now.

[Tahuyaman]

I don’t believe he’ll have any impact. I’ve seen him speak several times. He always comes off as disingenuous. He also seems to appear as though he considers himself one of the elites. He’s not going to connect with the masses.

[MMC]

At least this one is a real selfmade billionaire, not a phony like the asshat in the White House now.

How many times did Trump go Bankrupt again?


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[Tahuyaman]

I watched his interview on Fox News today. He made me chuckle when he slammed Elizabeth Warren for being a hypocrite. I still can't support him.

[MMC]

I watched his interview on Fox News today. He made me chuckle when he slammed Elizabeth Warren for being a hypocrite. I still can't support him.
Yeah.....and Kamala Harris too. So far he has stepped up and not been afraid to say some shit about AOC, Warren, and Harris. He better watch out as they will accuse him of picking on women.

[Peter1469]

It will be interesting if he runs.

[alexa]

How many times did Trump go Bankrupt again?
6

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[Captdon]

A moderate Democrat is still a leftist.

[Tahuyaman]

Well, so much for his candidacy. He can't handle a bit of criticism. Having a thin skin is always a trait we need in a president.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/02/howard-schultz-already-reconsidering-this-whole-president-thing

Fox Business’s Charlie Gasparino and Lydia Moynihanreport (https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/howard-schultz-freaked-out-by-democratic-backlash-to-independent-presidential-run-rethinks-effort) that the man who made Pumpkin Spice Lattes a thing was “shocked by the stridency of the attacks made by Democrats” and is now said to be “looking more closely at whether he wants to go through with the effort.” While Schultz reportedly “expected some carping,” he somehow didn’t anticipate the “intense nature of the criticism.”

[Peter1469]

CNN is pushing for him (https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/30/opinions/howard-schultz-has-a-case-for-president-suri/index.html).


In the fall of 2016 Hillary Clinton called on (https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/09/politics/presidential-debate-highlights/index.html) Americans to unite behind her and defeat Donald Trump. It did not work. Similarly, in 1972 George McGovern asked (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.4president.org_speeches_mcgovern1972accept ance.htm&d=DwMGaQ&c=W8uiIUydLnv14aAum3Oieg&r=MKKK-dpeb_vrM501vNqMJ5ofyeL15QU_0ZRgrm6tLCU&m=BXcfsenzzStG3X1TPi09hhgwai9S0Hyp2sew95KVidM&s=lMPm9VvCnU3osoRloTxxnMCaHyqHdfruTWz3wwl85ks&e=) Americans to come together and defeat Richard Nixon. That did not work either.


Democrats have a terrible record of winning the presidency when they define their mission as defeating a hated adversary and expect voters to fall in line.

The tidal wave of criticism (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.washingtonpost.com_business_dems-2Dfear-2Dtrump-2Dre-2Delection-2Dif-2Dex-2Dstarbucks-2Dceo-2Dschultz-2Druns_2019_01_28_a06820a6-2D2363-2D11e9-2Db5b4-2D1d18dfb7b084-5Fstory.html&d=DwMGaQ&c=W8uiIUydLnv14aAum3Oieg&r=MKKK-dpeb_vrM501vNqMJ5ofyeL15QU_0ZRgrm6tLCU&m=BXcfsenzzStG3X1TPi09hhgwai9S0Hyp2sew95KVidM&s=HhdefuJb_wn0yCWpZfBZZY6qqokd71dnBGBz77ndDNo&e=) that followed Howard Schultz's recent flirtation with an independent run for the presidency repeats this terrible mistake. Many Democrats fear he will split the strong anti-Trump vote that was evident in the 2018 midterm elections (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.vox.com_2018_11_15_18078974_trump-2Dgop-2Dmidterms-2D2018-2Darizona-2Dtexas-2Dnever-2Dtrump&d=DwMGaQ&c=W8uiIUydLnv14aAum3Oieg&r=MKKK-dpeb_vrM501vNqMJ5ofyeL15QU_0ZRgrm6tLCU&m=BXcfsenzzStG3X1TPi09hhgwai9S0Hyp2sew95KVidM&s=-R4ovf-nObf4OMf0bwC7u07qwXvrCdPfIfTteNP9hJ0&e=), allowing Trump to get elected again as a minority president in 2020.