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Chris
02-05-2019, 02:40 PM
They apparently don't want the shift to the left we're seeing paraded before us in the media.

What do Democratic voters want? (https://theweek.com/articles/821598/what-democratic-voters-want)


...But is this really what Democrats want? Not the party's thousands of activists, many of whom spend their days shoving, dragging, and kicking the party to the left on Twitter. They're obviously very strongly invested in the change. I'm asking something different: Is a dramatic shift to the left what the Democratic Party's many millions of voters are calling for as we head into the 2020 presidential election?

The evidence, I'm afraid, is far more mixed than the recent trends would have you believe.

On the pro-left side of the ledger, we have plenty of polls showing very strong majority Democratic support for taxing wealth and upper incomes at higher rates, as Elizabeth Warren and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez have proposed. Plenty of other polls reveal a great deal of anxiety about the cost of health insurance and medical care more generally, including strong support for a single-payer Medicare-for-all plan. (Although it's also true that when a pollster suggests that the institution of such a system could well result in the severe disruption of the private insurance market or increase wait times for treatment, support craters.)

But then there are surveys asking Democrats if they think their party should become "more liberal" or "more moderate," as a Gallup poll from December did. Leave aside the distinctively American absurdity of labeling any move to the left as "more liberal." (This would make a communist or democratic socialist "more liberal" than ... a liberal.) The poll's findings suggest that a majority of Democrats (54 percent) favor the party becoming more moderate, with only 41 percent wanting it to move further to the left. Fifty-seven percent of Republicans, by contrast, want their party to become "more conservative," with only 37 percent preferring it to embrace increased moderation.

These results echo and reinforce those of a comprehensive Economist/YouGov poll from last June, long before the many left-leaning proposals of recent months. This poll found that just 19 percent of Democrats believe their party is "not liberal enough," with 13 percent judging it to be "too liberal" and 53 percent considering it "about right" on ideology. By comparison, 37 percent of Republicans were prepared to describe their party as "not conservative enough," with just 10 percent calling it "too conservative" and 45 percent judging it to be "about right."

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nathanbforrest45
02-05-2019, 04:51 PM
Democrat voters wants are very simple. They simply want it all given to them by everyone else.

Beevee
02-05-2019, 04:58 PM
Democrat voters wants are very simple. They simply want it all given to them by everyone else.

It's evident you worry that much since you are powerless to stop it.

Peter1469
02-05-2019, 05:12 PM
Cradle to grave government assistance.

Chris
02-05-2019, 05:27 PM
It's evident you worry that much since you are powerless to stop it.

What do you think Dem voters want? I doubt there's a right or wrong answer.

slackercruster
02-05-2019, 07:16 PM
It's evident you worry that much since you are powerless to stop it.

Yes, trends show the dems to take control of America for the foreseeable future. And it may not be now, but it will be soon.

nathanbforrest45
02-05-2019, 07:16 PM
It's evident you worry that much since you are powerless to stop it.

Is this sentence in Canadian lingo or something???

Beevee
02-05-2019, 07:25 PM
What do you think Dem voters want? I doubt there's a right or wrong answer.

Not being treated like something the cat dragged in would be a start.

donttread
02-05-2019, 07:48 PM
They apparently don't want the shift to the left we're seeing paraded before us in the media.

What do Democratic voters want? (https://theweek.com/articles/821598/what-democratic-voters-want)

Confusion in this case is good. It means there are several sets of ideas within the party. Much like the repubs had the Tea Party, Rand Paul and Trump who were not lockstep at all. Hell the the Pauls even supported ideas associated with the dems if they believe those ideas are in line with the Constitution , make logical sense and are in the people's best interest. And trump is a former dem.
However in the 2016 election cycle there were different ideas within the democratic party but they weren't recognized by the party leadership. So factions must continue to to push for change. Or at least that's how I see. Sooner or later the DNC will be forced to recognize those factions if the voters force them to.
I'm not a donkephant, although until my late 20's I was a repub. I've never been a dem and i felt at the time that Bernie had integrity rare in DC , but did not support his platform. Still i cannot believe the voters and some party leaders were not so upset at the DNC for the way they screwed Sanders and appointed Hilary that major shakeups weren't forced. Im think the party knows that they cannot get away with that again.

Captdon
02-05-2019, 07:54 PM
Confusion in this case is good. It means there are several sets of ideas within the party. Much like the repubs had the Tea Party, Rand Paul and Trump who were not lockstep at all. Hell the the Pauls even supported ideas associated with the dems if they believe those ideas are in line with the Constitution , make logical sense and are in the people's best interest. And trump is a former dem.
However in the 2016 election cycle there were different ideas within the democratic party but they weren't recognized by the party leadership. So factions must continue to to push for change. Or at least that's how I see. Sooner or later the DNC will be forced to recognize those factions if the voters force them to.
I'm not a donkephant, although until my late 20's I was a repub. I've never been a dem and i felt at the time that Bernie had integrity rare in DC , but did not support his platform. Still i cannot believe the voters and some party leaders were not so upset at the DNC for the way they screwed Sanders and appointed Hilary that major shakeups weren't forced. Im think the party knows that they cannot get away with that again.

The far left owns the Democrats. No one to the right of Sanders is going anywhere in the party. It is always the active members who control the party.

Chris
02-05-2019, 08:32 PM
Confusion in this case is good. It means there are several sets of ideas within the party. Much like the repubs had the Tea Party, Rand Paul and Trump who were not lockstep at all. Hell the the Pauls even supported ideas associated with the dems if they believe those ideas are in line with the Constitution , make logical sense and are in the people's best interest. And trump is a former dem.
However in the 2016 election cycle there were different ideas within the democratic party but they weren't recognized by the party leadership. So factions must continue to to push for change. Or at least that's how I see. Sooner or later the DNC will be forced to recognize those factions if the voters force them to.
I'm not a donkephant, although until my late 20's I was a repub. I've never been a dem and i felt at the time that Bernie had integrity rare in DC , but did not support his platform. Still i cannot believe the voters and some party leaders were not so upset at the DNC for the way they screwed Sanders and appointed Hilary that major shakeups weren't forced. Im think the party knows that they cannot get away with that again.


I think the left will win out because they make more promises that feed into American populist sentiment of late. Can they outdo Trump, don't know. But they will force liberals who often talk the ideas of socialism have to actually embrace it.

countryboy
02-05-2019, 09:02 PM
They apparently don't want the shift to the left we're seeing paraded before us in the media.

What do Democratic voters want? (https://theweek.com/articles/821598/what-democratic-voters-want)

They want your blood, and they want it right now.

Captdon
02-06-2019, 11:43 AM
I think the left will win out because they make more promises that feed into American populist sentiment of late. Can they outdo Trump, don't know. But they will force liberals who often talk the ideas of socialism have to actually embrace it.

I don't know. They have only passed the ACA in the last 20 years.. It wasn't what they thought it was going to be. The SCOTUS isn't going to give then anything.

Young people will see what will happen to their paychecks. I don't have the same view that they will be too stupid to understand. It's all theory to them now. When the cost comes out and becomes an issue,I don't think a majority want to pay high taxes. Venezuela is a real lesson.

Chris
02-06-2019, 11:46 AM
I don't know. They have only passed the ACA in the last 20 years.. It wasn't what they thought it was going to be. The SCOTUS isn't going to give then anything.

Young people will see what will happen to their paychecks. I don't have the same view that they will be too stupid to understand. It's all theory to them now. When the cost comes out and becomes an issue,I don't think a majority want to pay high taxes. Venezuela is a real lesson.

I don't think socialist promises will work in the end just that such promises appeal to populist sentiment and political moralizing.

donttread
02-06-2019, 11:54 AM
The far left owns the Democrats. No one to the right of Sanders is going anywhere in the party. It is always the active members who control the party.

Yet they cheated for Hillary ( dyed in the wall Washington Insider) against Bernie in 2016.

Tahuyaman
02-06-2019, 11:58 AM
It appears that Democrats want many of the things Trump proposes. They just want someone other than Trump to propose those things.

donttread
02-06-2019, 11:58 AM
I think the left will win out because they make more promises that feed into American populist sentiment of late. Can they outdo Trump, don't know. But they will force liberals who often talk the ideas of socialism have to actually embrace it.

Oh I doubt they'll win in 2020. The American voters are just too damned lazy to vote out a sitting president despite how bad a job they might be doing. They especially like to vote back in over spenders it seems. The last time we unelected a sitting president was George the 1st back in 92.

Chris
02-06-2019, 12:15 PM
Oh I doubt they'll win in 2020. The American voters are just too damned lazy to vote out a sitting president despite how bad a job they might be doing. They especially like to vote back in over spenders it seems. The last time we unelected a sitting president was George the 1st back in 92.

By winning out I don't mean so much winning elections but pushing the country further and further left.

slackercruster
02-06-2019, 01:27 PM
On another forum, one dem was thrilled that they will get free medicare for all, as his presidential hopeful promises.

You saw what you got from Obama when it came to socialized medicine. No doubt if the dems get back in, the healthcare fines will be back in force. And that may be the only way the reps can ever get back in control, with the promise to repeal the fines. Once the reps are back in they will cut out the fines and give the rich a big tax break.

It will be continual cycles of the dems fining people for not being able to afford unusable, crazy priced healthcare to the reps promising to repeal the fine for not having healthcare. Nothing will actually get done with giving America affordable healthcare, it will only be about fining and then repealing the fines. That is your best hope for affordable healthcare America.

The dems may also run on tearing down the wall and the reps on rebuilding the wall. America will go on like this until China or Russia can take us over and knock some sense in us. After all, many Americans have to start from the beginning..they don't even know what gender they are...and don't even accept that there is a word called gender.

And if Russia or China don't take us, Mexico is well on the way. Mexico can already control the vote in CA. With the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, they may be able to control D.C. as well.

Healthcare in the US was ruined when Obama added on preexisting conditions. That group should have paid exorbitant fees for their healthcare. Instead it was absorbed by ALL of America. As such the average American could not afford the thousands in deductibles and co- pays to pay for the people with preexisting conditions.