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pjohns
02-12-2019, 12:26 PM
Admittedly, I am growing a bit weary of the all-too-frequent speeches of President Trump--last night's speech (which seemed almost like a campaign rally) came just six days after his State of the Union address--but there is still such a thing as proper decorum. And Beto O'Rourke certainly did not display that last night.

Perhaps he was just kicking off his 2020 presidential campaign. Whatever the motive, however, it was enormously distasteful for him to hold a competing rally (just half a mile away, I believe--although the distance is hardly the point).

Probably very few--if any--Trump supporters were drawn away from the president's rally. However, that, once again, is not the point. There was a time--not so long ago--when good manners would have dictated that one should show respect for the office of the presidency, even if one were poorly inclined toward the current holder of that office; and one would, therefore, not act in a disrespectful manner thereto.

One has to wonder just what has happened, recently, to basic, good manners...

Hoosier8
02-12-2019, 12:32 PM
Complete with Mexican flag waving fans.

MisterVeritis
02-12-2019, 12:35 PM
35,000 people attended Trump's rally. 200 attended the other rally.

Max Rockatansky
02-12-2019, 12:36 PM
Admittedly, I am growing a bit weary of the all-too-frequent speeches of President Trump--last night's speech (which seemed almost like a campaign rally) came just six days after his State of the Union address--but there is still such a thing as proper decorum. And Beto O'Rourke certainly did not display that last night.

Perhaps he was just kicking off his 2020 presidential campaign. Whatever the motive, however, it was enormously distasteful for him to hold a competing rally (just half a mile away, I believe--although the distance is hardly the point).

Probably very few--if any--Trump supporters were drawn away from the president's rally. However, that, once again, is not the point. There was a time--not so long ago--when good manners would have dictated that one should show respect for the office of the presidency, even if one were poorly inclined toward the current holder of that office; and one would, therefore, not act in a disrespectful manner thereto.

One has to wonder just what has happened, recently, to basic, good manners...

Like the 2016 election, the fact so many people are running a year and a half out will just produce voter fatigue.

Green Arrow
02-12-2019, 12:48 PM
Putting aside, for the moment, the hilarity of anyone aligned with President Trump complaining about a lack of decorum...what did O’Rourke do that was so disrespectful? Was it purely the fact that he held a rally at the same time as the president?

Common
02-12-2019, 01:00 PM
The new democrats are doing anything they can to get attention, they are zooming to the left and embracing socialism in various degrees and forms believing thats the path to be President and take over the country. Maybe it is, maybe its not, we will have to wait and see.

alexa
02-12-2019, 01:05 PM
35,000 people attended Trump's rally. 200 attended the other rally.

Yes, and more people attended the cheeto's inauguration than any other inauguration.

The capacity of Trump's hall is 6500. The chief of police estimated Trump's crowd, including those outside, at 10,000.

Trump of course, lied about all of it.


The El Paso Fire Department on Monday denied that President Trump (https://thehill.com/people/donald-trump) had received special permission to fit 10,000 people into an arena for his campaign rally in the city. Enrique Aguilar, fire public information officer, told the El Paso Times (https://www.elpasotimes.com/story/news/2019/02/11/el-paso-fire-officials-say-trump-crowd-estimate-permission-not-true/2844091002/) that Trump received no special treatment and that 6,500 people attended the rally at the El Paso County Coliseum.



Aguilar added that the crowd size may have been 10,000 when considering the crowd outside the arena. But he said the fire department did not specifically track those figures.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/429583-el-paso-fire-department-says-trumps-crowd-claims-were-false

O'Rourke's crowd was estimated between 7,000 and 15,000

https://twitter.com/jeneps/status/1095161356406394880

In any event, Trump lied (again)

Eat it up with a spoon.

texan
02-12-2019, 01:12 PM
35,000 people attended Trump's rally. 200 attended the other rally.

They are trying to say now it was half his crowd. I highly doubt that one.

As far as it being "like a campaign rally". Duh that's what it is and he does them regularly.

MisterVeritis
02-12-2019, 01:15 PM
Yes, and more people attended the cheeto's inauguration than any other inauguration.

The capacity of Trump's hall is 6500. The chief of police estimated Trump's crowd, including those outside, at 10,000.

Trump of course, lied about all of it.



https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/429583-el-paso-fire-department-says-trumps-crowd-claims-were-false

O'Rourke's crowd was estimated between 7,000 and 15,000

https://twitter.com/jeneps/status/1095161356406394880

In any event, Trump lied (again)

Eat it up with a spoon.
10K inside and 25 K outside.

One cannot see any people in the other guy's video.

Green Arrow
02-12-2019, 01:22 PM
Yes, and more people attended the cheeto's inauguration than any other inauguration.

The capacity of Trump's hall is 6500. The chief of police estimated Trump's crowd, including those outside, at 10,000.

Trump of course, lied about all of it.



https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/429583-el-paso-fire-department-says-trumps-crowd-claims-were-false

O'Rourke's crowd was estimated between 7,000 and 15,000

https://twitter.com/jeneps/status/1095161356406394880

In any event, Trump lied (again)

Eat it up with a spoon.

The El Paso fire chief’s name sounds Mexican, I’m sure there’ll be a conspiracy theory about how he might be illegal and is definitely a Beto supporter.

MisterVeritis
02-12-2019, 01:25 PM
They are trying to say now it was half his crowd. I highly doubt that one.

As far as it being "like a campaign rally". Duh that's what it is and he does them regularly.
A rally is a rally. When he held one here people started showing up around four hours early.

I think he should hold one each week in different parts of the country until the wall is finished.

ripmeister
02-12-2019, 01:30 PM
35,000 people attended trump's rally. 200 attended the other rally.

lol!

MisterVeritis
02-12-2019, 01:31 PM
lol!
:-)

ripmeister
02-12-2019, 02:18 PM
Admittedly, I am growing a bit weary of the all-too-frequent speeches of President Trump--last night's speech (which seemed almost like a campaign rally) came just six days after his State of the Union address--but there is still such a thing as proper decorum. And Beto O'Rourke certainly did not display that last night.

Perhaps he was just kicking off his 2020 presidential campaign. Whatever the motive, however, it was enormously distasteful for him to hold a competing rally (just half a mile away, I believe--although the distance is hardly the point).

Probably very few--if any--Trump supporters were drawn away from the president's rally. However, that, once again, is not the point. There was a time--not so long ago--when good manners would have dictated that one should show respect for the office of the presidency, even if one were poorly inclined toward the current holder of that office; and one would, therefore, not act in a disrespectful manner thereto.

One has to wonder just what has happened, recently, to basic, good manners...
My take on this is POTUS was there as a candidate, not in his role as the occupant of the "office". That makes things fair game.

Tahuyaman
02-12-2019, 03:48 PM
35,000 people attended Trump's rally. 200 attended the other rally.

MSNBC reported the opposite.

Tahuyaman
02-12-2019, 03:54 PM
O’Rourke should throw his hat into the ring and see how he does in a National election. Of course, he’s not going to have Ted Cruz as his opposition.

Captdon
02-12-2019, 07:15 PM
I've always thought the "work" part of the Presidency was overrated. Yea, during a crisis he is in on everything. At other times i think a lot of what a President does is just crap stuff. It looks good but if your cabinet officers can't get the day to day stuff done unless they have a meeting you should fire them

The President should be out with the people.

Tahuyaman
02-13-2019, 12:21 AM
I watched O’Rourke delivering his remarks at his rally. He looked to be spastic. He’s a weird guy.

pjohns
02-13-2019, 03:24 PM
Putting aside, for the moment, the hilarity of anyone aligned with President Trump complaining about a lack of decorum...what did O’Rourke do that was so disrespectful? Was it purely the fact that he held a rally at the same time as the president?

Yes, it was precisely that.

Oh, and you are correct: Sometimes President Trump can show poor taste, and destroy long-established norms.

I truly do not like that.

But two wrongs do not make for one right.

Tahuyaman
02-13-2019, 03:43 PM
If O'Rourke could not beat one of the most beatable incumbants in the US Senate, he's not going to be elected POTUS.

ripmeister
02-13-2019, 05:00 PM
If O'Rourke could not beat one of the most beatable incumbants in the US Senate, he's not going to be elected POTUS.
I don't know that much about O'Rourke but a national election is a completely different animal from a local/state election. I was surprised O'Rourke even made it a contest considering how red Texas is. I don't remember the number but didn't Trump win big in Texas?

Max Rockatansky
02-13-2019, 05:04 PM
I don't know that much about O'Rourke but a national election is a completely different animal from a local/state election. I was surprised O'Rourke even made it a contest considering how red Texas is. I don't remember the number but didn't Trump win big in Texas?
Agreed on national elections. Trump won 52.23% to Hillary's 43.24%. Cruz won the Texas vote in the primary. What do you consider "win big"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election_in_Texas

Tahuyaman
02-13-2019, 06:02 PM
I don't know that much about O'Rourke but a national election is a completely different animal from a local/state election. I was surprised O'Rourke even made it a contest considering how red Texas is. I don't remember the number but didn't Trump win big in Texas?

O'Rourke will attract only a very small following nationally. Other than an unusual name, he has nothing new to offer. Still, I would welcome him into entering the race.

ripmeister
02-14-2019, 01:44 PM
Agreed on national elections. Trump won 52.23% to Hillary's 43.24%. Cruz won the Texas vote in the primary. What do you consider "win big"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election_in_Texas
I don't know. 10% differential?

ripmeister
02-14-2019, 01:46 PM
O'Rourke will attract only a very small following nationally. Other than an unusual name, he has nothing new to offer. Still, I would welcome him into entering the race.

Only time will tell on that. He seemed to have success in Texas to a large degree due to his charisma. I wouldn't minimize that.

Tahuyaman
02-14-2019, 02:07 PM
Only time will tell on that. He seemed to have success in Texas to a large degree due to his charisma. I wouldn't minimize that.

His charisma was mostly based on one thing. He's not Ted Cruz.

pjohns
02-14-2019, 02:14 PM
[Beto O'Rourke] seemed to have success in Texas to a large degree due to his charisma. I wouldn't minimize that.
Yes, you are certainly correct as concerning the importance of charisma--both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama proved that--but I rather doubt that O'Rourke would play well nationally.

Moreover, if Donald Trump decides to run for a second term--and that is still rather uncertain--he will probably win. This is not due principally to the policies of President Trump (although I will admit that I like the overwhelming majority of them), but because an incumbent president is very difficult to defeat; and especially one who was actually elected, as opposed to merely inheriting the office (as the late Gerald Ford did). (In fact--and I was born in 1948--the only instance of this, within my lifetime, came in 1992, when then-President George H.W. Bush lost to Bill Clinton.)

ripmeister
02-14-2019, 02:34 PM
His charisma was mostly based on one thing. He's not Ted Cruz.
That certainly could be. Which reminds me. Whats with Cruz' beard. That thing looks like a wolverine with the mange.

Tahuyaman
02-14-2019, 02:40 PM
That certainly could be. Which reminds me. Whats with Cruz' beard. That thing looks like a wolverine with the mange.
His beard doesn’t concern me in the slightest. I’m concerned with substance.

Max Rockatansky
02-14-2019, 03:24 PM
I don't know. 10% differential?
It's a WAG, but I'd agree 10% or larger is a solid win.

Jeb!
02-15-2019, 01:50 PM
Beta O'Dork underdrew Trump in a blue city with blue suburbs. Damn!