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exotix
02-15-2019, 08:51 AM
Today


‘Subvert the Constitution’: Trump’s 2014 remarks on Obama’s executive actions


https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&ei=uMJmXJOgKeyE_QbTvriIBQ&q=Mike+Pence+on+Obama+immigration+bill&btnK=Google+Search&oq=Mike+Pence+on+Obama+immigration+bill&gs_l=psy-ab.3...1913.16886..18486...0.0..0.202.2898.34j2j1. .....0....1..gws-wiz.....0..35i39j0j0i131j0i22i30j33i22i29i30.oNmoo 0dmjEY

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/02/14/donald-trump-2014-president-shouldnt-use-executive-authority/2875541002/


Trump attacked Obama for using executive powers on immigration, now plans to do the same thing

Video of Pence calling Obama executive action on immigration a 'profound mistake'


2014 video of Vice President Pence saying it would be a “profound mistake” for former President Obama to override Congress with an executive order on immigration.

“I think it would be a profound mistake for the President of the United States to overturn American immigration law with the stroke of a pen,” Pence, then governor of Indiana, said in the clip.

The 2014 video was shared on the eve of President Trump (https://thehill.com/people/donald-trump)’s anticipated declaration of a national emergency to bypass Congress and obtain funding for a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnA4ilrT9Ok




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw9V0fGE7hA

Common
02-15-2019, 08:52 AM
Osucked and Harry Reid pushed the envelope and they WERE TOLD, actions have consequences, they thought they would rule forever.

Guess what, now suck it democrats

mak2
02-15-2019, 08:53 AM
I knew Mike Pence back before the radio show when he was an attorney in Southern Indiana. I was very disappointed to see him sell out his core values to suck up to Trump. Very, very sad.

exotix
02-15-2019, 08:54 AM
Osucked and Harry Reid pushed the envelope and they WERE TOLD, actions have consequences, they thought they would rule forever.

Guess what, now suck it democratsJust stick to addressing the topic ... Banana Republicans Sieg Heiling Trumpf ... LOL

DGUtley
02-15-2019, 08:58 AM
I'm not offering an opinion, but these "experts" say it's not a constitutional issue: http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/106113-Can-Trump-legally-use-emergency-powers-to-build-a-border-wall-Experts-weigh-in

exotix
02-15-2019, 09:01 AM
I'm not offering an opinion, but these "experts" say it's not a constitutional issue: http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/106113-Can-Trump-legally-use-emergency-powers-to-build-a-border-wall-Experts-weigh-in
I wonder if Texas Land Owners are forming Militias to wage war on Trumpf if he tries to take their land (eminent domain) ... I believe that's addressed in the 2nd Amendment.

nathanbforrest45
02-15-2019, 09:03 AM
I knew Mike Pence back before the radio show when he was an attorney in Southern Indiana. I was very disappointed to see him sell out his core values to suck up to Trump. Very, very sad.

Invited to his house were you?

DGUtley
02-15-2019, 09:19 AM
I wonder if Texas Land Owners are forming Militias to wage war on Trumpf if he tries to take their land (eminent domain) ... I believe that's addressed in the 2nd Amendment.

I don't know how that comment is relevant to this discussion. The Fifth Amendment restricts the power of the federal government to take private land for public use -- b/c it requires just compensation. This is known as the "Takings Clause", since you brought it up. This is not a 2nd Amendment issue. I'm actually disappointed that you conflated the two. You've shown better previously.

exotix
02-15-2019, 09:23 AM
I don't know how that comment is relevant to this discussion. The Fifth Amendment restricts the power of the federal government to take private land for public use -- b/c it requires just compensation. This is known as the "Takings Clause", since you brought it up. This is not a 2nd Amendment issue. I'm actually disappointed that you conflated the two. You've shown better previously.I addressed your Thread ... the last time Emergency Powers were used to usurp Americans ... their land and their industries and livelihoods was Truman ... but that was during War for the War Effort ...

It failed.




http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/106113-Can-Trump-legally-use-emergency-powers-to-build-a-border-wall-Experts-weigh-in


https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1550240666/1_tsofch.png

mak2
02-15-2019, 09:26 AM
A wall would have to cross private land.
I don't know how that comment is relevant to this discussion. The Fifth Amendment restricts the power of the federal government to take private land for public use -- b/c it requires just compensation. This is known as the "Takings Clause", since you brought it up. This is not a 2nd Amendment issue. I'm actually disappointed that you conflated the two. You've shown better previously.

DGUtley
02-15-2019, 09:36 AM
I addressed your Thread ... the last time Emergency Powers were used to usurp Americans ... their land and their industries and livelihoods was Truman ... but that was during War for the War Effort … It failed. http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/106113-Can-Trump-legally-use-emergency-powers-to-build-a-border-wall-Experts-weigh-in
https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1550240666/1_tsofch.png

A wall would have to cross private land.
Both of you are accurate on your points. I didn't see the 2nd Amendment connection. Again, I truly haven't analyzed it legally. I'm against it (as I said in another thread) b/c of the precedent and b/c I think you don't take power for yourself that you aren't willing to give to your mortal enemy. I also don't see the Eminent Domain connection to the OP but maybe I missed it.

exotix
02-15-2019, 09:42 AM
Both of you are accurate on your points. I didn't see the 2nd Amendment connection. Again, I truly haven't analyzed it legally. I'm against it (as I said in another thread) b/c of the precedent and b/c I think you don't take power for yourself that you aren't willing to give to your mortal enemy. I also don't see the Eminent Domain connection to the OP but maybe I missed it.Educate yourself on the origin(s) of the drafting of the 2nd Amendment ... it only exists today under the powerful notion of when the govt. becomes tyrannical ...


As we are now see'ng under Trumpf and his GOP stooges.

DGUtley
02-15-2019, 10:26 AM
Educate yourself on the origin(s) of the drafting of the 2nd Amendment ... it only exists today under the powerful notion of when the govt. becomes tyrannical … As we are now see'ng under Trumpf and his GOP stooges.

Isn't it funny -- we agree that the 2nd was designed to give us the ability to defend ourselves against a tyrannical government. How is trump becoming Tyrannical?

mak2
02-15-2019, 10:27 AM
Taking people's property?
Isn't it funny -- we agree that the 2nd was designed to give us the ability to defend ourselves against a tyrannical government. How is trump becoming Tyrannical?

exotix
02-15-2019, 10:30 AM
Isn't it funny -- we agree that the 2nd was designed to give us the ability to defend ourselves against a tyrannical government. How is trump becoming Tyrannical?Really ?


Mexico isn't paying for the Wall (now an impeachable offense) ... you are ... and at the cost of a Govt Shutdown on a lie to a million American Federal Workers ...


... and during Christmas for chris'sakes.



https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1550244848/11YkoybPEouyaY_mufsiv.gif

DGUtley
02-15-2019, 10:36 AM
Taking people's property?
I am against the use of eminent domain generally; unfortunately, it is perfectly legal and non-tyrannical.

Really ? Mexico isn't paying for the Wall (now an impeachable offense) ... you are ... and at the cost of a Govt Shutdown on a lie to a million American Federal Workers … ... and during Christmas for chris'sakes.

Note: Photo removed.

While I said I was against it, it doesn't make it tyrannical.

alexa
02-15-2019, 10:37 AM
It's such an emergency he's going golfing right after.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/02/14/donald-trump-to-announce-state-of-emergency-before-weekend-trip-to-florida/

exotix
02-15-2019, 10:42 AM
Happening Now



... Lie after Lie after Lie ... after twisted delusions ...


https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1550245308/100_3751_xcvete.jpg

exotix
02-15-2019, 10:43 AM
I am against the use of eminent domain generally; unfortunately, it is perfectly legal and non-tyrannical.


Note: Photo removed.

While I said I was against it, it doesn't make it tyrannical.Really ?


Go back and see what Trumpf and the GOP said and did to Obama on the same immigration issue.

mak2
02-15-2019, 10:45 AM
That was then.
Really ?


Go back and see what Trumpf and the GOP said and did to Obama on the same immigration issue.

exotix
02-15-2019, 10:51 AM
Wow .. this guy is one insane sick fuck ... sad ...



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alexa
02-15-2019, 10:53 AM
If Obama had done the same thing for the same reason, the cons heads would explode.

Well done, thou good and faithful servants.

MisterVeritis
02-15-2019, 10:55 AM
A wall would have to cross private land.
The land will no longer be private.

exotix
02-15-2019, 10:56 AM
Okay, Trumpf repeating over and over Death to Drug Dealers like China does ... because that's what the Chinese President told 'em ... jus'damn ... LOL

alexa
02-15-2019, 10:56 AM
The court cases should be resolved in time for Michelle's inauguration.

MisterVeritis
02-15-2019, 10:57 AM
Taking people's property?
The Constitution covers taking private property for public good.

MisterVeritis
02-15-2019, 10:58 AM
Really ?


Go back and see what Trumpf and the GOP said and did to Obama on the same immigration issue.
Did President Obama use a public law to build his wall?

MisterVeritis
02-15-2019, 10:59 AM
the court cases should be resolved in time for michelle's inauguration.
lol. Do you think he is going to run?

mak2
02-15-2019, 11:00 AM
Duh.
The land will no longer be private.

exotix
02-15-2019, 11:02 AM
How does this audience sit there and listen to this babbling idiot ... LOL

MisterVeritis
02-15-2019, 11:18 AM
The land will no longer be private.

Duh.
I thought a friend should be the one to tell you.

MisterVeritis
02-15-2019, 11:20 AM
How does this audience sit there and listen to this babbling idiot ... LOL
While I wish President Trump was an orator I am delighted that he takes the right actions more often than not. The ability to speak the right words about his actions takes second place to the actions themselves.

exotix
02-15-2019, 11:21 AM
While I wish President Trump was an orator I am delighted that he takes the right actions more often than not. The ability to speak the right words about his actions takes second place to the actions themselves.These aren't even lies anymore ... this guy enjoys hallucinating on his own delusions ... jus'damn ...

MisterVeritis
02-15-2019, 11:37 AM
These aren't even lies anymore ... this guy enjoys hallucinating on his own delusions ... jus'damn ...
I always enjoy your stream of consciousness postings. They help me to remember that not everyone thinks the same as I do.

Of course, you should.

CaveDog
02-15-2019, 12:17 PM
There’s a difference. Obama used executive power to try an end run on immigration law. Trump is proposing to use it to enforce immigration law, which is the president’s job.

exotix
02-15-2019, 12:27 PM
There’s a difference. Obama used executive power to try an end run on immigration law. Trump is proposing to use it to enforce immigration law, which is the president’s job.Notice how it was different when Obama was President ... LOL





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Jg_JnXOzIw

alexa
02-15-2019, 12:28 PM
lol. Do you think he is going to run?
I think her campaign will be concurrent with the completion of the wall, so obviously, no.

MisterVeritis
02-15-2019, 12:29 PM
Notice how it was different when Obama was President ... LOL

Yes. Obama made laws. Trump enforces laws.

alexa
02-15-2019, 12:29 PM
There’s a difference. Obama used executive power to try an end run on immigration law. Trump is proposing to use it to enforce immigration law, which is the president’s job.
Keep telling yourself that.

I'm sure it's very comforting even if it's not reality based.

MisterVeritis
02-15-2019, 12:31 PM
I think her campaign will be concurrent with the completion of the wall, so obviously, no.
Completing the wall will take time. But eight billion here, eight billion there and pretty soon we will have a real border.

I don't know if Mooch will run. Of course, everyone else is. So why shouldn't he run too? He will be our first transgender first lady, then presidential candidate.

MisterVeritis
02-15-2019, 12:32 PM
Keep telling yourself that.

I'm sure it's very comforting even if it's not reality based.
If only you were smarter...

alexa
02-15-2019, 12:32 PM
If only you were smarter...
If only I needed to be...

MisterVeritis
02-15-2019, 12:34 PM
If only you were smarter...

If only I needed to be...
In a way, I am glad you are not. If you were you might find yourself on the right side of most issues. That would be boring.

exotix
02-15-2019, 01:11 PM
Did President Obama use a public law to build his wall?LOL



https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1550254231/100_3753_wotcsr.jpg

alexa
02-15-2019, 01:14 PM
He isn't even bothering to lie about it any more.


In the Rose Garden, Trump at long last issued the national emergency declaration he has been threatening for more than a month. In the process, he basically admitted he doesn’t even really see the situation at the border as an emergency.
The key quote came when the Q&A portion started. Trump was challenged by NBC’s Peter Alexander on why he couldn’t bend Congress to his will — as he previously said a president should be able to do (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/02/15/trumps-national-emergency-is-exactly-kind-thing-he-used-call-failure-leadership/) — rather than take unilateral action.
“I didn’t need to do this,” Trump said. "But I’d rather do it much faster."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/02/15/i-didnt-need-do-this-trump-just-kneecapped-his-own-case-national-emergency/?utm_term=.dabc998a6c04

alexa
02-15-2019, 01:15 PM
LOL



https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1550254231/100_3753_wotcsr.jpg

The cons feel differently about it when the president is one of the mud people.

exotix
02-15-2019, 01:22 PM
The cons feel differently about it when the president is one of the mud people.LOL ... notice how its all ... especially this deranged speech of delusions ...


*its the Obama stupid*

MisterVeritis
02-15-2019, 01:25 PM
LOL


Why do you laugh? President Obama created laws. President Trump is defending the nation.

alexa
02-15-2019, 01:26 PM
Why do you laugh? President Obama created laws. President Trump is defending the nation.
He's laughing because you actually believe that.

At least, I am.

MisterVeritis
02-15-2019, 01:27 PM
The cons feel differently about it when the president is one of the mud people.
Now you do know better than exo. Why encourage him? You know President Obama, essentially wrote immigration laws. President Trump is defending the nation.

I believe you are dishonest.

MisterVeritis
02-15-2019, 01:28 PM
Why do you laugh? President Obama created laws. President Trump is defending the nation.

He's laughing because you actually believe that.
At least, I am.
You are entitled to your opinion but not to your own facts.

exotix
02-15-2019, 01:35 PM
He's laughing because you actually believe that.

At least, I am.


Why do you laugh? President Obama created laws. President Trump is defending the nation.

You are entitled to your opinion but not to your own facts.LOL


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MisterVeritis
02-15-2019, 01:39 PM
LOL

Sometimes I believe you are insane. You wander when you don't need to.

exotix
02-15-2019, 01:42 PM
Sometimes I believe you are insane. You wander when you don't need to.Yes ?

Notice how and why you believe you're sane.



http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/89754-Why-Should-the-Clintons-Remain-Free?highlight=execute+hillary



Why Should the Clintons Remain Free?


FBI uncovered Russian bribery plot before Obama administration approved controversial nuclear deal with Moscow


In my opinion, we should find a way to execute both Clintons.


We should jail Holder for life along with Obama.

MisterVeritis
02-15-2019, 01:57 PM
Sometimes I believe you are insane. You wander when you don't need to.

Yes ?

You wandered again.

Notice how and why you believe you're sane.

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/89754-Why-Should-the-Clintons-Remain-Free?highlight=execute+hillary
What do you disagree with?

exotix
02-15-2019, 02:08 PM
Sometimes I believe you are insane. You wander when you don't need to.


You wandered again.

What do you disagree with?Your sanity ... *snicker*

MisterVeritis
02-15-2019, 02:11 PM
Why Should the Clintons Remain Free?"FBI uncovered Russian bribery plot before the Obama administration approved a controversial nuclear deal with Moscow"In my opinion, we should find a way to execute both Clintons. We should jail Holder for life along with Obama.


What do you disagree with?

Your sanity ... *snicker*
Oh, good. Then you do agree with me we should find a way to execute both Clintons? Excellent.

exotix
02-15-2019, 02:28 PM
While I wish President Trump was an orator I am delighted that he takes the right actions more often than not.


The ability to speak the right words about his actions takes second place to the actions themselves.https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1535681245/Icons/_0_drivedevil.gif




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MisterVeritis
02-15-2019, 02:31 PM
https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1535681245/Icons/_0_drivedevil.gif

I do laugh at all of your nonsense. Thanks.

exotix
02-15-2019, 02:36 PM
I do laugh at all of your nonsense. Thanks.https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1535681245/Icons/_0_drivedevil.gif






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MisterVeritis
02-15-2019, 02:49 PM
https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1535681245/Icons/_0_drivedevil.gif

I do like Ann Counter.

Again, you are insanely wandering. You began with a claim that President Trump was subverting the Constitution. Will you ever return to the subject of your thread?

Hoosier8
02-15-2019, 02:57 PM
Today


‘Subvert the Constitution’: Trump’s 2014 remarks on Obama’s executive actions


https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&ei=uMJmXJOgKeyE_QbTvriIBQ&q=Mike+Pence+on+Obama+immigration+bill&btnK=Google+Search&oq=Mike+Pence+on+Obama+immigration+bill&gs_l=psy-ab.3...1913.16886..18486...0.0..0.202.2898.34j2j1. .....0....1..gws-wiz.....0..35i39j0j0i131j0i22i30j33i22i29i30.oNmoo 0dmjEY

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/02/14/donald-trump-2014-president-shouldnt-use-executive-authority/2875541002/


Trump attacked Obama for using executive powers on immigration, now plans to do the same thing

Video of Pence calling Obama executive action on immigration a 'profound mistake'


2014 video of Vice President Pence saying it would be a “profound mistake” for former President Obama to override Congress with an executive order on immigration.

“I think it would be a profound mistake for the President of the United States to overturn American immigration law with the stroke of a pen,” Pence, then governor of Indiana, said in the clip.

The 2014 video was shared on the eve of President Trump (https://thehill.com/people/donald-trump)’s anticipated declaration of a national emergency to bypass Congress and obtain funding for a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnA4ilrT9Ok




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw9V0fGE7hA

Let me guess. You think DACA and Operation Choke-Point were constitutional but the statutory authority given by Congress to protect our borders isn't.

exotix
02-15-2019, 02:59 PM
I do like Ann Counter.

Again, you are insanely wandering. You began with a claim that President Trump was subverting the Constitution. Will you ever return to the subject of your thread?This thread addresses another incoherent Trumpf speech that was nothing more than another Trumpf Rally for Zero-I.Q. Trumpf voters ... just like the Coultergeist said ... LOL



Ann Coulter Fires Back at Trump: ‘The Only National Emergency Is that Our President Is an Idiot’

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ann-coulter-fires-back-at-trump-the-only-national-emergency-is-that-our-president-is-an-idiot


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CaveDog
02-15-2019, 07:03 PM
Keep telling yourself that.
I'm sure it's very comforting even if it's not reality based.
Obama used an executive order to try and shield millions of people from deportation who were here illegally. I don't know what "illegally" means in your reality but in mine it means "against the law". The supreme court agreed that it was against the law and blocked him. That's reality.

Every day thousands of people cross our border illegally. The law says they have to get visas. They ignore our laws. Their first act upon entering our country is to break the law. That's reality.

NGOs are organizing caravans of thousands of people in hopes of overwhelming our border patrol and immigration system in order to defy our laws. That's an organized assault on our borders and our laws. That's reality. If that's not a national emergency then I don't know what is.

The "executive" branch is called that because its job is to execute the law. The head of the executive branch is the president. Donald Trump IS the president, like it or not. It's his job to enforce the law. He is exercising his authority to enforce it. That's his job. That's reality. The left can scream at the sky all they like. It will still be reality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZevd-i4LAM

exotix
02-15-2019, 07:18 PM
Let me guess. You think DACA and Operation Choke-Point were constitutional but the statutory authority given by Congress to protect our borders isn't.Trumpf shutdown the govt. destroying a million American livelihoods and costing America $11 Billion in lost commerce and is now declaring a National Emergency .. all by himself. (Unilateral Decision)

What does Congress have to do with it ... except for the other *all by himself* Trumpf bootlicker Mitch McConnell ?

Peter1469
02-15-2019, 08:07 PM
The Obama EOs did not rely on existing statute. Trump's declaration of a national emergency does.

Hoosier8
02-15-2019, 08:43 PM
Trumpf shutdown the govt. destroying a million American livelihoods and costing America $11 Billion in lost commerce and is now declaring a National Emergency .. all by himself. (Unilateral Decision)
Of course he requested 5.7 billion to help save Americans from the 40 billion a year cost in taking care of illegal migrants but then, that is not a concern for the hysterical democrats.
What does Congress have to do with it ... except for the other *all by himself* Trumpf bootlicker Mitch McConnell ?

Dr. Who
02-15-2019, 09:51 PM
Just curious, but why not ask Mexico to allow US military to join Mexican border patrol on Mexico's southern border which is far smaller and easier to defend than the thousands of miles spanning the US/Mexico border? Then no caravans would be marching into Mexico and thus not into the US. It's not like Mexico wants or needs thousands of Central and South American refugees either.

Peter1469
02-16-2019, 05:00 AM
Just curious, but why not ask Mexico to allow US military to join Mexican border patrol on Mexico's southern border which is far smaller and easier to defend than the thousands of miles spanning the US/Mexico border? Then no caravans would be marching into Mexico and thus not into the US. It's not like Mexico wants or needs thousands of Central and South American refugees either.
Good idea.