Marco Rubio Venezuela soldiers commiting crime against humanity by blocking aid

[Just AnotherPerson]

LoL we are trying to act like we care about crimes aganst humanity. We will use any lie to get what we want. We didnt give a damn about Yemen where millions were on the brink of death and hundreds of thousands died. We helped Saudi Arabia bomb the hell out of those starving children. Now we are going to say we have humanitarian concerns for another nation that we are in the process of overthrowing. Please.

See more at this link https://www.foxnews.com/politics/marco-rubio-venezuelan-soldiers-would-be-committing-crime-against-humanity

Excerpt:

During a visit to the Colombian border city of Cucuta, Sen. Marco Rubio warned Venezuelan (https://www.foxnews.com/world/venezuela-halts-20-ton-shipment-of-gold-to-mystery-destination) soldiers that they would commit a "crime against humanity" if they blocked the entry of U.S. aid being channeled through rivals of disputed socialist President Nicolás Maduro.

The Florida Republican made a stop in Cucuta on Sunday, where U.S. aid (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-special-envoy-for-venezuela-clashes-with-rep-omar) packages were being stockpiled for distribution by opposition leader Juan Guaido, who is recognized by the U.S. and dozens of other countries as Venezuela's legitimate president.

Maduro has been using troops to block aid from entering, saying it's unnecessary and part of coup to overthrow him.

[RadioGod]

Tulsi said it best, we need to stop our interventionist regime change wars. Period. If Venezuela didn't have oil, we would have no concern for their government. And, the only reason that Venezuela is in the crisis they are is because the US made it happen purposefully. We need to stop lying and manipulating other nations to get what our corporate overlords tell us we need. Too bad we don't invade some 3rd world country rich in solar panels and wind generators.

[Peter1469]

Tulsi said it best, we need to stop our interventionist regime change wars. Period. If Venezuela didn't have oil, we would have no concern for their government. And, the only reason that Venezuela is in the crisis they are is because the US made it happen purposefully. We need to stop lying and manipulating other nations to get what our corporate overlords tell us we need. Too bad we don't invade some 3rd world country rich in solar panels and wind generators.
We don't need their oil. We frack.

The only think Venezuela is good for is to highlight the failure of socialism.

Renewable energy sources are local. They are not strategic resources. That should help you understand the role oil has played on the world stage in the last 100 or so years.

[Tahuyaman]

Tulsi said it best, we need to stop our interventionist regime change wars. Period. If Venezuela didn't have oil, we would have no concern for their government. And, the only reason that Venezuela is in the crisis they are is because the US made it happen purposefully. We need to stop lying and manipulating other nations to get what our corporate overlords tell us we need. Too bad we don't invade some 3rd world country rich in solar panels and wind generators.

You are trying to blame American interventionism for a problem in another nation which has been destroyed by their own doing.


The US did not make this happen. It happened because extreme left wing dictators robbed the country of its wealth.


But, the blame America first crowd will do what they do.

[RadioGod]

We don't need their oil. We frack.

The only think Venezuela is good for is to highlight the failure of socialism.

Renewable energy sources are local. They are not strategic resources. That should help you understand the role oil has played on the world stage in the last 100 or so years.

Fracking does not put gas in our cars. And the reason we want control of their oil is simply because corporations want it. Since the US military is nothing more than hired guns for corporate goals, and their wants become our official government policies, we will make it happen for them. This is our foreign policy in a nutshell.
Also, it still is not clear about oil being renewable. I don't think it is easily renewable.
And energy not being strategic? LOL. That statement takes the cake.
Let me try to clarify our nations policy briefly. We started producing more natural gas with expanded subsidized fracking. We want to export it to Europe. Europe already has pipelines coming out of Russia and the Middle East. Since those pipelines are close to Europe, and we have to use ocean tankers, our gas is more expensive, and less desirable to the EU countries.
In this situation, there are only a few things that can be done to control Russian and Middle Eastern gas and oil.
1.) We can make ours cheaper. Not going to happen, since the objective is to sell it for everything we can get for it.
2.) If we cut, or at least control the flow of gas and oil in their pipelines, we can manipulate pricing so that our own oil and gas is competitive. This is where we have seen strategic spots go into chaos lately, like Syria and the Ukraine. Even Turkey, our longtime friend and ally, is on the table here.
3.) Stop other countries from producing oil and gas altogether, and if they do produce it, we get to sell it. We can put lots of pressure on their countries through sanctions, supporting insider rebellions, propaganda networks and disinformation campaigns, assassinations, homegrown terrorism, and corruption and bribery. The effect of this type of campaign is to totally trash a country's economy and standard of living to the point that the people themselves are begging for change in the streets. Rest assured, whatever government Venezuela had, socialist or not, it could not have withstood our underhanded efforts for long.
The last point to keep in mind here is when I say "we", what I really mean is our biggest corporations telling our government what our foreign policies should be. Our military has long ago stopped being a force for right in the world, and are nothing more than corporate mercenaries now.

[RadioGod]

You are trying to blame American interventionism for a problem in another nation which has been destroyed by their own doing.


The US did not make this happen. It happened because extreme left wing dictators robbed the country of its wealth.


But, the blame America first crowd will do what they do.

You are a liar. And you know it. Venezuela is not being undone on their own because they are "socialists". They have been in a decades-long struggle to maintain themselves against our shifting policies and desire for their oil. With Russia and especially China investing more into Venezuela recently, the risk of Venezuelan oil competing with oil we control has become higher. This cannot be tolerated. Especially under Trump. And with Trump supporting a corrupt CIA- approved president of Venezuela, he has created a second government for legitimate contention. Bring on the civil war. People will die, billions will be spent by several governments, and the only winners will be the companies with oil contracts and mining contracts. Again, we will foot the bill for our overlords. In money and in blood.

[Tahuyaman]

Venezuela has been destroyed their own doing. Period.

[Tahuyaman]

Fracking does not put gas in our cars...

It does send crude oil to the refineries which turn that crude oil into diesel fuel and gasoline. So yes, it does put gasoline in our cars.

[Peter1469]

Fracking does not put gas in our cars. And the reason we want control of their oil is simply because corporations want it. Since the US military is nothing more than hired guns for corporate goals, and their wants become our official government policies, we will make it happen for them. This is our foreign policy in a nutshell.
Also, it still is not clear about oil being renewable. I don't think it is easily renewable.
And energy not being strategic? LOL. That statement takes the cake.
Let me try to clarify our nations policy briefly. We started producing more natural gas with expanded subsidized fracking. We want to export it to Europe. Europe already has pipelines coming out of Russia and the Middle East. Since those pipelines are close to Europe, and we have to use ocean tankers, our gas is more expensive, and less desirable to the EU countries.
In this situation, there are only a few things that can be done to control Russian and Middle Eastern gas and oil.
1.) We can make ours cheaper. Not going to happen, since the objective is to sell it for everything we can get for it.
2.) If we cut, or at least control the flow of gas and oil in their pipelines, we can manipulate pricing so that our own oil and gas is competitive. This is where we have seen strategic spots go into chaos lately, like Syria and the Ukraine. Even Turkey, our longtime friend and ally, is on the table here.
3.) Stop other countries from producing oil and gas altogether, and if they do produce it, we get to sell it. We can put lots of pressure on their countries through sanctions, supporting insider rebellions, propaganda networks and disinformation campaigns, assassinations, homegrown terrorism, and corruption and bribery. The effect of this type of campaign is to totally trash a country's economy and standard of living to the point that the people themselves are begging for change in the streets. Rest assured, whatever government Venezuela had, socialist or not, it could not have withstood our underhanded efforts for long.
The last point to keep in mind here is when I say "we", what I really mean is our biggest corporations telling our government what our foreign policies should be. Our military has long ago stopped being a force for right in the world, and are nothing more than corporate mercenaries now.
Yes renewable fuel sources are local, not strategic resources. I posted a cool article on it a while back.

[donttread]

LoL we are trying to act like we care about crimes aganst humanity. We will use any lie to get what we want. We didnt give a damn about Yemen where millions were on the brink of death and hundreds of thousands died. We helped Saudi Arabia bomb the hell out of those starving children. Now we are going to say we have humanitarian concerns for another nation that we are in the process of overthrowing. Please.

See more at this link https://www.foxnews.com/politics/marco-rubio-venezuelan-soldiers-would-be-committing-crime-against-humanity

Excerpt:

During a visit to the Colombian border city of Cucuta, Sen. Marco Rubio warned Venezuelan (https://www.foxnews.com/world/venezuela-halts-20-ton-shipment-of-gold-to-mystery-destination) soldiers that they would commit a "crime against humanity" if they blocked the entry of U.S. aid being channeled through rivals of disputed socialist President Nicolás Maduro.

The Florida Republican made a stop in Cucuta on Sunday, where U.S. aid (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-special-envoy-for-venezuela-clashes-with-rep-omar) packages were being stockpiled for distribution by opposition leader Juan Guaido, who is recognized by the U.S. and dozens of other countries as Venezuela's legitimate president.

Maduro has been using troops to block aid from entering, saying it's unnecessary and part of coup to overthrow him.


No, no , no. a despicable socialist regime blocking food and medicine from getting to the people is TOTALLY different than American sanctions and blockaides which ultimately only deny food and medicine to the people. ) Not Yemen, but other places)
See the non-difference?

[RadioGod]

It does send crude oil to the refineries which turn that crude oil into diesel fuel and gasoline. So yes, it does put gasoline in our cars.

Fracking is mostly used for natural gas. Methane. It is used on some oil deposits to loosen them and make oil extractable, but it is used mostly for gas.

[Tahuyaman]

Fracking is mostly used for natural gas. Methane. It is used on some oil deposits to loosen them and make oil extractable, but it is used mostly for gas.


You need to become informed.

[RadioGod]

To all those who would lay a claim that what we are seeing in Venezuela is just the inevitable collapse of socialism, I have a counter argument for your consideration.
Imagine you are living in your home. You have your own ideas and practices about caring and providing for your family. You have an established method for providing food, heat, lights, medical care, and anything you and your family might need to be comfortable, healthy, and happy.
Then one day, some of your neighbors decide they want to control your home. They want you to paint it a certain way, do your lawn a certain way, raise your family in a certain way. And they want to tell you what kind of a job you can and cannot have. What kind of religion you need to have. What kind of schools are acceptable. This is similar to an HOA, but far more invasive.
So, naturally, you tell them all to go to hell.
Then, they start isolating you. They block off your road access. When you try to leave your home to go to work, or the store, they confront you with threats and guns. They even threaten some neighbors you were friendly with, saying if they help you, it will be really bad for them. They block off your mail, so you can't even shop online for things you and your family need.
After a short time of being isolated like this, you and your family are starting to go hungry. Bills are going unpaid and debt is piling up. Maybe even 1 or 2 neighbors try to help you in secret, but there is only so much they can do without confronting the mean neighbors directly.
Then, to top it off, after going without for so long, even your own kids start begging you to just do what the neighbors tell you, anything to just make this mess end. They start talking about kicking you out and putting the drunk Uncle in charge of your household.
Is this something that can accurately be called a failure of your household policies? Did you go into extreme debt and poverty because of your management insufficiencies? No. Everything you did for your family and household was perfectly fine until some bad neighbors got together and orchestrated your downfall on purpose.
Calling Venezuela an example of a failed socialist state is a lie. The only thing they did wrong was not let US mining and oil interests corrupt and ruin their country. For that, they were sanctioned, isolated, and cut off from the vast majority of the world's financial and trade markets. And now the drunk Uncle is being propped up as a presidential surrogate.
If we were to start openly involving ourselves, our wealth, our resources, our labor, and the lives of our military service members, towards the goal of global regime changes, then I would propose that we make a list of the worst human rights offenders in the world, then start with number 1. That would be Saudi Arabia. Not Venezuela, which would probably rank around #50. And the USA would be cutting it close with Israel for the #2 spot.

[Peter1469]

Venezuela's oil industry fell apart when it nationalized foreign oil companies in the country and chased the talent away.

[RadioGod]

Venezuela's oil industry fell apart when it nationalized foreign oil companies in the country and chased the talent away.

The people of Venezuela have every expectation to own the rights to their own resources. Just as we do ours. Nationalization of their oil wasn't the problem. The problem was that they took back their resources, out of the hands of powerful corporations. Those corporations also establish our foreign policies. They are interwoven in our government at every level. Pissing them off is, in fact, pissing off the US government.
If it were me, I would have started thinking about the repercussions from day one. How will our people eat, work, get resources, and sell things? With obvious sanctions in the future, do we transition our economy away from relying on foreign trade, and just work on developing our economy internally for the things we need to prosper?
The only real mistake that the government of Venezuela made is that they just plowed ahead with international oil trade, even though they knew that would be cut off with sanctions. Oh, and repaying their national debt should have been a priority, since all refinancing would be halted too under the sanctions.

[Peter1469]

The people of Venezuela have every expectation to own the rights to their own resources. Just as we do ours. Nationalization of their oil wasn't the problem. The problem was that they took back their resources, out of the hands of powerful corporations. Those corporations also establish our foreign policies. They are interwoven in our government at every level. Pissing them off is, in fact, pissing off the US government.
If it were me, I would have started thinking about the repercussions from day one. How will our people eat, work, get resources, and sell things? With obvious sanctions in the future, do we transition our economy away from relying on foreign trade, and just work on developing our economy internally for the things we need to prosper?
The only real mistake that the government of Venezuela made is that they just plowed ahead with international oil trade, even though they knew that would be cut off with sanctions. Oh, and repaying their national debt should have been a priority, since all refinancing would be halted too under the sanctions.

Incorrect. When the foreign oil companies fled, the oil infrastructure began to fail for lack of maintenance and upgrades.

[donttread]

To all those who would lay a claim that what we are seeing in Venezuela is just the inevitable collapse of socialism, I have a counter argument for your consideration.
Imagine you are living in your home. You have your own ideas and practices about caring and providing for your family. You have an established method for providing food, heat, lights, medical care, and anything you and your family might need to be comfortable, healthy, and happy.
Then one day, some of your neighbors decide they want to control your home. They want you to paint it a certain way, do your lawn a certain way, raise your family in a certain way. And they want to tell you what kind of a job you can and cannot have. What kind of religion you need to have. What kind of schools are acceptable. This is similar to an HOA, but far more invasive.
So, naturally, you tell them all to go to hell.
Then, they start isolating you. They block off your road access. When you try to leave your home to go to work, or the store, they confront you with threats and guns. They even threaten some neighbors you were friendly with, saying if they help you, it will be really bad for them. They block off your mail, so you can't even shop online for things you and your family need.
After a short time of being isolated like this, you and your family are starting to go hungry. Bills are going unpaid and debt is piling up. Maybe even 1 or 2 neighbors try to help you in secret, but there is only so much they can do without confronting the mean neighbors directly.
Then, to top it off, after going without for so long, even your own kids start begging you to just do what the neighbors tell you, anything to just make this mess end. They start talking about kicking you out and putting the drunk Uncle in charge of your household.
Is this something that can accurately be called a failure of your household policies? Did you go into extreme debt and poverty because of your management insufficiencies? No. Everything you did for your family and household was perfectly fine until some bad neighbors got together and orchestrated your downfall on purpose.
Calling Venezuela an example of a failed socialist state is a lie. The only thing they did wrong was not let US mining and oil interests corrupt and ruin their country. For that, they were sanctioned, isolated, and cut off from the vast majority of the world's financial and trade markets. And now the drunk Uncle is being propped up as a presidential surrogate.
If we were to start openly involving ourselves, our wealth, our resources, our labor, and the lives of our military service members, towards the goal of global regime changes, then I would propose that we make a list of the worst human rights offenders in the world, then start with number 1. That would be Saudi Arabia. Not Venezuela, which would probably rank around #50. And the USA would be cutting it close with Israel for the #2 spot.

1) One of the things I laugh at is people who remember the "cold war": a period in time where Russia's actions or fear of their actions dictated so much of what we did ( from nuclear proliferation, to having kids dive under wooden desk in air raid drills, to whom we elected ) then claiming that socialism can not work over time economically. But the nation we feared for 40 years was socialist. LOL

2) I am a capitalist. Real price competition driven capitalism which is not what the megacorps do today and pass off as capitalism. However, believing in capitalism does not give me the strange desire to call all other systems complete failures all the time.

3) Almost all countries are managed by hybrid systems. We are no exception. And one of the pieces of the hybrid is whatever you call megacorps who buy influence and manipulate markets rather than compete within them .

4) In short, terms meant to describe economic systems have been turned into weapons in the divisive war against common sense , compromise and the Constitution.

[RadioGod]

Incorrect. When the foreign oil companies fled, the oil infrastructure began to fail for lack of maintenance and upgrades.
Because They couldn't order parts? Because of sanctions?

[Peter1469]

Because They couldn't order parts? Because of sanctions?
Because they lacked the skills. If they knew what they were doing they could have maintained and improved the rigs.

[Captdon]

Fracking does not put gas in our cars. And the reason we want control of their oil is simply because corporations want it. Since the US military is nothing more than hired guns for corporate goals, and their wants become our official government policies, we will make it happen for them. This is our foreign policy in a nutshell.
Also, it still is not clear about oil being renewable. I don't think it is easily renewable.
And energy not being strategic? LOL. That statement takes the cake.
Let me try to clarify our nations policy briefly. We started producing more natural gas with expanded subsidized fracking. We want to export it to Europe. Europe already has pipelines coming out of Russia and the Middle East. Since those pipelines are close to Europe, and we have to use ocean tankers, our gas is more expensive, and less desirable to the EU countries.
In this situation, there are only a few things that can be done to control Russian and Middle Eastern gas and oil.
1.) We can make ours cheaper. Not going to happen, since the objective is to sell it for everything we can get for it.
2.) If we cut, or at least control the flow of gas and oil in their pipelines, we can manipulate pricing so that our own oil and gas is competitive. This is where we have seen strategic spots go into chaos lately, like Syria and the Ukraine. Even Turkey, our longtime friend and ally, is on the table here.
3.) Stop other countries from producing oil and gas altogether, and if they do produce it, we get to sell it. We can put lots of pressure on their countries through sanctions, supporting insider rebellions, propaganda networks and disinformation campaigns, assassinations, homegrown terrorism, and corruption and bribery. The effect of this type of campaign is to totally trash a country's economy and standard of living to the point that the people themselves are begging for change in the streets. Rest assured, whatever government Venezuela had, socialist or not, it could not have withstood our underhanded efforts for long.
The last point to keep in mind here is when I say "we", what I really mean is our biggest corporations telling our government what our foreign policies should be. Our military has long ago stopped being a force for right in the world, and are nothing more than corporate mercenaries now.

I bet it took two trips to pick this much garbage up.

[Captdon]

Yes renewable fuel sources are local, not strategic resources. I posted a cool article on it a while back.

I'm trying to figure out why he doesn't know oil is not renewable.

[Captdon]

The people of Venezuela have every expectation to own the rights to their own resources. Just as we do ours. Nationalization of their oil wasn't the problem. The problem was that they took back their resources, out of the hands of powerful corporations. Those corporations also establish our foreign policies. They are interwoven in our government at every level. Pissing them off is, in fact, pissing off the US government.
If it were me, I would have started thinking about the repercussions from day one. How will our people eat, work, get resources, and sell things? With obvious sanctions in the future, do we transition our economy away from relying on foreign trade, and just work on developing our economy internally for the things we need to prosper?
The only real mistake that the government of Venezuela made is that they just plowed ahead with international oil trade, even though they knew that would be cut off with sanctions. Oh, and repaying their national debt should have been a priority, since all refinancing would be halted too under the sanctions.

And keeping aid from their people is the answer to all their problems? Brazil might get tired of all the refugees and go in and kill the bastard.

[Captdon]

Because They couldn't order parts? Because of sanctions?

It certainly wasn't sanctions. They didn't start until January of this year. The people there have been starving longer than that. Kind of blows your argument all to Hell.

[Tahuyaman]

Incorrect. When the foreign oil companies fled, the oil infrastructure began to fail for lack of maintenance and upgrades.

In time you will discover it's not productive to provide certain people with the facts. Their mind is already made up.

[Tahuyaman]

Because They couldn't order parts? Because of sanctions?

No. It was because they forced the experts out of the country. There was no one left qualified to operate and maintain the infrastructure.

They effed themselves.

[donttread]

Yes renewable fuel sources are local, not strategic resources. I posted a cool article on it a while back.

And therein lies the problem. Globalism, megacorps and even centrally intrusive government need to attach an umbilical cord

[Ethereal]

Marco Rubio, a Saudi Arabian toady, cares about alleged crimes against humanity... boy, that's rich.

[Common]

Marco Rubio, a Saudi Arabian toady, cares about alleged crimes against humanity... boy, that's rich.
Where did you get that Marco Rubio is a saudi arabia toady. Oh and btw hes a genX

[roadmaster]

If you know History that group we are supporting was crucifying people over 20 years ago. They elected a communist I understand that but the group we are supporting is just as bad. So you have to look into the real motive as to why we want a new leader. It's not hard to figure out and they have every right to think we are promoting a coo to overtake the government.

[Captdon]

Where did you get that Marco Rubio is a saudi arabia toady. Oh and btw hes a genX

Everyone here is except him, JAP and Radio God. They have "the truth."

[Captdon]

If you know History that group we are supporting was crucifying people over 20 years ago. They elected a communist I understand that but the group we are supporting is just as bad. So you have to look into the real motive as to why we want a new leader. It's not hard to figure out and they have every right to think we are promoting a coo to overtake the government.

You mean overthrow. We want Maduro out as does most of the world. SWe want a new leader to save the people there. We aren't going in and take him out so it can't be for anything we have to gain. If it did, he'd be gone already.

[Ethereal]

Where did you get that Marco Rubio is a saudi arabia toady.

Marco Rubio reiterates support for U.S. action in Yemen (http://floridapolitics.com/archives/282143-rubio-support-action-yemen)

Although I'm sure it's possible that Rubio's support for the illegal and immoral war in Yemen could be the result of his subservience to Israel.


Oh and btw hes a genX

That's nice.

[RadioGod]

Because they lacked the skills. If they knew what they were doing they could have maintained and improved the rigs.
Is this your real opinion? I'm not trying to be rude, but I find it difficult to believe that a grown man with decent intelligence(yes, you), can be naive about what big businesses do when they wage war with each other, or with a population they wish to exploit.
I would imagine that all sorts of limitations were placed on the Venezuelans. Imports crushed. Sabotage. Bank financing pulled. Educated people paid off to work elsewhere. I'm not even scratching the surface here.

[RadioGod]

I bet it took two trips to pick this much garbage up.

But only 1 post to bring the garbage out. Thanks for your input.

[RadioGod]

And keeping aid from their people is the answer to all their problems? Brazil might get tired of all the refugees and go in and kill the $#@!.
I do not find it hard to believe you believe that nonsense. Look, when we offer aid, it comes with lots of strings attached. Whether it's agencies like FEMA or NGO's, they are pre-loaded with CIA and all kinds of other covert agents looking for sneaky covers to infiltrate other countries and work for regime change behind the scenes. Venezuelans are smart to tell us no thanks.
Apparently, they are much smarter than you.

[RadioGod]

It certainly wasn't sanctions. They didn't start until January of this year. The people there have been starving longer than that. Kind of blows your argument all to Hell.

Oil and Banking companies have been dissing them for a really long time. And at the same time, attacking and eroding their infrastructure. This is no accident, Venezuela regime change has been in the works for a long time. Look at Hugo Chavez and Bush.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOsABwCrn3E&t=45s