The Coming Civil War

[Max Rockatansky]

A Coast Guard LT was recently arrested for minor crimes even though the term "domestic terrorism" was tossed about. Among his lunatic writings was the oft used comment of Alt-Right nutjobs: the "coming Civil War". Coast Guard LT or not, this guy was both ignorant and an idiot. He had fantasies and very little grip on reality. LW anti-gunners express shock that he had "so many" guns, but both my friends and I have much more than he had...and we're not planning to fight a civil war. Just collectors and sport shooters.


Despite the delusions of those who are planning for the "civil war", after observing them, I have little doubt I know a lot more about guerrilla warfare and small unit tactics than all of them put together. They have a fantasy of a great uprising and quick takedown of both the US Federal government and the Constitution, but they haven't a clue that their fantasies would both fail and meet opposition from Americans loyal to the Constitution.

[Common]

Its just a nutcase there is no evidence it was a group thing, domestic terrorism isnt anything new, just the reasons change

[Mister D]

The US military struggled to contain an insurgency in Iraq. I think you are far too sanguine about the prospects for the present order should an insurgency gain significant support. I agree that a handful of toothless kooks will get no where fast but I seriously doubt the ability of the US state to adequately contain let alone crush a rebellion that the combat arms of its own military may sympathize with.

[Max Rockatansky]

Its just a nutcase there is no evidence it was a group thing, domestic terrorism isnt anything new, just the reasons change
Are you denying there aren't like minded people out there? Are you denying people on this forum have voiced exactly the same ideology?

Did you serve, Common? For a career? More than 4 years? Just curious. My family is a military family. Grandfather served in WWI. Father served an entire career with two tours in Vietnam, brother 3 tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, myself a full 20+ year career with 3.5 deployments. It's been my family profession to study the arts of war. In my case, exactly what I mentioned previously: small unit tactics and guerrilla warfare.

@Common (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=2649), are you trolling or do you have a comment about those who claim a "civil war" is coming?

[Max Rockatansky]

The US military struggled to contain an insurgency in Iraq. I think you are far too sanguine about the prospects for the present order should an insurgency gain significant support. I agree that a handful of toothless kooks will get no where fast but I seriously doubt the ability of the US state to adequately contain let alone crush a rebellion that the combat arms of its own military may sympathize with.
You are dancing around several issues. You mention some truths, but also make some assumptions.

Make a stand, @Mister D (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=4),
1) do you believe a civil war will happen in our lifetimes, say the next 10 years or less?
2) where would you stand in such a war?

[Common]

Are you denying there aren't like minded people out there? Are you denying people on this forum have voiced exactly the same ideology?

Did you serve, Common? For a career? More than 4 years? Just curious. My family is a military family. Grandfather served in WWI. Father served an entire career with two tours in Vietnam, brother 3 tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, myself a full 20+ year career with 3.5 deployments. It's been my family profession to study the arts of war. In my case, exactly what I mentioned previously: small unit tactics and guerrilla warfare.




@Common (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=2649), are you trolling or do you have a comment about those who claim a "civil war" is coming?



Im going to repeat what i posted for you, the Coast Card Lt is one PERSON there is no evidence he was part of a group or a civil army.
I stand by my opinion that there will be no civil war and that domestic terrorism isnt NEW weve had individuals do it in the past. A simple google will bring up several examples of domestic terrorism

Dont accuse me of trolling max when I clearly answered your question reasonably, if you prefer my not responding to your threads and posts just ask.

[hanger4]

Are you denying there aren't like minded people out there? Are you denying people on this forum have voiced exactly the same ideology? Did you serve, Common? For a career? More than 4 years? Just curious. My family is a military family. Grandfather served in WWI. Father served an entire career with two tours in Vietnam, brother 3 tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, myself a full 20+ year career with 3.5 deployments. It's been my family profession to study the arts of war. In my case, exactly what I mentioned previously: small unit tactics and guerrilla warfare. @Common (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=2649), are you trolling or do you have a comment about those who claim a "civil war" is coming?QED brain dead

[Max Rockatansky]

Im going to repeat what i posted for you, the Coast Card Lt is one PERSON there is no evidence he was part of a group or a civil army.
I stand by my opinion that there will be no civil war and that domestic terrorism isnt NEW weve had individuals do it in the past. A simple google will bring up several examples of domestic terrorism

Dont accuse me of trolling max when I clearly answered your question reasonably, if you prefer my not responding to your threads and posts just ask.Repeat all you like. Are you denying several members of the Alt Right and this forum have forecast a civil war? Please answer both directly and honestly.

Thank you for your opinion there won't be a civil war. I agree.

[Mister D]

You are dancing around several issues. You mention some truths, but also make some assumptions. Make a stand, @Mister D (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=4), 1) do you believe a civil war will happen in our lifetimes, say the next 10 years or less? 2) where would you stand in such a war?
What do you mean by a civil war? What exactly are we talking about? Something instigated by an organization along the lines of the IRA? AQ in Iraq? ISIS? What exactly? That's almost certainly how any "civil war" will begin. Like I said, I think you are far too sanguine about the prospects for the current order. Now as for if and when this will happen I have no idea. That it could happen and it could not be contained is, I believe, a much more plausible scenario than you're willing to admit. This isn't the America my father was born into. There is very little we actually share today that isn't consumer driven. This isn't your best bet for future stability.

Where would I stand? Depends. If you're asking if I have loyalty to a piece paper and an idea (i.e. the "propositional nation") then the answer is no.

[MisterVeritis]

A Coast Guard LT was recently arrested for minor crimes even though the term "domestic terrorism" was tossed about. Among his lunatic writings was the oft used comment of Alt-Right nutjobs: the "coming Civil War". Coast Guard LT or not, this guy was both ignorant and an idiot. He had fantasies and very little grip on reality. LW anti-gunners express shock that he had "so many" guns, but both my friends and I have much more than he had...and we're not planning to fight a civil war. Just collectors and sport shooters.


Despite the delusions of those who are planning for the "civil war", after observing them, I have little doubt I know a lot more about guerrilla warfare and small unit tactics than all of them put together. They have a fantasy of a great uprising and quick takedown of both the US Federal government and the Constitution, but they haven't a clue that their fantasies would both fail and meet opposition from Americans loyal to the Constitution.
What does alt-right mean to you?
What does civil war mean to you?
How do you believe a civil war might begin? What would it look like to a casual observer? What would it look like to you?
Why do you believe a civil war would not include groups of citizens who are loyal to the Constitution?
In your opinion where does the government stand?

[Max Rockatansky]

What do you mean by a civil war? What exactly are we talking about? Something instigated by an organization along the lines of the IRA? AQ in Iraq? ISIS? What exactly? That's almost certainly how any "civil war" will begin. Like I said, I think you are far too sanguine about the prospects for the current order. Now as for if and when this will happen I have no idea. That it could happen and it could not be contained is, I believe, a much more plausible scenario than you're willing to admit. This isn't the America my father was born into. There is very little we actually share today that isn't consumer driven. This isn't your best bet for future stability.

Where would I stand? Depends. If you're asking if I have loyalty to a piece paper and an idea (i.e. the "propositional nation") then the answer is no.
Ask your bunk buddy @MisterVeritis (http://thepoliticalforums.com/members/1287-MisterVeritis), he's the one always bringing it up. You have danced around it yourself so to see you suddenly backpedal is funny. Wassamatter? Afraid the FBI will come a knockin'?

If you don't believe there will be a civil war, fine. Just say so....then let's move onto something fun: small unit tactics and guerilla warfare. How much do you know about it?

[MisterVeritis]

Im going to repeat what i posted for you, the Coast Card Lt is one PERSON there is no evidence he was part of a group or a civil army.
I stand by my opinion that there will be no civil war and that domestic terrorism isnt NEW weve had individuals do it in the past. A simple google will bring up several examples of domestic terrorism

Dont accuse me of trolling max when I clearly answered your question reasonably, if you prefer my not responding to your threads and posts just ask.
Given the demise of the Tenth Amendment and loss of the Constitution, how can a civil war not occur? Do we simply become serfs? Slaves? Do you believe everyone will remain passive as their lives and opportunity are destroyed?

[MisterVeritis]

Ask your bunk buddy @MisterVeritis (http://thepoliticalforums.com/members/1287-MisterVeritis), ...
Once again your latent homosexuality comes to the fore.

[Max Rockatansky]

What does alt-right mean to you?
What does civil war mean to you?

How do you believe a civil war might begin? What would it look like to a casual observer? What would it look like to you?

Why do you believe a civil war would not include groups of citizens who are loyal to the Constitution?
In your opinion where does the government stand?
Neo-Nazi asshole.

When a large portion of a population erupts into violent warfare with itself.

It takes a lot, a lot more than exists now. In the case of the American Civil War let's not forget that the South seceded. It was the North that attacked the South; meaning the Federal government attacked its own people. This is a lot different than what happened in Russia or Spain. The conditions of which do not exist in the US today. Ergo; people who claim a civil war is coming are fucking morons.

A civil war would include people who support the US Constitution and I'd be among them.

[Max Rockatansky]

Given the demise of the Tenth Amendment and loss of the Constitution, how can a civil war not occur? Do we simply become serfs? Slaves? Do you believe everyone will remain passive as their lives and opportunity are destroyed?
QED Common. Com'mon, can't you admit it?

[Mister D]

Ask your bunk buddy @MisterVeritis (http://thepoliticalforums.com/members/1287-MisterVeritis), he's the one always bringing it up. You have danced around it yourself so to see you suddenly backpedal is funny. Wassamatter? Afraid the FBI will come a knockin'?

If you don't believe there will be a civil war, fine. Just say so....then let's move onto something fun: small unit tactics and guerilla warfare. How much do you know about it?
lol

Max, you really don't like getting actual answers to your questions, do you? I will make note.

[MisterVeritis]

What does alt-right mean to you?


Neo-Nazi asshole.
The national socialists were socialists. Leftists.
If that is what you mean we agree. The so-called alt right are really leftists. I believe you would be comfortable among them.

[Common]

QED @Common (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=2649). Com'mon, can't you admit it?

Last time max, In my opinion there will be no civil war in america

[Max Rockatansky]

Once again your latent homosexuality comes to the fore.
LOL You're so lame it's actually very sad. You claim a civil war is coming and all you are doing is planning on being a REMF. Sad.

No doubt you know very little about small unit tactics, leadership and guerrilla warfare. You're just an armchair warrior dreaming of glory.

[Max Rockatansky]

Last time max, In my opinion there will be no civil war in americaThank you, sir. I agree 100%

[donttread]

A Coast Guard LT was recently arrested for minor crimes even though the term "domestic terrorism" was tossed about. Among his lunatic writings was the oft used comment of Alt-Right nutjobs: the "coming Civil War". Coast Guard LT or not, this guy was both ignorant and an idiot. He had fantasies and very little grip on reality. LW anti-gunners express shock that he had "so many" guns, but both my friends and I have much more than he had...and we're not planning to fight a civil war. Just collectors and sport shooters.


Despite the delusions of those who are planning for the "civil war", after observing them, I have little doubt I know a lot more about guerrilla warfare and small unit tactics than all of them put together. They have a fantasy of a great uprising and quick takedown of both the US Federal government and the Constitution, but they haven't a clue that their fantasies would both fail and meet opposition from Americans loyal to the Constitution.


Hummm. Interesting POV. I always thought that if we ever had a civil war the uprising would consist of people trying to reinstate the badly abused Constitution. If anyone opposes it all they need do is keep voting donkephant , if they are willing to wait a while.

[MisterVeritis]

What does civil war mean to you?


...
When a large portion of a population erupts into violent warfare with itself.
We disagree. Most civil wars begin with small numbers who believe they are powerless or losing power. They see legitimate avenues for gaining power are being closed to them. It is just beyond the point when it becomes obvious that civil wars are most likely to begin.

How do you believe a civil war might begin? What would it look like to a casual observer? What would it look like to you?

It takes a lot, a lot more than exists now.
Maybe it takes a lot. Maybe not.

Examine today's situation. We have one party, the Democrat party, waging all out war on white men. If it looks as if the idiot Democrats will win expect a war to begin.


In the case of the American Civil War let's not forget that the South seceded. It was the North that attacked the South; meaning the Federal government attacked its own people. This is a lot different than what happened in Russia or Spain. The conditions of which do not exist in the US today. Ergo; people who claim a civil war is coming are fucking morons.
Although we call the First American Civil War a civil war it wasn't. It was a war between two nations. Real civil wars are not like our Civil War.

A civil war would include people who support the US Constitution and I'd be among them.
I believe you would be on the wrong side.

[Max Rockatansky]

lol

Max, you really don't like getting actual answers to your questions, do you? I will make note.Sure I do, Mister D. Your bunk buddy, you know, the guy who "likes" you all the time, appreciates your snark but I don't appreciate your dodging. You two belong together....and both of you would quickly disappear into history in the event of a civil war.

[MisterVeritis]

LOL You're so lame it's actually very sad. You claim a civil war is coming and all you are doing is planning on being a REMF. Sad.
I hope to miss it entirely. There are always plenty of trigger pullers. Finding thinkers is more of a problem. I am a thinker.

No doubt you know very little about small unit tactics, leadership and guerrilla warfare. You're just an armchair warrior dreaming of glory.
Fascinating. Small unit tactics will not be important until very late in the civil war. When the need arises there will be plenty of people who know enough about small unit tactics. As far as small wars go I have years of "book knowledge." Over a five year period, I think I studied about a hundred insurgencies, rebellions, revolutions and civil wars.

You have a small mind. You play small ball.

[Max Rockatansky]

What does civil war mean to you?


We disagree. Most civil wars begin with small numbers who believe they are powerless or losing power. They see legitimate avenues for gaining power are being closed to them. It is just beyond the point when it becomes obvious that civil wars are most likely to begin.

How do you believe a civil war might begin? What would it look like to a casual observer? What would it look like to you?

Maybe it takes a lot. Maybe not.

Examine today's situation. We have one party, the Democrat party, waging all out war on white men. If it looks as if the idiot Democrats will win expect a war to begin.


Although we call the First American Civil War a civil war it wasn't. It was a war between two nations. Real civil wars are not like our Civil War.

I believe you would be on the wrong side.
Awesome. All this means is I'm right: You're a REMF. An "idea man" who has no fucking clue what it means to conduct an actual civil war nor a guerilla war. You are fucking clueless on leadership, tactics and what it actually takes to wage war on an opponent. Face it, kid. You're a paper tiger.

[MisterVeritis]

Awesome. All this means is I'm right: You're a REMF. An "idea man" who has no fucking clue what it means to conduct an actual civil war nor a guerilla war. You are fucking clueless on leadership, tactics and what it actually takes to wage war on an opponent. Face it, kid. You're a paper tiger.
It appears you know you lost the argument. Thanks for playing.

I knew it would turn out this way.

[Mister D]

Sure I do, Mister D. Your bunk buddy, you know, the guy who "likes" you all the time, appreciates your snark but I don't appreciate your dodging. You two belong together....and both of you would quickly disappear into history in the event of a civil war.
It really does appear that you often revert to homosexual innuendo. Max, it's weird.

[MisterVeritis]

It really does appear that you often revert to homosexual innuendo. Max, it's weird.
It is queer, isn't it?

[Orion Rules]

[...]
What does civil war mean to you?
How do you believe a civil war might begin? What would it look like to a casual observer? What would it look like to you?
Why do you believe a civil war would not include groups of citizens who are loyal to the Constitution?
In your opinion where does the government stand?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIXc8yQ2m84

[Mister D]

What does civil war mean to you?


We disagree. Most civil wars begin with small numbers who believe they are powerless or losing power. They see legitimate avenues for gaining power are being closed to them. It is just beyond the point when it becomes obvious that civil wars are most likely to begin.

How do you believe a civil war might begin? What would it look like to a casual observer? What would it look like to you?

Maybe it takes a lot. Maybe not.

Examine today's situation. We have one party, the Democrat party, waging all out war on white men. If it looks as if the idiot Democrats will win expect a war to begin.


Although we call the First American Civil War a civil war it wasn't. It was a war between two nations. Real civil wars are not like our Civil War.

I believe you would be on the wrong side.
Agreed on the bold. Max imagines armies moving around on maps or commandos in the woods instead of car bombs, assassinations and terrorism.

[Mister D]

It is $#@!, isn't it?

Cigar used to do that too.

[Max Rockatansky]

I hope to miss it entirely. There are always plenty of trigger pullers. Finding thinkers is more of a problem. I am a thinker.....
BWA-HA-HA-HA-HAAAAAA! I fucking knew it! You're a REMF, a self-styled "jenius" like Trump! Dude, you'd be among the first ones "to die for freedom" with a bullet in the back of the head by your own guys. LOL

http://oi64.tinypic.com/9jg2h0.jpg

[Max Rockatansky]

Cigar used to do that too.
Good quote, think about it:

Associate with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for it is better to be alone than in bad company.
--George Washington

[Max Rockatansky]

It really does appear that you often revert to homosexual innuendo. Max, it's weird.
You think being called a faggot, a queer or a spineless cocksucker is weird? Interesting.

[Mister D]

You think being called a $#@!, a $#@! or a spineless $#@!sucker is weird? Interesting.
Um...

[Max Rockatansky]

It appears you know you lost the argument. Thanks for playing.

I knew it would turn out this way.Dude, remember how you like saying "You'll never see it coming"? You're right. You'll never see it coming. It won't be me, it'll be those you trust.

[Max Rockatansky]

Um...Not my fault if you have "unnatural" attractions to MV. I'm libertarian that way, do what you want, just don't do it on my lawn or make me pay for it.

BTW, notice how your "like" buddy never talks about tactics? He admitted he's an "idea" man and has no interest in actual warfare. Are you the same? Fucking clueless about war, how to conduct war or how to lead men?

[Mister D]

Not my fault if you have "unnatural" attractions to MV. I'm libertarian that way, do what you want, just don't do it on my lawn or make me pay for it.
You've really turned the tables on me!

:roflmao:

[Max Rockatansky]

You've really turned the tables on me!

:roflmao:LOL Again, nothing about tactics, leadership or how the "civil war" will be won. Sad

[hanger4]

You think being called a faggot, a queer or a spineless cocksucker is weird? Interesting.There's something wrong with you.

[Mister D]

LOL Again, nothing about tactics, leadership or how the "civil war" will be won. Sad

It's clear you don't really want responses, Max. It's also clear you don't really understand the topic. What's next? Some more homosexual innuendo? Go get 'em Max...

[Max Rockatansky]

There's something wrong with you.
Correct: I'm not a fucked up wannabe like you. Good luck with your sorry life, kid.

[Max Rockatansky]

It's clear you don't really want responses, Max. It's also clear you don't really understand the topic. What's next? Some more homosexual innuendo? Go get 'em Max...
Says the person who has no frickin' clue about strategy, tactics or leadership. Dude, all you've done on this thread is attack me. You haven't been on topic once. Why is that? Is it because you are clueless? Because you have no knowledge of the topic? Here's a question: If you were to name one book on guerrilla warfare for those seeking civil war, what book would that be? Seriously? Do you even have a clue?

[hanger4]

Correct: I'm not a fucked up wannabe like you. Good luck with your sorry life, kid.Aaaaah how cute, an internet braggart. :sofa:

[Mister D]

Says the person who has no frickin' clue about strategy, tactics or leadership. Dude, all you've done on this thread is attack me. You haven't been on topic once. Why is that? Is it because you are clueless? Because you have no knowledge of the topic? Here's a question: If you were to name one book on guerrilla warfare for those seeking civil war, what book would that be? Seriously? Do you even have a clue?
All I've done is attack you? I've never been on topic? You're irrational, Max. Will you be here tomorrow telling us about how you were assaulted by masked men in MAGA hats? ROFL!

[Max Rockatansky]

Aaaaah how cute, an internet braggart. :sofa:
So, like the other couch potatoes you also haven't served, haven't a clue about civil war but just like saying there'll be one?

[MisterVeritis]

It appears you know you lost the argument. Thanks for playing.

I knew it would turn out this way.

Dude, remember how you like saying "You'll never see it coming"? You're right. You'll never see it coming. It won't be me, it'll be those you trust.
I never doubted you would fail. It is what you are trained to do.

[Max Rockatansky]

All I've done is attack you? I've never been on topic? You're irrational, Max. Will you be here tomorrow telling us about how you were assaulted by masked men in MAGA hats? ROFL!Are you claiming you've been on topic? At least once? Please quote the post where you were on topic at least once. All you did was waffle then support your "buddy" who does support civil war. Why the cowardice, D? Haven't you the courage of your convictions?

[MisterVeritis]

You think being called a faggot, a queer or a spineless cocksucker is weird? Interesting.
No doubt it is normal for you to be identified this way (appropriately).

[Max Rockatansky]

I never doubted you would fail. It is what you are trained to do.
I'd say "see you on the field", but you'll never be on the field, will you REMF?

Face it, REMF, even your friends admit there won't be a civil war. You're just spinning your wheels.

[Mister D]

Are you claiming you've been on topic? At least once? Please quote the post where you were on topic at least once. All you did was waffle then support your "buddy" who does support civil war. Why the cowardice, D? Haven't you the courage of your convictions?

I'm sorry you didn't like my response. Shrug.

[hanger4]

So, like the other couch potatoes you also haven't served, haven't a clue about civil war but just like saying there'll be one?I haven't said one way or the other Max, you really need to stop making things up

[MisterVeritis]

Not my fault if you have "unnatural" attractions to MV. I'm libertarian that way, do what you want, just don't do it on my lawn or make me pay for it.

BTW, notice how your "like" buddy never talks about tactics? He admitted he's an "idea" man and has no interest in actual warfare. Are you the same? Fucking clueless about war, how to conduct war or how to lead men?
Tactics won't be relevant until the civil war begins. Tactics will change rapidly as they must.

[MisterVeritis]

So, like the other couch potatoes you also haven't served, haven't a clue about civil war but just like saying there'll be one?
How many civil wars have you fought, Max?

[Max Rockatansky]

I haven't said one way or the other Max, you really need to stop making things up
LOL. Limp, lame and wimpy as usual. Not a surprise. What would be a surprise is if you were on topic and had some insights on guerrilla warfare tactics or what you would be doing in a civil war...besides cowering behind women.

[MisterVeritis]

So, like the other couch potatoes you also haven't served, haven't a clue about civil war but just like saying there'll be one?
I served for twenty years, Max. How is that relevant?

[Mister D]

When will he realize that "guerrilla warfare" isn't the topic?

[MisterVeritis]

I'd say "see you on the field", but you'll never be on the field, will you REMF?

Face it, REMF, even your friends admit there won't be a civil war. You're just spinning your wheels.
I do not mind being alone for a while. I do not need the support of others. I know I am right.

[hanger4]

I'd say "see you on the field", but you'll never be on the field, will you REMF?Face it, REMF, even your friends admit there won't be a civil war. You're just spinning your wheels.Alrightynow, we have an internet tough guy lift off.

[Max Rockatansky]

I served for twenty years, Max. How is that relevant?
No doubt. Drugs? Rape? B&E? Certainly not anything honorable. Your actions and words speak loudly.

[Max Rockatansky]

Alrightynow, we have an internet tough guy lift off.You are the expert. Go for it.

Seriously: Don't you have any military advice? Do you not have anything to add to the topic? Are you really just a lame-ass internet troll chickenhawk who has nothing intelligent to add to any threads? Please tell me now before I write you off forever as just a fucking clueless dipshit. Last chance.

[hanger4]

LOL. Limp, lame and wimpy as usual. Not a surprise. What would be a surprise is if you were on topic and had some insights on guerrilla warfare tactics or what you would be doing in a civil war...besides cowering behind women.You make things up and call me limp, lame and wimpy. Limp, lame and wimpy is making things up.

[donttread]

Stop it with the foreplay guys. Good grief?!

[MisterVeritis]

Correct: I'm not a fucked up wannabe like you. Good luck with your sorry life, kid.
In all seriousness, there is something wrong with you Max. I hope you will seek professional help.

[Max Rockatansky]

I do not mind being alone for a while. I do not need the support of others. I know I am right.Dude, I think you are dangerous and will plan on doing something stupid. I've warned the owners of this forum about you and have been ignored. Their choice.

[Max Rockatansky]

In all seriousness, there is something wrong with you Max. I hope you will seek professional help.
Let's make a deal. I'll get help. Will you? Do you even think you need help?

[MisterVeritis]

I served for twenty years, Max. How is that relevant?

No doubt. Drugs? Rape? B&E? Certainly not anything honorable. Your actions and words speak loudly.
There is something wrong with you.

[MisterVeritis]

You are the expert. Go for it.

Seriously: Don't you have any military advice? Do you not have anything to add to the topic? Are you really just a lame-ass internet troll chickenhawk who has nothing intelligent to add to any threads? Please tell me now before I write you off forever as just a fucking clueless dipshit. Last chance.
There is something seriously wrong with you.

[Max Rockatansky]

There is something seriously wrong with you.
Let's call the #FBI. Let's talk about #terrorism. Are you fine with being investigated? I am. https://www.fbi.gov/

https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us

[hanger4]

You are the expert. Go for it. Seriously: Don't you have any military advice? Do you not have anything to add to the topic? Are you really just a lame-ass internet troll chickenhawk who has nothing intelligent to add to any threads? Please tell me now before I write you off forever as just a fucking clueless dipshit. Last chance.Ooooooooo, write me off Max ?? What does that mean Bob ??

[MisterVeritis]

Dude, I think you are dangerous and will plan on doing something stupid. I've warned the owners of this forum about you and have been ignored. Their choice.
Why would I plan on doing anything stupid? I am amused. I spent 20 years of my life figuring out what an enemy could do, when, where, and with what strength, organization, logistical support and even tactics. It comes naturally to me. Why would I stop because it will be Americans fighting Americans and both fighting the un-Americans?

You lack ability. You do not think straight. You do not reason well. You have been poisoned by your latent homosexuality. Do some self-searching.

[MisterVeritis]

Let's make a deal. I'll get help. Will you? Do you even think you need help?
Others come to me for help.

[Max Rockatansky]

Why would I plan on doing anything stupid? I am amused. I spent 20 years of my life figuring out what an enemy could do, when, where and with what strength, organization, logistical support and even tactics. It comes naturally to me. Why would I stop because it will be Americans fighting Americans and bot fighting the un-Americans?
You lack ability. You do not think straight. You do not reason well. You have been poisoned by your latent homosexuality. Do some self-searching.

Honest people have nothing to worry about. So don't worry.


Others come to me for help.Wow, that's some ego you have there. Reminds me of Chris.

[MisterVeritis]

Let's call the #FBI. Let's talk about #terrorism. Are you fine with being investigated? I am. https://www.fbi.gov/

https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us
I am never fine with anything the federal government does. My file is very thick. I held a compartmented top secret clearance for fifteen years. I was thoroughly investigated with updates every five years.

[MisterVeritis]

Honest people have nothing to worry about. So don't worry.
If you were smarter you would know your statement is false.
Others come to me for help.


Wow, that's some ego you have there. Reminds me of Chris.
Of course. Mine is a true statement.

[MisterVeritis]

Max, you utterly failed.

Civil war. LOL.

[Captdon]

A Coast Guard LT was recently arrested for minor crimes even though the term "domestic terrorism" was tossed about. Among his lunatic writings was the oft used comment of Alt-Right nutjobs: the "coming Civil War". Coast Guard LT or not, this guy was both ignorant and an idiot. He had fantasies and very little grip on reality. LW anti-gunners express shock that he had "so many" guns, but both my friends and I have much more than he had...and we're not planning to fight a civil war. Just collectors and sport shooters.


Despite the delusions of those who are planning for the "civil war", after observing them, I have little doubt I know a lot more about guerrilla warfare and small unit tactics than all of them put together. They have a fantasy of a great uprising and quick takedown of both the US Federal government and the Constitution, but they haven't a clue that their fantasies would both fail and meet opposition from Americans loyal to the Constitution.

Why do you think a Civil War here would happen the way you think? Who wants to take down the Constitution? What could the Federal government do if an electric grid is taken out. What could they do if a bridge goes down? What would they do if a section of interstate is ripped up?

You know what you know but you don't have a clue what a civil was would look like here. It wouldn't be two standing armies fighting. It would be like the Taliban. They are beating us in Afghanistan, aren't they? It would be assassinating people. You would be useless in that kind of war. You have decided you know how it would be fought and you would be lost when it hap[pens differently.

The majority doesn't have to support it. The majority didn't support the Revolutionary War either. The majority wouldn't do anything because the majority wouldn't care. You need to learn what Americans really are.

[Captdon]

Are you denying there aren't like minded people out there? Are you denying people on this forum have voiced exactly the same ideology?

Did you serve, Common? For a career? More than 4 years? Just curious. My family is a military family. Grandfather served in WWI. Father served an entire career with two tours in Vietnam, brother 3 tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, myself a full 20+ year career with 3.5 deployments. It's been my family profession to study the arts of war. In my case, exactly what I mentioned previously: small unit tactics and guerrilla warfare.

@Common (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=2649), are you trolling or do you have a comment about those who claim a "civil war" is coming?


I'm denying that you have a possible war here understood. You don't. All your experience would be as useful as the experts in the Pentagon about Iraq and Afghanistan. They were wrong about Korea and Vietnam too.

[Captdon]

You are dancing around several issues. You mention some truths, but also make some assumptions.

Make a stand, @Mister D (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=4),
1) do you believe a civil war will happen in our lifetimes, say the next 10 years or less?
2) where would you stand in such a war?

He did respond to your expert musing. He doesn't have to have an opinion or tell you what it is. Try not to derail your own threads as you so often do.

[Captdon]

Repeat all you like. Are you denying several members of the Alt Right and this forum have forecast a civil war? Please answer both directly and honestly.

Thank you for your opinion there won't be a civil war. I agree.

Some things are too absurd to respond to. We know who does what here. We pay attention. You don't set the rules here.

[Captdon]

Ask your bunk buddy @MisterVeritis (http://thepoliticalforums.com/members/1287-MisterVeritis), he's the one always bringing it up. You have danced around it yourself so to see you suddenly backpedal is funny. Wassamatter? Afraid the FBI will come a knockin'?

If you don't believe there will be a civil war, fine. Just say so....then let's move onto something fun: small unit tactics and guerilla warfare. How much do you know about it?

What good is that doing in Afghanistan? If you were the great expert you would know that plans last one minute is actual warfare.We have several people here who know more than you do about warfare.

[Captdon]

Neo-Nazi $#@!.

When a large portion of a population erupts into violent warfare with itself.

It takes a lot, a lot more than exists now. In the case of the American Civil War let's not forget that the South seceded. It was the North that attacked the South; meaning the Federal government attacked its own people. This is a lot different than what happened in Russia or Spain. The conditions of which do not exist in the US today. Ergo; people who claim a civil war is coming are $#@!ing morons.

A civil war would include people who support the US Constitution and I'd be among them.

The United States meant to recover US property. The South fired on Ft. Sumter and attacked the US Army at Bull Run. If this is your expertise you better keep out of it.

[Max Rockatansky]

I am never fine with anything the federal government does. My file is very thick.....No doubt you are completely harmless. Just a REMF like I said.

Can we now get back to the topic of civil war, tactics and leadership? Things you've acknowledged having no interest or expertise?

[Captdon]

So, like the other couch potatoes you also haven't served, haven't a clue about civil war but just like saying there'll be one?

You serving is a good thing. That doesn't mean you know anything about small unit tactics. Cooks usually don't.

[jimmyz]

Asking an American citizen to fire upon his neighbor is a daunting task. IMO it is not feasible. No civil war, just more cold social/political civil war

[Max Rockatansky]

The United States meant to recover US property. The South fired on Ft. Sumter and attacked the US Army at Bull Run. If this is your expertise you better keep out of it.
What good is that doing in Afghanistan? If you were the great expert you would know that plans last one minute is actual warfare.We have several people here who know more than you do about warfare.
Some things are too absurd to respond to. We know who does what here. We pay attention. You don't set the rules here.

He did respond to your expert musing. He doesn't have to have an opinion or tell you what it is. Try not to derail your own threads as you so often do.

I'm denying that you have a possible war here understood. You don't. All your experience would be as useful as the experts in the Pentagon about Iraq and Afghanistan. They were wrong about Korea and Vietnam too.

Why do you think a Civil War here would happen the way you think? Who wants to take down the Constitution? What could the Federal government do if an electric grid is taken out. What could they do if a bridge goes down? What would they do if a section of interstate is ripped up?

You know what you know but you don't have a clue what a civil was would look like here. It wouldn't be two standing armies fighting. It would be like the Taliban. They are beating us in Afghanistan, aren't they? It would be assassinating people. You would be useless in that kind of war. You have decided you know how it would be fought and you would be lost when it hap[pens differently.

The majority doesn't have to support it. The majority didn't support the Revolutionary War either. The majority wouldn't do anything because the majority wouldn't care. You need to learn what Americans really are.



Your fascination with me is mildly interesting. Am I that big a threat to your sensibilities? Why?

[Captdon]

Let's call the #FBI. Let's talk about #terrorism. Are you fine with being investigated? I am. https://www.fbi.gov/

https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us

Now you're being investigated by the FBI? Wow, you are a one man wrecking ball. I was investigated once by the FBI. They kept watch on me for years.hen. I moved in the middle of the night and caught them sleeping. I'm guessing I'm on their Most Wanted List or being ignored out of embarrassment.

It's why I don't use my real name here. I fought a gorilla war at the Cleveland Zoo. It didn't turn out well.

[Max Rockatansky]

Asking an American citizen to fire upon his neighbor is a daunting task. IMO it is not feasible. No civil war, just more cold social/political civil war
Agreed. IMO, the ones advocating civil war are advocating fascism. They'll lose. Americans won't do it. Same goes for "socialism" as the fracas in NY just proved.

Still, it's a good idea to protect our rights as American citizens to be armed and ready to defend ourselves against assclowns.

[Max Rockatansky]

Now you're being investigated by the FBI?...Unlikely, but I welcome a full investigation of all members of this forum. If it stops one act of domestic terrorism do you think it's worth it? Who among us do you think is most likely to be a domestic terrorist?

[Max Rockatansky]

So, just so we're all clear: NO ONE BELIEVES THERE WILL BE A CIVIL WAR except one member?

Thanks for the confirmation!

[Max Rockatansky]

Some things are too absurd to respond to. We know who does what here. We pay attention. You don't set the rules here.Yet you spent the past 30 minutes and over 20 posts responding to me. What about me scares you so much?

Who the fuck is "we"?

Obviously you know nothing about leadership, small unit tactics or guerrilla warfare. Why don't you stay on topic?

[Captdon]

Unlikely, but I welcome a full investigation of all members of this forum. If it stops one act of domestic terrorism do you think it's worth it? Who among us do you think is most likely to be a domestic terrorist?

Don't edit my posts. There is a rule against that.

[Max Rockatansky]

Don't edit my posts. There is a rule against that.What rule, specifically, are you quoting and what violation, specifically are you accusing me of committing?

Also, there's a rule about personal attacks, derailing threads and bad faith posting. Please get back to me after you report all rule violations on this thread.

Any chance you have something to add to the thread topic????

[MisterVeritis]

It appears you know you lost the argument. Thanks for playing.

I knew it would turn out this way.

Dude, remember how you like saying "You'll never see it coming"? You're right. You'll never see it coming. It won't be me, it'll be those you trust.
You won't see it, the civil war, coming. You are blind to it.

[MisterVeritis]

No doubt you are completely harmless. Just a REMF like I said.
Can we now get back to the topic of civil war, tactics and leadership? Things you've acknowledged having no interest or expertise?
I am interested in the Second American Civil War. It was you who diverted.

Feel free to go back to the reasonable answers to your comments. This time try to stay on topic.

If you want to discuss the kinds of leadership we will see in a Second Civil War I am game.

[MisterVeritis]

Asking an American citizen to fire upon his neighbor is a daunting task. IMO it is not feasible. No civil war, just more cold social/political civil war
There are hundreds of examples. Start with the Roman Civil Wars.

[The Xl]

If a civil war ever breaks out, I think it will be because the state has abused its power and ignored the constitution one to many a time. I think many people have had enough of politicans and special interests running and in many cases, ruining their lives.

[MisterVeritis]

If a civil war ever breaks out, I think it will be because the state has abused its power and ignored the constitution one to many a time. I think many people have had enough of politicans and special interests running and in many cases, ruining their lives.
The remedy is to restore the Tenth Amendment. But we won't do it.

[Cletus]

When will he realize that "guerrilla warfare" isn't the topic?

I have stayed out of this thread so far, but I think this is something worthy of comment.

I realize the topic of the thread is "civil war" and although I think it is possible, I don't don't consider it probable, at least not in the immediate future.

What I wanted to say though, it even though the topic is "civil war" and not guerrilla warfare, if a civil war were to break out, active hostilities would both begin and end with guerrilla warfare.

There is something going on in my state right now that is worthy of keeping a close eye on. The newly installed state legislature and governor (both Democrat) is pushing very hard for a number of anti-gun measures that are clear violations of both the spirit and the letter of the Second Amendment. Because of that, to date, and the movement is growing pretty rapidly, 14 of the 33 counties in New Mexico have passed resolutions declaring themselves Second Amendment Sanctuaries and just flat out told the government in Santa Fe that if signed into law, these new anti-gun laws would not be enforced in those counties. Several more counties are voting on similar resolutions in the coming week. If 3 more counties sign on, that is more than half the state that is telling the Governor she and the legislature are overstepping their boundaries and it is not going to be tolerated.

The Governor's office responded yesterday by saying she WOULD enforce those laws in those counties, regardless of what the people there wanted.

Sound familiar?

This is the sort of thing that could easily spark a flame that would not be easily extinguished.

[Peter1469]

I have stayed out of this thread so far, but I think this is something worthy of comment.

I realize the topic of the thread is "civil war" and although I think it is possible, I don't don't consider it probable, at least not in the immediate future.

What I wanted to say though, it even though the topic is "civil war" and not guerrilla warfare, if a civil war were to break out, active hostilities would both begin and end with guerrilla warfare.

There is something going on in my state right now that is worthy of keeping a close eye on. The newly installed state legislature and governor (both Democrat) is pushing very hard for a number of anti-gun measures that are clear violations of both the spirit and the letter of the Second Amendment. Because of that, to date, and the movement is growing pretty rapidly, 14 of the 33 counties in New Mexico have passed resolutions declaring themselves Second Amendment Sanctuaries and just flat out told the government in Santa Fe that if signed into law, these new anti-gun laws would not be enforced in those counties. Several more counties are voting on similar resolutions in the coming week. If 3 more counties sign on, that is more than half the state that is telling the Governor she and the legislature are overstepping their boundaries and it is not going to be tolerated.

The Governor's office responded yesterday by saying she WOULD enforce those laws in those counties, regardless of what the people there wanted.

Sound familiar?

This is the sort of thing that could easily spark a flame that would not be easily extinguished.
That is good news that the local governments are standing up to abuse from the state government.

[Sergeant Gleed]

Yes.

Second Amendment Sanctuaries are so evil.

But I'm sure the people of Washington State are so happy they're living in an illegal alien sanctuary that refuses to allow any rapist, robber, murder, child molester or gang member to be deported by the evil ICE.

[Sergeant Gleed]

The remedy is to restore the Tenth Amendment. But we won't do it.
The TENTH Amendment?

That does not abrogate the prohibition against the infringements on arms.

The remedy is to recognize what the courts have already ruled: That the right to own guns is a private and individual right.

States cannot abrogate civil rights.

[Cletus]

No doubt you are completely harmless. Just a REMF like I said.

Can we now get back to the topic of civil war, tactics and leadership? Things you've acknowledged having no interest or expertise?

You have gone way over the top and are so far out of line I don't know if anyone can help you find your way back. Every insurrection needs not only fighters, but thinkers. Theorists, philosophers, speakers to spread the word and advance the cause. Did John Adams or Benjamin Franklin or even Jefferson ever fire a shot in anger during the American Revolution?

Civil wars don't start with fighters. They start with idealists.

Now, if you want to ask me whether I know anything about tactics or guerrilla warfare, we can go there, but I don't see how that would be particularly relevant to or productive in a discussion of the general topic of this thread.

[DGUtley]

Neo-Nazi asshole.

When a large portion of a population erupts into violent warfare with itself.

It takes a lot, a lot more than exists now. In the case of the American Civil War let's not forget that the South seceded. It was the North that attacked the South; meaning the Federal government attacked its own people. This is a lot different than what happened in Russia or Spain. The conditions of which do not exist in the US today. Ergo; people who claim a civil war is coming are fucking morons.

A civil war would include people who support the US Constitution and I'd be among them.

NOTICE - Max Rockatansky TB’D for insults and attacks and bad faith posting. Further moderation may follow as a result of this thread.

[Cletus]

It is 15 counties now. It will only take two more to be more than half the counties in the state.

[Peter1469]

It is 15 counties now. It will only take two more to be more than half the counties in the state.
Keep us updated.

[waltky]

Granny says, "Dat's right...

... save yer Confederate money, boys...

... the South shall rise again!"

[Cthulhu]

You are dancing around several issues. You mention some truths, but also make some assumptions.

Make a stand, @Mister D (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=4),
1) do you believe a civil war will happen in our lifetimes, say the next 10 years or less?
2) where would you stand in such a war?1. Yes. But probably further out. 15ish?

2. Depends on what sides are available.

Sent from my evil cell phone.

[MisterVeritis]

The remedy is to restore the Tenth Amendment. But we won't do it.

The TENTH Amendment?
Yes. The Tenth Amendment.

That does not abrogate the prohibition against the infringements on arms.
The remedy is to recognize what the courts have already ruled: That the right to own guns is a private and individual right.
States cannot abrogate civil rights.

That is not the point.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

There are few powers delegated to the federal government. Imagine a federal government forced to comply with the Tenth Amendment.

[MisterVeritis]

Granny says, "Dat's right...
... save yer Confederate money, boys...
... the South shall rise again!"
The first American civil war was not a real civil war. The second one will be.

[CaveDog]

I wouldn't disagree that a "hot" civil war is unlikely. Even the national guards are not as decentralized as the state militias were in 1861, which is what made the civil war possible. There's only one scenario I've seen theorized that's even remotely credible.

With all the accusations of election tampering, it creates a dangerous situation. If one party or the other were to lose big in a federal election and refuse to accept the outcome as legitimate it could lead to a split with both parties claiming to be the rightful leadership. While the possibility is still remote, it's not outside the realm of possibility to end up with basically two governments. One refusing to cede power and the other demanding it does. Even that may sound far-fetched in more normal times but with the level of hostility built up over the past two years between the parties and all the finger pointing from both sides over presumed election fraud I wouldn't totally discount it. Where that could really go off the rails would be if it turned into a scenario like the 1991 communist party attempted coup in the then Soviet Union. Soviet hardliners already upset with Gorbechev's reforms concluded that if newly elected President Yeltsin took office it would mean the dissolution of the Soviet Union and decided to take action. They ordered KGB and armored units into Moscow and sent tanks to capture the parliament building. Pro-Yeltsin protestors surrounded the parliament and when the commander of the tank unit arrived he decided to side with the protestors and turned his tanks around with guns pointing out to protect the parliament building. For a moment in time there was not just a split in the government but a split in the military which could have easily erupted into a civil war. At that point the coup collapsed but it could have gone either way. Anyone tempted to say "can't happen here", bear in mind that the Soviet Union was an advanced country, a superpower equal to the United States. If whom the legitimate civil authority lies in dispute, individual military commanders would have to decide to whom they owed allegiance. All it would take is an incident like that at the Russian parliament to go wrong and we could very quickly and easily find ourselves in a civil war if it led to a split within the military itself.

Food for thought.

[Captdon]

What rule, specifically, are you quoting and what violation, specifically are you accusing me of committing?

Also, there's a rule about personal attacks, derailing threads and bad faith posting. Please get back to me after you report all rule violations on this thread.

Any chance you have something to add to the thread topic????

The rule about editing posts. You re the one attacking other posters. I'm surprised you haven;y been nailed, Bob.
Now, you don't have any idea what a civil war would look like here. It won't be like anything you know about. That's not saying much. I'm treating you as an amusing cartoon. You seem to have a problem with that. Write better post.

[Captdon]

Granny says, "Dat's right...

... save yer Confederate money, boys...

... the South shall rise again!"
Nice to see you back.

[countryboy]

Granny says, "Dat's right...

... save yer Confederate money, boys...

... the South shall rise again!"

I was thinking about you recently, I was worried you hadn't been around for awhile. You doing okay?

[Common]

Neo-Nazi asshole.

When a large portion of a population erupts into violent warfare with itself.

It takes a lot, a lot more than exists now. In the case of the American Civil War let's not forget that the South seceded. It was the North that attacked the South; meaning the Federal government attacked its own people. This is a lot different than what happened in Russia or Spain. The conditions of which do not exist in the US today. Ergo; people who claim a civil war is coming are fucking morons.

A civil war would include people who support the US Constitution and I'd be among them.

You have recieved a 24 hr infraction for continued personal insults

[MisterVeritis]

I wouldn't disagree that a "hot" civil war is unlikely. Even the national guards are not as decentralized as the state militias were in 1861, which is what made the civil war possible. There's only one scenario I've seen theorized that's even remotely credible.

With all the accusations of election tampering, it creates a dangerous situation. If one party or the other were to lose big in a federal election and refuse to accept the outcome as legitimate it could lead to a split with both parties claiming to be the rightful leadership.
Does the 2016 Presidential election sound familiar?

[Mister D]

I have stayed out of this thread so far, but I think this is something worthy of comment.

I realize the topic of the thread is "civil war" and although I think it is possible, I don't don't consider it probable, at least not in the immediate future.

What I wanted to say though, it even though the topic is "civil war" and not guerrilla warfare, if a civil war were to break out, active hostilities would both begin and end with guerrilla warfare.

There is something going on in my state right now that is worthy of keeping a close eye on. The newly installed state legislature and governor (both Democrat) is pushing very hard for a number of anti-gun measures that are clear violations of both the spirit and the letter of the Second Amendment. Because of that, to date, and the movement is growing pretty rapidly, 14 of the 33 counties in New Mexico have passed resolutions declaring themselves Second Amendment Sanctuaries and just flat out told the government in Santa Fe that if signed into law, these new anti-gun laws would not be enforced in those counties. Several more counties are voting on similar resolutions in the coming week. If 3 more counties sign on, that is more than half the state that is telling the Governor she and the legislature are overstepping their boundaries and it is not going to be tolerated.

The Governor's office responded yesterday by saying she WOULD enforce those laws in those counties, regardless of what the people there wanted.

Sound familiar?

This is the sort of thing that could easily spark a flame that would not be easily extinguished.

That's very interesting. I will take a look myself but your input as a state resident would be appreciated as this continues to unfold.

[Cletus]

That's very interesting. I will take a look myself but your input as a state resident would be appreciated as this continues to unfold.

We now also have individual municipalities declaring themselves Second Amendment sanctuaries.

[Common]

We now also have individual municipalities declaring themselves Second Amendment sanctuaries.

Are you in New Mexico Ive read about two counties there going sanctuary gun rights counties

[Cletus]

Are you in New Mexico Ive read about two counties there going sanctuary gun rights counties

I am.

The number of counties that have already passed Second Amendment sanctuary resolutions is now up to 15. I believe 7 more are scheduled for votes in the coming week.

There are 33 counties in New Mexico. If two more counties pass their resolutions, that will be more than half the state telling the Governor and Legislature to stuff it.

[jet57]

We now also have individual municipalities declaring themselves Second Amendment sanctuaries.

Yeah, in New Mexico. Only 49 states to go.

[Cletus]

Yeah, in New Mexico. Only 49 states to go.

Somebody has to lead. You can just keep following along hoping your masters will drop a few crumbs for you to scoop up.

[Mister D]

I am.

The number of counties that have already passed Second Amendment sanctuary resolutions is now up to 15. I believe 7 more are scheduled for votes in the coming week.

There are 33 counties in New Mexico. If two more counties pass their resolutions, that will be more than half the state telling the Governor and Legislature to stuff it.

As you noted, it has to start somewhere.

[Cletus]

As you noted, it has to start somewhere.

I would love to see this blossom into a nationwide movement.

[jet57]

Somebody has to lead. You can just keep following along hoping your masters will drop a few crumbs for you to scoop up.
Oh nonsense.

[Chris]

I would love to see this blossom into a nationwide movement.


Indeed, that would be a positive movement toward a return to self-government starting at the local level.

Those on the left probably can't even fathom such a movement. However, the old Tea Party movement shows it is possible.

[Peter1469]

Indeed, that would be a positive movement toward a return to self-government starting at the local level.

Those on the left probably can't even fathom such a movement. However, the old Tea Party movement shows it is possible.

Tea Parties.

[Chris]

Tea Parties.

Exactly. A plurality.

[Orion Rules]

Exactly. A plurality.

Exactly. A plurality.

[Cthulhu]

I would love to see this blossom into a nationwide movement.I hope it does.

Sent from my evil cell phone.

[Lummy]

Neo-Nazi $#@!.

When a large portion of a population erupts into violent warfare with itself.

It takes a lot, a lot more than exists now. In the case of the American Civil War let's not forget that the South seceded. It was the North that attacked the South; meaning the Federal government attacked its own people. This is a lot different than what happened in Russia or Spain. The conditions of which do not exist in the US today. Ergo; people who claim a civil war is coming are $#@!ing morons.

A civil war would include people who support the US Constitution and I'd be among them.

When the South seceded, they were no longer in the Union. So the Federal government could not have attacked "its own people", but a self-defined foreign power presenting an imminent threat.

Perhaps it would be more clear to call it a rebellion or revolt, not civil war. Defined as rebellion or revolt, there is all sorts of evidence indicating we are already in one.

Big banks and multinationals take no sides. They laugh.

You have my sympathy that you are temporarily banned and cannot reply. I know how that feels.

[slackercruster]

A Coast Guard LT was recently arrested for minor crimes even though the term "domestic terrorism" was tossed about. Among his lunatic writings was the oft used comment of Alt-Right nutjobs: the "coming Civil War". Coast Guard LT or not, this guy was both ignorant and an idiot. He had fantasies and very little grip on reality. LW anti-gunners express shock that he had "so many" guns, but both my friends and I have much more than he had...and we're not planning to fight a civil war. Just collectors and sport shooters. Despite the delusions of those who are planning for the "civil war", after observing them, I have little doubt I know a lot more about guerrilla warfare and small unit tactics than all of them put together. They have a fantasy of a great uprising and quick takedown of both the US Federal government and the Constitution, but they haven't a clue that their fantasies would both fail and meet opposition from Americans loyal to the Constitution.

Civil war is just a pipe dream. Same as some who say 'pray harder' to god/s to save America.

Most people are too busy working 2 jobs and a side hustle just to get by. They can't afford to revolt. The dems will be calling in the guns state by state and disarming the reps as they take control. Once the majority of the black guns / assault rifles are confiscated the reps have lost any meaningful way to stage a civil war or fight tyranny. After the dems have got most of the black guns, the dems will go down the line confiscating each class of guns until America is disarmed and falls in line with the EU and UK. So someday be ready to kiss your sport shooting goodbye.

Don't believe this scenario? Think your revolver and shotguns are safe?

Remember, there was a successful mass school shooting where only a revolver and shotgun was used. Mass shootings can be accomplished just fine with 2 revolvers, a few speed loaders and a shotgun. As such they will have to go once the dems have D.C. and the majority of America under their control. Many dem politicians are not gun owners themselves. They see no purpose for owning guns. You may be allowed muzzle loaders or single shot rifles as some sort of crumbs, but that is about it. The NRA wont be able to protect you much longer, as they cannot pay enough $ to politicians that will win that can protect the 2A.

The reps / 2A have no organization for nationwide defense of the 2A. Therefor any resistance will be lone wolf extremists, maybe a little guerrilla warfare. But fight as they might, they were not organized to protect the 2A and guns will be eventually confiscated un the USA.

The dems are unbeatable or will be unbeatable in the near future. They have too many bases that vote for them. The reps only have a few bases of support and they are getting old and dying off. Patriotic nationalism is not popular with the young people. The recent protests from hi-tech workers not wanting to offer tech to the Defense Dept gives a clue to how things will go in the USA.

There is a handle on GAB called Diary of a Dying Nation. That sums up America. Eventually we will be taken over by Russia, China and Mexico. (Or at least be under their thumb.)And in a world where only the strongest survive, this is how it must be when a nation is not strong enuf to maintain its foundational principles it was built on.

[Captdon]

Yeah, in New Mexico. Only 49 states to go.

South Carolina wouldn't pass such a law. 48.

[Captdon]

When the South seceded, they were no longer in the Union. So the Federal government could not have attacked "its own people", but a self-defined foreign power presenting an imminent threat.

Perhaps it would be more clear to call it a rebellion or revolt, not civil war. Defined as rebellion or revolt, there is all sorts of evidence indicating we are already in one.

Big banks and multinationals take no sides. They laugh.

You have my sympathy that you are temporarily banned and cannot reply. I know how that feels.

When they seceded, they weren't allowed to. They were still in the Union. There was no attack until the state of South Carolina fired on a federal fort. Then the Southern militias attacked a US Army on its way toreclain federal property.

[Captdon]

Civil war is just a pipe dream. Same as some who say 'pray harder' to god/s to save America.

Most people are too busy working 2 jobs and a side hustle just to get by. They can't afford to revolt. The dems will be calling in the guns state by state and disarming the reps as they take control. Once the majority of the black guns / assault rifles are confiscated the reps have lost any meaningful way to stage a civil war or fight tyranny. After the dems have got most of the black guns, the dems will go down the line confiscating each class of guns until America is disarmed and falls in line with the EU and UK. So someday be ready to kiss your sport shooting goodbye.

Don't believe this scenario? Think your revolver and shotguns are safe?

Remember, there was a successful mass school shooting where only a revolver and shotgun was used. Mass shootings can be accomplished just fine with 2 revolvers, a few speed loaders and a shotgun. As such they will have to go once the dems have D.C. and the majority of America under their control. Many dem politicians are not gun owners themselves. They see no purpose for owning guns. You may be allowed muzzle loaders or single shot rifles as some sort of crumbs, but that is about it. The NRA wont be able to protect you much longer, as they cannot pay enough $ to politicians that will win that can protect the 2A.

The reps / 2A have no organization for nationwide defense of the 2A. Therefor any resistance will be lone wolf extremists, maybe a little guerrilla warfare. But fight as they might, they were not organized to protect the 2A and guns will be eventually confiscated un the USA.

The dems are unbeatable or will be unbeatable in the near future. They have too many bases that vote for them. The reps only have a few bases of support and they are getting old and dying off. Patriotic nationalism is not popular with the young people. The recent protests from hi-tech workers not wanting to offer tech to the Defense Dept gives a clue to how things will go in the USA.

There is a handle on GAB called Diary of a Dying Nation. That sums up America. Eventually we will be taken over by Russia, China and Mexico. (Or at least be under their thumb.)And in a world where only the strongest survive, this is how it must be when a nation is not strong enuf to maintain its foundational principles it was built on.

Who do you think is going to give their guns to the federal government? That's just goofy.

[ripmeister]

Somebody has to lead. You can just keep following along hoping your masters will drop a few crumbs for you to scoop up.

What are the "anti-gun" policies being proposed?

[Cletus]

Another county voted today. We are now up to 16 counties.

[ripmeister]

Another county voted today. We are now up to 16 counties.

What proposals are they voting on?

[stjames1_53]

Neo-Nazi $#@!.

When a large portion of a population erupts into violent warfare with itself.

It takes a lot, a lot more than exists now. In the case of the American Civil War let's not forget that the South seceded. It was the North that attacked the South; meaning the Federal government attacked its own people. This is a lot different than what happened in Russia or Spain. The conditions of which do not exist in the US today. Ergo; people who claim a civil war is coming are $#@!ing morons.

A civil war would include people who support the US Constitution and I'd be among them.

You're about as unconstitutional as it gets.

[stjames1_53]

What are the "anti-gun" policies being proposed?

What does "Shall not be infringed" don't you get?
They want them, by baby steps or outright ban and seize. CA and NY are perfect examples.
"Registration does not mean confiscation." horse hooey

[ripmeister]

What does "Shall not be infringed" don't you get?
They want them, by baby steps or outright ban and seize. CA and NY are perfect examples.
"Registration does not mean confiscation." horse hooey

Relax dude. It was an honest question. I was curious what the gov and assembly were putting forth.

[Cletus]

What proposals are they voting on?
There is a whole herd of them... everything from universal background checks, setting NICS check prices for FFLs, safe storage, Red Flag Laws... the Democrats have just gone insane and the good people of New Mexico aren't going to put up with it. Even idiots who voted for this new Governor are shocked and walking around saying "But she said she wouldn't go after guns". Many of us said that was exactly what she would do, but there are a lot of dumb asses out there.

Catron County went so far as to pass a non-binding resolution today that strongly encourages every resident to keep arms and ammunition at the ready in their home. I also believe a 17th county just passed the resolution declaring sanctuary status just a few minutes ago. That makes over half the counties in the state. We have our second hearing on the issue tomorrow. I bumped heads with one of the Commissioners at the last one, we will see what happens tomorrow morning.

[Lummy]

When they seceded, they weren't allowed to. They were still in the Union. There was no attack until the state of South Carolina fired on a federal fort. Then the Southern militias attacked a US Army on its way toreclain federal property.
:facepalm:


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Talk to the hand.

[Tahuyaman]

There is a whole herd of them... everything from universal background checks, setting NICS check prices for FFLs, safe storage, Red Flag Laws....

Did you mean check points, not check prices? Check points and intrusive home inspections to ensure safe storage are dangerous. That is an example of looking to create violations of the law and creating criminals.

[Tahuyaman]

There is a whole herd of them... everything from universal background checks, setting NICS check prices for FFLs, safe storage, Red Flag Laws... the Democrats have just gone insane and the good people of New Mexico aren't going to put up with it. Even idiots who voted for this new Governor are shocked and walking around saying "But she said she wouldn't go after guns". Many of us said that was exactly what she would do, but there are a lot of dumb asses out there.

Catron County went so far as to pass a non-binding resolution today that strongly encourages every resident to keep arms and ammunition at the ready in their home. I also believe a 17th county just passed the resolution declaring sanctuary status just a few minutes ago. That makes over half the counties in the state. We have our second hearing on the issue tomorrow. I bumped heads with one of the Commissioners at the last one, we will see what happens tomorrow morning.


What did you "bump heads" about?

[Cletus]

Did you mean check points, not check prices? Check points and intrusive home inspections to ensure safe storage are dangerous. That is an example of looking to create violations of the law and creating criminals.


No, I meant prices. The want to require Federal Firearms Licensees to perform FBI NICS checks on people doing person to person transfers (not required by federal law) and they want to set the maximum price the FFLs can charge for those checks.

You are spot on about the "safe storage" issue. There is no way the state could check compliance without inspections. That is not even close to being acceptable.

[Cletus]

What did you "bump heads" about?
The issue of determining whether a law is constitutional. His position was that it is the function of the judiciary and only the judiciary to determine the constitutionality of a law and that we must comply with a law until the Courts determine it is unconstitutional.

My position is the same as that taken by Madison and Jefferson... that the PEOPLE and the STATES, not the Judiciary are in fact the final arbiters of constitutionality, that both Jefferson and Madison feared an overly powerful judiciary and it was never actually intended to be an "equal" branch of government. Chief Justice Marshall usurped the Constitution in 1803 and assumed powers for the Court not granted it by the Constitution. Jefferson, as brilliant as he was, screwed up by not slapping Marshall down at the time.

[Tahuyaman]

No, I meant prices. The want to require Federal Firearms Licensees to perform FBI NICS checks on people doing person to person transfers (not required by federal law) and they want to set the maximum price the FFLs can charge for those checks.

You are spot on about the "safe storage" issue. There is no way the state could check compliance without inspections. That is not even close to being acceptable.


Here in Washington state, if you buy a firearm from me, we are supposed now to go to a legal firearm dealer who can do a background check on the buyer. I don't know how that law can be enforced.


I haven't sold or purchased a firearm from a friend recently... Ahem, but I would not abide by that law. I'd risk it.

[Tahuyaman]

The issue of determining whether a law is constitutional. His position was that it is the function of the judiciary and only the judiciary to determine the constitutionality of a law and that we must comply with a law until the Courts determine it is unconstitutional...

He's wrong. Somewhere we are told that it is our responsibility to not obey certain unjust laws. Just as in the military I was reponsible to disobey an illegal order. That implied that I needed to know what made an order illegal.

[Cletus]

When it comes to the Constitution, there were two things I learned a long time ago.

The first came from Juistice Scalia in a lecture he gave somewhere. Anytime the word "shall" appears in the Constitution, it is not a suggestion. It is not a recommendation. It is a COMMAND. It is not open to debate.

The second thing is if you want to learn about the Constitution, don't ask a lawyer. The truth is, most don't really know that much about it. Talk to an historian. They are the ones who will have the knowledge you seek.

[Cletus]

He's wrong. Somewhere we are told that it is our responsibility to not obey certain unjust laws. Just as in the military I was reponsible to disobey an illegal order. That implied that I needed to know what made an order illegal.
That is exactly right.

If congress passed a law making slavery legal again, would citizens be obligated to obey that law until it went through the court system or should they refuse?

Quite often, legislators assume the people are stupid, or even more likely, they hope they are.

[mamooth]

Why do you think a Civil War here would happen the way you think? Who wants to take down the Constitution?

Modern conservatives. Duh.

That's why most vets will oppose their little rebellion. Vets had to swear to support and defend the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic. Modern conservatives are clearly domestic enemies of the Constitution. That's why I am required to oppose conservatives. It's not optional for me, it's part of my sacred oath.


It would be assassinating people.

I spend some of my time passing for conservative. That's part of how I oppose them. No need for any violence.

I hope you understand how infiltrated all of your little traitor groups are, and how quickly law enforcement would round them up. If you do understand, it might keep you from doing something stupid.

[mamooth]

Indeed, that would be a positive movement toward a return to self-government starting at the local level.

Does that mean you support abortion rights at the local and individual level? That is, counties and cities being free to set their own abortion laws without any state or federal interference.

[Chris]

Does that mean you support abortion rights at the local and individual level? That is, counties and cities being free to set their own abortion laws without any state or federal interference.

If that's what the people wanted, what they believed would make for a good and meaningful existence.

I would t be to quick to think that's what people would want.

[Peter1469]

Does that mean you support abortion rights at the local and individual level? That is, counties and cities being free to set their own abortion laws without any state or federal interference.

Cool, we can support murder at the local level? :cool2:

[Nowhere Man]

That's why most vets will oppose their little rebellion. Vets had to swear to support and defend the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic. Modern conservatives are clearly domestic enemies of the Constitution. That's why I am required to oppose conservatives. It's not optional for me, it's part of my sacred oath.

Cool, I see that it is your sworn scared duty to hate every American that disagrees with your view of the world....

Got it!.
Want a clue?

It was also the sworn sacred duty of each and every one of Lenin's Political officers to root out and destroy all opposition.... Historical fact. And in as grisly and demeaning in public execution as they could devise....

I'm happy to know that the Marxist-Leninist ideals of political purity are still alive and well in the world....

Surprising that it has taken hold in a mainstream political party in the United States though. Not surprising though since Hillary herself called for it nationally herself with her Deplorables statement..... You remember any one that disagrees with the democrat platform is a disgusting deplorable?

What you believe in is no surprise, it was what this nation was created to stop...

[mamooth]

Cool, I see that it is your sworn scared duty to hate every American that disagrees with your view of the world....

You didn't read what I said. I said it's my sworn duty to oppose those who attack the US constitution.


It was also the sworn sacred duty of each and every one of Lenin's Political officers to root out and destroy all opposition.... Historical fact.

If you weren't a domestic enemy of the Constitution, you could have simply mentioned that. But no, you didn't. You went straight to telling everyone how it's wrong to oppose domestic enemies of the Consititution. Those are actions I'd expect from a fifth columnist.

[mamooth]

Cool, we can support murder at the local level? :cool2:
I'm just seeing if you're consistent with the "more local control means more liberty and is thus good" thing.

Chris is.

You're obviously not.

[MisterVeritis]

You didn't read what I said. I said it's my sworn duty to oppose those who attack the US constitution.
Have you read the US Constitution? Are you familiar with the first ten amendments? If so, what do you think of the tenth amendment?

[MisterVeritis]

I spend some of my time passing for conservative. That's part of how I oppose them. No need for any violence.

Do you believe you are fooling anyone here?

[Peter1469]

I'm just seeing if you're consistent with the "more local control means more liberty and is thus good" thing.

Chris is.

You're obviously not.

You don't know what you are talking about.

[Chris]

You don't know what you are talking about.

Trolls usually don't know or care what they're saying.

[mamooth]

Have you read the US Constitution? Are you familiar with the first ten amendments? If so, what do you think of the tenth amendment?

Conservatives usually leave out the "or to the people" part of it, as they favor a tyranny by the states.

[mamooth]

Do you believe you are fooling anyone here?

I think I understand. You're constantly calling for violence, so you can't imagine that everyone else isn't also dreaming of violence. You can't believe that I might peacefully keep tabs on violent conservatives by being chummy with them.

Maybe you should be more paranoid. After all, maybe I'm keeping tabs on the violent conservatives here. <cue ominous music>

[MisterVeritis]

Have you read the US Constitution? Are you familiar with the first ten amendments? If so, what do you think of the tenth amendment?

Conservatives usually leave out the "or to the people" part of it, as they favor a tyranny by the states.
I asked what you think of it.

[MisterVeritis]

Do you believe you are fooling anyone here?

I think I understand. You're constantly calling for violence, so you can't imagine that everyone else isn't also dreaming of violence. You can't believe that I might peacefully keep tabs on violent conservatives by being chummy with them.

Maybe you should be more paranoid. After all, maybe I'm keeping tabs on the violent conservatives here. <cue ominous music>
There are days when I believe the right answer is a call for widespread violence. But I cannot recall calling for violence. Can you give me a link?

I have called for justice. Perhaps you have confused the State's justice with citizen violence. I don't yet, recommend it.The answer to my question is, "No MisterVeritis, I am not fooling anyone."

[donttread]

A Coast Guard LT was recently arrested for minor crimes even though the term "domestic terrorism" was tossed about. Among his lunatic writings was the oft used comment of Alt-Right nutjobs: the "coming Civil War". Coast Guard LT or not, this guy was both ignorant and an idiot. He had fantasies and very little grip on reality. LW anti-gunners express shock that he had "so many" guns, but both my friends and I have much more than he had...and we're not planning to fight a civil war. Just collectors and sport shooters.


Despite the delusions of those who are planning for the "civil war", after observing them, I have little doubt I know a lot more about guerrilla warfare and small unit tactics than all of them put together. They have a fantasy of a great uprising and quick takedown of both the US Federal government and the Constitution, but they haven't a clue that their fantasies would both fail and meet opposition from Americans loyal to the Constitution.

A lack of a grip on reality comes from mental illness. Yet he made LT. in the Armed Forces. Do we vet at all anymore?

[Captdon]

Modern conservatives. Duh.

That's why most vets will oppose their little rebellion. Vets had to swear to support and defend the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic. Modern conservatives are clearly domestic enemies of the Constitution. That's why I am required to oppose conservatives. It's not optional for me, it's part of my sacred oath.



I spend some of my time passing for conservative. That's part of how I oppose them. No need for any violence.

I hope you understand how infiltrated all of your little traitor groups are, and how quickly law enforcement would round them up. If you do understand, it might keep you from doing something stupid.

You are a foolish, uncomprehending little twit. You would be doing well to pass for a third-grader.

[Captdon]

Does that mean you support abortion rights at the local and individual level? That is, counties and cities being free to set their own abortion laws without any state or federal interference.

Murder at the state level? How goofy are you?

[Captdon]

I think I understand. You're constantly calling for violence, so you can't imagine that everyone else isn't also dreaming of violence. You can't believe that I might peacefully keep tabs on violent conservatives by being chummy with them.

Maybe you should be more paranoid. After all, maybe I'm keeping tabs on the violent conservatives here. <cue ominous music>

You're a spy" Jesus, you aren't smart enough to figure out how to open the door at the FBI building.

Here's how smart you are: I'm not a conservative. I'm a minimalist. Figure that one out and we'll see you next year.

[Private Pickle]

There is no coming civil war although it would make for great Netflix.

[Private Pickle]

You're a spy" Jesus, you aren't smart enough to figure out how to open the door at the FBI building.

Here's how smart you are: I'm not a conservative. I'm a minimalist. Figure that one out and we'll see you next year.
Dude. Minalmism isn’t a political ideology. It’s a lifestyle choice. It would be impossible for someone to “figure that one out” because it would be like comparing liberalism to going to the gym.

[Chris]

Dude. Minalmism isn’t a political ideology. It’s a lifestyle choice. It would be impossible for someone to “figure that one out” because it would be like comparing liberalism to going to the gym.

Minimalism politically means favoring the smallest possible government to protect liberty. Another word for it is minarchy.

[MisterVeritis]

There is no coming civil war although it would make for great Netflix.
When it comes you will be one of those who asks what happened?

[Private Pickle]

Minimalism politically means favoring the smallest possible government to protect liberty. Another word for it is minarchy.

Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification.

[Private Pickle]

When it comes you will be one of those who asks what happened?

You think? I doubt it. Depending on the circumstances you’d probably see me on the lines.

[MisterVeritis]

You think? I doubt it. Depending on the circumstances you’d probably see me on the lines.
No. You won't see it coming. Once it is here you may think of yourself as a trigger puller. Someone will use you.

[Private Pickle]

No. You won't see it coming. Once it is here you may think of yourself as a trigger puller. Someone will use you.

LOL ok. But you will be right there next to me not being “used”.

By the way I’m an exceptional trigger puller.

[MisterVeritis]

LOL ok. But you will be right there next to me not being “used”.

By the way I’m an exceptional trigger puller.
I will see it coming.

[Private Pickle]

I will see it coming.

My eyes are wide open. We are nowhere close to a civil war. We are well fed, well paid, well entertained and there is no trigger point.

Call me when someone successfully comes up with a trigger point. For example call me when they overturn the 2nd.

[MisterVeritis]

My eyes are wide open. We are nowhere close to a civil war. We are well fed, well paid, well entertained and there is no trigger point.

Call me when someone successfully comes up with a trigger point. For example call me when they overturn the 2nd.
We are remarkably close. No one will know ahead of time when the tipping point has tipped. It may not involve overturning an amendment. We have plenty of overturned amendments. It may be something no one anticipates today.

[Private Pickle]

We are remarkably close. No one will know ahead of time when the tipping point has tipped. It may not involve overturning an amendment. We have plenty of overturned amendments. It may be something no one anticipates today.

Historical precedence disagrees with you.

[Captdon]

Dude. Minalmism isn’t a political ideology. It’s a lifestyle choice. It would be impossible for someone to “figure that one out” because it would be like comparing liberalism to going to the gym.

Dude, you don't know what you're talking about. You're confusing what I said with living off the grid. Minimalist is rule by the closest government to the people. Look the rest up for yourself.

[Captdon]

Historical precedence disagrees with you.

Look at our history from 1861-1865. Precedent is another thing you know little about. The civil war can be fought in a multitude of ways and not all are violent.

[Ransom]

There is no coming civil war although it would make for great Netflix.
I gotta agree here to some extent. There probably won't be a civil war. Traditionally, we send our youth off to war. And I look at today's youth......uh......no. The men that fought in our Civil War were cut from a different cloth. Saw a movie last week, Peter Jackson I believe took WWI file from the British and colorized it and the affect is simply stunning. But the life these men had to endure during war, the harsh conditions, there were no safe spaces. You could cry victim, cry hate and bigotry, whine about talk forums, you could try to show the enemy your new green deal.....and you'd be shot. I don't think today's generation could fight a war, bunch of f'n daisies if you ask me.

[MisterVeritis]

Historical precedence disagrees with you.
Cite examples.

The first American civil war's tipping point was a presidential election. No one knew it was the tipping point until it happened.

[MisterVeritis]

I gotta agree here to some extent. There probably won't be a civil war. Traditionally, we send our youth off to war. And I look at today's youth......uh......no. The men that fought in our Civil War were cut from a different cloth. Saw a movie last week, Peter Jackson I believe took WWI file from the British and colorized it and the affect is simply stunning. But the life these men had to endure during war, the harsh conditions, there were no safe spaces. You could cry victim, cry hate and bigotry, whine about talk forums, you could try to show the enemy your new green deal.....and you'd be shot. I don't think today's generation could fight a war, bunch of f'n daisies if you ask me.
The number of fighters in a civil war is always small.

[Ransom]

The number of fighters in a civil war is always small.

Our Civil War saw masses of troops. And entire cities like Fredericksburg and states like Georgia burnt and razed.

Could we endure that?

[MisterVeritis]

Our Civil War saw masses of troops. And entire cities like Fredericksburg and states like Georgia burnt and razed.

Could we endure that?
The First American Civil War was not a civil war. It was a war between two nations.

[Orion Rules]

The First American Civil War was not a civil war. It was a war between two nations.

Yes, it was, a war between two governments, as the War Between the States was also known as the Second Revolutionary War to end the feral rule's occupation!

Thomas Jefferson worked to end slavery, while it continued upon the writing of the U.S. Constitution.

As slavery left, it remained.

The money system of debt borrowers is of the world. The financial crises are all 'fixed'.

The United States has suffered recessions, brought on by money buys.

[Private Pickle]

Cite examples.

The first American civil war's tipping point was a presidential election. No one knew it was the tipping point until it happened.

Incorrect.

[Ransom]

The First American Civil War was not a civil war. It was a war between two nations.

You make my argument for me then. It involved masses of troops and entire cities razed to the ground, many civilian casualties, wholesale swaths of the South destroyed. And my point was how would our current societal norms handle that?

[MisterVeritis]

You make my argument for me then. It involved masses of troops and entire cities razed to the ground, many civilian casualties, wholesale swaths of the South destroyed. And my point was how would our current societal norms handle that?
You err. The first American civil war was NOT a civil war. The Second American Civil War will be. It will not involve masses of troops. There won't be major battles involving armies. Civil wars involve groups of people with substantial grievances. Some civil wars involve dozens of groups each fighting for its own reasons against some or many other groups.

[Ransom]

You err. The first American civil war was NOT a civil war. The Second American Civil War will be. It will not involve masses of troops. There won't be major battles involving armies. Civil wars involve groups of people with substantial grievances. Some civil wars involve dozens of groups each fighting for its own reasons against some or many other groups.
Ok. What is your opinion of how societal norms will handle this coming second civil war? Will today's 'combatants' be able to tolerate hardships that come with this "Second American Civil War?"

And by the way, you've erred. Calling it "The Second American Civil War" insinuates there was a 'First American Civil War' when you've said there was never a first "Civil War." So the war you anticipate....the one you term "The Second American Civil War" if you are to be consistent...would be our first.

[MisterVeritis]

Ok. What is your opinion of how societal norms will handle this coming second civil war? Will today's 'combatants' be able to tolerate hardships that come with this "Second American Civil War?"
Of course. People endure. No one is every ready for the war that engulfs them. Many perish. Other harden and do what must be done.


And by the way, you've erred. Calling it "The Second American Civil War" insinuates there was a 'First American Civil War' when you've said there was never a first "Civil War." So the war you anticipate....the one you term "The Second American Civil War" if you are to be consistent...would be our first.
Fuck off.

[Captdon]

I'm just seeing if you're consistent with the "more local control means more liberty and is thus good" thing.

Chris is.

You're obviously not.

You support killing babies and I don't. It doesn't matter who does it. You are deflecting by being a wizard.

[Captdon]

A lack of a grip on reality comes from mental illness. Yet he made LT. in the Armed Forces. Do we vet at all anymore?

A LT in the Coast Guard isn't much rank.

[Peter1469]

A LT in the Coast Guard isn't much rank.

A captain in the Army, Marines, and Air Force. O-3.

[Captdon]

I gotta agree here to some extent. There probably won't be a civil war. Traditionally, we send our youth off to war. And I look at today's youth......uh......no. The men that fought in our Civil War were cut from a different cloth. Saw a movie last week, Peter Jackson I believe took WWI file from the British and colorized it and the affect is simply stunning. But the life these men had to endure during war, the harsh conditions, there were no safe spaces. You could cry victim, cry hate and bigotry, whine about talk forums, you could try to show the enemy your new green deal.....and you'd be shot. I don't think today's generation could fight a war, bunch of f'n daisies if you ask me.

It wouldn't have to be a civil war as we usually think of it. Look at what those Sheriffs are doing. Look at sanctuary cities. Think of that 1000 times over. Think what it would be like if a lot of people didn't send the Census Bureau their forms. It could be little things that take the country in a new direction. Yes, it could be some violence in the streets. Anti-Fa is going to club the wrong guy or the wrong group.

[Captdon]

The First American Civil War was not a civil war. It was a war between two nations.

No, it was not. No matter how many times you say it, the CSA was never a nation by any definition. It is a Southern fantasy.

[MisterVeritis]

The First American Civil War was not a civil war. It was a war between two nations.

No, it was not. No matter how many times you say it, the CSA was never a nation by any definition. It is a Southern fantasy.
Widen your thinking. It was not a civil war. We call it that. It was a war fought as a war between two nation states. That happened because of the fortunate geographic circumstance. Nearly everyone on one side lived in one place. Those on the other side lived in another place. Each group had a national government and a national military. They fought each other as nation against nation.

The Second American Civil War will pit group against group in every region. One side may have a national army. All the other sides will not. One side will have a national government. All the other sides will not.

To see you need to give up your obvious, and misplaced prejudices. Will you?

[zachroidott]

No, it was not. No matter how many times you say it, the CSA was never a nation by any definition. It is a Southern fantasy.
Spoken like George III.

[Common]

Of course. People endure. No one is every ready for the war that engulfs them. Many perish. Other harden and do what must be done.


Fuck off.
NOTICE - MisterVeritis TB'd for personal insults

[Captdon]

The First American Civil War was not a civil war. It was a war between two nations.

Widen your thinking. It was not a civil war. We call it that. It was a war fought as a war between two nation states. That happened because of the fortunate geographic circumstance. Nearly everyone on one side lived in one place. Those on the other side lived in another place. Each group had a national government and a national military. They fought each other as nation against nation.

The Second American Civil War will pit group against group in every region. One side may have a national army. All the other sides will not. One side will have a national government. All the other sides will not.

To see you need to give up your obvious, and misplaced prejudices. Will you?

The CSA was never a nation. It was a Southern Fantasy and is tripe at best. It's time to give up the "lost cause" and all that. It was a bunch of states rebelling. That's all it was.

[Orion Rules]

A war between two governments was the War Between the States, aka, the Second Revolutionary War, to end feral rule's occupation!

Occupation being conducted upon another nation. The War Between the States was for rules of laws found in the Articles of Confederation.

Thomas Jefferson worked to end slavery, while it continued upon the writing of the U.S. Constitution. As slavery left, it remained.

The money system of debt borrowers is of the world. The financial crises are all 'fixed'. The United States has suffered recessions, brought on by money buys.

Rich to poor, what has been undermined is the middle class. No matter which political party rules. A civil war, has it been hoped for, when there are to be no more wars?

Just seems the political establishment is collapsing, because it failed the test of time to contribute towards much else. The people were being engineered to accept less.