81% Support the Green New Deal

[IMPress Polly]

Republicans seem to think they have a winning campaign issue in the existence of substantial Democratic support for the Green New Deal, but they might want to re-evaluate that assessment. According to a December survey of the public on the Green New Deal, 81% of Americans either strongly or moderately support such a policy, including 64% of Republicans! (https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/421765-poll-majorities-of-both-parties-support-green-new-deal)

The survey explained to readers that the Green New Deal was a policy proposal that aimed to generate 100% of the nation's electricity from clean, renewable sources within the next 10 years and provide full employment by upgrading the nation's energy grid, buildings, and transportation infrastructure, increasing energy efficiency, investing in green technology research and development, and providing training for jobs in the new green economy. In order to avoid injecting partisan biases into the calculations of the surveyed, the poll did not mention which party or activists were backing the proposal, as "Other research has shown that people evaluate policies more negatively when they are told it is backed by politicians from an opposing political party. Conversely, people evaluate the same policy more positively when told it is backed by politicians from their own party," the poll-takers wrote in a blog post explaining the results. In other words, any subsequent poll showing lower support than this among Republicans will probably only indicate as much because it is now common knowledge that the Green New Deal is associated with the Democratic Party, NOT because average Republicans legitimately oppose the Green New Deal as a policy goal on principle.

It's not that the average American is as passionate about this policy as progressive activists are -- the poll found that only 40% "strongly support" the Green New Deal, while an additional 41% said that they "somewhat support" it (http://climatecommunication.yale.edu/publications/the-green-new-deal-has-strong-bipartisan-support/) -- but the point is that these ideas fundamentally enjoy a great deal of public support and Republicans using this as their big foil in 2020 might go down about as well as their 2018 campaign against "the violent left" and the "socialism" of Nancy Pelosi did, whereupon they lost 40 seats in the House of Representatives. The average American may not, in fact, see the climate issue as the crisis that most Democratic-leaning and left wing people do, but they're not affirmatively opposed to taking bold action to arrest it like conservatives seem to believe either.

[Common]

Polly if you believe this and I mean that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I will sell you for peanuts

Its simply not true

[IMPress Polly]

Polly if you believe this and I mean that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I will sell you for peanuts

Its simply not true
I produced poll results. What evidence do you have to counter that?

[DGUtley]

It's kind of like a poll that asks: Do you support making everybody pretty?

The ones that are pretty are going to say no, the ones that are semi-pretty are going to say no, and everybody else will support it in one way or the other -- until they find out what they are giving up and spending.

[IMPress Polly]

It's kind of like a poll that asks: Do you support making everybody pretty?

The ones that are pretty are going to say no, the ones that are semi-pretty are going to say no, and everybody else will support it in one way or the other -- until they find out what they are giving up and spending.
Nope, the poll explaining that the Green New Deal was a set of policy goals that aimed to generate 100% of the nation's electricity from clean, renewable sources within the next 10 years and provide full employment by upgrading the nation's energy grid, buildings, and transportation infrastructure, increasing energy efficiency, investing in green technology research and development, and providing training for jobs in the new green economy. The fact is that those are mostly ideas the public supports, like it or not. That's what these results suggest.

[stjames1_53]

I produced poll results. What evidence do you have to counter that?

The first question I ask is how much does it cost?
The second question is where is the money going to come from?
Now to the primary question. What energy source is there that doesn't generate some pollution? Nuclear energy produce very toxic waste. Solar is not efficient enough and it produced a whole mess of toxic waste to produce the panels. Wind turbines are not nearly efficient enough to produce what is required.
the green new deal also demands that every building be destroyed or redesigned to accomplish this.
The Green New Deal also includes total "repairs" to all minorities.
So again, How much does it cost and where will the dollars come from?

[Common]

I produced poll results. What evidence do you have to counter that?
There are different kinds of Polls Polly some are just cut and dried others are to say the least complicated and convoluted.

For example a Poll that asks, Do you Love President Trump or Hate President Trump, that poll you could pretty much believe it has validity.

When you have a Poll Like the Green New deal thats relatively new and most all people are clueless what it really is, what it really contains what it really does and HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST and what they would have to do to working americans to pay for it.

So if you ask that question and many people believe only that it contains a good job for EVERYONE which we know is impossible. That it contains a living wage for EVERYONE, and medicare for all and a laundry list of free stuff, until they know the truth they will say yes.

Most people in that poll im betting only heard one thing about the green new deal. TAX THE RICH 70%

When the truth comes out we wont have to worry about what the people say, congress democrats and republicans alike will understand its just stupidly impossible

[DGUtley]

Nope, the poll explaining that the Green New Deal was a set of policy goals that aimed to generate 100% of the nation's electricity from clean, renewable sources within the next 10 years and provide full employment by upgrading the nation's energy grid, buildings, and transportation infrastructure, increasing energy efficiency, investing in green technology research and development, and providing training for jobs in the new green economy. The fact is that those are mostly ideas the public supports, like it or not. That's what these results suggest.

Yep. I read the article. They didn't mention in the article the jobs displacement, the neighborhood displacements, the economic upheaval, the debt, moving people back to the cities, the destruction of certain industries and other costs associated with this (like the bridge to Hawaii and Puerto Rico). In other words: Do you support making everybody pretty?

[Common]

Yep. I read the article. They didn't mention in the article the jobs displacement, the neighborhood displacements, the economic upheaval, the debt, moving people back to the cities, the destruction of certain industries and other costs associated with this (like the bridge to Hawaii and Puerto Rico). In other words: Do you support making everybody pretty?
Or banning of cow farts or Everyone Gets a living wage job, abolish ice, open borders.

The thing is absolutel idiocy

[stjames1_53]

There are different kinds of Polls Polly some are just cut and dried others are to say the least complicated and convoluted.

For example a Poll that asks, Do you Love President Trump or Hate President Trump, that poll you could pretty much believe it has validity.

When you have a Poll Like the Green New deal thats relatively new and most all people are clueless what it really is, what it really contains what it really does and HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST and what they would have to do to working americans to pay for it.

So if you ask that question and many people believe only that it contains a good job for EVERYONE which we know is impossible. That it contains a living wage for EVERYONE, and medicare for all and a laundry list of free stuff, until they know the truth they will say yes.

Most people in that poll im betting only heard one thing about the green new deal. TAX THE RICH 70%

When the truth comes out we wont have to worry about what the people say, congress democrats and republicans alike will understand its just stupidly impossible
Another point would be to ask them if they have read the entire bill. If they haven't read it, how would they know?
This sounds an awful lot like Obamacare. You can't read it until you pass it.

[countryboy]

Republicans seem to think they have a winning campaign issue in the existence of substantial Democratic support for the Green New Deal, but they might want to re-evaluate that assessment. According to a December survey of the public on the Green New Deal, 81% of Americans either strongly or moderately support such a policy, including 64% of Republicans! (https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/421765-poll-majorities-of-both-parties-support-green-new-deal)

The survey explained to readers that the Green New Deal was a policy proposal that aimed to generate 100% of the nation's electricity from clean, renewable sources within the next 10 years and provide full employment by upgrading the nation's energy grid, buildings, and transportation infrastructure, increasing energy efficiency, investing in green technology research and development, and providing training for jobs in the new green economy. In order to avoid injecting partisan biases into the calculations of the surveyed, the poll did not mention which party or activists were backing the proposal, as "Other research has shown that people evaluate policies more negatively when they are told it is backed by politicians from an opposing political party. Conversely, people evaluate the same policy more positively when told it is backed by politicians from their own party," the poll-takers wrote in a blog post explaining the results. In other words, any subsequent poll showing lower support than this among Republicans will probably only indicate as much because it is now common knowledge that the Green New Deal is associated with the Democratic Party, NOT because average Republicans legitimately oppose the Green New Deal as a policy goal on principle.

It's not that the average American is as passionate about this policy as progressive activists are -- the poll found that only 40% "strongly support" the Green New Deal, while an additional 41% said that they "somewhat support" it (http://climatecommunication.yale.edu/publications/the-green-new-deal-has-strong-bipartisan-support/) -- but the point is that these ideas fundamentally enjoy a great deal of public support and Republicans using this as their big foil in 2020 might go down about as well as their 2018 campaign against "the violent left" and the "socialism" of Nancy Pelosi did, whereupon they lost 40 seats in the House of Representatives. The average American may not, in fact, see the climate issue as the crisis that most Democratic-leaning and left wing people do, but they're not affirmatively opposed to taking bold action to arrest it like conservatives seem to believe either.
Lol, a poll of 966 liberals says so. Some people will believe anything.

Let's try asking these same libs if they would support The Green Nude Eel if they knew their taxes would have to be 103%. I am betting the results would be drastically different.

[MMC]

The survey (http://climatecommunication.yale.edu/publications/the-green-new-deal-has-strong-bipartisan-support/) conducted by the Yale Program on Climate Communication and the George Mason University Center for Climate Change Communication found that 92 percent of Democrats and 64 percent of Republicans back the Green New Deal plan.


The organizations behind the poll explained poll-takers avoided mentioning to respondents which representatives were backing the New Green Deal to prevent injecting bias.


Progressive Democrats like Rep.-elect Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (https://thehill.com/people/alexandria-ocasio-cortez) (N.Y.) and Rep. John Lewis (https://thehill.com/people/john-lewis) (Ga.) are some of the loudest voices behind the idea, which has been backed by only Democratic lawmakers back so far.....snip~



:laugh:

[donttread]

Republicans seem to think they have a winning campaign issue in the existence of substantial Democratic support for the Green New Deal, but they might want to re-evaluate that assessment. According to a December survey of the public on the Green New Deal, 81% of Americans either strongly or moderately support such a policy, including 64% of Republicans! (https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/421765-poll-majorities-of-both-parties-support-green-new-deal)

The survey explained to readers that the Green New Deal was a policy proposal that aimed to generate 100% of the nation's electricity from clean, renewable sources within the next 10 years and provide full employment by upgrading the nation's energy grid, buildings, and transportation infrastructure, increasing energy efficiency, investing in green technology research and development, and providing training for jobs in the new green economy. In order to avoid injecting partisan biases into the calculations of the surveyed, the poll did not mention which party or activists were backing the proposal, as "Other research has shown that people evaluate policies more negatively when they are told it is backed by politicians from an opposing political party. Conversely, people evaluate the same policy more positively when told it is backed by politicians from their own party," the poll-takers wrote in a blog post explaining the results. In other words, any subsequent poll showing lower support than this among Republicans will probably only indicate as much because it is now common knowledge that the Green New Deal is associated with the Democratic Party, NOT because average Republicans legitimately oppose the Green New Deal as a policy goal on principle.

It's not that the average American is as passionate about this policy as progressive activists are -- the poll found that only 40% "strongly support" the Green New Deal, while an additional 41% said that they "somewhat support" it (http://climatecommunication.yale.edu/publications/the-green-new-deal-has-strong-bipartisan-support/) -- but the point is that these ideas fundamentally enjoy a great deal of public support and Republicans using this as their big foil in 2020 might go down about as well as their 2018 campaign against "the violent left" and the "socialism" of Nancy Pelosi did, whereupon they lost 40 seats in the House of Representatives. The average American may not, in fact, see the climate issue as the crisis that most Democratic-leaning and left wing people do, but they're not affirmatively opposed to taking bold action to arrest it like conservatives seem to believe either.

I have a very hard time believing that this poll can be accurate.

[Chris]

The poll failed to explain the costs giving the impression it's all free.

I don't doubt that most people want what the GND promises. It's like asking people do you want to eliminate poverty. The hard question is the means and costs of achieving such goals.

[Green Arrow]

There are different kinds of Polls Polly some are just cut and dried others are to say the least complicated and convoluted.

For example a Poll that asks, Do you Love President Trump or Hate President Trump, that poll you could pretty much believe it has validity.

When you have a Poll Like the Green New deal thats relatively new and most all people are clueless what it really is, what it really contains what it really does and HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST and what they would have to do to working americans to pay for it.

So if you ask that question and many people believe only that it contains a good job for EVERYONE which we know is impossible. That it contains a living wage for EVERYONE, and medicare for all and a laundry list of free stuff, until they know the truth they will say yes.

Most people in that poll im betting only heard one thing about the green new deal. TAX THE RICH 70%

When the truth comes out we wont have to worry about what the people say, congress democrats and republicans alike will understand its just stupidly impossible

It’s only 14 pages. You can read it right now and probably only take an hour.

[Green Arrow]

Another point would be to ask them if they have read the entire bill. If they haven't read it, how would they know?
This sounds an awful lot like Obamacare. You can't read it until you pass it.

Have you read the whole bill? Unlike Obamacare it’s only 14 pages.

[Green Arrow]

The poll failed to explain the costs giving the impression it's all free.

I don't doubt that most people want what the GND promises. It's like asking people do you want to eliminate poverty. The hard question is the means and costs of achieving such goals.

For the most part it is, considering 99% of it is just saying, “This needs to be the policy priority of the U.S. over the next ten years.” Any bills providing actual proposals to meet each policy point of the GND would come after.

It’s a 14 page bill.

[Ethereal]

Obviously, people support vague notions of "renewable energy" and the like. But that in no way proves or even implies that they support the "Green New Deal" specifically.

Because if you actually read the poll question, you'll see that they did not include any real specifics about HOW the GND will be implemented. It neglects to mention, for example, that the GND will require a massive increase in taxes and regulations on conventional energy sources.

No doubt, if people were actually given DETAILS instead of vague references to "increasing energy efficiency", the poll results would be much different.

[stjames1_53]

Have you read the whole bill? Unlike Obamacare it’s only 14 pages.

I've read what's available to the public. What bothered me the most was the section about "repairing" minorities.
But the real question remains, how is going to be paid for and how much is it really going to cost.
Remember, the push is to have all of it done in ten years. It is a foolish notion and rife with problems.
I wouldn't sign it because it doesn't give points like how its going to be accomplished. What new energy source has science discovered that can convert our present source without sacrificing everything else?
It appears more like a Christmas wish list than anything else.

[Chris]

For the most part it is, considering 99% of it is just saying, “This needs to be the policy priority of the U.S. over the next ten years.” Any bills providing actual proposals to meet each policy point of the GND would come after.

It’s a 14 page bill.


And the cost? There are several estimates.

[Ethereal]

Nope, the poll explaining that the Green New Deal was a set of policy goals that aimed to generate 100% of the nation's electricity from clean, renewable sources within the next 10 years and provide full employment by upgrading the nation's energy grid, buildings, and transportation infrastructure, increasing energy efficiency, investing in green technology research and development, and providing training for jobs in the new green economy. The fact is that those are mostly ideas the public supports, like it or not. That's what these results suggest.

The poll describes the lofty goals of the GND, yet neglects to describe how those goals will be implemented specifically.

So the poll respondents can be said to support the goals of the GND, but there is no basis for claiming that they support the GND's actual implementation.

[Green Arrow]

And the cost? There are several estimates.

The bill itself will cost around $2 trillion over ten years because of the environmental regulations it proposes. As for the rest, it’s impossible to tell without seeing the individual proposals that will have to be debated and enacted to actually meet the policy priorities outlined in the GND.

[Green Arrow]

I've read what's available to the public. What bothered me the most was the section about "repairing" minorities.
But the real question remains, how is going to be paid for and how much is it really going to cost.
Remember, the push is to have all of it done in ten years. It is a foolish notion and rife with problems.
I wouldn't sign it because it doesn't give points like how its going to be accomplished. What new energy source has science discovered that can convert our present source without sacrificing everything else?
It appears more like a Christmas wish list than anything else.

That is exactly what it is. And “what is available to the public” is the whole bill.

[MisterVeritis]

The bill itself will cost around $2 trillion over ten years because of the environmental regulations it proposes. As for the rest, it’s impossible to tell without seeing the individual proposals that will have to be debated and enacted to actually meet the policy priorities outlined in the GND.
A hundred trillion is more likely.

[Cletus]

Nope, the poll explaining that the Green New Deal was a set of policy goals that aimed to generate 100% of the nation's electricity from clean, renewable sources within the next 10 years and provide full employment by upgrading the nation's energy grid, buildings, and transportation infrastructure, increasing energy efficiency, investing in green technology research and development, and providing training for jobs in the new green economy. The fact is that those are mostly ideas the public supports, like it or not. That's what these results suggest.


Your approach is just dishonest. You really should be ashamed and embarrassed.

I have little doubt the vast majority of Americans would support the general ideas put forth in your post. It is the particulars that have been put forth of how to enact such a program that every thinking man, woman, and child in the country would oppose.

The way you posed it is like asking if people would support curing cancer. Of course, the majority will support that. It is when the proposal to cure it is to identify people who are high risk of cancer and shoot them in the back of the head that people start to object to the idea.

[The Xl]

I'd love to see tyrannical and hypocritical Republicans cry and moan in the event that the green new deal gets passed. Would be immensely entertaining.

[MisterVeritis]

I'd love to see tyrannical and hypocritical Republicans cry and moan in the event that the green new deal gets passed. Would be immensely entertaining.
It would end the nation.

[Hoosier8]

Republicans seem to think they have a winning campaign issue in the existence of substantial Democratic support for the Green New Deal, but they might want to re-evaluate that assessment. According to a December survey of the public on the Green New Deal, 81% of Americans either strongly or moderately support such a policy, including 64% of Republicans! (https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/421765-poll-majorities-of-both-parties-support-green-new-deal)

The survey explained to readers that the Green New Deal was a policy proposal that aimed to generate 100% of the nation's electricity from clean, renewable sources within the next 10 years and provide full employment by upgrading the nation's energy grid, buildings, and transportation infrastructure, increasing energy efficiency, investing in green technology research and development, and providing training for jobs in the new green economy. In order to avoid injecting partisan biases into the calculations of the surveyed, the poll did not mention which party or activists were backing the proposal, as "Other research has shown that people evaluate policies more negatively when they are told it is backed by politicians from an opposing political party. Conversely, people evaluate the same policy more positively when told it is backed by politicians from their own party," the poll-takers wrote in a blog post explaining the results. In other words, any subsequent poll showing lower support than this among Republicans will probably only indicate as much because it is now common knowledge that the Green New Deal is associated with the Democratic Party, NOT because average Republicans legitimately oppose the Green New Deal as a policy goal on principle.

It's not that the average American is as passionate about this policy as progressive activists are -- the poll found that only 40% "strongly support" the Green New Deal, while an additional 41% said that they "somewhat support" it (http://climatecommunication.yale.edu/publications/the-green-new-deal-has-strong-bipartisan-support/) -- but the point is that these ideas fundamentally enjoy a great deal of public support and Republicans using this as their big foil in 2020 might go down about as well as their 2018 campaign against "the violent left" and the "socialism" of Nancy Pelosi did, whereupon they lost 40 seats in the House of Representatives. The average American may not, in fact, see the climate issue as the crisis that most Democratic-leaning and left wing people do, but they're not affirmatively opposed to taking bold action to arrest it like conservatives seem to believe either.

https://youtu.be/MoziALuwbtg

[MMC]

The poll surveyed 966 registered voters and has a margin of error of +/- 3 percentage points.....snip~

[Jeb!]

Not even 20% support the Green New Deal. If that were the case, they wouldn't have changed the details.

[donttread]

The poll failed to explain the costs giving the impression it's all free.

I don't doubt that most people want what the GND promises. It's like asking people do you want to eliminate poverty. The hard question is the means and costs of achieving such goals.



Sad that they wouldn't assume a cost but given the voting public also likely.

[slackercruster]

Polly if you believe this and I mean that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I will sell you for peanuts

Its simply not true

Time will tell. We will have to see how 2020 works out.

[jimmyz]

I'd love to see tyrannical and hypocritical Republicans cry and moan in the event that the green new deal gets passed. Would be immensely entertaining.

Can you afford a Tesla?
What is your heater running on right now? Gas or fuel oil? Can you afford to gut that equipment and replace it?

The Prog/Greens are all fine with the GND until they're asked to pay for it personally.

[The Xl]

Can you afford a Tesla?
What is your heater running on right now? Gas or fuel oil? Can you afford to gut that equipment and replace it?

The Prog/Greens are all fine with the GND until they're asked to pay for it personally.

Don't get it twisted, I'm well aware that what the radical leftists support is unfeasible. But make no mistake, the neocons aren't any better. And they're on my shit list for being hypocritical tyrants. So I'm gonna enjoy watching them cry and bitch over what's on the way.

[jimmyz]

Don't get it twisted, I'm well aware that what the radical leftists support is unfeasible. But make no mistake, the neocons aren't any better. And they're on my shit list for being hypocritical tyrants. So I'm gonna enjoy watching them cry and bitch over what's on the way.

You say it's "unfeasible" and then "on its way" in the same post contradicting yourself. Maybe you meant to say "coming up for debate soon"?

[The Xl]

You say it's "unfeasible" and then "on its way" in the same post contradicting yourself. Maybe you meant to say "coming up for debate soon"?
The execution of it ultimately will be unfeasible. Doesn't mean they're not gonna try though.

[Tahuyaman]

81% Support the Green New Deal
That's absolutely absurd.

[Tahuyaman]

I produced poll results. What evidence do you have to counter that?
Common sense and a firm grasp of reality.

[DGUtley]

Can you afford a Tesla? What is your heater running on right now? Gas or fuel oil? Can you afford to gut that equipment and replace it? The Prog/Greens are all fine with the GND until they're asked to pay for it personally.

I know -- let's tax the rich to pay for it?

[Tahuyaman]

I know -- let's tax the rich to pay for it?

What happens when you run out of rich people to tax? Plus, how do you define the rich?

[Peter1469]

Even if supported, it could not be done in 10 years. And there is zero way to pay for it;

A-OC’s Green New Deal scheme will cost $93T (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-25/group-sees-ocasio-cortez-s-green-new-deal-costing-93-trillion)

[Abby08]

I'd love to see tyrannical and hypocritical Republicans cry and moan in the event that the green new deal gets passed. Would be immensely entertaining.

You want it to pass, just to spite people?

You'd have to live with it, too, ya know.

[Tahuyaman]

Can you afford a Tesla?
What is your heater running on right now? Gas or fuel oil? Can you afford to gut that equipment and replace it?

The Prog/Greens are all fine with the GND until they're asked to pay for it personally.

What does a Tesla cost? My furnace, heat pump and water heater run on electricity. All have been replaced within the last three years. I don’t want to do it again any time soon.

[Tahuyaman]

You want it to pass, just to spite people?

You'd have to live with it, too, ya know.
Pettiness. Too many people are in that camp now.

[Tahuyaman]

I'll bet 81% of the people polled would love to live in a perfect world, but they know that is not possible nor can you tax your way to a perfect world.

[The Xl]

You want it to pass, just to spite people?

You'd have to live with it, too, ya know.

I think we're pretty fucked whether we go further right or further left, so the end destination is gonna be the same either way. And the more both parties implode, the more likely it is third parties make noise, and hopefully they're different than the two parties that dominate currently.

[The Xl]

Pettiness. Too many people are in that camp now.
Pettiness? I mean, I'd be lying if it wasn't part that. But it's not just that, not by a long shot. I believe the establishment right is just as authoritarian and destructive, so it's certainly not cutting off my nose to spite my face.

[stjames1_53]

Pettiness? I mean, I'd be lying if it wasn't part that. But it's not just that, not by a long shot. I believe the establishment right is just as authoritarian and destructive, so it's certainly not cutting off my nose to spite my face.

oh boo wa wa.................Trump isn't planning on spending 93 trillion dollars for an unicorn's dream and you know it.
How are we going to pay for this in ten years? Tax everyone 85%? maybe 90%?
Are you willing to pay for something that isn't going to affect what the planet is doing on its own?
Do you really think man is so fricking great and omnipotent that we can actually convince the planet to stop it evolutionary process?
BTW, what's Gia's bank account number?

[Peter1469]

Also, the concept that destroying all buildings and infrastructure in order to replace them with new environmentally friendly buildings and infrastructure would create jobs and is good for the economy, is an extreme example of the broken window fallacy.

[Captdon]

Republicans seem to think they have a winning campaign issue in the existence of substantial Democratic support for the Green New Deal, but they might want to re-evaluate that assessment. According to a December survey of the public on the Green New Deal, 81% of Americans either strongly or moderately support such a policy, including 64% of Republicans! (https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/421765-poll-majorities-of-both-parties-support-green-new-deal)

The survey explained to readers that the Green New Deal was a policy proposal that aimed to generate 100% of the nation's electricity from clean, renewable sources within the next 10 years and provide full employment by upgrading the nation's energy grid, buildings, and transportation infrastructure, increasing energy efficiency, investing in green technology research and development, and providing training for jobs in the new green economy. In order to avoid injecting partisan biases into the calculations of the surveyed, the poll did not mention which party or activists were backing the proposal, as "Other research has shown that people evaluate policies more negatively when they are told it is backed by politicians from an opposing political party. Conversely, people evaluate the same policy more positively when told it is backed by politicians from their own party," the poll-takers wrote in a blog post explaining the results. In other words, any subsequent poll showing lower support than this among Republicans will probably only indicate as much because it is now common knowledge that the Green New Deal is associated with the Democratic Party, NOT because average Republicans legitimately oppose the Green New Deal as a policy goal on principle.

It's not that the average American is as passionate about this policy as progressive activists are -- the poll found that only 40% "strongly support" the Green New Deal, while an additional 41% said that they "somewhat support" it (http://climatecommunication.yale.edu/publications/the-green-new-deal-has-strong-bipartisan-support/) -- but the point is that these ideas fundamentally enjoy a great deal of public support and Republicans using this as their big foil in 2020 might go down about as well as their 2018 campaign against "the violent left" and the "socialism" of Nancy Pelosi did, whereupon they lost 40 seats in the House of Representatives. The average American may not, in fact, see the climate issue as the crisis that most Democratic-leaning and left wing people do, but they're not affirmatively opposed to taking bold action to arrest it like conservatives seem to believe either.

Right up to they see the 93 trillion dollar price tag. Even most elected Dems don't support it. Pplly. you must think most voters are stupid. They aren't.

[Green Arrow]

Also, the concept that destroying all buildings and infrastructure in order to replace them with new environmentally friendly buildings and infrastructure would create jobs and is good for the economy, is an extreme example of the broken window fallacy.
Retrofitting does not require destroying buildings in almost any case.

[MMC]

Pelosi Continues to Criticize Green New Deal: 'Not What We Hope to Achieve'.....


House Speaker Pelosi (D-CA) cast more shade on the Green New Deal resolution in an interview with Rolling Stone which was published Wednesday. Pelosi was featured on the cover of the magazine with the resolution’s sponsor, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY).


"Now, in terms of the Green New Deal [as conceived], that goes beyond what our charge is,” Pelosi said (https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/nancy-pelosi-trump-interview-797209/) in the interview. “Our charge is about saving the planet. They have in there things like single-payer and … what is it? Guaranteed income?"


"And then they have, I don’t know if it’s single-payer or Medicare for All," Pelosi continued. "It’s kind of, like, a broader agenda. All good values, but nonetheless, not what we hope to achieve with this focused, determined, decision-making: You’re either for the planet or you are not. There is no ‘plan B' for the planet. We have to preserve it, and it is in great jeopardy."



In terms of what actions Pelosi would like to see on climate change, she argued for a more focused and gradual approach.


“In any event, to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels, we have to put a price on coal, on carbon,” she said. “It might be a carbon tax. We’ll see, but that’s the reason you have hearings and see what’s possible, what the market will be, what the private sector is willing to invest in, what is working in some other countries, and what we can do working together.”....snip~


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/laurettabrown/2019/02/27/pelosi-continues-to-criticize-green-new-deal-not-what-we-hope-to-achieve-n2542325



In other words.....The Occasional Cortex's Green New Deal. Just isn't the deal

[stjames1_53]

Retrofitting does not require destroying buildings in almost any case.

How many years have you spent in residential and commercial building and remodeling?

[Green Arrow]

How many years have you spent in residential and commercial building and remodeling?

How many have you spent in that field?

[Peter1469]

Retrofitting does not require destroying buildings in almost any case.
In cities, the below ground infrastructure couldn't be turned into modern enviro-friendly without removing the buildings on top.