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Peter1469
02-28-2019, 10:27 AM
Hispanic votes gave Trump the win in 2016 and may do it again in 2020 (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/02/24/2020-hispanic-voters-donald-trump-225192)

I would imagine that those born here or naturalized here resent the cheaters.


When President Donald Trump tweeted, on January 20, that he had reached 50 percent approval (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1086987568074424320) among Hispanic-Americans, most fair-minded observers reacted with skepticism, if not outright disbelief. Trump was, after all, still the same man who announced his candidacy by accusing Mexico of sending “rapists” across the border, the same man who ordered refugee children separated from their parents, the same man who has made building a wall to shut out migrants the focal point of his presidency. Yet here he was, crowing characteristic bravado: “Wow, just heard that my poll numbers with Hispanics has gone up 19%, to 50%. That is because they know the Border issue better than anyone, and they want Security, which can only be gotten with a Wall.”

So, when even the pollsters responsible for the data Trump was touting—Marist Institute for Public Opinion, for NPR and "PBS NewsHour"—cautioned of the high margin of error for that subset, and a possible over-sampling of Republicans, many on the left promptly dismissed it as an anomaly.



One month later, however, and Trump is making an aggressive play for Hispanic-American votes in Florida and beyond. Meanwhile, polls suggest Marist might have been onto something—and that Democrats should be worried that Hispanic voters could help reelect Trump and keep the Senate in Republican control. If so, it would be a cosmic twist of fate: A party that has staked its future on a belief that America’s demographic picture is changing decidedly in its favor could find itself losing to a man whose politics of fear should be driving precisely those voters into the Democrats’ waiting arms.


In theory, the rosy predictions that once gave rise to chest-beating liberal books like “The Emerging Democratic Majority” are proving true: 2020 will be the first U.S. election in which Hispanics make up the largest racial or ethnic minority in the electorate, according to the Pew Research Center. Pew estimates that 32 million Hispanics will be eligible to vote—a full 2 million more than eligible black voters and more than 13 percent of the electorate. Hispanics figure to constitute at least 11 percent of the national vote, as they did in 2016 and 2018.


Many expected Hispanics to vote overwhelmingly against Trump in 2016. A Latino Decisions poll conducted just before the 2016 presidential election found Trump had the support of just 18 percent of Hispanics. But the actual figure was 28 percent, which—given Trump’s incendiary rhetoric about immigrants—some analysts and pundits refused to believe from exit polls until further studies confirmed it. That was just as good as Mitt Romney, as the 2012 Republican nominee, did with Hispanics—and it was enough to help Trump squeak an Electoral College victory.
If Hillary Clinton had improved her share of the Hispanic vote by just 3 percentage points in Florida (from 62 percent to 65 percent of the Hispanic vote) and Michigan (from 59 percent to 62 percent), she would have won both states and their combined 45 Electoral College votes. That would have been enough to make her president. Slightly bigger swings—let alone the Democrats’ 88 percent-8 percent margin among African-Americans—could have added Arizona, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin into the blue column as well.
Now, here’s the brutal truth for Democrats: If Hispanic Americans are in fact showing surging approval of Trump, he could be on his way to matching or exceeding the 40 percent won by George W. Bush in his 2004. If Trump does 12 percentage points better than his 2016 numbers with the growing Hispanic vote, it pretty much takes Florida, Arizona, Georgia and North Carolina off the table for Democrats, who would need to sweep Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin to reach the 270 electoral college votes needed to win the White House. At the same time, that 12-point shift would give Trump a clear shot at winning Colorado and Nevada, states where Hispanic voters make up well over 10 percent of the electorate and where Clinton won by 5 percentage points or less in 2016.
And if the Democratic path to the presidency looks hard without overwhelming Hispanic support, control of the Senate looks almost impossible. Any realistic scenario to gaining the necessary three seats—four if Trump retains the presidency—requires Democrats to defeat incumbents Cory Gardner in Colorado and Martha McSally in Arizona. Both states have higher than average Hispanic electorates. Gardner won his seat in 2014 by evenly splitting the Hispanic vote. McSally, who was just appointed to succeed John McCain, narrowly lost her 2018 race to Kyrsten Sinema by winning 30 percent of the Hispanic vote in her state. Any improvement among Hispanics for Republicans—or even just a lack of enthusiasm for turning out to vote against Trump—could easily return Gardner and McSally to the Senate and leave Democrats in the minority.



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Let’s take a closer look at the numbers.

Get those numbers at the link.

Safety
02-28-2019, 11:36 AM
I'd imagine as more and more hispanic citizens are profiled and harassed, they will think less of the "cheaters" and more of the asshole enabling their harassment.

alexa
02-28-2019, 12:41 PM
Hispanic votes gave Trump the win in 2016 and may do it again in 2020 (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/02/24/2020-hispanic-voters-donald-trump-225192)

I would imagine that those born here or naturalized here resent the cheaters.


Get those numbers at the link.

One can take any subset of voters and claim that those are the voters that put a candidate over the top.

As to 2020, there's a lot of ifs involved according to this opinion piece.


That doesn’t necessarily translate into votes, Lee Miringoff, director of the Marist Institute for Public Opinion. Despite that 50 percent approval rate, his poll found that only 27 percent of Hispanics said that they definitely plan to vote for Trump in 2020, with 58 percent definitely voting against him. Still, a definite 27 percent, if accurate, is equal to the percentage of Hispanic voters who chose Trump in 2016 (28 percent), or Mitt Romney over Barack Obama in 2012 (27 percent), or Republicans in the 2018 congressional midterms (29 percent).

So Trump polls basically the same as any other Republican candidate in the polls that count-elections.

I'd be surprised if Trump gets anything approaching 40% of the Hispanic vote, but we shall see.

Peter1469
02-28-2019, 01:55 PM
One can take any subset of voters and claim that those are the voters that put a candidate over the top.

As to 2020, there's a lot of ifs involved according to this opinion piece.



So Trump polls basically the same as any other Republican candidate in the polls that count-elections.

I'd be surprised if Trump gets anything approaching 40% of the Hispanic vote, but we shall see.
40% would be a lot of Hispanics running off the Dem plantation. At the top of GOP performance with that crowd.

alexa
02-28-2019, 02:03 PM
40% would be a lot of Hispanics running off the Dem plantation. At the top of GOP performance with that crowd.
Having wings would be cool too.

I'll let you know when that happens.

jimmyz
02-28-2019, 02:04 PM
Browns and blacks leaving their stables bothers Leftists because their attendance and participation in partisan voting blocks is illegitimate. I love real people waking up to their real value instead of their prescribed dictate based upon their skin color.

Peter1469
02-28-2019, 02:32 PM
Having wings would be cool too.

I'll let you know when that happens.
You'll be the first to know.

alexa
02-28-2019, 02:33 PM
You'll be the first to know.

Depends.

I like to sleep late sometimes.

Peter1469
02-28-2019, 02:41 PM
Depends.

I like to sleep late sometimes.
I will do my part.... :smiley:

alexa
02-28-2019, 02:47 PM
I will do my part.... :smiley:

I'm counting on it

Safety
02-28-2019, 02:52 PM
Yes, it's good for people to wake up to their real value rather than what their skin color dictates, and while we wait for that to happen, let's live by denigrating brown people in a caravan and praising racist, murdering, tiki torch assholes of "very fine people".

alexa
02-28-2019, 02:56 PM
Yes, it's good for people to wake up to their real value rather than what their skin color dictates, and while we wait for that to happen, let's live by denigrating brown people in a caravan and praising racist, murdering, tiki torch $#@!s of "very fine people".

Well, at least we know Mark Meadows isn't a racist nor a hypocrite.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At5zbmKZ0DM

Lummy
02-28-2019, 04:27 PM
... let's live by denigrating brown people in a caravan and praising racist, murdering, tiki torch $#@!s of "very fine people".

Okay. You start.

zachroidott
02-28-2019, 05:07 PM
Yes, it's good for people to wake up to their real value rather than what their skin color dictates, and while we wait for that to happen, let's live by denigrating brown people in a caravan and praising racist, murdering, tiki torch $#@!s of "very fine people".

Really? Okay.

Captdon
02-28-2019, 09:11 PM
I'd imagine as more and more hispanic citizens are profiled and harassed, they will think less of the "cheaters" and more of the $#@! enabling their harassment.

Twaddle.

Captdon
02-28-2019, 09:15 PM
Yes, it's good for people to wake up to their real value rather than what their skin color dictates, and while we wait for that to happen, let's live by denigrating brown people in a caravan and praising racist, murdering, tiki torch $#@!s of "very fine people".

Yea, let's let anyone in. Where were you when we were talking about real racism. You are always MIA then.