Trump ordered Kelly to approve Kushner's top-secret clearance: report

[Just AnotherPerson]

See more at the link https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-ordered-kelly-to-approve-kushners-top-secret-clearance-report-2019-02-28

Excerpt:


President Donald Trump ordered for his adviser and son-in-law, Jared Kushner, to be granted a top-secret security clearance last year despite warnings from intelligence officials, the New York Times reported (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/28/us/politics/jared-kushner-security-clearance.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage) Thursday. Citing multiple sources, the Times reported then-chief of staff John Kelly was directed by Trump to approve Kushner's clearance despite that opposition, and Kelly was so bothered by it that he wrote an internal memo detailing the order.

[Just AnotherPerson]

See more at link https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/reps-beyer-lieu-ask-mulvaney-to-immediately-revoke-kushners-security-clearance

Excerpt:

Democratic Reps. Donald S. Beyer of Virginia and Ted Lieu (https://www.rollcall.com/members?53696&utm_source=memberLink?utm_source=memberLink) of California sent a letter Thursday to acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney (https://www.rollcall.com/members?31499&utm_source=memberLink?utm_source=memberLink) asking him to immediately strip senior advisor Jared Kushner of his security clearance.

A recent NBC News report revealed that White House security specialists recommended Kushner, President Donald Trump’s son-in-law, not be approved for a top secret clearance, but they were overruled by their supervisor. The career specialists had expressed concerns about Kushner’s foreign ties and susceptibility to foreign influence.

“We urge you to immediately revoke the security clearance of Senior White House Advisor Jared Kushner, and to comply with past and future oversight requests from Congress related to security clearances, information security, and other matters of national security,” Beyer and Lieu wrote to Mulvaney


The Democrats cite the NBC News report as confirmation of concerns they’d been raising about Kushner since Trump took office.

“We raised these concerns in five separate letters to the Trump administration,” they said, citing dates of the letters spanning from April 13, 2017, to June 5, 2018.

[Just AnotherPerson]

A link for anyone interested in signing a petition to revoke kushners security clearance. I wont sign it but just posting for anyone who would like to.
https://act.winwithoutwar.org/act/revoke-jared-kushners-security-clearance_copy?source=tw

Excerpt:

News just broke that Donald Trump personally overrode intelligence experts to grant son-in-law Jared Kushner top-secret security clearance last year.

This news comes just two days after Kushner met with Saudi Crown prince Mohammad bin Salman.

Kushner could be passing top secret U.S. intelligence to foreign officials like MbS — and that's exactly the huge national security risk that risk specialists were afraid of when they recommended he be DENIED top secret clearance. But the White House gave it to him anyway. Now we know why — because Donald Trump ordered them to!

With this breaking news, and a House Oversight Committee launching an investigation, pressure on the White House is mounting

[MisterVeritis]

A link for anyone interested in signing a petition to revoke kushners security clearance. I wont sign it but just posting for anyone who would like to.
https://act.winwithoutwar.org/act/revoke-jared-kushners-security-clearance_copy?source=tw

Excerpt:

News just broke that Donald Trump personally overrode intelligence experts to grant son-in-law Jared Kushner top-secret security clearance last year.
This news comes just two days after Kushner met with Saudi Crown prince Mohammad bin Salman.
Kushner could be passing top secret U.S. intelligence to foreign officials like MbS — and that's exactly the huge national security risk that risk specialists were afraid of when they recommended he be DENIED top secret clearance. But the White House gave it to him anyway. Now we know why — because Donald Trump ordered them to!
With this breaking news, and a House Oversight Committee launching an investigation, pressure on the White House is mounting

There is nothing wrong with this.

[Just AnotherPerson]

There is nothing wrong with this.

MrV there is everything wrong with this. I do agree that his clearance should be revoked, and Trumps too. LoL. Wish in one hand though.

[MisterVeritis]

MrV there is everything wrong with this. I do agree that his clearance should be revoked, and Trumps too. LoL. Wish in one hand though.
Nope. The President is responsible for national security. If he trusts Jared that is sufficient. Kushner is working directly for and on behalf of Donald Trump.

[Just AnotherPerson]

Nope. The President is responsible for national security. If he trusts Jared that is sufficient. Kushner is working directly for and on behalf of Donald Trump.

Yes and working directly along side one of the largest terrorist nations on the planet Saudi Arabia, even trying to pass off to them nuclear technology. Yep nothing wrong with that picture.

[roadmaster]

I don't like or trust Kushner or his wife.

[Just AnotherPerson]

I don't like or trust Kushner or his wife.

Well said that is a gold star comment for sure!!!

25429

[Dr. Who]

There is nothing wrong with this.
There is if Kushner causes a breach in security and if he does, it will go right back to Trump. He won't be able to deflect the blame. Trump's nepotism may ultimately be his undoing, although if I were to pick a weakest link among his family members, it would be his loose-lipped son.

[Tahuyaman]

See more at the link https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-ordered-kelly-to-approve-kushners-top-secret-clearance-report-2019-02-28

Excerpt:


President Donald Trump ordered for his adviser and son-in-law, Jared Kushner, to be granted a top-secret security clearance last year despite warnings from intelligence officials, the New York Times reported (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/28/us/politics/jared-kushner-security-clearance.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage) Thursday. Citing multiple sources, the Times reported then-chief of staff John Kelly was directed by Trump to approve Kushner's clearance despite that opposition, and Kelly was so bothered by it that he wrote an internal memo detailing the order.



This is nothing. Why does anyone think this is remarkable in any way?

[Tahuyaman]

There is if Kushner causes a breach in security and if he does, it will go right back to Trump. He won't be able to deflect the blame. Trump's nepotism may ultimately be his undoing, although if I were to pick a weakest link among his family members, it would be his loose-lipped son.
Why would you assume he’s a security risk?

[pragmatic]

There is if Kushner causes a breach in security and if he does, it will go right back to Trump. He won't be able to deflect the blame. Trump's nepotism may ultimately be his undoing, although if I were to pick a weakest link among his family members, it would be his loose-lipped son.

Just a point to note....is there anything that Trump doesn't get blamed for??


Never been a fan of the fella. But don't think he is too concerned about taking heat over this one.

[Common Sense]

Why would you assume he’s a security risk?

The reason why Kushner poses a potential security risk is twofold. Unlike people with experience in government, Kushner has never had any security clearance until recently. Kushner also has a vast amount of connections, interests and dealings with a variety of people, groups and foreign individuals and entities, of which all must be vetted.

It seems that some of those contacts either can't be vetted properly, or some raise concerns. That's why some are concerned that Kushner has conflicts.

It seems perfectly legal for Trump to insist on his clearance, but it just becomes another questionable move on the part of Trump.

[pragmatic]

The reason why Kushner poses a potential security risk is twofold. Unlike people with experience in government, Kushner has never had any security clearance until recently. Kushner also has a vast amount of connections, interests and dealings with a variety of people, groups and foreign individuals and entities, of which all must be vetted.

It seems that some of those contacts either can't be vetted properly, or some raise concerns. That's why some are concerned that Kushner has conflicts.

It seems perfectly legal for Trump to insist on his clearance, but it just becomes another questionable move on the part of Trump.


Hard to argue with that point.

[Tahuyaman]

The reason why Kushner poses a potential security risk is twofold. Unlike people with experience in government, Kushner has never had any security clearance until recently. Kushner also has a vast amount of connections, interests and dealings with a variety of people, groups and foreign individuals and entities, of which all must be vetted.

It seems that some of those contacts either can't be vetted properly, or some raise concerns. That's why some are concerned that Kushner has conflicts.

It seems perfectly legal for Trump to insist on his clearance, but it just becomes another questionable move on the part of Trump.

None of which indicates he’s a security risk.

[Common Sense]

Just a point to note....is there anything that Trump doesn't get blamed for??


Never been a fan of the fella. But don't think he is too concerned about taking heat about this one.
To be fair, if Kushner was a security threat, Trump would be responsible for the consequences if he insisted on clearance when the intel community warned against it. Thats just obvious.

[Dr. Who]

Why would you assume he’s a security risk?
As has been suggested he has been involved in business dealings with a number of questionable individuals who are also implicated in or known associates of the Russian political apparatchik. Let's not be naive about the interrelationship between the ex-KGB, now Russian mob come Russian oligarchy and the Russian government. Kushner has never been a politician - he's an entrepreneur who has leveraged his family contacts/business relationships in the former Balkan territories of the former USSR to make a great deal of money, not necessarily in a way that would bear close scrutiny.

[Dr. Who]

Just a point to note....is there anything that Trump doesn't get blamed for??


Never been a fan of the fella. But don't think he is too concerned about taking heat over this one.
If he forced a security clearance that in the normal course of events would not have happened, no one but he is culpable in the event that Kushner spills the beans. Furthermore, Trump lied about his involvement in obtaining Kushner's security clearance.

[Common Sense]

None of which indicates he’s a security risk.
It doesn't indicate he's not either.

Security clearance isn't a right. It's the result of extensive vetting, not just someone vouching for you.

Obviously there are issues with Kushner's connections or a lack of information that concerns intelligence officials.

[Tahuyaman]

As has been suggested he has been involved in business dealings with a number of questionable individuals who are also implicated in or known associates of the Russian political apparatchik. Let's not be naive about the interrelationship between the ex-KGB, now Russian mob come Russian oligarchy and the Russian government. Kushner has never been a politician - he's an entrepreneur who has leveraged his family contacts/business relationships in the former Balkan territories of the former USSR to make a great deal of money, not necessarily in a way that would bear close scrutiny.
It’s been suggested. Well that does it.

[Tahuyaman]

It doesn't indicate he's not either.

Security clearance isn't a right. It's the result of extensive vetting, not just someone vouching for you.

Obviously there are issues with Kushner's connections or a lack of information that concerns intelligence officials.
Everyone at that level has connections and contacts.

The resistance types are in hyperdrive.

[Tahuyaman]

None of which indicates he’s a security risk.


It doesn't indicate he's not either.... you don’t sssume someone is security risk because there’s nothing which indicates he’s a security risk.

[roadmaster]

He is a security risk because he is not a right, in fact he is hard left. I don't understand nor want to rights that defend this person. What do you like about this person who has nothing in common with you. That is swaying Trump to be more liberal in his thinking.

[roadmaster]

I look at right like they approve of Schumer if he was working for Trump. What in the world is wrong with you.

[Beevee]

Nope. The President is responsible for national security. If he trusts Jared that is sufficient. Kushner is working directly for and on behalf of Donald Trump.

Quite right. To actually believe that and not that he is working for the country would certainly be your position.

[stjames1_53]

As has been suggested he has been involved in business dealings with a number of questionable individuals who are also implicated in or known associates of the Russian political apparatchik. Let's not be naive about the interrelationship between the ex-KGB, now Russian mob come Russian oligarchy and the Russian government. Kushner has never been a politician - he's an entrepreneur who has leveraged his family contacts/business relationships in the former Balkan territories of the former USSR to make a great deal of money, not necessarily in a way that would bear close scrutiny.

OMG...........you're starting to sound like Max........
THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING! THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING!

[hanger4]

To add a bit more clarity the original story from the NYT's said; .......... *In Mr. Kushner’s case, personnel division officials were divided about whether to grant him a top-secret clearance.* Also Kushner's clearance was Top Secret and not the highest of Top Secret SAP.

[Common Sense]

Everyone at that level has connections and contacts.

The resistance types are in hyperdrive.

I'm not sure John Kelly and the intelligence community would be considered the resistance.

Yes, everyone has contacts. However, Kushner has foreign business ties that may have raised concerns.

[Bo-4]

Yep, and both Donald and Ivanka LIED about it .. Surprise Surprise :rollseyes:


“Did you tell Gen. Kelly or anyone else in the White House to overrule security officials? The career veterans?” the Times asked the president.

“No, I don’t think I have the authority to do that,” Trump responded. “I’m not sure I do. But I wouldn’t, I wouldn’t do it. Jared’s a good — I was, I was never involved with his security. I know that he, you know, just from reading, I know that there was issues back and forth about security for numerous people, actually. But I don’t want to get involved in that stuff.”

Kushner and his wife, Trump’s daughter Ivanka, both stated in separate interviews that the president had played no role in the awarding of security clearances for the couple.


https://www.aol.com/article/news/2019/02/28/nyt-catches-trump-in-apparent-lie-about-kushners-clearance/23681034/ (https://www.aol.com/article/news/2019/02/28/nyt-catches-trump-in-apparent-lie-about-kushners-clearance/23681034/)

Comforting that Lil Jared is on a tour of wealthy murderous autocrats like Erdogan and MBS - Using our nations top secrets to line his family's pockets.

[Safety]

Insert Obama's name for Trump, and have it show him overriding the intelligence community's recommendation of granting a TS level clearance to one of his family members that was in his administration, and the right wing hacks participating in this thread would be howling and screaming bloody murder.

I fucking guarantee none of them would ever utter the words "I see nothing wrong with this" or "how they don't see it as a security risk".

Another instance of their hypocrisy noted and exposed.

[MisterVeritis]

Yes and working directly along side one of the largest terrorist nations on the planet Saudi Arabia, even trying to pass off to them nuclear technology. Yep nothing wrong with that picture.
How goofy.

[MisterVeritis]

I don't like or trust Kushner or his wife.
Fortunately, you are not the President.

[MisterVeritis]

There is if Kushner causes a breach in security and if he does, it will go right back to Trump. He won't be able to deflect the blame. Trump's nepotism may ultimately be his undoing, although if I were to pick a weakest link among his family members, it would be his loose-lipped son.
Kushner will be just as responsible for protecting national security information as Crooked Hillary was.

[Safety]

How goofy.
Fortunately, you are not the President.
Kushner will be just as responsible for protecting national security information as Crooked Hillary was.You are like a fat kid looking at cake, you don't care what you say or what happens, as long as you end up with the cake.

[MisterVeritis]

If he forced a security clearance that in the normal course of events would not have happened, no one but he is culpable in the event that Kushner spills the beans. Furthermore, Trump lied about his involvement in obtaining Kushner's security clearance.
We are assuming, for the sake of conversation, that the story is true. We don't know that it is. Nor does it matter. Kushner is not a "Comey" or a "McCabe", or a "Strzok", or a "Page". He is certainly not a "Crooked Hillary".

It will be fine.

[MisterVeritis]

It doesn't indicate he's not either.

Security clearance isn't a right. It's the result of extensive vetting, not just someone vouching for you.

Obviously there are issues with Kushner's connections or a lack of information that concerns intelligence officials.

It concerns the same people who have been executing this coup against President Trump these last several years.

[Safety]

We are assuming, for the sake of conversation, that the story is true. We don't know that it is. Nor does it matter. Kushner is not a "Comey" or a "McCabe", or a "Strzok", or a "Page". He is certainly not a "Crooked Hillary".

It will be fine.:roflmao:

[MisterVeritis]

To add a bit more clarity the original story from the NYT's said; .......... *In Mr. Kushner’s case, personnel division officials were divided about whether to grant him a top-secret clearance.* Also Kushner's clearance was Top Secret and not the highest of Top Secret SAP.
Special Access and Sensitive Compartmented are additional protections. One is read into programs as one has the need.

[Beevee]

Fortunately, you are not the President.

Fortunately for who? You? Why are you so convinced that Trump and his entourage put the interests of Americans before their own?

[MisterVeritis]

Insert Obama's name for Trump, and have it show him overriding the intelligence community's recommendation of granting a TS level clearance to one of his family members that was in his administration, and the right wing hacks participating in this thread would be howling and screaming bloody murder.

I fucking guarantee none of them would ever utter the words "I see nothing wrong with this" or "how they don't see it as a security risk".

Another instance of their hypocrisy noted and exposed.
I would object to temporary hires from the Muslim Brotherhood receiving any security clearance. I believe that happened under Obama. Trump loves this country. Obama doesn't.

[MisterVeritis]

You are like a fat kid looking at cake, you don't care what you say or what happens, as long as you end up with the cake.
What? No ice cream today?

[MisterVeritis]

Fortunately for who? You? Why are you so convinced that Trump and his entourage put the interests of Americans before their own?
Observation.

[Tahuyaman]

I'm not sure John Kelly and the intelligence community would be considered the resistance.

Yes, everyone has contacts. However, Kushner has foreign business ties that may have raised concerns.
Raised concerns with who? People who resent outsiders being in these positions?

[Bo-4]

I would object to temporary hires from the Muslim Brotherhood receiving any security clearance. I believe that happened under Obama. Trump loves this country. Obama doesn't.
Goofy as ever ain't ya MV? Coup Coup Ka Choo :D

[MisterVeritis]

Goofy as ever ain't ya MV? Coup Coup Ka Choo :D
It is true my "goofy" level remains essentially constant at near zero.

Your "goofy" level remains constant as well at around 75%. It is always good to see you do a drive-by posting.

[Safety]

I would object to temporary hires from the Muslim Brotherhood receiving any security clearance. I believe that happened under Obama. Trump loves this country. Obama doesn't.Translation: "I'm a hack."

[alexa]

Raised concerns with who? People who resent outsiders being in these positions?

People who are paying attention and aren't total hacks.

[Tahuyaman]

Goofy as ever ain't ya MV? Coup Coup Ka Choo :D

Such a brilliant contribution to the discussion.

[Tahuyaman]

People who are paying attention and aren't total hacks.Then that eliminates you.

[nathanbforrest45]

Goofy as ever ain't ya MV? Coup Coup Ka Choo :D
Ah, and now we hear from the Walrus.

[hanger4]

I find it rather amusing that those who poo pooed HRC's documented flaunting and breaching of security protocols are now up in arms that Kushner received a security clearance.

[Beevee]

Observation.

Then you must be so proud that the USA is now a criminal enterprise run by a mob boss at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave..

[alexa]

I find it funny as hell that cons whose heads would explode if Hillary gave a clearance to Chelsea's husband will defend this.

[Tahuyaman]

Then you must be so proud that the USA is now a criminal enterprise run by a mob boss at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave..
Hold it. I thought the KKK was being run for the White House?

[Tahuyaman]

I find it funny as hell that cons whose heads would explode if Hillary gave a clearance to Chelsea's husband will defend this.
What?

[hanger4]

What?The make-believe world of alexa. She believes the comparison of her posted assumptions to my posted facts is some sort of rebuttal.

[alexa]

The make-believe world of alexa. She believes the comparison of her posted assumptions to my posted facts is some sort of rebuttal.
Better than believing that what you post are facts.

[hanger4]

Better than believing that what you post are facts.What's not factual alexa ??
I find it rather amusing that those who poo pooed HRC's documented flaunting and breaching of security protocols are now up in arms that Kushner received a security clearance.

[nathanbforrest45]

The make-believe world of alexa. She believes the comparison of her posted assumptions to my posted facts is some sort of rebuttal.


You have to hand it to her, she doesn't say much but when she does she doesn't say much.

[stjames1_53]

I find it funny as hell that cons whose heads would explode if Hillary gave a clearance to Chelsea's husband will defend this.
So explain to us why Hildebeast still has her clearance when she's not even a government employee......

[stjames1_53]

I find it funny as hell that cons whose heads would explode if Hillary gave a clearance to Chelsea's husband will defend this.

Clinton was never in a postion to give clearance to anyone. That comes from NSA. That would have led to charges, no doubt

[stjames1_53]

Then you must be so proud that the USA is now a criminal enterprise run by a mob boss at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave..

How would you know? You don't live here and have no idea how it works.
We know. You thought we were electing the president of the world and you have some say in the matter.

[Beevee]

How would you know? You don't live here and have no idea how it works.
We know. You thought we were electing the president of the world and you have some say in the matter.

Snore.......

[nathanbforrest45]

Snore.......


Busy Body
Sticking your nose where it doesn't belong.

[Bo-4]

It is true my "goofy" level remains essentially constant at near zero.

Your "goofy" level remains constant as well at around 75%. It is always good to see you do a drive-by posting.

Missed me didn't ya? As did I miss Trumpling Deep State Coup conspiracy theories.

LIVE for that shit ;-)

[MisterVeritis]

I would object to temporary hires from the Muslim Brotherhood receiving any security clearance. I believe that happened under Obama. Trump loves this country. Obama doesn't.

Translation: "I'm a hack."
You should try harder. Are you an Islamonazi?

[MisterVeritis]

Then you must be so proud that the USA is now a criminal enterprise run by a mob boss at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave..
I admit I smiled. President Trump has changed that. You may have been thinking of the Obama regime. It is a common problem for the leftists. I wonder if there is a genetic component to being a leftist? It might explain the mechanism behind the dullard mindset. What do you think (I use the term think lightly)?

[Bo-4]

Ah, and now we hear from the Walrus.

What does John Bolton have to do with Kushner's security clearance? :cool2:

http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/7048/448/1600/354883/Bolton-Walrus.jpg

[MisterVeritis]

I find it funny as hell that cons whose heads would explode if Hillary gave a clearance to Chelsea's husband will defend this.
Fortunately, we will never know. The broken brained Crooked Hillary will never be the President.

[MisterVeritis]

Clinton was never in a postion to give clearance to anyone. That comes from NSA. That would have led to charges, no doubt
NSA?

Clearances attach to positions. Mine was granted by the DOD. If I recall correctly about a half dozen agencies have the authority to grant clearances for the information they generate.

[MisterVeritis]

Missed me didn't ya? As did I miss Trumpling Deep State Coup conspiracy theories.

LIVE for that shit ;-)
Sadly, I missed you. But, I do practice every day on a virtual range. My aim is improving.

[nathanbforrest45]

Sadly, I missed you. But, I do practice every day on a virtual range. My aim is improving.



:cheers::smiley_ROFLMAO::smiley_ROFLMAO::smiley_RO FLMAO:

[Beevee]

Busy Body
Sticking your nose where it doesn't belong.

Snore....

[Tahuyaman]

I find it funny as hell that cons whose heads would explode if Hillary gave a clearance to Chelsea's husband will defend this.
You mean this guy? Besides, did he ever hold a position in the state department where he needed a security clearance?

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/chelsea-clinton-foundation-marc-husband-230859

Marc Mezvinsky, Chelsea Clinton's husband, extended invitations to a Clinton Foundation poker event to rich Clinton supporters he was courting as investors in his hedge fund, according to the WikiLeaks documents. | Getty
Chelsea’s husband allegedly used foundation ties to boost hedge fundIn a hacked email, ex-Clinton aide Doug Band claims Marc Mezvinsky traded on family ties to help his fund.

[alexa]

So explain to us why Hildebeast still has her clearance when she's not even a government employee......

Hildebeast?

Are you 5 years old?

I guess President Trump, may all the angels bless his holy name and bluebirds of happiness fly out of his asshole, decided she should keep it.

As we've been told repeatedly, security clearances are within his purview.

Anything else?

[Tahuyaman]

So explain to us why Hildebeast still has her clearance when she's not even a government employee......
Plus she's a proven security risk. She's compromised.

[hanger4]

Hildebeast?Are you 5 years old?I guess President Trump, may all the angels bless his holy name and bluebirds of happiness fly out of his asshole, decided she should keep it.As we've been told repeatedly, security clearances are within his purview. Anything else?Still waiting for you to point out what not factual alexa;
I find it rather amusing that those who poo pooed HRC's documented flaunting and breaching of security protocols are now up in arms that Kushner received a security clearance.Or should I count you as a runner ??

[Safety]

I would object to temporary hires from the Muslim Brotherhood receiving any security clearance. I believe that happened under Obama. Trump loves this country. Obama doesn't.

You should try harder. Are you an Islamonazi?

No, Methodist.

[Safety]

Hildebeast?

Are you 5 years old?

I guess President Trump, may all the angels bless his holy name and bluebirds of happiness fly out of his asshole, decided she should keep it.

As we've been told repeatedly, security clearances are within his purview.

Anything else?

It's really rich coming from someone that has popcorn shits whenever someone calls Trump a bad name.

[pragmatic]

So explain to us why Hildebeast still has her clearance when she's not even a government employee......

Actually, don't believe she does.

Last year when Trump was threatening to remove Brennon's clearance....Hillary requested that hers be cancelled.

[Dr. Who]

We are assuming, for the sake of conversation, that the story is true. We don't know that it is. Nor does it matter. Kushner is not a "Comey" or a "McCabe", or a "Strzok", or a "Page". He is certainly not a "Crooked Hillary".

It will be fine.
Kushner is a financial honey badger - "he just don't care". That's the issue. When he wasn't privy to government secrets, if his activities were questionable, they were not security risks. If he shared information in order to gain advantage, it wasn't a matter of national security. People who have financial interactions with people who have a foot both in the financial and political world of powerful and antagonistic nations are a security risk. Greed is a powerful inducement. But you know that if your personal narrative about a career in intelligence is true.

[MisterVeritis]

Kushner is a financial honey badger - "he just don't care". That's the issue. When he wasn't privy to government secrets, if his activities were questionable, they were not security risks. If he shared information in order to gain advantage, it wasn't a matter of national security. People who have financial interactions with people who have a foot both in the financial and political world of powerful and antagonistic nations are a security risk. Greed is a powerful inducement. But you know that if your personal narrative about a career in intelligence is true.
Kushner came into his position from a position of great wealth. He has no need to compromise national security information for another dollar. He will be fine.

Shouldn't you be far more worried about the likes of Clinton, Pelosi, Schumer...they came to office and became enormously wealthy while in office.

[Dr. Who]

Kushner came into his position from a position of great wealth. He has no need to compromise national security information for another dollar. He will be fine.

Shouldn't you be far more worried about the likes of Clinton, Pelosi, Schumer...they came to office and became enormously wealthy while in office.
I have no use for Clinton et al, so that strawman is wasted on me.

[Just AnotherPerson]

Jared Kushner's team responds to report Trump 'ordered' security clearance for son-in-law

See more at the link https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/jared-kushners-team-responds-to-report-trump-ordered-security-clearance-for-son-in-law/ar-BBUdONg?ocid=spartanntp

Excerpt:


A spokesman for White House senior adviser Jared Kushner (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/chris-christie-in-new-book-accuses-jared-kushner-of-political-hit-job)'s attorney told Fox News Thursday that President Trump's son-in-law received a top-secret security clearance through "the regular process with no pressure from anyone," after The New York Times reported that Trump "ordered" then-White House Chief of Staff John Kelly (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/outgoing-chief-of-staff-john-kelly-to-be-honest-its-not-a-wall) to grant the clearance against the advice of then-White House Counsel Don McGhan.

Fox News reported in May 2018 that Kushner had obtained a full security clearance (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jared-kushner-receives-full-security-clearance). He had been working at the White House with an interim security clearance for the better part of a year, through late February 2018. That month, Kushner's interim clearance was downgraded from "interim top secret" to "interim secret" after Kelly set a Feb. 23, 2018, deadline for halting access to top-secret information for those whose applications have been pending since June 1, 2017, or earlier.

[MisterVeritis]

Shouldn't you be far more worried about the likes of Clinton, Pelosi, Schumer...they came to office and became enormously wealthy while in office.

I have no use for Clinton et al, so that strawman is wasted on me.
I laughed. You are indeed a hack as others have claimed.

[Dr. Who]

Shouldn't you be far more worried about the likes of Clinton, Pelosi, Schumer...they came to office and became enormously wealthy while in office.

I laughed. You are indeed a hack as others have claimed.
I'm a hack because I find both the Dems and Reps in general equally odious? I'm sorry to disappoint you. I find Hillary et al to be thoroughly corrupt individuals and war hawks. That has nothing to do with Trump who has always been and will always be a fraudster. The only thing that makes him a little worse is that he is playing a game where he doesn't understand the rules and doesn't think that he has to. That makes him dangerous.

[MisterVeritis]

I'm a hack because I find both the Dems and Reps in general equally odious? I'm sorry to disappoint you. I find Hillary et al to be thoroughly corrupt individuals and war hawks. That has nothing to do with Trump who has always been and will always be a fraudster. The only thing that makes him a little worse is that he is playing a game where he doesn't understand the rules and doesn't think that he has to. That makes him dangerous.
No. You are a hack because you see a problem where there isn't one but fail to see the problems that exist.

[Dr. Who]

No. You are a hack because you see a problem where there isn't one but fail to see the problems that exist.
I don't fail to see the problems that exist, but I see many different problems than you do. I have a different worldview. I see yours as fundamentally archaic, if not obsolescent and I'll tell you why. The issues that present in urban environments are the leading edge of future problems. The population of the planet is not shrinking. Places like America need an increasing population to take care of the ageing population of baby boomers. Before you suggest that this shouldn't be your problem, the Constitution etcetera, you are not living in the 1800s in a country with more space than people in the regions that can supply the most goods and generate the most money. Whether you like it or not, humanity has evolved, particularly in the western world to believe that we are essentially our brother's keepers and that for many reasons, we need to assist or even take care of those who cannot contribute. Furthermore, the alternative of dead people laying on the streets or a far more significant number of people committing theft or worse would drastically alter our society.

DJT appeals to the reactionaries in society but he is a fish out of water. He is not intellectually curious. He doesn't want to know the rules of the game because he never felt that any expert who didn't agree with him was right - hence all of his business failures. Case in point - his meeting with Kim. His assumption that Kim would cave because he needed this win and somehow believed that they had a special friendship, that somehow Kim would oblige him. Setting the up entire meeting with an orchestrated signing at the end, telegraphed his desperation and transferred to power position to Kim.

He is no longer dealing with avaricious investors who hear what they want to hear. (Even that dried up with his business failures and he could no longer even get legitimate bank loans and was forced to become a reality TV star to pay the bills.)

He isn't a competent leader. He's an egotist and I think that it's very disappointing that people can't see that his egotism is potentially even more dangerous than the Dem war hawks who are fundamentally globalists so absolutely not seeking anything that would affect the market, but couldn't care less if a few million third world people die.

That anyone would assume that Trump would even understand the kind of security risk that Kushner represents only suggests that they are in complete denial about Trump's nature.

[Nowhere Man]

I would say lets see the proof or is this just more unfounded speculation?

[Peter1469]

I don't know if this is true or not, but on one radio interview it was said that Kushner got a top secret clearance, not a top secret / SCI. Without the SCI it is not much, if any, better than a secret clearance. Because almost everything top secret is compartmentalized.

So this thread by be all for not much.

[hanger4]

I don't know if this is true or not, but on one radio interview it was said that Kushner got a top secret clearance, not a top secret / SCI. Without the SCI it is not much, if any, better than a secret clearance. Because almost everything top secret is compartmentalized. So this thread by be all for not much.The original NYT's story said just that, Top Secret only. ............... https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/02/28/us/politics/jared-kushner-security-clearance.amp.html

[Peter1469]

The original NYT's story said just that, Top Secret only. ............... https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/02/28/us/politics/jared-kushner-security-clearance.amp.html
Then it is no better than a secret clearance because there are no top secrets than are not compartmentalized. Although should he have need to access a specific set of TS data, he is a step ahead of those with only secret clearances in order to see it.

[Peter1469]

Then it is no better than a secret clearance because there are no top secrets than are not compartmentalized. Although should he have need to access a specific set of TS data, he is a step ahead of those with only secret clearances in order to see it.

That seems reasonable. The security egg heads didn't want to approve the TS/SCI because Kushner's global financial ties were too hard for them to figure out whether he was compromised or not. This way, such an inquiry will be able to focus on the specific information to be released to him.

[hanger4]

That seems reasonable. The security egg heads didn't want to approve the TS/SCI because Kushner's global financial ties were too hard for them to figure out whether he was compromised or not. This way, such an inquiry will be able to focus on the specific information to be released to him.Yup, there is no there there except the TDS there there.

[Peter1469]

Yup, there is no there there except the TDS there there.
Seems so.

[Lummy]

I have the same reservations about Kushner that I have about Pelosi and Schumer. What am I?

[Lummy]

Let me explain. They are all out to personally enrich themselves by acting.

[Lummy]

Thanks Reagan.

[Bo-4]

Kushner is a financial honey badger - "he just don't care". That's the issue. When he wasn't privy to government secrets, if his activities were questionable, they were not security risks. If he shared information in order to gain advantage, it wasn't a matter of national security. People who have financial interactions with people who have a foot both in the financial and political world of powerful and antagonistic nations are a security risk. Greed is a powerful inducement. But you know that if your personal narrative about a career in intelligence is true.

Little Jared gave MBS a top secret enemies list. He should be locked up for treason and accessory to murder.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5575395/Saudi-crown-prince-brags-Jared-Kushner-handed-U-S-intelligence.html

For those who prefer Breitbart ;-) :::
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/04/07/report-saudi-crown-prince-purged-tortured-rivals-after-jared-kushner-gave-him-classified-enemies-list/

[Lummy]

What is MBS please?

[Bo-4]

What is MBS please?

No Google Machine eh?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_bin_Salman

[Tahuyaman]

I don't know if this is true or not, but on one radio interview it was said that Kushner got a top secret clearance, not a top secret / SCI. Without the SCI it is not much, if any, better than a secret clearance. Because almost everything top secret is compartmentalized.

So this thread by be all for not much.

This is just more nonsense from the left.

[MisterVeritis]

You are a hack because you see a problem where there isn't one but fail to see the problems that exist.

I don't fail to see the problems that exist, ...
Yes, you do.

Kushner is not a problem. Career politicians who enrich themselves and their families while in office are the problem. Since many are Democrats who will push your radical, anti-liberty agenda you ignore them.

[MisterVeritis]

Then it is no better than a secret clearance because there are no top secrets than are not compartmentalized. Although should he have need to access a specific set of TS data, he is a step ahead of those with only secret clearances in order to see it.
There are some. While I waited for my SCI I was granted a final TS. It allowed me to access some documents I needed to do my job. None of the materials involved intelligence sources and methods. Most were policy and position papers of a particularly sensitive nature.

We don't know the real story. I suspect the same people involved in the coup attempt are involved in this.

[MisterVeritis]

I don't fail to see the problems that exist, but I see many different problems than you do. I have a different worldview. I see yours as fundamentally archaic, if not obsolescent and I'll tell you why. The issues that present in urban environments are the leading edge of future problems. The population of the planet is not shrinking. Places like America need an increasing population to take care of the ageing population of baby boomers. Before you suggest that this shouldn't be your problem, the Constitution etcetera, you are not living in the 1800s in a country with more space than people in the regions that can supply the most goods and generate the most money. Whether you like it or not, humanity has evolved, particularly in the western world to believe that we are essentially our brother's keepers and that for many reasons, we need to assist or even take care of those who cannot contribute. Furthermore, the alternative of dead people laying on the streets or a far more significant number of people committing theft or worse would drastically alter our society.
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You are a hack.

Do you realize how nonsensical you are? Here you are arguing against individual liberty because there are problems to be solved. I reject, out of hand the idea that 19th century Marxism slightly repackaged, is the wave of the future. People like you must be utterly defeated. You cannot be reasoned with. You cannot be lived with.

[MisterVeritis]

...
DJT appeals to the reactionaries in society but he is a fish out of water. He is not intellectually curious. He doesn't want to know the rules of the game because he never felt that any expert who didn't agree with him was right - hence all of his business failures. Case in point - his meeting with Kim. His assumption that Kim would cave because he needed this win and somehow believed that they had a special friendship, that somehow Kim would oblige him. Setting the up entire meeting with an orchestrated signing at the end, telegraphed his desperation and transferred to power position to Kim.

He is no longer dealing with avaricious investors who hear what they want to hear. (Even that dried up with his business failures and he could no longer even get legitimate bank loans and was forced to become a reality TV star to pay the bills.)

He isn't a competent leader. He's an egotist and I think that it's very disappointing that people can't see that his egotism is potentially even more dangerous than the Dem war hawks who are fundamentally globalists so absolutely not seeking anything that would affect the market, but couldn't care less if a few million third world people die.

That anyone would assume that Trump would even understand the kind of security risk that Kushner represents only suggests that they are in complete denial about Trump's nature.
These are the ravings of a stark crazy hack.