The second democrat-led coup attempt against Pres. Trump started today

[MisterVeritis]

The first coup failed. We really should have rounded up the coup plotters and hanged them. Instead, we allowed them to roam free.

Now a second coup attempt has started. The House of Representatives has opened up new investigations into the President, his family and his businesses.

We need a counter-coup. We need to investigate Pelosi, her family, and her husband's businesses. Ditto Schumer.

We need to investigate every chair of every House committee. Their families. And their businesses. Let's do what the Obama regime did. Use the intelligence community against them.

[Captdon]

The first coup failed. We really should have rounded up the coup plotters and hanged them. Instead, we allowed them to roam free.

Now a second coup attempt has started. The House of Representatives has opened up new investigations into the President, his family and his businesses.

We need a counter-coup. We need to investigate Pelosi, her family, and her husband's businesses. Ditto Schumer.

We need to investigate every chair of every House committee. Their families. And their businesses. Let's do what the Obama regime did. Use the intelligence community against them.

The Democrats will lose the independent vote with this. If Mueller and his Democratic crew can't find anything the independent will go against any more investigating.

[jet57]

Not even going to look at the OP. The title alone just aches with stupidity.

[Peter1469]

The first coup failed. We really should have rounded up the coup plotters and hanged them. Instead, we allowed them to roam free.

Now a second coup attempt has started. The House of Representatives has opened up new investigations into the President, his family and his businesses.

We need a counter-coup. We need to investigate Pelosi, her family, and her husband's businesses. Ditto Schumer.

We need to investigate every chair of every House committee. Their families. And their businesses. Let's do what the Obama regime did. Use the intelligence community against them.

If the House wants to spin its wheels on these "investigations," I say go for it- it leaves less time for them to try to pass legislation that screws over Americans.

[MisterVeritis]

If the House wants to spin its wheels on these "investigations," I say go for it- it leaves less time for them to try to pass legislation that screws over Americans.
The Democrats are waging war against American citizens. This is not acceptable.

[Dr. Who]

The Democrats are waging war against American citizens. This is not acceptable.
I disagree. The only reason that there is such a huge investigation into Trump is that long before he was elected he had a shady reputation and one that was more recently connected with Russian Oligarchy (mob) money, still long before the election. He has always surrounded himself with sketchy people who did his dirty work. He's a dirtbag and I really can't understand how anyone with any conscience could support such a person because they promise what you want. It's literally like making a deal with the devil. (The same is true for Hillary, before you all jump in with your strawmen. They are just different forms of criminals.)

[Common]

I disagree. The only reason that there is such a huge investigation into Trump is that long before he was elected he had a shady reputation and one that was more recently connected with Russian Oligarchy (mob) money, still long before the election. He has always surrounded himself with sketchy people who did his dirty work. He's a dirtbag and I really can't understand how anyone with any conscience could support such a person because they promise what you want. It's literally like making a deal with the devil. (The same is true for Hillary, before you all jump in with your strawmen. They are just different forms of criminals.)

You dont even believe that doc and neither does anyone else. This is an all out coup by the democrats to keep trump from being successful and to push their socialist idiot agenda.

The american people are starting to disagree with this witch hunt and ALL the polls indicate it, and trumps favorability in the FACE of all this for two full years is going UP not down, his favorability is far higher than congress, pelosi and the press

[Peter1469]

The Democrats are waging war against American citizens. This is not acceptable.

I didn't say allow it to go anywhere. Just let the snow-flakes waste their time.

[mamooth]

The Democrats will lose the independent vote with this.

You were all saying that before the 2018 elections. How'd that turn out for you?

Supporting these investigations is the mainstream American position. Opposing them is the extremist fringe position. We loyal Americans thank you for your wild-eyed extremism, being how it's sending more and more votes to the Democrats.

[DGUtley]

The 2018 elections were a blood bath in the House and the Senate we won. So, a split decision. Yes, this is a silent coup. This is not the mainstream of the American position. Maybe in the coffee houses of Chicago and New York it is but not in the bread basket. We in flyover country see it for what it is: an attempt to invalidate the election. I've driven the hinterlands and talked to the American People. Not the pretty ones in the coffee houses but the ones that actually get their hands dirty for a living -- the ones you guys forgot about. They don't like it. They are mainstream. We loyal Americans see it for what you are trying to do. Remember, Nadler said he's already convicted him before the investigation. If this thing explodes, you'll have yourselves to blame.

[jimmyz]

We saw what investigations and impeachment proceedings did for Bill Clinton. Yep, a second term.

[alexa]

Congress doing its job isn't a coup.

Most of the country wants Congress to do its job.

That's why the GOP got its ass handed to it in the mid-terms.

[DGUtley]

Congress doing its job isn't a coup. Most of the country wants Congress to do its job. That's why the GOP got its ass handed to it in the mid-terms.

No. Declaring guilt before the investigation is not Congress doing its job. Investigating nothings is not Congress doing its job. This is a temper tantrum by losers of an election. The GOP got its ass handed to it b/c that is what happens to the President's party in the midterms.

[mamooth]

The 2018 elections were a blood bath in the House and the Senate we won. So, a split decision.

In terms of raw votes, the Democrats romped in the senate as well. Only a extremely favorable map saved you there. You won't have such a map in 2020. You got totally blown out in 2018, because tying Republicans to the corrupt Trump administration is a very successful strategy for Democrats. That's why Republicans are in tears now, begging us to stop doing that. They know how badly it hurts them.



Yes, this is a silent coup.

You all keep saying that, but being how none of you can provide any evidence to back up such a bizarre claim, most people correctly assume it's just a bizarre fantasy that your leaders have ordered you to believe.


This is not the mainstream of the American position.

Yes, it is. This quick sampling of polls comes from before the avalanche of more damning evidence against Trump, so things are only going to get worse for Trump. Try leaving your FOX News bubble occasionally and talking to some real Americans.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/11/politics/cnn-poll-public-supports-russia-investigation-robert-mueller-rod-rosenstein/index.html

https://www.npr.org/2018/12/07/674315848/poll-republicans-are-only-group-that-mostly-sees-mueller-probe-as-a-witch-hunt

https://www.newsweek.com/majority-americans-support-sessions-mueller-investigation-poll-finds-1099008

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/422303-poll-americans-would-support-mueller-expanding-investigations

[alexa]

No. This is not Congress doing its job. This is a temper tantrum by losers of an election. The GOP got its ass handed to it b/c that is what happens to the President's party in the midterms.

My advice to you is turn off Fox News.

The last time the president's party got its ass handed to it to the extent that it did in 2018 was 1974.

See if you can figure out why.

[jimmyz]

Congress doing its job isn't a coup.

Politically motivated witch hunts are not a job needing to be done by Congress

Most of the country wants Congress to do its job.

Job approval is under 20% for Congress. They obviously aren't convincing the people of their want to do its job. - https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/congressional_job_approval-903.html

That's why the GOP got its ass handed to it in the mid-terms.

"Midterm elections historically generate lower voter turnout than presidential elections. ... Midterm elections usually see the president's party lose seats in Congress, and also frequently see the president's intraparty opponents gain control of one or both houses of Congress."

Link - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_midterm_election

[DGUtley]

In terms of raw votes, the Democrats romped in the senate as well. Only a extremely favorable map saved you there. You won't have such a map in 2020. You got totally blown out in 2018, because tying Republicans to the corrupt Trump administration is a very successful strategy for Democrats. That's why Republicans are in tears now, begging us to stop doing that. They know how badly it hurts them.

We will tie you to socialism and collectivism. You can tie us to the successful economy. Go for it.

You all keep saying that, but being how none of you can provide any evidence to back up such a bizarre claim, most people correctly assume it's just a bizarre fantasy that your leaders have ordered you to believe.

I take orders from nobody. Nobody. The Democrats have already indicated that they need to convince the American People that Trump should be impeached -- this was before the investigations that they've just started have concluded. It doesn't take a party loyalist like yourself to figure out that they are bound and determined to overthrow this president by any means -- a coup is what we call it here in the flyover country.


Yes, it is. This quick sampling of polls comes from before the avalanche of more damning evidence against Trump, so things are only going to get worse for Trump. Try leaving your FOX News bubble occasionally and talking to some real Americans. https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/11/politics/cnn-poll-public-supports-russia-investigation-robert-mueller-rod-rosenstein/index.html https://www.npr.org/2018/12/07/674315848/poll-republicans-are-only-group-that-mostly-sees-mueller-probe-as-a-witch-hunt https://www.newsweek.com/majority-americans-support-sessions-mueller-investigation-poll-finds-1099008 https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/422303-poll-americans-would-support-mueller-expanding-investigations

Come to real America and poll those people. these pollsters are all the people that told you "Hillary in a landslide -- bank it."


My advice to you is turn off Fox News. The last time the president's party got its ass handed to it to the extent that it did in 2018 was 1974. See if you can figure out why.

I don't watch the news - I haven't since 2016. You should leave your elitist bubble and get out of the coffeehouses and out to the real America. Talk to some of them. You'll be surprised.

[jet57]

The 2018 elections were a blood bath in the House and the Senate we won. So, a split decision. Yes, this is a silent coup. This is not the mainstream of the American position. Maybe in the coffee houses of Chicago and New York it is but not in the bread basket. We in flyover country see it for what it is: an attempt to invalidate the election. I've driven the hinterlands and talked to the American People. Not the pretty ones in the coffee houses but the ones that actually get their hands dirty for a living -- the ones you guys forgot about. They don't like it. They are mainstream. We loyal Americans see it for what you are trying to do. Remember, Nadler said he's already convicted him before the investigation. If this thing explodes, you'll have yourselves to blame.

So getting rid of Nixon was a coup and impeaching Clinton was a coup.

[mamooth]

We will tie you to socialism and collectivism.

You tried that lie in 2018, and got pasted for it. And so you conclude "That tactic failed hard, hence we need to do more of it!". Interesting.


You can tie us to the successful economy. Go for it.

You tried that in 2018, and got pasted for it. And the economy is going nowhere but down now.

Trump is at -7 vs the generic Democrat, the real Democrat always does better than the generic, and things are only getting worse for Trump. At this point, it's only an issue of whether Trump will leave voluntarily, or if he'll have to be dragged out screaming.


I take orders from nobody. Nobody.

That's the beauty of propaganda. You think you've made up your own mind, as you recite the talking points.


The Democrats have already indicated that they need to convince the American People that Trump should be impeached -- this was before the investigations that they've just started have concluded. It doesn't take a party loyalist like yourself to figure out that they are bound and determined to overthrow this president by any means -- a coup is what we call it here in the flyover country.

Your irrational and hysterical opposition to these evidence-based investigations makes you appear as if you know your leaders have something awful to hide. The Democrats didn't act like that when your side was launching their investigations. The Democrats acted innocent because they were innocent. In stark contrast, Republicans all act guilty. What is it that you think you have to hide?


Come to real America and poll those people. these pollsters are all the people that told you "Hillary in a landslide -- bank it."

The polls were spot-on in 2016. The ones predicting a Clinton win were taken _before_ Comey deliberately swung the election to Trump. Obviously, you didn't know that, as it wasn't part of the talking points you were fed.

Point is, the polls are very accurate. They all say your position is the minority position. You don't like that conclusion, so you're retreating into an alternate reality.


I don't watch the news - I haven't since 2016. You should leave your elitist bubble and get out of the coffeehouses and out to the real America.

That's bigoted and elitist of you, to keep declaring that urban people aren't real Americans, while simultaneously whining about Democrats being elitists, even though you don't see Democrats engaging in such elitist and bigoted tactics. That's going to lose you more votes.

So why am I giving you all this good advice? Because I know you won't take my good advice. Out of spite, you'll do the opposite, and so even more votes will go to the Democrats.

[DGUtley]

You tried that lie in 2018, and got pasted for it. And so you conclude "That tactic failed hard, hence we need to do more of it!". Interesting.

Actually, we didn't.


You tried that in 2018, and got pasted for it. And the economy is going nowhere but down now.
Actually, it isn't. It will according to the economists late 2020 / early 2021.


Trump is at -7 vs the generic Democrat, the real Democrat always does better than the generic, and things are only getting worse for Trump. At this point, it's only an issue of whether Trump will leave voluntarily, or if he'll have to be dragged out screaming.

Wishful thinking.


That's the beauty of propaganda. You think you've made up your own mind, as you recite the talking points.

Being independent is a talking point? Isn't that part of the problem here? Keep parroting the liberal points.



Your irrational and hysterical opposition to these evidence-based investigations makes you appear as if you know your leaders have something awful to hide. The Democrats didn't act like that when your side was launching their investigations. The Democrats acted innocent because they were innocent. In stark contrast, Republicans all act guilty. What is it that you think you have to hide?

They aren't investigations if the end is pre-ordained. They're show trials. Everybody knows that. The American people know that.


The polls were spot-on in 2016. The ones predicting a Clinton win were taken _before_ Comey deliberately swung the election to Trump. Obviously, you didn't know that, as it wasn't part of the talking points you were fed. Point is, the polls are very accurate. They all say your position is the minority position. You don't like that conclusion, so you're retreating into an alternate reality.
Another talking point. Shouldn't he have been fired?



That's bigoted and elitist of you, to keep declaring that urban people aren't real Americans, while simultaneously whining about Democrats being elitists, even though you don't see Democrats engaging in such elitist and bigoted tactics. That's going to lose you more votes. So why am I giving you all this good advice? Because I know you won't take my good advice. Out of spite, you'll do the opposite, and so even more votes will go to the Democrats.

You guys all live in that coffeehouse bubble and feed off each other yet refuse to leave those cabals. You tell each other socialist truisms and pass them off as gospel, while looking down your noses at that part of America that gets its fingers dirty for a living. I've seen it. I've been a part of it. It's been many many years, but I've been there. Keep selling it.

[MisterVeritis]

I disagree. The only reason that there is such a huge investigation into Trump is that long before he was elected he had a shady reputation and one that was more recently connected with Russian Oligarchy (mob) money, still long before the election. He has always surrounded himself with sketchy people who did his dirty work. He's a dirtbag and I really can't understand how anyone with any conscience could support such a person because they promise what you want. It's literally like making a deal with the devil. (The same is true for Hillary, before you all jump in with your strawmen. They are just different forms of criminals.)
No. This second coup is another attempt to get rid of the President. The House is not investigating a crime. They are looking for crimes. You don't get to do that. The Democrats are doing all they can to harm everyone close to Trump. You don't get to do that either. In my opinion, this is a massive abuse of governmental powers under Pelosi, Schiff, and Nadler. They should all be removed from office over this. I would like to see the Executive Branch use the power of government against Pelosi, Schiff, Nadler, and Schumer. Ruin them. Ruin their families. Ruin all of their associates.


If we are going to endure a tyranny let's make it a balanced tyranny.

[MisterVeritis]

I didn't say allow it to go anywhere. Just let the snow-flakes waste their time.
We should not let the House destroy everyone close to Trump. That is to allow evil.

[Chris]

Congress doing its job isn't a coup.

Most of the country wants Congress to do its job.

That's why the GOP got its ass handed to it in the mid-terms.


The job description is written up in the Constitution. Most people would like them to do their job. There was no ass handing in mid-terms.


I agree this is not a coup, except maybe metaphorically. But they aren't doing their jobs.

[MisterVeritis]

Congress doing its job isn't a coup.
Congress is not doing its job. Congress, under Pelosi, Schiff, and Nadler are attempting a second coup.

Most of the country wants Congress to do its job.
That's why the GOP got its ass handed to it in the mid-terms.
You fail to understand what actually happened. Paul Rino fought President Trump. Paul Rino failed.

President Trump worked hard to increase the number of Republican senators. President Trump succeeded.

[MisterVeritis]

My advice to you is turn off Fox News.
My advice to you is to turn ON Fox News.

The last time the president's party got its ass handed to it to the extent that it did in 2018 was 1974.
See if you can figure out why.
I do not mind that you fail to see what happened.

[MisterVeritis]

So getting rid of Nixon was a coup and impeaching Clinton was a coup.
No. I am surprised you are unaware.

Both Nixon and Clinton started with crimes, then investigations and finally the threat of impeachment or impeachment.

President Trump's "crime" was winning the election. There was no collusion. There cannot be obstruction of justice. That is why this is a coup.

[Tahuyaman]

You were all saying that before the 2018 elections. How'd that turn out for you?

Supporting these investigations is the mainstream American position. Opposing them is the extremist fringe position. We loyal Americans thank you for your wild-eyed extremism, being how it's sending more and more votes to the Democrats.
Again with the satirical comment.

[MisterVeritis]

Limbaugh's assessment is that the Democrats are confident Trump will be re-elected. They are setting the stage for his impeachment after the 2020 election. We need to retake the House and increase our hold over the Senate. I will support a primary challenge to senators who do not support the Trump agenda.

[ripmeister]

No. I am surprised you are unaware.

Both Nixon and Clinton started with crimes, then investigations and finally the threat of impeachment or impeachment.

President Trump's "crime" was winning the election. There was no collusion. There cannot be obstruction of justice. That is why this is a coup.
I forgot that Clinton was indicted in the White Water affair as that was the start of it. Thanks for reminding me

[ripmeister]

Limbaugh's assessment is that the Democrats are confident Trump will be re-elected. They are setting the stage for his impeachment after the 2020 election. We need to retake the House and increase our hold over the Senate. I will support a primary challenge to senators who do not support the Trump agenda.

LOL! Go right ahead with Limbos assessment.

[mamooth]

Being independent is a talking point?

When the "independent" person reliably repeats every GOP talking point, then yes, the claim to be an independent is obviously a talking point.


They aren't investigations if the end is pre-ordained.

But it's not, and therefore your conspiracy theory crumbles.


They're show trials.

Explain to us the process of how a congressional investigation means innocent people will be convicted. Despite your best Stalinist show trials and your near-total media control, you couldn't convict any innocent Democrats, so how would Democrats be able to convict supposedly innocent Republicans?


Another talking point. Shouldn't he have been fired?

Yes, for the election interference. But Trump didn't fire Comey for that reason, as Trump himself stated.



You guys all live in that coffeehouse bubble and feed off each other yet refuse to leave those cabals.

Says the one dutifully repeating the latest FOX conspiracy theory.


You tell each other socialist truisms and pass them off as gospel, while looking down your noses at that part of America that gets its fingers dirty for a living. I've seen it. I've been a part of it. It's been many many years, but I've been there. Keep selling it.

That was a fine paranoid tale of victimhood and woe. Keep it up, as that's all your party has left. Across the board, you hold the minority position, while we're the mainstream. You're part of a tyrannical minority which is stomping on the liberty of the moral majority. Why not just let go, instead of clinging to power through illegal and immoral means?

[DGUtley]

When the "independent" person reliably repeats every GOP talking point, then yes, the claim to be an independent is obviously a talking point.
I repeat no talking points.

But it's not, and therefore your conspiracy theory crumbles.
It absolutely is. Nadler said so.

Explain to us the process of how a congressional investigation means innocent people will be convicted. Despite your best Stalinist show trials and your near-total media control, you couldn't convict any innocent Democrats, so how would Democrats be able to convict supposedly innocent Republicans?
The end has been preordained. Nadler has said so. Read and report back.


Yes, for the election interference. But Trump didn't fire Comey for that reason, as Trump himself stated.
I see. He did want you wanted but it didn't make you happy.


Says the one dutifully repeating the latest FOX conspiracy theory.

I don't know what you are talking about.


That was a fine paranoid tale of victimhood and woe. Keep it up, as that's all your party has left. Across the board, you hold the minority position, while we're the mainstream. You're part of a tyrannical minority which is stomping on the liberty of the moral majority. Why not just let go, instead of clinging to power through illegal and immoral means?

There you go again...

[Admiral Ackbar]

Fat Jerry Nadler is on the job!

The Chairman smiles down upon his rather "ample" efforts...

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[MisterVeritis]

Limbaugh's assessment is that the Democrats are confident Trump will be re-elected. They are setting the stage for his impeachment after the 2020 election. We need to retake the House and increase our hold over the Senate.

LOL! Go right ahead with Limbos assessment.
Limbaugh is astute. I believe he is right.

[MisterVeritis]

I forgot that Clinton was indicted in the White Water affair as that was the start of it. Thanks for reminding me
I wish you had the ability to pay attention.

[mamooth]

It absolutely is. Nadler said so.
A conspiracy website told you that, I assume?


The end has been preordained. Nadler has said so. Read and report back.

I tried, and I can find nothing like you claim. As I don't know what the voices told you, you'll have to meet me halfway here.

The really bizarre thing here is your "There can't be an investigation unless the crime is proven!" catch-22.

If the crime is proven, there doesn't need to be an investigation.

And without an investigation, one can't prove a crime.

Your conspiracy theory says the judicial system has been totally wrong for the entire world over all of history, back to Hammurabi.

Back in this reality, if there is _evidence_ of a crime, you investigate. Never in history has there ever been a "There must be proof before you investigate" standard. That's some brand new wacky Trump cult revisionism.


There you go again...
Ronald Reagan, if in politics today, would be called a flaming liberal and traitor by the modern GOP. And "independents".

[Private Pickle]

Sigh.

[Ethereal]

I disagree. The only reason that there is such a huge investigation into Trump is that long before he was elected he had a shady reputation and one that was more recently connected with Russian Oligarchy (mob) money, still long before the election. He has always surrounded himself with sketchy people who did his dirty work. He's a dirtbag and I really can't understand how anyone with any conscience could support such a person because they promise what you want. It's literally like making a deal with the devil. (The same is true for Hillary, before you all jump in with your strawmen. They are just different forms of criminals.)
The only reason they're investigating Trump is because the military-industrial complex wants a new cold war. It has nothing to do with values, as the people conducting the investigation demonstrably have none. If every politician with a shady reputation and questionable ties to a foreign power were investigated, then virtually every politician in DC would be under investigation. Yet Trump is the only one. Clearly, this is not a sincere effort to protect America from foreign influence, but a selective witch-hunt organized by the purveyors of perpetual warfare.

[nathanbforrest45]

what a bunch of anal orifices suddenly.

Maybe you don't need absolute proof of a crime but wouldn't you need some indication that such proof could be found? This is nothing more than a coup attempt at removing the seemingly only person in American politics who actually cares about the American people.

[ripmeister]

Limbaugh's assessment is that the Democrats are confident Trump will be re-elected. They are setting the stage for his impeachment after the 2020 election. We need to retake the House and increase our hold over the Senate.

Limbaugh is astute. I believe he is right.

He's a something alright.

[ripmeister]

I wish you had the ability to pay attention.
I have the ability. I just choose when to use it. I tend to glaze over when verbose nonsense is being sent my way.

[MisterVeritis]

The really bizarre thing here is your "There can't be an investigation unless the crime is proven!" catch-22.
If the crime is proven, there doesn't need to be an investigation.

I wonder why this gave you difficulties. One must have a crime to investigate. No crime. No investigation. Or do you ascribe to the tyrannical method? Give me a name and unlimited resources. I shall find you a crime.

[MisterVeritis]

I have the ability. I just choose when to use it. I tend to glaze over when verbose nonsense is being sent my way.
Perhaps it is not just attention that you lack. Thinking skills may be your problem.

[ripmeister]

Perhaps it is not just attention that you lack. Thinking skills may be your problem.
LOL. I'm fine in that department as well, aside from your insults. :wink:

[Hoosier8]

I disagree. The only reason that there is such a huge investigation into Trump is that long before he was elected he had a shady reputation and one that was more recently connected with Russian Oligarchy (mob) money, still long before the election. He has always surrounded himself with sketchy people who did his dirty work. He's a dirtbag and I really can't understand how anyone with any conscience could support such a person because they promise what you want. It's literally like making a deal with the devil. (The same is true for Hillary, before you all jump in with your strawmen. They are just different forms of criminals.)

Investigating without a predicate crime is just grandstanding. If the House thinks it can outdo Mueller who has much more authority and investigative powers, then let them play in their playpen. This isn't about taking down Trump because they know they can't at this time. This is all about 2020 and pimping for votes in their districts.

A good for instance is the investigation into Hillary. It was not Congress that discovered her illegal server, it was Judicial Watch.

[MisterVeritis]

LOL. I'm fine in that department as well, aside from your insults. :wink:
You err. :grin:

[DGUtley]

A conspiracy website told you that, I assume?
I tried, and I can find nothing like you claim. As I don't know what the voices told you, you'll have to meet me halfway here.
The really bizarre thing here is your "There can't be an investigation unless the crime is proven!" catch-22.
If the crime is proven, there doesn't need to be an investigation.
And without an investigation, one can't prove a crime.
Your conspiracy theory says the judicial system has been totally wrong for the entire world over all of history, back to Hammurabi.
Back in this reality, if there is _evidence_ of a crime, you investigate. Never in history has there ever been a "There must be proof before you investigate" standard. That's some brand new wacky Trump cult revisionism.
Ronald Reagan, if in politics today, would be called a flaming liberal and traitor by the modern GOP. And "independents".

you have either disappointed me; or, you aren’t as smart as you think you are. Nadler’s statements have been all over the news. Pre-ordained - ala Judge Roy Bean. This is a soft coup. They are determined to remove him from office because he beat Queenie and because they don’t like him.

We know it. Look at polls on how close people think we are to civil war. Keep nudging.

[Dr. Who]

you have either disappointed me; or, you aren’t as smart as you think you are. Nadler’s statements have been all over the news. Pre-ordained - ala Judge Roy Bean. This is a soft coup. They are determined to remove him from office because he beat Queenie and because they don’t like him.

We know it. Look at polls on how close people think we are to civil war. Keep nudging.
Maybe and maybe his illicit reputation preceded him. Something about the 1200 or so lawsuits and desperate business dealings with the arm of Deutsche Bank that was reamed for Russian money laundering because no American bank would lend him a dollar due to his reputation for losing/sacrificing investor money but not his own. Maybe it was also all the nogoodniks that he surrounded himself with who are, one by one, now cooling their heels in prison. I'm not saying that the rest of the politicians out there are as pure as the driven snow, but people are not writing books about the twisted business practices of the rest other than the Clintons and their 'foundation'. In 2016 when faced with demon 1 and demon 2, people opted to choose when they should have all stayed home and said call me when you have something other than 'crap' on the menu.

[Dr. Who]

Investigating without a predicate crime is just grandstanding. If the House thinks it can outdo Mueller who has much more authority and investigative powers, then let them play in their playpen. This isn't about taking down Trump because they know they can't at this time. This is all about 2020 and pimping for votes in their districts.

A good for instance is the investigation into Hillary. It was not Congress that discovered her illegal server, it was Judicial Watch.
There is never a downside to taking down a criminal. Candidates for President should be beyond reproach.

[Tahuyaman]

It is clear that in spite of their denials, the Democrats are trying to pave the way to impeachment. They are helping to gradually build more support for Trump by persuing this dream.

It looks like Trump thrives on this stuff. He's faced intense resistance his entire adult life. He just lets this stuff roll off. It's like he doesn't care.

[DGUtley]

Maybe and maybe his illicit reputation preceded him. Something about the 1200 or so lawsuits and desperate business dealings with the arm of Deutsche Bank that was reamed for Russian money laundering because no American bank would lend him a dollar due to his reputation for losing/sacrificing investor money but not his own. Maybe it was also all the nogoodniks that he surrounded himself with who are, one by one, now cooling their heels in prison. I'm not saying that the rest of the politicians out there are as pure as the driven snow, but people are not writing books about the twisted business practices of the rest other than the Clintons and their 'foundation'. In 2016 when faced with demon 1 and demon 2, people opted to choose when they should have all stayed home and said call me when you have something other than 'crap' on the menu.

This isn’t about his business practices or his reputation of hanging with people. He beat HER. He fights back. This is a schoolyard fight.

The SCOTUS (and judiciary) is too important to have stayed home.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/12/07/the-supreme-court-oral-argument-that-cost-democrats-the-presidency/

[alexa]

This isn’t about his business practices or his reputation of hanging with people. He beat HER. He fights back. This is a schoolyard fight.

The SCOTUS (and judiciary) is too important to have stayed home.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/12/07/the-supreme-court-oral-argument-that-cost-democrats-the-presidency/

I'm sure Jesus is proud of you for voting Trump because Trump exemplifies the Christian ethic in so many ways.

[Peter1469]

what a bunch of anal orifices suddenly.

Maybe you don't need absolute proof of a crime but wouldn't you need some indication that such proof could be found? This is nothing more than a coup attempt at removing the seemingly only person in American politics who actually cares about the American people.
You need a crime to investigate. If you are investigating people you are doing it wrong. And you are likely violating the US constitution. IOW you can't say we are going to investigate everything about X's life to determine whether he committed a crime.

[DGUtley]

You need a crime to investigate. If you are investigating people you are doing it wrong. And you are likely violating the US constitution. IOW you can't say we are going to investigate everything about X's life to determine whether he committed a crime.

Amen Peter.

[mamooth]

The only reason they're investigating Trump is because the military-industrial complex wants a new cold war.

Trump has ramped up the bombing in Somalia. The military industrial complex likes him just fine.

[mamooth]

You need a crime to investigate.

No, that's insane. You only need evidence of a crime, and there are massive amounts of such evidence. As your wacky new legal standard is something totally new in American history and even world history, it's clearly just a partisan attempt on your part to shield your party's criminals.

[mamooth]

This isn’t about his business practices or his reputation of hanging with people. He beat HER. He fights back. This is a schoolyard fight.

And there we have it, the standard conservative "The ends always justify the means for my side" mentality on display. Trump helps their politics, so conservatives justify defending his criminal behavior ForTheGreaterGood. You never see liberals defending a corrupt liberal on such grounds. The two sides are totally different that way. As is always the case, moral high ground to the liberals.

That's one reason why conservatives hate liberals so much. Moral relativists hate moral absolutists. The pure shining light of liberal moral absolutism caused physical pain to conservative moral relativists, much like sunlight burning a vampire, so they lash out at the source of their pain.

[DGUtley]

And there we have it, the standard conservative "The ends always justify the means for my side" mentality on display. Trump helps their politics, so conservatives justify defending his criminal behavior ForTheGreaterGood. You never see liberals defending a corrupt liberal on such grounds. The two sides are totally different that way. As is always the case, moral high ground to the liberals. That's one reason why conservatives hate liberals so much. Moral relativists hate moral absolutists. The pure shining light of liberal moral absolutism caused physical pain to conservative moral relativists, much like sunlight burning a vampire, so they lash out at the source of their pain.

In other words: "That's right, Dave. We don't like him so we're going to everything we can to take him out."

[Admiral Ackbar]

And there we have it, the standard conservative "The ends always justify the means for my side" mentality on display. Trump helps their politics, so conservatives justify defending his criminal behavior ForTheGreaterGood. You never see liberals defending a corrupt liberal on such grounds. The two sides are totally different that way. As is always the case, moral high ground to the liberals.

That's one reason why conservatives hate liberals so much. Moral relativists hate moral absolutists. The pure shining light of liberal moral absolutism caused physical pain to conservative moral relativists, much like sunlight burning a vampire, so they lash out at the source of their pain.
I am not sure what this means. All he is saying is that the things the shinning light morally superior left is going after the President for are irrelevant to his legitimacy as President and his policies as President.

Now I know the pure light of the left is busy running things in a clean and holy manner(absent of course calling people M..F'sr, Stealing campaign money to finance their life style AOC, Cheering the killing of babies in the NY legislature, Covering up their sexual assaults in VA, Making up fake hate crimes in Chicago, Producing fake reporting on the Covington kids, running major cities like Detroit and Chicago into the ground, killing jobs for people in NYC, etc.

But you should take time from all those acts of good work to understand the point DGUtley was really making.

[mamooth]

I am not sure what this means. All he is saying is that the things the shinning light morally superior left is going after the President for are irrelevant to his legitimacy as President and his policies as President.

Quite true. As you say, the Democratic investigations into Trump have nothing to do with his policies or legitimacy, meaning you admit the investigations are not politically-based.

I'm glad we cleared that up. Now, have you renounced other corrupt and dishonest Republican talking points?


Now I know the pure light of the left is busy running things in a clean and holy manner(absent of course calling people M..F'sr, Stealing campaign money to finance their life style AOC,

Apparently not.

Did the way you all fell for all the fake stories about the supposed criminality Hillary Clinton teach you nothing? Perhaps not. Those who can learn from mistakes become liberals.


Cheering the killing of babies in the NY legislature,

Seeing as you've jumped into an alternate-reality now, there's little point in talking further. It's not just liberal moral absolutism that pains conservatives, reality hurts them as well.

[mamooth]

In other words: "That's right, Dave. We don't like him so we're going to everything we can to take him out."

No, that's your philosophy. I implied the exact opposite. Don't project. We are not like you.

[DGUtley]

No, that's your philosophy. I implied the exact opposite. Don't project. We are not like you.

That is the very first thing you have said that is correct. You are not like me.

[MisterVeritis]

No, that's insane. You only need evidence of a crime, and there are massive amounts of such evidence. As your wacky new legal standard is something totally new in American history and even world history, it's clearly just a partisan attempt on your part to shield your party's criminals.
This is Stalinist. This is not only unamerican it is anti-American.

[alexa]

And there we have it, the standard conservative "The ends always justify the means for my side" mentality on display. Trump helps their politics, so conservatives justify defending his criminal behavior ForTheGreaterGood. You never see liberals defending a corrupt liberal on such grounds. The two sides are totally different that way. As is always the case, moral high ground to the liberals.

That's one reason why conservatives hate liberals so much. Moral relativists hate moral absolutists. The pure shining light of liberal moral absolutism caused physical pain to conservative moral relativists, much like sunlight burning a vampire, so they lash out at the source of their pain.


No, no, no

It's about the sanctity of SCOTUS.

That's also why they stole Gorsuch's seat.

[alexa]

That is the very first thing you have said that is correct. You are not like me.
Thank God for small favors.

[MisterVeritis]

Thank God for small favors.
I appreciate how obvious you make your anti-Americanism. I do wonder how so many of you became so damaged and stunted.

[MisterVeritis]

No, no, no
It's about the sanctity of SCOTUS.

That's also why they stole Gorsuch's seat.
Gorsuch never had a seat. You err.

[mamooth]

This is Stalinist. This is not only unamerican it is anti-American.
So, you just said investigating a crime because there's evidence of a crime is Stalinist. Fascinating.

In your world, how is anyone ever convicted of a crime, being how you say it's Stalinist to investigate anyone, no matter what the evidence is?

It appears you adopted this unprecedented new legal standard when Trump was elected. How convenient.

[Admiral Ackbar]

So, you just said investigating a crime because there's evidence of a crime is Stalinist. Fascinating.

In your world, how is anyone ever convicted of a crime, being how you say it's Stalinist to investigate anyone, no matter what the evidence is?

It appears you adopted this unprecedented new legal standard when Trump was elected. How convenient.

Stop it.. the point is that this all about investigating political opponents. That is the key piece you are missing. The only reason these investigation exist is for political end. Trials for political end = Stalinist/Maoist tactics.

The Chairman smiles down on your efforts to say otherwise.

[Peter1469]

No, that's insane. You only need evidence of a crime, and there are massive amounts of such evidence. As your wacky new legal standard is something totally new in American history and even world history, it's clearly just a partisan attempt on your part to shield your party's criminals.
You need evidence of a crime to investigate. You do not pick someone and look for crimes.

[gamewell45]

alexa has been thread banned for trolling


http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/106822?p=2550645#post2550645

[MisterVeritis]

So, you just said investigating a crime because there's evidence of a crime is Stalinist. Fascinating.

In your world, how is anyone ever convicted of a crime, being how you say it's Stalinist to investigate anyone, no matter what the evidence is?

It appears you adopted this unprecedented new legal standard when Trump was elected. How convenient.
You err, again.

Tell me what crime is being investigated. Stalinist.

[Ethereal]

Trump has ramped up the bombing in Somalia. The military industrial complex likes him just fine.

Their dislike for Trump was caused by his Russia policies, not his counter-terrorism policies. Trump said he wanted to improve relations with Russia during his presidential campaign, so the pro-war elements in the government and corporate sectors went after him. It's as simple as that. All this stuff about "Russian collusion" is a stinking lie made up by Clinton and her neocon fan club. But the lie has worked. Trump's promise to repair our relationship with Russia lies in total ruins. And now the world is much less safe because of it.

[mamooth]

Tell me what crime is being investigated. Stalinist.

Obstruction of justice is one obvious one. Campaign finance violations, money laundering, corrupt foreign influence act violations, and so on. Only the most fanatically devoted partisan hacks still pretend there's no evidence of crime.

So why didn't you call Republicans "Nazis" for investigating Clinton? Why did you invent this reality-defying revisionist legal theory only after Trump took office?

[Peter1469]

Obstruction of justice is one obvious one. Campaign finance violations, money laundering, corrupt foreign influence act violations, and so on. Only the most fanatically devoted partisan hacks still pretend there's no evidence of crime.

So why didn't you call Republicans "Nazis" for investigating Clinton? Why did you invent this reality-defying revisionist legal theory only after Trump took office?
What evidence?

[mamooth]

What evidence?

First, answer the question. Why weren't you calling Republicans "Nazis" for investigating Clinton? If you're not consistent, there's no point in speaking with you.

[Peter1469]

First, answer the question. Why weren't you calling Republicans "Nazis" for investigating Clinton? If you're not consistent, there's no point in speaking with you.

Which Clinton? Bill or Hillary? With Hillary there was evidence of a crime. Simply using a personal server for classified material.

[MisterVeritis]

I'm sure Jesus is proud of you for voting Trump because Trump exemplifies the Christian ethic in so many ways.
What a kook.

[Ransom]

Their dislike for Trump was caused by his Russia policies, not his counter-terrorism policies. Trump said he wanted to improve relations with Russia during his presidential campaign, so the pro-war elements in the government and corporate sectors went after him. It's as simple as that. All this stuff about "Russian collusion" is a stinking lie made up by Clinton and her neocon fan club. But the lie has worked. Trump's promise to repair our relationship with Russia lies in total ruins. And now the world is much less safe because of it.

It has not been the pro-war elements nor corporate sectors preventing Trump from improving Russian relations, it's obviously this bogus witch hunt of an investigation. Cannot very well be trying to improve relations when a Special Council has been named to investigate Russian relations.

Reality must be added as well, Trump giving arms to Ukraine dissolved early trust as did sanctions Trump put on Russia. As well, events in Syria have heightened tensions, Russian and American armed forces within close proximity of each other. Trump's appropriate withdrawal from the START agreement also increasing tensions as of late. Ain't all pro-war elements and corporations, Ethereal, look at what's actually happening.

[MisterVeritis]

Obstruction of justice is one obvious one.
Be specific. What justice was obstructed and how was it obstructed?


Campaign finance violations,
What specifically?


money laundering,
Who laundered money? Whose money was laundered?


corrupt foreign influence act violations,
Who specifically?


and so on. Only the most fanatically devoted partisan hacks still pretend there's no evidence of crime.
You gave no evidence that crimes occurred. You simply gave a laundry list.

So why didn't you call Republicans "Nazis" for investigating Clinton? Why did you invent this reality-defying revisionist legal theory only after Trump took office?
Which Clinton? Which investigation?

[MisterVeritis]

First, answer the question. Why weren't you calling Republicans "Nazis" for investigating Clinton? If you're not consistent, there's no point in speaking with you.
Be more specific. Which Clinton and which investigation?

[Hoosier8]

There is never a downside to taking down a criminal. Candidates for President should be beyond reproach.
Some are, like Hillary. Now if you have evidence Trump is a crook, contact Mueller otherwise it is just TDS speaking.

[Dr. Who]

Some are, like Hillary. Now if you have evidence Trump is a crook, contact Mueller otherwise it is just TDS speaking.
Read up on his history - there's no question that he's dirty. He just has enough money to keep people in court so long that they go bankrupt before getting satisfaction. There's a reason that he is inclined to use smaller companies trying to get their big break rather than large established builders/architects and engineers. The former have no money so they can't afford to sue him for long when he arbitrarily decides not to pay them. That or he uses builders who subcontract to the employers of illegals, in order to keep costs down. If you can read about his history in business and not be troubled by his hypocrisy, or watch as his inner circle pleads guilty to criminal activity, then there is nothing that will alter your beliefs. As for myself, if I was starving and a sidewinder offered me a sandwich, I wouldn't take it.

[Hoosier8]

Read up on his history - there's no question that he's dirty. He just has enough money to keep people in court so long that they go bankrupt before getting satisfaction. There's a reason that he is inclined to use smaller companies trying to get their big break rather than large established builders/architects and engineers. The former have no money so they can't afford to sue him for long when he arbitrarily decides not to pay them. That or he uses builders who subcontract to the employers of illegals, in order to keep costs down. If you can read about his history in business and not be troubled by his hypocrisy, or watch as his inner circle pleads guilty to criminal activity, then there is nothing that will alter your beliefs. As for myself, if I was starving and a sidewinder offered me a sandwich, I wouldn't take it.

Oh right. Feelings.