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exotix
03-07-2019, 06:58 PM
*Breaking*



No Remorse ... no Apology ... "I was victimized ... I have been Humiliated" ... asks for compassion'


~ Manafort speaks in Court




'Sentencing Guidelines are Excessive ... and 'He has lived an otherwise blameless life'


~ Judge Ellis



Wow.

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ei=GbKBXIqjA9Dw_AaonJ_wBQ&q=Manafort+Judge&oq=Manafort+Judge&gs_l=psy-ab.12..0i131l2j0l2.8454.14131..16416...0.0..1.173. 1985.24j1......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i8i7i30j33i10.AcjYNOnMuQw



https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1552003178/100_3944_ryu3nu.jpg

exotix
03-07-2019, 07:02 PM
Manafort to be sentenced next week in Washington D.C. ... faces 10 Years.

MisterVeritis
03-07-2019, 07:04 PM
Manafort to be sentenced next week in Washington D.C. ... faces 10 Years.
He should be released given time already served in solitary confinement.

exotix
03-07-2019, 07:05 PM
Happening Now


Worldwide Outrage in Progress

Peter1469
03-07-2019, 07:06 PM
Worldwide outrage?

lol

Trish
03-07-2019, 07:13 PM
Crime pays. This is a wonderful message to send everyone like Manafort who is fucking over America. Damn, I'm just upset I didn't think of this myself. Treason pays!!!!

Peter1469
03-07-2019, 07:16 PM
Crime pays. This is a wonderful message to send everyone like Manafort who is fucking over America. Damn, I'm just upset I didn't think of this myself. Treason pays!!!!
Treason has a definition. Helpfully, it is in the US Constitution.

MisterVeritis
03-07-2019, 07:16 PM
Crime pays. This is a wonderful message to send everyone like Manafort who is fucking over America. Damn, I'm just upset I didn't think of this myself. Treason pays!!!!
Don't be stupid, Trish. He committed no treason. If he wasn't slightly connected to President Trump he would have faced no criminal proceedings. You know it. But you are a hard left radical. I am glad you let that fact out of the bag.

Rantzmar
03-07-2019, 07:17 PM
And he gets to keep his 2 houses worth millions. This guy stole money from the American people to the tune of over $40 million and gets a slap on the wrist. If his name was Malcolm he would have got the book.

Peter1469
03-07-2019, 07:22 PM
And he gets to keep his 2 houses worth millions. This guy stole money from the American people to the tune of over $40 million and gets a slap on the wrist. If his name was Malcolm he would have got the book.

Which charge covered stealing over $40M?

BenjaminO
03-07-2019, 07:28 PM
Don't be stupid, Trish. He committed no treason. If he wasn't slightly connected to President Trump he would have faced no criminal proceedings. You know it. But you are a hard left radical. I am glad you let that fact out of the bag.
You don't seem very happy that a criminal has been brought to justice.

MisterVeritis
03-07-2019, 07:30 PM
And he gets to keep his 2 houses worth millions. This guy stole money from the American people to the tune of over $40 million and gets a slap on the wrist. If his name was Malcolm he would have got the book.
I believe you err.

Not that it matters. I found one statement claiming he concealed $16 million in income over a four year period by claiming the money was in the form of loans.

Rantzmar
03-07-2019, 07:31 PM
Which charge covered stealing over $40M?

For starters false income tax returns and bank fraud and bank fraud conspiracy

MisterVeritis
03-07-2019, 07:32 PM
You don't seem very happy that a criminal has been brought to justice.
Justice is one thing. He has been kept in solitary confinement (a terroristic tactic). The government intentionally tried him on different charges in different courts at a distance from one another to bankrupt him. This is a police state tactic.

Tahuyaman
03-07-2019, 07:33 PM
Worldwide outrage?

lol
yes. Lol.

Common Sense
03-07-2019, 07:33 PM
Slap on the wrist. They really threw the pamphlet at him.

MisterVeritis
03-07-2019, 07:33 PM
For starters false income tax returns and bank fraud and bank fraud conspiracy
I did not find 40 million. I did find $16 million over four years.

Again, not that it matters.

exotix
03-07-2019, 07:34 PM
Here's a little more butthurt ... LOL



https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1552005268/100_3946_s7shdt.jpg

Tahuyaman
03-07-2019, 07:35 PM
What exactly did he do? Failed to pay some income taxes?

Don
03-07-2019, 07:36 PM
They could have gotten Manafort years ago when he had connections to John McCain and others. It is outrageous that Tony Podesta was given immunity for testifying against Manafort for essentially the same thing. They weren't interested in justice here.

Rantzmar
03-07-2019, 07:42 PM
I believe you err.

Not that it matters. I found one statement claiming he concealed $16 million in income over a four year period by claiming the money was in the form of loans.

He got busted using money he earned working for Yanukovych back then. It was hid in foreign accounts and spent in the states through wire transfers to fund his very expensive life style .

The dude is a crook..but hey...he got off easy. Its not fair and show the injustice and inequality we face everyday. Cosby got 81 years.

jigglepete
03-07-2019, 07:43 PM
What exactly did he do? Failed to pay some income taxes?

The ghost of Al Capone is probably asking the same question, just sayin'.

MisterVeritis
03-07-2019, 07:46 PM
What exactly did he do? Failed to pay some income taxes?
He concealed about $16 million in income over a four year period. From what I could tell all other charges flow from this.

MisterVeritis
03-07-2019, 07:47 PM
He got busted using money he earned working for Yanukovych back then. It was hid in foreign accounts and spent in the states through wire transfers to fund his very expensive life style .

The dude is a crook..but hey...he got off easy. Its not fair and show the injustice and inequality we face everyday. Cosby got 81 years.
He did not get off easy. The state intentionally broke him as a tactic. I believe it was solely because he was loosely connected to Candidate Trump.

exotix
03-07-2019, 07:48 PM
What exactly did he do?


Failed to pay some income taxes?Well he gets to keep this home which of course you would lose over 'failing to pay some income taxes'



Manafort to forfeit five properties but will keep BallenIsles homehttps://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/local/manafort-forfeit-five-properties-but-will-keep-ballenisles-home/JsNCzS7ybVr5lFYuxWccEK/




https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1552006113/5_lmczjx.png

Beevee
03-07-2019, 07:52 PM
What exactly did he do? Failed to pay some income taxes?

Quite right. Victimless crime!

Can a convicted criminal stand for the US presidency?
Manafort would stand a good chance these days.

exotix
03-07-2019, 07:53 PM
He did not get off easy. The state intentionally broke him as a tactic.


I believe it was solely because he was loosely connected to Candidate Trump.Loosely connected ?




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg6JRfWjszs



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXwH1FRc6JM&t=13s




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDfjCpBiOw0

Captdon
03-07-2019, 07:53 PM
Well he gets to keep this home which of course you would lose over 'failing to pay some income taxes'



Manafort to forfeit five properties but will keep BallenIsles home

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/local/manafort-forfeit-five-properties-but-will-keep-ballenisles-home/JsNCzS7ybVr5lFYuxWccEK/




https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1552006113/5_lmczjx.png

Yea, just like Sharpton did.

MisterVeritis
03-07-2019, 07:54 PM
Loosely connected ?

Yes. I think Manafort worked for candidate Trump for less than two months.

Captdon
03-07-2019, 07:55 PM
He should be released given time already served in solitary confinement.


After Trump gets re-elected he'll be pardoned with some of the others.

exotix
03-07-2019, 07:55 PM
He did not get off easy. The state intentionally broke him as a tactic.


I believe it was solely because he was loosely connected to Candidate Trump.

Yes. I think Manafort worked for candidate Trump for less than two months.Yes ? Loosely connected ? How did Manafort know this ?




Manafort denies financial relationship between Trump and Russia





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=923SiDdLSic

Captdon
03-07-2019, 07:57 PM
And he gets to keep his 2 houses worth millions. This guy stole money from the American people to the tune of over $40 million and gets a slap on the wrist. If his name was Malcolm he would have got the book.

What 40 million? What slap on the wrist?

Beevee
03-07-2019, 08:00 PM
Yes. I think Manafort worked for candidate Trump for less than two months.

Which calender do you use?

Beevee
03-07-2019, 08:02 PM
He concealed about $16 million in income over a four year period. From what I could tell all other charges flow from this.

Obviously, when you discuss your wealth on this forum, you understate the value.

Probably a good tactic, from today.

Rantzmar
03-07-2019, 08:04 PM
Which charge covered stealing over $40M?

From what I understand, one FBI agent testified that in 2012 Manifort made 31M from Ukrainian politics and hid 27m of it....in 2014 over a period of time a total of 60m was wired from his overseas acounts and spent on houses and his expensive life style state side...dude reported nothing in taxes.

MisterVeritis
03-07-2019, 08:04 PM
After Trump gets re-elected he'll be pardoned with some of the others.
I don't think Manafort will be pardoned. His sentence may be commuted.

MisterVeritis
03-07-2019, 08:07 PM
I think Manafort worked for candidate Trump for less than two months.

Which calender do you use?
You are right. It was June to August. At most three months.

He joined the campaign in March.

Tahuyaman
03-07-2019, 08:08 PM
Well he gets to keep this home which of course you would lose over 'failing to pay some income taxes'



Manafort to forfeit five properties but will keep BallenIsles home

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/local/manafort-forfeit-five-properties-but-will-keep-ballenisles-home/JsNCzS7ybVr5lFYuxWccEK/




https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1552006113/5_lmczjx.png
Ok. Should I care? Do you care? If so, why?

MisterVeritis
03-07-2019, 08:08 PM
From what I understand, one FBI agent testified that in 2012 Manifort made 31M from Ukrainian politics and hid 27m of it....in 2014 over a period of time a total of 60m was wired from his overseas acounts and spent on houses and his expensive life style state side...dude reported nothing in taxes.
I found one reference of $16 million over four years.

exotix
03-07-2019, 08:10 PM
I don't think Manafort will be pardoned. His sentence may be commuted.I think Manafort has been punished enough ... hopefully he'll bunk-up with Bernie Madoff at the cushy creature-comfort Federal Correctional Complex at Butner, North Carolina ...



https://media.mnn.com/assets/images/2010/09/Butner-Prison-Final.jpg.638x0_q80_crop-smart.jpg

Grokmaster
03-07-2019, 08:11 PM
Manafort to be sentenced next week in Washington D.C. ... faces 10 Years.
The case in Ellis's court was The Big One, and Ellis correctly chided the Witch Hunt for going after Manafort, on YEARS OLD CHARGES, just to "GET TRUMP" which is the absolute TRUTH, and everyone knows it.


FOUR YEARS, and they will credit for TIME SERVED, rest assured.

The old guy has been IN SOLITARY for NINE MONTHS..WHAT THE F*** was that about?

MisterVeritis
03-07-2019, 08:13 PM
I think Manafort has been punished enough ... hopefully he'll bunk-up with Bernie Madoff at the cushy creature-comfort Federal Correctional Complex at Butner, North Carolina ...



LOL. Manafort will serve time. I expect it will be a few years.

exotix
03-07-2019, 08:14 PM
The case in Ellis's court was The Big One, and Ellis correctly chided the Witch Hunt for going after Manafort, on YEARS OLD CHARGES, just to "GET TRUMP" which is the absolute TRUTH, and everyone knows it.


FOUR YEARS, and they will credit for TIME SERVED, rest assured.

The old guy has been IN SOLITARY for NINE MONTHS..WHAT THE F*** was that about?For witness tampering and intimidation and communicating with Trumpf I believe ...

MisterVeritis
03-07-2019, 08:15 PM
For witness tampering and communicating with Trumpf I believe ...
That may have been the excuse.

Grokmaster
03-07-2019, 08:15 PM
Happening Now



Worldwide Outrage in Progress



25489

Beevee
03-07-2019, 08:16 PM
The case in Ellis's court was The Big One, and Ellis correctly chided the Witch Hunt for going after Manafort, on YEARS OLD CHARGES, just to "GET TRUMP" which is the absolute TRUTH, and everyone knows it.


FOUR YEARS, and they will credit for TIME SERVED, rest assured.

The old guy has been IN SOLITARY for NINE MONTHS..WHAT THE F*** was that about?

How long do you think he would have lasted in GenPop, as a Trump ally?

MisterVeritis
03-07-2019, 08:17 PM
How long do you think he would have lasted in GenPop, as a Trump ally?
If the state cannot assure his safety they should let him go. Make it house arrest.

Grokmaster
03-07-2019, 08:18 PM
And he gets to keep his 2 houses worth millions. This guy stole money from the American people to the tune of over $40 million and gets a slap on the wrist. If his name was Malcolm he would have got the book.
So you feel that Elijah Cummings, Charles Rangel, Al Sharpton, Tim Geitner, Tim Kaine, and all the other TAX CHEATS should be stripped of their homes, then?


Cool...start screaming for it.

Grokmaster
03-07-2019, 08:20 PM
For witness tampering and intimidation and communicating with Trumpf I believe ...

The Big Witch Hunt Case....got less than FOUR YEARS...

'Witness tampering"...what a joke.


Making up some more Trump lies, too, we see....

exotix
03-07-2019, 08:21 PM
That may have been the excuse.... and always be pathetic when in court ... LOL



https://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2019_10/2778351/190307-paul-manafort-sentencing-wide-se-637p_a4b145e1cb258da08e6899d9ab7a21b5.fit-760w.jpg

MisterVeritis
03-07-2019, 08:24 PM
... and always be pathetic when in court ... LOL



https://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2019_10/2778351/190307-paul-manafort-sentencing-wide-se-637p_a4b145e1cb258da08e6899d9ab7a21b5.fit-760w.jpg
Nine months in solitary confinement? He is older than me.

Shame on the Prosecutors who persecuted him in order to break him. This is what police states do.

Rantzmar
03-07-2019, 08:24 PM
The case in Ellis's court was The Big One, and Ellis correctly chided the Witch Hunt for going after Manafort, on YEARS OLD CHARGES, just to "GET TRUMP" which is the absolute TRUTH, and everyone knows it.



FOUR YEARS, and they will credit for TIME SERVED, rest assured.

The old guy has been IN SOLITARY for NINE MONTHS..WHAT THE F*** was that about?

But I do think Manifort screwed himself. Last year he was the one who decided not to combine all the charges into one court date. He decided to keep them separate thus the charges next week. He wont have Ellis next week.

And it was proven he failed to pay taxes on $31 million dollars.....not 41. But thats still a lot of change the American people have to make up.

Don
03-07-2019, 08:24 PM
After Trump gets re-elected he'll be pardoned with some of the others.

Or at least have his sentence commuted.

exotix
03-07-2019, 08:24 PM
Happening Now


Worldwide Outrage in Progress


http://thepoliticalforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=25489&d=1552007731LOL


Stunned Twitter Users React To Paul Manafort’s Light Sentence


https://www.inquisitr.com/5331174/twitter-react-paul-manafort-sentence-47-months/


‘Stuff In My Fridge Has Been There 47 Months’

Beevee
03-07-2019, 08:24 PM
If the state cannot assure his safety they should let him go. Make it house arrest.

That lets Trump off the hook. He can live out his term on all of his properties, so he will have a wonderful time travelling. Do you think he will be allowed to keep his passport?

exotix
03-07-2019, 08:28 PM
Nine months in solitary confinement? He is older than me.

Shame on the Prosecutors who persecuted him in order to break him. This is what police states do.You probably said the same thing when the Nixon cronies went to Prison



Watergate Seven

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_Seven

Don
03-07-2019, 08:28 PM
Worldwide outrage in progress.......... Yeah, by folks like this.... :laugh:

https://files.jcink.net/uploads/utb//democratemote.png

exotix
03-07-2019, 08:31 PM
Worldwide outrage in progress.......... Yeah, by folks like this.... :laugh:

https://files.jcink.net/uploads/utb//democratemote.pngManafort will probably be paroled before the caged-children on the border are.

MisterVeritis
03-07-2019, 08:31 PM
You probably said the same thing when the Nixon cronies went to Prison



Watergate Seven

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_Seven
Irrelevant.

MisterVeritis
03-07-2019, 08:32 PM
Manafort will probably be paroled before the caged-children on the border are.
Let's hope so. Boot the kids back over the border. Maybe by then, the wall will be completed.

texan
03-07-2019, 08:36 PM
Which charge covered stealing over $40M?
Not one charge said that. Typical of the libs. Just make things up. I hope he gets pardoned just to piss them off further.

exotix
03-07-2019, 08:37 PM
Irrelevant.I don't see why Manafort can't simply do his time electronically-monitored at the home he got to keep in Palm Beach ...



https://www.palmbeachpost.com/storyimage/LK/20171219/NEWS/812057975/AR/0/AR-812057975.jpg

MisterVeritis
03-07-2019, 08:40 PM
I don't see why Manafort can't simply do his time electronically-monitored at the home he got to keep in Palm Beach ...

If the State cannot keep him safe he should get house arrest. He is not a danger to the community. With all of his crimes combined, he has harmed me less than the never Trump members of the FED. And they still walk free.

Trish
03-07-2019, 08:42 PM
Manafort will probably be paroled before the caged-children on the border are.

Hahahahahaha - you're probably right.

exotix
03-07-2019, 08:43 PM
If the State cannot keep him safe he should get house arrest. He is not a danger to the community. With all of his crimes combined, he has harmed me less than the never Trump members of the FED. And they still walk free.I think Trumpf needs to pardon Manafort tonight so he can go home.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TDrnko7kCQ

Beevee
03-07-2019, 08:47 PM
I think Trumpf needs to pardon Manafort tonight so he can go home.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TDrnko7kCQ

You are forgetting next week's sentence. Don't jump the gun. Trump certainly won't.

Trish
03-07-2019, 08:48 PM
Don't be stupid, Trish. He committed no treason. If he wasn't slightly connected to President Trump he would have faced no criminal proceedings. You know it. But you are a hard left radical. I am glad you let that fact out of the bag.
https://media1.tenor.com/images/ffebd71e07cf005059bbda02b32d1c72/tenor.gif?itemid=10271603

exotix
03-07-2019, 08:50 PM
You are forgetting next week's sentence. Don't jump the gun. Trump certainly won't.Oh yeah ... damn ... ok, let's wait until next week for the Trumpf Manafort pardons ... LOL

exotix
03-07-2019, 08:52 PM
If the State cannot keep him safe he should get house arrest. He is not a danger to the community. With all of his crimes combined, he has harmed me less than the never Trump members of the FED. And they still walk free.Well, Manafort did get more time than Cohen.

MisterVeritis
03-07-2019, 08:54 PM
Don't be stupid, Trish. He committed no treason. If he wasn't slightly connected to President Trump he would have faced no criminal proceedings. You know it. But you are a hard left radical. I am glad you let that fact out of the bag.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/ffebd71e07cf005059bbda02b32d1c72/tenor.gif?itemid=10271603
Yes. Really. Prior to that, I assumed you were normal, competent and honorable.

MisterVeritis
03-07-2019, 08:55 PM
Well, Manafort did get more time than Cohen.
I think the hard leftists believe Cohen can still be used to harm President Trump. You did.

exotix
03-07-2019, 08:57 PM
LOL




Manafort attorney states there was no evidence he colluded with Russia

Kevin Downing, an attorney for Paul Manafort stated after his client was sentenced to 47 months in prison for financial crimes, that there was no evidence he ever colluded with Russia




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsBPtXvcPEo

Trish
03-07-2019, 09:05 PM
Don't be stupid, Trish. He committed no treason. If he wasn't slightly connected to President Trump he would have faced no criminal proceedings. You know it. But you are a hard left radical. I am glad you let that fact out of the bag.

Yes. Really. Prior to that, I assumed you were normal, competent and honorable.

Your comments to me are an example why I don't participate on this forum that much anymore. Why do you have to try to insult me personally by claiming I'm not normal, competent or honorable? Why can't you just say you don't agree with my comment?

It simply baffles me because I never try to go out of my way to personally attack people.

hanger4
03-07-2019, 09:09 PM
Your comments to me are an example why I don't participate on this forum that much anymore. Why do you have to try to insult me personally by claiming I'm not normal, competent or honorable? Why can't you just say you don't agree with my comment?It simply baffles me because I never try to go out of my way to personally attack people.Back up your treason statement and shut him up. It really is that simple.

Trish
03-07-2019, 09:11 PM
Back up your treason statement and shut him up. It really is that simple.

Why? He didn't question my comment he questioned who I am and insulted me. How about peddling some advice his way.

Tahuyaman
03-07-2019, 09:15 PM
Crime pays. This is a wonderful message to send everyone like Manafort who is $#@!ing over America. Damn, I'm just upset I didn't think of this myself. Treason pays!!!!
Treason? Get a grip. Anyone with even a semi functioning brain knows that the only reason he was indicted was because he worked for Trump.

L
Treason.....Sheesh.

hanger4
03-07-2019, 09:18 PM
Why? He didn't question my comment he questioned who I am and insulted me. How about peddling some advice his way.But he did Trish, "Don't be stupid, Trish. He committed no treason." You did make the claim.

Tahuyaman
03-07-2019, 09:23 PM
But he did Trish, "Don't be stupid, Trish. He committed no treason." You did make the claim.
That accusation is partisan stupidity. There’s no nice way to say it. Stupidity.

MisterVeritis
03-07-2019, 10:07 PM
Your comments to me are an example why I don't participate on this forum that much anymore. Why do you have to try to insult me personally by claiming I'm not normal, competent or honorable? Why can't you just say you don't agree with my comment?

It simply baffles me because I never try to go out of my way to personally attack people.
You are correct. I should not attack you simply because of your hard left, radical views.

MisterVeritis
03-07-2019, 10:09 PM
Why? He didn't question my comment he questioned who I am and insulted me. How about peddling some advice his way.
It was only after your "really" meme that I said "Yes. Really. Prior to that, I assumed you were normal, competent and honorable."
I shouldn't have. It bothers me that the federal government is run by radical, hard leftists.

Just AnotherPerson
03-07-2019, 10:12 PM
Seriously what the hell is wrong with you people? The personal insults go way too far. @Trish (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=2158) is one of the best members we have. How can people be so rude to someone who has gone out of her way to not start crap. No matter what awful stuff you said to her in the past she just sloughed it off and remained kind and friendly saying that you guys didnt really mean to insult her that it is just how you talk. She was way too kind to you guys and put up with alot of crap. But still you just keep slinging the crap. Good lord.

It is like you are playing some sort of sick game to see if you can break a genuinely good person. We are lucky to have a decent honorable person like Trish who posts here. Perhaps we don't deserve her.

You are a bunch of rude awful people who have nothing better to do than to tear one another down. It is possible to talk about the subject without tearing down each other. But it seems that those kinds of ethics are beyond some people.

alexa
03-07-2019, 10:24 PM
With any luck at all, he'll get cancer.

alexa
03-07-2019, 10:25 PM
Why? He didn't question my comment he questioned who I am and insulted me. How about peddling some advice his way.
Never gonna happen.

They're Trumplings.

alexa
03-07-2019, 10:26 PM
That accusation is partisan stupidity. There’s no nice way to say it. Stupidity.

Did you ask one?

They lied to you.

exotix
03-07-2019, 10:36 PM
Happening Now


Jurors react to Manafort Sentencing ... are horrified ... and most all believe that Judge Ellis did what he did to seek an appointment on a Trump cabinet position




https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1552016148/100_3947_k02u5d.jpg

Beevee
03-07-2019, 10:53 PM
Happening Now


Jurors react to Manafort Sentencing ... are horrified ... and most all believe that Judge Ellis did what he did to seek an appointment on a Trump cabinet position




https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1552016148/100_3947_k02u5d.jpg

Well, perhaps next week, Judge Jackson, an Obama appointee will go the opposite way and kick Manafort in the goolies.

MisterVeritis
03-07-2019, 10:55 PM
Seriously what the hell is wrong with you people? The personal insults go way too far. @Trish (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=2158) is one of the best members we have. How can people be so rude to someone who has gone out of her way to not start crap. No matter what awful stuff you said to her in the past she just sloughed it off and remained kind and friendly saying that you guys didnt really mean to insult her that it is just how you talk. She was way too kind to you guys and put up with alot of crap. But still you just keep slinging the crap. Good lord.

It is like you are playing some sort of sick game to see if you can break a genuinely good person. We are lucky to have a decent honorable person like Trish who posts here. Perhaps we don't deserve her.

You are a bunch of rude awful people who have nothing better to do than to tear one another down. It is possible to talk about the subject without tearing down each other. But it seems that those kinds of ethics are beyond some people.
You may think me rude. I am still right.

MisterVeritis
03-07-2019, 10:57 PM
With any luck at all, he'll get cancer.
That seems unlikely.

MisterVeritis
03-07-2019, 10:58 PM
Happening Now


Jurors react to Manafort Sentencing ... are horrified ... and most all believe that Judge Ellis did what he did to seek an appointment on a Trump cabinet position




https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1552016148/100_3947_k02u5d.jpg
That is one ugly juror. Democrat?

Beevee
03-07-2019, 11:01 PM
That is one ugly juror. Democrat?

More like Manafort's wife - without the makeup.

gamewell45
03-07-2019, 11:02 PM
I'm mildly surprised he got any time whatsoever; as a rule, the Washington elite usually don't do any time.

MisterVeritis
03-07-2019, 11:02 PM
More like Manafort's wife - without the makeup.
It looks like a Democrat woman.

MisterVeritis
03-07-2019, 11:05 PM
I'm mildly surprised he got any time whatsoever; as a rule, the Washington elite usually don't do any time.
Manafort committed some serious crimes. Manafort's crimes were nowhere near as serious as the coup plotters from Obama on down to Rosenstein, Comey, McCabe, ...you know the list. They are all still wandering around, darlings of the left.

Beevee
03-07-2019, 11:06 PM
It looks like a Democrat woman.

You aren't sure then? But you consistently post on this forum that you are always right.

exotix
03-07-2019, 11:09 PM
More like Manafort's wife - without the makeup.https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1535681234/Icons/_0_Greenie.gif

exotix
03-07-2019, 11:17 PM
It looks like a Democrat woman.Yes ? Why do I get the feeling your appearance is exactly like I imagine ... https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1535681234/Icons/_0_Greenie.gif




https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1552018610/100_3948_nglasz.jpg

Beevee
03-07-2019, 11:21 PM
Yes ? Why do I get the feeling your appearance is exactly like I imagine ... https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1535681234/Icons/_0_Greenie.gif




https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1552018610/100_3948_nglasz.jpg

Miracle cures are a known fact in the USA.
Treatment usually takes 47 months, even less when the patient complies with all medical requirements.

exotix
03-07-2019, 11:24 PM
Miracle cures are a known fact in the USA.
Treatment usually takes 47 months, even less when the patient complies with all medical requirements.


https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1535681245/Icons/_0_drivedevil.gif

MisterVeritis
03-07-2019, 11:26 PM
You aren't sure then? But you consistently post on this forum that you are always right.
I am nearly always right. When in doubt go with my view. You will be right far more often than you have been up until now.

MisterVeritis
03-07-2019, 11:28 PM
Yes ? Why do I get the feeling your appearance is exactly like I imagine ... https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1535681234/Icons/_0_Greenie.gif


Why does basic punctuation confound you?

exotix
03-07-2019, 11:29 PM
Why does basic punctuation confound you?Why does your appearence scream for a compassionate release ?


https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1535681234/Icons/_0_Greenie.gif




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compassionate_release

Beevee
03-07-2019, 11:31 PM
I am nearly always right. When in doubt go with my view. You will be right far more often than you have been up until now.

So now you qualify your remarks to give yourself a little leg room.

If you weren't the approximate age of Trump, he could be your father.

MisterVeritis
03-07-2019, 11:33 PM
Why does your appearence scream for a compassionate release ?

https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1535681234/Icons/_0_Greenie.gif

Why do basic punctuation and basic spelling confound you?

MisterVeritis
03-07-2019, 11:34 PM
I am nearly always right. When in doubt go with my view. You will be right far more often than you have been up until now.

So now you qualify your remarks to give yourself a little leg room.

If you weren't the approximate age of Trump, he could be your father.
I have always said I am nearly always right. Having Melania and Donald Trump as my parents would be wonderful.

exotix
03-07-2019, 11:37 PM
Why do basic punctuation and basic spelling confound you?... jus' tha' way I roll ... https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1535681245/Icons/_0_drivedevil.gif



https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1552019837/52703786_1776349585797795_7023729962414768128_n_1_ eddamb.jpg

Tahuyaman
03-07-2019, 11:38 PM
Did you ask one?

They lied to you.

I thought del was gone for a while.

Tahuyaman
03-07-2019, 11:39 PM
Why do basic punctuation and basic spelling confound you?

Probably for the same reason basic grammar flummoxes others.

Beevee
03-07-2019, 11:44 PM
I am nearly always right. When in doubt go with my view. You will be right far more often than you have been up until now.

I have always said I am nearly always right. Having Melania and Donald Trump as my parents would be wonderful.

He could certainly advise you on the finer points of extramarital sex.

Tahuyaman
03-07-2019, 11:46 PM
Why? He didn't question my comment he questioned who I am and insulted me. How about peddling some advice his way.
Please show where Manafort committed treason. Don’t swerve away from your accusation.

Tahuyaman
03-07-2019, 11:48 PM
I'm mildly surprised he got any time whatsoever; as a rule, the Washington elite usually don't do any time.

I don’t believe he has ever been considered part of the DC elite crowd.

Beevee
03-07-2019, 11:50 PM
I don’t believe he has ever been considered part of the DC elite crowd.

Isn't the DC elite crowd those who don't get caught?

Peter1469
03-08-2019, 05:40 AM
For starters false income tax returns and bank fraud and bank fraud conspiracy

I saw that later last night, thanks. Most of it was money made from foreign business deals that Cohen did not report on his taxes. Stupid. And criminal.

Peter1469
03-08-2019, 05:43 AM
They could have gotten Manafort years ago when he had connections to John McCain and others. It is outrageous that Tony Podesta was given immunity for testifying against Manafort for essentially the same thing. They weren't interested in justice here.

I think that is why Judge Ellis departed from the sentencing guidelines. Remember, the judge questioned Team Mueller early in the case "what does any of this have to do with Russia?" He also said that the government never would have gone after Cohen if he was not a Trump associate. Unfortunately, the general warrant provided to Mueller uncovered Cohen's real crimes.

Beevee
03-08-2019, 06:07 AM
I think that is why Judge Ellis departed from the sentencing guidelines. Remember, the judge questioned Team Mueller early in the case "what does any of this have to do with Russia?" He also said that the government never would have gone after Cohen if he was not a Trump associate. Unfortunately, the general warrant provided to Mueller uncovered Cohen's real crimes.

It seems to me you believe that anyone is permitted to break any law they choose as long as they don't get caught.
Do all lawyers think that way?

exotix
03-08-2019, 08:34 AM
Please show where Manafort committed treason. Don’t swerve away from your accusation.Manafort pleaded guilty to Conspiracy against the U.S. ... in addition to pleading guilty to obstruction of justice ...

DGUtley
03-08-2019, 08:35 AM
Manafort pleaded guilty to Conspiracy against the U.S. ... in addition to pleading guilty to obstruction of justice ...

Treason is a specific crime. He did not plead guilty to treason. LOL.

exotix
03-08-2019, 08:37 AM
Treason is a specific crime. He did not plead guilty to treason. LOL.You mean because Russia and the U.S. were not at a declared war with each other ?

DGUtley
03-08-2019, 08:40 AM
You mean because Russia and the U.S. were not at a declared war with each other ?

No, because he wasn't charged with nor did he plead guilty to treason. LOL.

alexa
03-08-2019, 08:40 AM
He led an otherwise blameless life according to the judge.

That's some funny shit right there.

exotix
03-08-2019, 08:43 AM
No, because he wasn't charged with nor did he plead guilty to treason. LOL.I see where you are going here ... trying to lessen the impact of what's happened here ... lemme guess, you are emboldened by the Judges' sentence of Manafort ?

DGUtley
03-08-2019, 08:49 AM
I see where you are going here ... trying to lessen the impact of what's happened here ... lemme guess, you are emboldened by the Judges' sentence of Manafort ?

I see where you are going here.... trying to overstate the impact of what's happened here. Let me guess -- you are disheartened by the Judge's sentence of Manafort and are overcompensating?

I don't care one way or the other what Manafort's sentence is. I don't care what the charges were, either. If someone broke the law, they should face the music and if convicted be subject to whatever sentence is appropriate. I didn't sit through the trial so I can't say whether this sentence is or isn't appropriate. I don't do criminal work. I don't know. I do know that he wasn't charged with treason. Why you fail to simply recognize that is beyond me. LOL.

exotix
03-08-2019, 08:55 AM
I see where you are going here.... trying to overstate the impact of what's happened here. Let me guess --


you are disheartened by the Judge's sentence of Manafort and are overcompensating?

I don't care one way or the other what Manafort's sentence is. I don't care what the charges were, either. If someone broke the law, they should face the music and if convicted be subject to whatever sentence is appropriate. I didn't sit through the trial so I can't say whether this sentence is or isn't appropriate. I don't do criminal work. I don't know. I do know that he wasn't charged with treason. Why you fail to simply recognize that is beyond me. LOL.Let's run with this one ... notice how the judge made it perfectly clear why he sentenced Manafort to only 4 years ... because it was a witchhunt.


Judges don't usually lessen a sentence because the judge thinks it was a withchunt ... usually its the opposite ... bank fraud and bank fraud conspiracy in the commission of conspiracy against the U.S. ?


That's not Treason ?

exotix
03-08-2019, 09:08 AM
Just In


Did the Judge say there was no Collusion with Russia ? ... LOL





https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1552054091/100_3953_qjwqhn.jpg

DGUtley
03-08-2019, 09:18 AM
Let's run with this one ... notice how the judge made it perfectly clear why he sentenced Manafort to only 4 years ... because it was a witchhunt. Judges don't usually lessen a sentence because the judge thinks it was a withchunt ... usually its the opposite ... bank fraud and bank fraud conspiracy in the commission of conspiracy against the U.S. ? That's not Treason ?

Treason is a specific crime. He was not charged with treason. Why can't you acknowledge that?

exotix
03-08-2019, 09:21 AM
Treason is a specific crime. He was not charged with treason. Why can't you acknowledge that?Its a matter of interpretation ... say for instance, Judge Ellis in sentencing Manafort ... told Manafort that Manafort "lived an otherwise blameless life".


What does that even mean ? Because Manafort for decades got away with it ?

alexa
03-08-2019, 09:25 AM
Its a matter of interpretation ... say for instance, Judge Ellis in sentencing Manafort ... told Manafort that Manafort "lived an otherwise blameless life".


What does that even mean ? Because Manafort for decades got away with it ?



“He has lived an otherwise blameless life,” said Judge T. S. Ellis as he sentenced Paul Manafort to just 47 months in prison on Thursday.

In an otherwise blameless life, Paul Manafort lobbied on behalf of the tobacco industry and wangled millions in tax breaks for corporations.

In an otherwise blameless life, he helped Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos bolster his image in Washington after he assassinated his primary political opponent.


In an otherwise blameless life, he worked to keep arms flowing to the Angolan generalissimo Jonas Savimbi, a monstrous leader bankrolled by the apartheid government in South Africa. While Manafort helped portray his client as an anti-communist “freedom fighter,” Savimbi’s army planted millions of land mines in peasant fields, resulting in 15,000 amputees.

In an otherwise blameless life, Manafort was kicked out of the lobbying firm he co-founded, accused of inflating his expenses and cutting his partners out of deals.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/03/paul-manaforts-otherwise-blamess-life-crime/584419/

DGUtley
03-08-2019, 09:52 AM
Its a matter of interpretation ... say for instance, Judge Ellis in sentencing Manafort ... told Manafort that Manafort "lived an otherwise blameless life". What does that even mean ? Because Manafort for decades got away with it ?

No. It's not a matter of interpretation. Treason is a specific crime. Why can't you acknowledge that?

Grokmaster
03-08-2019, 09:56 AM
Let's run with this one ... notice how the judge made it perfectly clear why he sentenced Manafort to only 4 years ... because it was a witchhunt.


Judges don't usually lessen a sentence because the judge thinks it was a withchunt ... usually its the opposite ... bank fraud and bank fraud conspiracy in the commission of conspiracy against the U.S. ?


That's not Treason ?

Manafort was only targeted as a means to "GET TRUMP", and everyone knows it, which is why the judge pointed out that this HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RUSSIAN COLLUSION.


Choke on it.

The SAME DOJ refused to prosecute the SAME CHARGES YEARS AGO...until the Witch Hunt....Judge Ellis is being FRANK and everyone knows what he said is TRUE.


Now, off to the OBAMA-APPOINTEE JUDGE, for some Kangaroo Court "justice"....

Beevee
03-08-2019, 09:57 AM
I don't understand why one section of American society is prepared to accept that victimless crime is acceptable when performed by one class of people but criminal when the same is performed by those who do so to buy tomorrow's lunch.

Grokmaster
03-08-2019, 09:59 AM
I don't understand why one section of American society is prepared to accept that victimless crime is acceptable when performed by one class of people but criminal when the same is performed by those who do so to buy tomorrow's lunch.

Explain please.

DGUtley
03-08-2019, 10:06 AM
I don't understand why one section of American society is prepared to accept that victimless crime is acceptable when performed by one class of people but criminal when the same is performed by those who do so to buy tomorrow's lunch.

What are you talking about? Please explain.

exotix
03-08-2019, 10:12 AM
No. It's not a matter of interpretation. Treason is a specific crime. Why can't you acknowledge that?The last time anybody was charged and convicted with Treason in the U.S. was 1952.

exotix
03-08-2019, 10:14 AM
Manafort was only targeted as a means to "GET TRUMP", and everyone knows it, which is why the judge pointed out that this HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RUSSIAN COLLUSION.


Choke on it.

The SAME DOJ refused to prosecute the SAME CHARGES YEARS AGO...until the Witch Hunt....Judge Ellis is being FRANK and everyone knows what he said is TRUE.


Now, off to the OBAMA-APPOINTEE JUDGE, for some Kangaroo Court "justice"....Notice that Manafort would still be out their committing heinous crimes had he not decided to lick Trumpfs' boots ... https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1535681234/Icons/_0_Greenie.gif

Beevee
03-08-2019, 10:16 AM
What are you talking about? Please explain.

Manipulate Wall Street and create a false stock price in order to take a profit. Victimless, unless you are one who was about to sell - buy at one price but couldn't.

Theft of a credit card to buy food. Victimless, if the card is reported lost immediately. Other than the credit card company taking the hit, which is already factored into their charges.

Scenario 1. No action.
Scenario 2. 5 years.

Tahuyaman
03-08-2019, 10:29 AM
Treason is a specific crime. He did not plead guilty to treason. LOL.

This is almost unbelievable.

exotix
03-08-2019, 10:31 AM
This is almost unbelievable.Why ? Manafort pleaded guilty to the lesser charge of Conspiracy against the U.S. so to take the Death Penalty off the table.

alexa
03-08-2019, 10:33 AM
Manipulate Wall Street and create a false stock price in order to take a profit. Victimless, unless you are one who was about to sell - buy at one price but couldn't.

Theft of a credit card to buy food. Victimless, if the card is reported lost immediately. Other than the credit card company taking the hit, which is already factored into their charges.

Scenario 1. No action.
Scenario 2. 5 years.



Scott Hechinger, a senior staff attorney at Brooklyn Defender Services (http://bds.org/), an organization that provides legal representation to defendants who cannot afford it, used one of his recent clients, who was just offered a 36-to-72-month sentence, as an example. The crime? Stealing $100 worth of quarters from a residential laundry room. Hechinger’s client may wind up doing more time than Manafort, a man who defrauded the Internal Revenue Service out of $6 million.


Hechinger listed a half dozen more examples. Among them were a Brooklyn teenager who got a 19-years-to-life (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/15/nyregion/brooklyn-teenager-gets-19-years-to-life-for-fire-that-killed-officer.html) sentence for burning a mattress in the hallway of his apartment building, resulting in the smoke-inhalation death of an officer who responded to the scene. He also cited the case of Crystal Mason, an ex-felon who was sent back to prison for five years (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/03/30/texas-woman-sentenced-to-5-years-in-prison-for-voting-while-on-probation/?utm_term=.d9690a32cb04) after voting in the 2016 presidential election while on probation (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/03/30/texas-woman-sentenced-to-5-years-in-prison-for-voting-while-on-probation/?utm_term=.fdd82abde847) — an act she says she didn’t know was illegal.
Seems fair, amirite?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2019/03/08/legal-community-lashes-out-inequity-manaforts-mind-boggling-month-sentence/?utm_term=.d0915a59ee2e

DGUtley
03-08-2019, 10:36 AM
Manipulate Wall Street and create a false stock price in order to take a profit. Victimless, unless you are one who was about to sell - buy at one price but couldn't. Theft of a credit card to buy food. Victimless, if the card is reported lost immediately. Other than the credit card company taking the hit, which is already factored into their charges. Scenario 1. No action. cenario 2. 5 years.

Who here said that crimes shouldn't be punished?

Tahuyaman
03-08-2019, 10:56 AM
Why ? Manafort pleaded guilty to the lesser charge of Conspiracy against the U.S. so to take the Death Penalty off the table.
Are you one of those Russian internet trolls?

exotix
03-08-2019, 11:05 AM
Are you one of those Russian internet trolls?This coming from a dude with a pic uploaded from a Russian Mob Porn Site as his avatar ... https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1535681245/Icons/_0_drivedevil.gif

Tahuyaman
03-08-2019, 11:09 AM
I don't understand why one section of American society is prepared to accept that victimless crime is acceptable when performed by one class of people but criminal when the same is performed by those who do so to buy tomorrow's lunch.

Did someone make that case here?

Tahuyaman
03-08-2019, 11:10 AM
Are you one of those Russian internet trolls?


This coming from a dude with a pic uploaded from a Russian Mob Porn Site as his avatar ... https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1535681245/Icons/_0_drivedevil.gif
I'll take that as a yes.

Beevee
03-08-2019, 11:16 AM
Who here said that crimes shouldn't be punished?

Here, being the forum or here being the USA?

Ransom
03-08-2019, 11:24 AM
Seems fair, amirite?

Remember when your accusations were Russian Collusion? What has happened? You didn't get 3,2,1'd again did you?

:biglaugh:

donttread
03-08-2019, 11:31 AM
*Breaking*



No Remorse ... no Apology ... "I was victimized ... I have been Humiliated" ... asks for compassion'


~ Manafort speaks in Court




'Sentencing Guidelines are Excessive ... and 'He has lived an otherwise blameless life'


~ Judge Ellis



Wow.

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ei=GbKBXIqjA9Dw_AaonJ_wBQ&q=Manafort+Judge&oq=Manafort+Judge&gs_l=psy-ab.12..0i131l2j0l2.8454.14131..16416...0.0..1.173. 1985.24j1......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i8i7i30j33i10.AcjYNOnMuQw



https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1552003178/100_3944_ryu3nu.jpg

How many career insiders at the federal level: Politicians, Department brass ( esp. FBI and CIA) , even judges do you think have NOT committed serious crimes?

Tahuyaman
03-08-2019, 11:32 AM
Here, being the forum or here being the USA?

Who here made the case you complained about?

DGUtley
03-08-2019, 11:39 AM
How many career insiders at the federal level: Politicians, Department brass ( esp. FBI and CIA) , even judges do you think have NOT committed serious crimes?

Boy, I hope 99.9% of them.

alexa
03-08-2019, 11:47 AM
Remember when your accusations were Russian Collusion? What has happened? You didn't get 3,2,1'd again did you?

:biglaugh:

I never thought Trump colluded with the Russians.

Like the useful idiot he is, he was used by them.

Try harder, your repetition has become tiresome.

DGUtley
03-08-2019, 11:52 AM
I never thought Trump colluded with the Russians. Like the useful idiot he is, he was used by them. Try harder, your repetition has become tiresome.

Shouldn't that be: ...your reiteration has become tiresome...? :wink: :wink: :wink: (jk)

exotix
03-08-2019, 11:53 AM
I never thought Trump colluded with the Russians.

Like the useful idiot he is, he was used by them.

Try harder, your repetition has become tiresome.... that Ransom would embrace communists simply to uphold Trumpf really takes the cake ... https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1535681245/Icons/_0_drivedevil.gif

Tahuyaman
03-08-2019, 12:00 PM
Embrace communists? When?

alexa
03-08-2019, 12:12 PM
Shouldn't that be: ...your reiteration has become tiresome...? :wink: :wink: :wink: (jk)

I'll defer to your expertise in the quotidian.

Grokmaster
03-08-2019, 12:27 PM
I never thought Trump colluded with the Russians.

Like the useful idiot he is, he was used by them.

Try harder, your repetition has become tiresome.

It's amazing how the Russians used him to get themselves bombed in Syria, killing hundreds of themselves; to trash the mid-range nuke pact, thereby allowing US nukes into Europe; to get the E. European missile defense shield (that Obama reneged on) built in their own backyard, Poland ;to openly denigrate the Russia-German gas pipeline, and open the European natural gas market to American companies; to berate European NATO allies into massively increasing their own defense spending, according to NATO's leader; and to enact the toughest sanctions on Russia since the Cold War.

WOW...the Russians have sure " played Trump" , haven't they? :smiley_ROFLMAO:

Tahuyaman
03-08-2019, 12:36 PM
Crime pays. This is a wonderful message to send everyone like Manafort who is $#@!ing over America. Damn, I'm just upset I didn't think of this myself. Treason pays!!!!

Actually the judge in this case knows that the piling on of charges which could have resulted basically in life in prison was more about the corruption of this investigation than it was about what crimes Manafort committed.

exotix
03-08-2019, 12:42 PM
I'll defer to your expertise in the quotidian.https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1535681245/Icons/_0_drivedevil.gif

alexa
03-08-2019, 01:00 PM
It's amazing how the Russians used him to get themselves bombed in Syria, killing hundreds of themselves; to trash the mid-range nuke pact, thereby allowing US nukes into Europe; to get the E. European missile defense shield (that Obama reneged on) built in their own backyard, Poland ;to openly denigrate the Russia-German gas pipeline, and open the European natural gas market to American companies; to berate European NATO allies into massively increasing their own defense spending, according to NATO's leader; and to enact the toughest sanctions on Russia since the Cold War.

WOW...the Russians have sure " played Trump" , haven't they? :smiley_ROFLMAO:
Not as well as Trump played you fools.

Grokmaster
03-08-2019, 01:03 PM
Not as well as Trump played you fools.

I know...the way he did all this, at the behest of the Russians, tricked us ALL! EXCEPT YOU and the TDSers….you GUYS KNEW BETTER ALL ALONG!!! :rofl:

Originally Posted by Grokmaster http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=2552340#post2552340) It's amazing how the Russians used him to get themselves bombed in Syria, killing hundreds of themselves; to trash the mid-range nuke pact, thereby allowing US nukes into Europe; to get the E. European missile defense shield (that Obama reneged on) built in their own backyard, Poland ;to openly denigrate the Russia-German gas pipeline, and open the European natural gas market to American companies; to berate European NATO allies into massively increasing their own defense spending, according to NATO's leader; and to enact the toughest sanctions on Russia since the Cold War.

WOW...the Russians have sure " played Trump" , haven't they? :smiley_ROFLMAO:

exotix
03-08-2019, 01:03 PM
Actually the judge in this case knows that the piling on of charges which could have resulted basically in life in prison was more about the corruption of this investigation than it was about what crimes Manafort committed.Corrupted investigation ? ... LOL


https://images.axios.com/JOceY0FpzGba5fByRJvJ8g-xc1U=/0x0:2400x1350/1920x1080/2019/01/25/1548432849056.png

Grokmaster
03-08-2019, 01:05 PM
Corrupted investigation ? ... LOL


https://images.axios.com/JOceY0FpzGba5fByRJvJ8g-xc1U=/0x0:2400x1350/1920x1080/2019/01/25/1548432849056.png

Now...let's see all the RUSSIAN COLLUSION indictments...right here: :rollseyes:_______________________________________ ________________


25500

alexa
03-08-2019, 01:06 PM
The all caps definitely makes it all the more impressive, but there's no such crime as collusion..

Tahuyaman
03-08-2019, 01:07 PM
Some judges can smell corruption and some are part of the corruption.

Tahuyaman
03-08-2019, 01:08 PM
The all caps definitely makes it all the more impressive, but there's no such crime as collusion..


For once, an accurate comment. Kudos to you.

Grokmaster
03-08-2019, 01:10 PM
Some judges can smell corruption and some are part of the corruption.

The DC judge is an OBAMA APPOINTEE LEFTIST, hand-picked by the Witch Hunt...

Grokmaster
03-08-2019, 01:12 PM
The all caps definitely makes it all the more impressive, but there's no such crime as collusion..

So the entire Witch Hunt was predicated on a LIE....at least you finally admit the Truth most have already figured out...


Commenting ON CAPS USE just exacerbates the obvious fact that you are out of bullets....

exotix
03-08-2019, 01:36 PM
Now...let's see all the RUSSIAN COLLUSION indictments...right here: :rollseyes:_______________________________________ ________________


http://thepoliticalforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=25500&d=1552068329Except for Maria Butina ... who colluded with the NRA to get Trumpf elected who conspired with the NRA to money-launder $30 Million into the Trumpf campaign ... now arrested and charged with Conspiring against the U.S. as she tried to flee the U.S. ... and now cooperating with Mueller ... well, good luck extraditing all the other Russians ...




LOL




Maria Butina in the Oval Office with Trumpf and all the other Russians now charged with Conspiracy against the U.S. ... in the Oval Office for chris'sakes ..


https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--XWCXxKhK--/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/rxtwnynrogevmwa4gyvq.jpg


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiSuzEYWAAAR4Lc.jpg

Trish
03-08-2019, 01:44 PM
It's clear to me that most on this forum defending the judge's sentence have very little, if any, principles. And I'm not shocked to see the connection to which political party these unprincipled men belong or lean.

It all comes full circle

DGUtley
03-08-2019, 01:46 PM
It's clear to me that most on this forum defending the judge's sentence have very little, if any, principles. And I'm not shocked to see the connection to which political party these unprincipled men belong or lean. It all comes full circle

Who has defended the sentence? It's just not treason.

Tahuyaman
03-08-2019, 01:46 PM
The DC judge is an OBAMA APPOINTEE LEFTIST, hand-picked by the Witch Hunt...


Well, he ignored the sentencing guidelines and the Mueller recomendation. He knows what's going on here. Most liberal types are angry that Manafort didn't get at least twenty years in prison.

Tahuyaman
03-08-2019, 01:50 PM
Who has defended the sentence? It's just not treason.


I'm not sure what her objection is. However, I'll defend the sentence. I think it's just and fair. He certainly doesn't deserve life in prison. He also didn't deserve to be sentenced to time served and go on his merry way either.

Tahuyaman
03-08-2019, 01:52 PM
Except for Maria Butina ... who colluded with the NRA to get Trumpf elected who conspired with the NRA to money-launder $30 Million into the Trumpf campaign ...

That is hilarious.

DGUtley
03-08-2019, 01:53 PM
I'm not sure what her objection is. However, I'll defend the sentence. I think it's just and fair. He certainly doesn't deserve life in prison. He also didn't deserve to be sentenced to time served and go on his merry way either.

I don't know enough about the trial to defend it or criticize it. Usually, I think that you'd adhere to the sentencing guidelines (absent extraordinary circumstances) so my eyebrows are raised why the judge deviated so far from them. That troubles me. The guidelines are there for a reason.

Trish
03-08-2019, 01:54 PM
Who has defended the sentence? It's just not treason.

Can you address an issue without your lawyer's hat on. Your comments are almost always measured making someone who doesn't know which way you lean difficult to determine what you really think.

Any person who loves their country and was taught the difference between right and wrong can see this sentence was a joke.

Tahuyaman
03-08-2019, 01:55 PM
I don't know enough about the trial to defend it or criticize it. Usually, I think that you'd adhere to the sentencing guidelines (absent extraordinary circumstances) so my eyebrows are raised why the judge deviated so far from them. That troubles me. The guidelines are there for a reason.


The corruption surrounding this entire investigation is a great example of extraordinary circumstances. The judge recognized this.

DGUtley
03-08-2019, 01:55 PM
Can you address an issue without your lawyer's hat on. Your comments are almost always measured making someone who doesn't know which way you lean difficult to determine what you really think. Any person who loves their country and was taught the difference between right and wrong can see this sentence was a joke.

I can't. I wish I could. I can't. Lawyers are trained to think a certain way. I've already said that I don't know enough about it to say one way or the other about the sentence. I predicted 7 years but that was a W.A.G.

Tahuyaman
03-08-2019, 02:01 PM
I can't. I wish I could. I can't. Lawyers are trained to think a certain way. I've already said that I don't know enough about it to say one way or the other about the sentence. I predicted 7 years but that was a W.A.G.

Would seven years have been within the sentencing guidelines?

Trish
03-08-2019, 02:14 PM
I can't. I wish I could. I can't. Lawyers are trained to think a certain way. I've already said that I don't know enough about it to say one way or the other about the sentence. I predicted 7 years but that was a W.A.G.

You don't need to know more about it to form a gut opinion. What we do know is that he committed fraud and he evaded paying taxes for a looooooong time. It wasn't a one time thing. It was methodical.

Beevee
03-08-2019, 02:15 PM
Can you address an issue without your lawyer's hat on. Your comments are almost always measured making someone who doesn't know which way you lean difficult to determine what you really think.

Any person who loves their country and was taught the difference between right and wrong can see this sentence was a joke.

Anyone outside of your country tends to laugh at the recurring claims that the USA has the best justice system on the planet.

alexa
03-08-2019, 02:15 PM
Would seven years have been within the sentencing guidelines?

No, not even close.

ripmeister
03-08-2019, 02:19 PM
Which charge covered stealing over $40M?
So the dollar amount matters?

Tahuyaman
03-08-2019, 02:20 PM
Anyone outside of your country tends to laugh at the recurring claims that the USA has the best justice system on the planet.

This sentencing supports that. A judge identified politically motivated corruption and did the right thing in this case.

Trish
03-08-2019, 02:20 PM
Anyone outside of your country tends to laugh at the recurring claims that the USA has the best justice system on the planet.

We're also not number 1. That's also a misconception and a lie some try and peddle.

Tahuyaman
03-08-2019, 02:22 PM
You don't need to know more about it to form a gut opinion. What we do know is that he committed fraud and he evaded paying taxes for a looooooong time. It wasn't a one time thing. It was methodical.


And he's being fined heavily and going to prison for a few years. Are you advocating an execution? Life in prison?

Beevee
03-08-2019, 02:29 PM
This sentencing supports that. A judge identified politically motivated corruption and did the right thing in this case.

It's a pity then that the judge chose that course of action instead of following the evidence. And that's why it's laughable.

Tahuyaman
03-08-2019, 02:46 PM
It's a pity then that the judge chose that course of action instead of following the evidence. And that's why it's laughable.
He did follow the evidence. The evidence proved to him that corruption in government was a substantial factor in this prosecution.

ripmeister
03-08-2019, 02:47 PM
This is really kind of disheartening that a guy like this gets a slap
on the wrist relative to the guidelines and some kid smoking some pot somewhere gets hammered. And people wonder where the concept of a two tiered justice system comes from.

alexa
03-08-2019, 03:08 PM
This is really kind of disheartening that a guy like this gets a slap
on the wrist relative to the guidelines and some kid smoking some pot somewhere gets hammered. And people wonder where the concept of a two tiered justice system comes from.


The judge who originally put him behind bars for violating his cooperation agreement will be sentencing him next.

I don't expect him to make out quite so well there.

alexa
03-08-2019, 03:09 PM
He did follow the evidence. The evidence proved to him that corruption in government was a substantial factor in this prosecution.
Where did he say that?

I'm sure you're not just pulling out of your ass so I know that not supplying a link in your original post was a regrettable oversight.

lol

Tahuyaman
03-08-2019, 03:11 PM
Where did he say that?

I'm sure you're not just pulling out of your ass so I know that not supplying a link in your original post was a regrettable oversight.

lol

He said it with his actions.

alexa
03-08-2019, 03:12 PM
He said it with his actions. So you've got nothing. I'm stunned. Do you seriously expect anyone but your fellow mouth breathers patriots to believe that a sitting Federal judge knew that there was corruption taking place in his court room and said nothing about it?

Tahuyaman
03-08-2019, 03:13 PM
This is really kind of disheartening that a guy like this gets a slap
on the wrist relative to the guidelines and some kid smoking some pot somewhere gets hammered. And people wonder where the concept of a two tiered justice system comes from.


A month short of four years in prison, the huge fine and forfeiture of property is a slap on the wrist?

DGUtley
03-08-2019, 03:14 PM
Anyone outside of your country tends to laugh at the recurring claims that the USA has the best justice system on the planet.

It does. Hands down. No other system bends over backwards to protect the rights of the accused like the US.

alexa
03-08-2019, 03:15 PM
It does. Hands down. No other system bends over backwards to protect the rights of the accused like the US.

As long as the accused can afford it.

alexa
03-08-2019, 03:16 PM
"In the halls of justice, the only justice is in the halls" is a truism for a reason.

DGUtley
03-08-2019, 03:18 PM
As long as the accused can afford it.

No. We spend a fortune to provide counsel and experts for the accused at no cost to them. This comes down to do we have to provide adequate or superstar counsel. Constitutionally, I think it is adequate counsel. Personally, I think we have to do better but the public lacks the will to pay for it. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/07/public-defender-us-criminal-justice-system

ripmeister
03-08-2019, 03:20 PM
A month short of four years in prison, the huge fine and forfeiture of property is a slap on the wrist?
Relative to the guidelines? Yes!

DGUtley
03-08-2019, 03:21 PM
"In the halls of justice, the only justice is in the halls" is a truism for a reason.

What is justice? I think what that means is that is where you get your best deal. Once you walk into the courtroom, you lose all control.

Beevee
03-08-2019, 03:25 PM
It does. Hands down. No other system bends over backwards to protect the rights of the accused like the US.

Lol.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_incarceration_rate

alexa
03-08-2019, 03:25 PM
No. We spend a fortune to provide counsel and experts for the accused at no cost to them. This comes down to do we have to provide adequate or superstar counsel. Constitutionally, I think it is adequate counsel. Personally, I think we have to do better but the public lacks the will to pay for it. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/07/public-defender-us-criminal-justice-system

Your average public defender, even with the best of intentions, isn't capable of adequately representing hundreds or thousands of defendants a year. It's kabuki.

We both know that's true. I won't bother with pointing out that the salary for a public defender isn't exactly big bucks to someone coming out of law school with big student debt.

Or maybe I will.

alexa
03-08-2019, 03:27 PM
What is justice? I think what that means is that is where you get your best deal. Once you walk into the courtroom, you lose all control.
For 99% of the population what justice is is accidental.

DGUtley
03-08-2019, 03:29 PM
Your average public defender, even with the best of intentions, isn't capable of adequately representing hundreds or thousands of defendants a year. It's kabuki. We both know that's true. I won't bother with pointing out that the salary for a public defender isn't exactly big bucks to someone coming out of law school with big student debt. Or maybe I will.

Yes, I agree. We have to do a better job at it.

Tahuyaman
03-08-2019, 03:30 PM
The judge who originally put him behind bars for violating his cooperation agreement will be sentencing him next.

I don't expect him to make out quite so well there.

He might receive a shorter prison term to be run concurrent with this one. It’s difficult to predict.

DGUtley
03-08-2019, 03:30 PM
Lol.

Listen. It's true. You know it's true. I know it's true. We all know it's true. Is it perfect? No. Is it the best? Yes.

Tahuyaman
03-08-2019, 03:33 PM
Relative to the guidelines? Yes!
Why do you suppose the judge ignored the sentencing guidelines?

alexa
03-08-2019, 03:35 PM
Yes, I agree. We have to do a better job at it.
We should be better than the Scandinavian socialists, don't you think?



The top three overall performers in the 2017-2018 WJP Rule of Law Index were Denmark (1), Norway (2), and Finland (3); the bottom three were Afghanistan (111), Cambodia (112), and Venezuela (113). The top three and bottom three performing countries have not changed since the 2016 Index.
Countries leading their regions in overall rule of law scores included: Nepal (South Asia), Georgia (Eastern Europe and Central Asia); Ghana (Sub-Saharan Africa); Uruguay (Latin America and the Caribbean); United Arab Emirates (Middle East and North Africa); New Zealand (East Asia and Pacific), and Denmark (Western Europe and North America, defined as EU + EFTA + North America).

https://worldjusticeproject.org/our-work/research-and-data/wjp-rule-law-index-2017%E2%80%932018

Beevee
03-08-2019, 03:35 PM
Listen. It's true. You know it's true. I know it's true. We all know it's true. Is it perfect? No. Is it the best? Yes.

You might well be able to tell others here what they know.
Don't tell me what I know.

DGUtley
03-08-2019, 03:39 PM
You might well be able to tell others here what they know. Don't tell me what I know.

C'mon. You know it to be true.

ripmeister
03-08-2019, 03:42 PM
Why do you suppose the judge ignored the sentencing guidelines?
I don't know. Maybe he's one of those activist judges?

DGUtley
03-08-2019, 03:42 PM
We should be better than the Scandinavian socialists, don't you think? https://worldjusticeproject.org/our-work/research-and-data/wjp-rule-law-index-2017–2018

Apples / Oranges. Justice system. Not discrimination, right to life and security, freedom of expression and religion, right to privacy, freedom of association, and labor rights. Not downplaying the importance of most (if not all) of those things but we're talking here of our justice system.

exotix
03-08-2019, 04:10 PM
Today


Trumpf adds new word(s) to the English Language ... LOL




'It's a collusion witch hoax'

https://www.alternet.org/2019/03/watch-trump-incoherently-rants-about-russian-witch-hoax-on-white-house-lawn/

Trump incoherently rants about Russian ‘witch hoax’ on White House lawn


Trump claimed today that the federal judge who sentenced his former campaign manager Paul Manafort cleared his campaign of collusion with Russia.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=EE7yIxCHJxE


https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1552079577/7_rnxinr.png

DGUtley
03-08-2019, 04:13 PM
today


trumpf adds new word(s) to the english language ... Lol


'it's a collusion witch hoax'


https://www.alternet.org/2019/03/watch-trump-incoherently-rants-about-russian-witch-hoax-on-white-house-lawn/


trump incoherently rants about russian ‘witch hoax’ on white house lawn




https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=ee7yixchjxe


https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1552079577/7_rnxinr.png

how is this even remotely related to this thread?

exotix
03-08-2019, 04:23 PM
how is this even remotely related to this thread? Like what do you mean ?


Trumpf rambled in unhinged delusions about the Manafort sentencing ... WVF (Watching the Video is Fundamental) ... LOL

hanger4
03-08-2019, 04:23 PM
Manafort's restitution: Judge TS Ellis set Manafort's restitution payment in a range from $6 million to almost $25 million because it's not yet clear how much money Manafort will relinquish to the federal government in his forfeiture proceeding. ............. Seems to me 47 months, 6 to 25 million in restitution is quite fare.

Private Pickle
03-08-2019, 04:40 PM
To be honest I'm surprised this thread has 22 pages thus far. I mean is anyone surprised that a political elite got a soft sentencing? Wake up people. They are the "nobility" of America. The only difference between the nobility seen around the world and American nobility is that in America there is no one to blame but the plebs...

exotix
03-08-2019, 04:44 PM
To be honest I'm surprised this thread has 22 pages thus far. I mean is anyone surprised that a political elite got a soft sentencing? Wake up people. They are the "nobility" of America. The only difference between the nobility seen around the world and American nobility is that in America there is no one to blame but the plebs...Well except that they all had perfect and profitable criminal enterprises until they *went into business* with Trumpf ... and are now fucked for life ... Man O Man.

hanger4
03-08-2019, 04:46 PM
Never gonna happen. They're Trumplings.Is MV caustic, sure, did Trish accuse Manafort of treason, yes. Did Manafort commit treason, no. That accusation has been beat down and debunked ad nauseum.

Private Pickle
03-08-2019, 04:50 PM
Well except that they all had perfect and profitable criminal enterprises until they *went into business* with Trumpf ... and are now fucked for life ... Man O Man.

LOL. Right. That's why Hillary wasn't charged. Why Bill Clinton got away with rape and sexual harassment and why he wasn't censured after impeachment. Why Comey hasn't been indicted. Why no one was indicted for the IRS scandal of 2013. Why Holder wasn't indicted even after he was held in contempt by Congress...

I could go on... I think it's going to snow this weekend... Fucking Trump...

Beevee
03-08-2019, 04:55 PM
LOL. Right. That's why Hillary wasn't charged. Why Bill Clinton got away with rape and sexual harassment and why he wasn't censured after impeachment. Why Comey hasn't been indicted. Why no one was indicted for the IRS scandal of 2013. Why Holder wasn't indicted even after he was held in contempt by Congress...

I could go on... I think it's going to snow this weekend... $#@!ing Trump...

So you don't put the lack of indictments on the former Republican majority Congress?
Why is that?

alexa
03-08-2019, 04:56 PM
He might receive a shorter prison term to be run concurrent with this one. It’s difficult to predict.
He might be nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize. It's difficult to predict.

10 years to be served consecutively

alexa
03-08-2019, 05:00 PM
Apples / Oranges. Justice system. Not discrimination, right to life and security, freedom of expression and religion, right to privacy, freedom of association, and labor rights. Not downplaying the importance of most (if not all) of those things but we're talking here of our justice system.
I'm talking about rule of law of which justice is a part.

Peter1469
03-08-2019, 06:37 PM
It seems to me you believe that anyone is permitted to break any law they choose as long as they don't get caught.
Do all lawyers think that way?

Think general warrant, then get back to me.

Peter1469
03-08-2019, 06:40 PM
Let's run with this one ... notice how the judge made it perfectly clear why he sentenced Manafort to only 4 years ... because it was a witchhunt.


Judges don't usually lessen a sentence because the judge thinks it was a withchunt ... usually its the opposite ... bank fraud and bank fraud conspiracy in the commission of conspiracy against the U.S. ?


That's not Treason ?
No.

A document (http://constitutionus.com/)that you are wholly unfamiliar with describes it.

Peter1469
03-08-2019, 06:42 PM
Notice that Manafort would still be out their committing heinous crimes had he not decided to lick Trumpfs' boots ... https://res.cloudinary.com/luvckye9s/image/upload/v1535681234/Icons/_0_Greenie.gif
Hiding his money from the IRS is not a heinous crime. A crime yes.

MisterVeritis
03-08-2019, 06:50 PM
It's clear to me that most on this forum defending the judge's sentence have very little, if any, principles. And I'm not shocked to see the connection to which political party these unprincipled men belong or lean.

It all comes full circle
Why do you object to the sentence? It seems reasonable.

MisterVeritis
03-08-2019, 06:55 PM
You don't need to know more about it to form a gut opinion. What we do know is that he committed fraud and he evaded paying taxes for a looooooong time. It wasn't a one time thing. It was methodical.
Manafort concealed $16 million dollars earned over four years. So he failed to pay $5-6 million dollars. To root out this heinous crime Mueller spent 30 million dollars?

MisterVeritis
03-08-2019, 06:59 PM
This is really kind of disheartening that a guy like this gets a slap
on the wrist relative to the guidelines and some kid smoking some pot somewhere gets hammered. And people wonder where the concept of a two tiered justice system comes from.
Two-tiered justice comes from the failure to investigate Crooked Hillary dispassionately while trying to destroy everyone who helped candidate Trump become President Trump.

MisterVeritis
03-08-2019, 07:03 PM
Today
Trumpf adds new word(s) to the English Language ... LOL
'It's a collusion witch hoax'
Cool. Shakespeare did the same. He was constantly innovating new words and phrases. We continue to use his fresh phrases to this day.

Except, perhaps, for you.

MisterVeritis
03-08-2019, 07:05 PM
Is MV caustic, sure, did Trish accuse Manafort of treason, yes. Did Manafort commit treason, no. That accusation has been beat down and debunked ad nauseum.
I shall try to be kinder and gentler.

MisterVeritis
03-08-2019, 07:06 PM
So you don't put the lack of indictments on the former Republican majority Congress?
Why is that?
Congress does not indict.

Private Pickle
03-08-2019, 07:06 PM
So you don't put the lack of indictments on the former Republican majority Congress?
Why is that?

Because there was a Democratically majority Congress during the Bush years that resulted in no indictments.

Tahuyaman
03-08-2019, 07:17 PM
He might be nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize. It's difficult to predict.

10 years to be served consecutively
That would prove partisan hackery in this. Of course anyone with a brain already knew that.

The Xl
03-08-2019, 07:21 PM
It's sort of obvious that they went after him because of Trump. It should mortify everyone that our government does things on a politically motivated level. I hope everyone understands that this is the norm too, members of the state either harass or look the other way depending on the variables of the situation, and this happens on all levels of the government. We don't really have justice in this country.

Tahuyaman
03-08-2019, 07:24 PM
Nearly ever liberal here is so ate up with partisan stupidity they can’t discuss any topic in a rational manner. I can think of two, maybe three rational liberals here.

alexa
03-08-2019, 07:25 PM
That would prove partisan hackery in this. Of course anyone with a brain already knew that.

No one with a brain thinks that partisan hackery is involved at all.

That includes people who know the difference between sentencing guidelines and sentencing recommendations, a group you don't have membership in, apparently.

The Xl
03-08-2019, 07:27 PM
Boy, I hope 99.9% of them.
I think your hopes are way off compared to what the actual number probably is.

The Xl
03-08-2019, 07:37 PM
It does. Hands down. No other system bends over backwards to protect the rights of the accused like the US.

Those on the low end of the socioeconomic totem pole frequently get screwed over nothing, and those higher on the totem pole, especially the elites, frequently beat the rap or get a slap on the wrist for the highest of crimes. The system bends over backwards for certain people and treats others with contempt and shows a complete disregard for their rights. If that's the best in the world, then God help this world.

The Xl
03-08-2019, 07:39 PM
To be honest I'm surprised this thread has 22 pages thus far. I mean is anyone surprised that a political elite got a soft sentencing? Wake up people. They are the "nobility" of America. The only difference between the nobility seen around the world and American nobility is that in America there is no one to blame but the plebs...
This is true, and it's a disgrace. But it's also troubling that they only went after him in the first place because of Trump

Tahuyaman
03-08-2019, 07:54 PM
No one with a brain thinks that partisan hackery is involved at all.

That includes people who know the difference between sentencing guidelines and sentencing recommendations, a group you don't have membership in, apparently.

Seriously. You’re smarter than that, aren’t you?

Tahuyaman
03-08-2019, 07:58 PM
Cool. Shakespeare did the same. He was constantly innovating new words and phrases. We continue to use his fresh phrases to this day.

Except, perhaps, for you.
One can spend six to eight years in college earning several degrees and never once will that person ever be required to read anything written by Shakespeare.

Tahuyaman
03-08-2019, 08:02 PM
Manatort did not receive a lighter than expected sentence because he’s one of the political elites, because he’s not. He received this sentence because this particular judge knows that this indictment was more about getting something on Trump than it was about prosecuting Manafort.

He made that clear early on in the trial.

Trish
03-08-2019, 08:06 PM
It's sort of obvious that they went after him because of Trump. It should mortify everyone that our government does things on a politically motivated level. I hope everyone understands that this is the norm too, members of the state either harass or look the other way depending on the variables of the situation, and this happens on all levels of the government. We don't really have justice in this country.

Some days are harder than others to come on here. America has really dummied down. UGH......

https://media1.tenor.com/images/62006e2dc1047872545e8df657f624f3/tenor.gif?itemid=5020941

The Xl
03-08-2019, 08:11 PM
Some days are harder than others to come on here. America has really dummied down. UGH......

https://media1.tenor.com/images/62006e2dc1047872545e8df657f624f3/tenor.gif?itemid=5020941

You were just whining about being insulted and then you insult me? Interesting.

My issue isn't that Manafort was convicted. My issue is the fact that the only reason he was targeted in the first place is because of Trump.

Trish
03-08-2019, 08:20 PM
You were just whining about being insulted and then you insult me? Interesting.

My issue isn't that Manafort was convicted. My issue is the fact that the only reason he was targeted in the first place is because of Trump.

OMG - You're right! I'm really sorry. I should have paused before I hit enter.

Beevee
03-08-2019, 08:29 PM
Nearly ever liberal here is so ate up with partisan stupidity they can’t discuss any topic in a rational manner. I can think of two, maybe three rational liberals here.

Overtaxing your mind again? It must be quite a strain.

stjames1_53
03-08-2019, 08:30 PM
This sentencing supports that. A judge identified politically motivated corruption and did the right thing in this case.

and yet the judge stated clearly that it had nothing to do with Trump......that's gotta really frost our resident Trump haters collective asses

Tahuyaman
03-08-2019, 08:48 PM
and yet the judge stated clearly that it had nothing to do with Trump......that's gotta really frost our resident Trump haters collective asses
This was the judge who admonished the prosecution during the trial that he believed this had more to do with Trump than anything else.

stjames1_53
03-08-2019, 08:49 PM
This was the judge who admonished the prosecution during the trial that he believed this had more to do with Trump than anything else.

Trusty Rusty Mueller was hoping for 25 years....................hahahahahahahahahaha ......guess not

MisterVeritis
03-08-2019, 08:50 PM
One can spend six to eight years in college earning several degrees and never once will that person ever be required to read anything written by Shakespeare.
That is a shame.

I read about a tenth of his works. I watched a few plays and watched a few movies. He was remarkable.

MisterVeritis
03-08-2019, 08:52 PM
Some days are harder than others to come on here. America has really dummied down. UGH......

LOL. Oh, the opening I refuse to take! Because I am trying to be nicer.

Beevee
03-08-2019, 08:54 PM
That is a shame.

I read about a tenth of his works. I watched a few plays and watched a few movies. He was remarkable.

Indeed. Imagine what he could do today with a twitter account.

MisterVeritis
03-08-2019, 08:55 PM
OMG - You're right! I'm really sorry. I should have paused before I hit enter.
Follow me. I will show you how to be a nicer person. :grin: