The DOJ Just Delivered A Major Blow To Obamacare.....

[MMC]

The Department of Justice on Monday sided with U.S. District Court Judge Reed O'Connor's previous ruling that the Affordable Care Act, commonly referred to as Obamacare, is unconstitutional. Judge O'Connor's ruling came in December but the DOJ is just now solidifying the decision.


According to O'Connor's December ruling, the ACA's individual mandate is unconstitutional, which makes the entire piece of legislation invalid.


"The Department of Justice has determined that the district court's judgment should be affirmed," three Justice Department lawyers wrote to the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals, which is now considering the case. "[T]he United States is not urging that any portion of the district court's judgment be reversed."


According to POLITICO (https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/25/trump-obamacare-justice-department-1236116), Justice Department spokesperson Kerri Kupec said the department "has determined that the district court’s comprehensive opinion came to the correct conclusion and will support it on appeal.”.....snip~


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2019/03/25/the-doj-just-delivered-a-major-blow-to-obamacare-n2543736



More bad news for the Democrats and leftists.....the last piece of BO the Peeps legacy will now have the DOJ siding against it as being Unconstitutional. After the 5th makes its decision, say bye bye to the BO the Peeps money grab.

[Common]

Wow thats a surprise really

[MMC]

Wow thats a surprise really

Yeah I was surprised.....hopefully the 5th will rule asap. Putting the Democrats into more depression. As then they will know that BO's legacy will be completely wiped out.

[Cannons Front]

Great News

[gamewell45]

The Department of Justice on Monday sided with U.S. District Court Judge Reed O'Connor's previous ruling that the Affordable Care Act, commonly referred to as Obamacare, is unconstitutional. Judge O'Connor's ruling came in December but the DOJ is just now solidifying the decision.


According to O'Connor's December ruling, the ACA's individual mandate is unconstitutional, which makes the entire piece of legislation invalid.


"The Department of Justice has determined that the district court's judgment should be affirmed," three Justice Department lawyers wrote to the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals, which is now considering the case. "[T]he United States is not urging that any portion of the district court's judgment be reversed."


According to POLITICO (https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/25/trump-obamacare-justice-department-1236116), Justice Department spokesperson Kerri Kupec said the department "has determined that the district court’s comprehensive opinion came to the correct conclusion and will support it on appeal.”.....snip~


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2019/03/25/the-doj-just-delivered-a-major-blow-to-obamacare-n2543736



More bad news for the Democrats and leftists.....the last piece of BO the Peeps legacy will now have the DOJ siding against it as being Unconstitutional. After the 5th makes its decision, say bye bye to the BO the Peeps money grab.

That's great news!

[Hoosier8]

The Department of Justice on Monday sided with U.S. District Court Judge Reed O'Connor's previous ruling that the Affordable Care Act, commonly referred to as Obamacare, is unconstitutional. Judge O'Connor's ruling came in December but the DOJ is just now solidifying the decision.


According to O'Connor's December ruling, the ACA's individual mandate is unconstitutional, which makes the entire piece of legislation invalid.


"The Department of Justice has determined that the district court's judgment should be affirmed," three Justice Department lawyers wrote to the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals, which is now considering the case. "[T]he United States is not urging that any portion of the district court's judgment be reversed."


According to POLITICO (https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/25/trump-obamacare-justice-department-1236116), Justice Department spokesperson Kerri Kupec said the department "has determined that the district court’s comprehensive opinion came to the correct conclusion and will support it on appeal.”.....snip~


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2019/03/25/the-doj-just-delivered-a-major-blow-to-obamacare-n2543736



More bad news for the Democrats and leftists.....the last piece of BO the Peeps legacy will now have the DOJ siding against it as being Unconstitutional. After the 5th makes its decision, say bye bye to the BO the Peeps money grab.

The reason it would invalidate the whole of ACA is because the democrats did not include a severability clause. Time will tell if you completely get rid of a new welfare program. The history says that is impossible.

[MMC]

The reason it would invalidate the whole of ACA is because the democrats did not include a severability clause. Time will tell if you completely get rid of a new welfare program. The history says that is impossible.

They should be able to get rid of it.....BO care only covers a very minority of the population. Now that the mandate is up this year. They will have even less for enrolling in next year.

[alexa]

This is excellent news.

For the Democrats.

[Common]

This is excellent news.

For the Democrats.

Sure thing, we'll give ya that, youve lost all the big ones and The biggest, NO COLLUSION and all of liberal media. Liberal Politicians and Obama, Lynch and all his appointees are proven lying skanks :)

[MMC]

Sure thing, we'll give ya that, youve lost all the big ones and The biggest, NO COLLUSION and all of liberal media. Liberal Politicians and Obama, Lynch and all his appointees are proven lying skanks :)
Its not good news for the Demos. As some were still working on how to keep BO care around.

[alexa]

Sure thing, we'll give ya that, youve lost all the big ones and The biggest, NO COLLUSION and all of liberal media. Liberal Politicians and Obama, Lynch and all his appointees are proven lying skanks :)

Of course they are, and everyone believes it.

May as well not have an election.

Trump's approval has skyrocketed to 43%.

[MMC]

LMAO.....the lefts pollsters are scared to take a poll Right now.


Give them a few days so they can pump up the Demos propaganda. :laugh:

[Sergeant Gleed]

Well, if the DOJ isn't going to contest the ruling, it can't get to the Supreme Court where lying Roberts could try to save it.

Good move.

[Sergeant Gleed]

This is excellent news.

For the Democrats.

Why was your President elected j 2016?

1: Hillary is a known criminal and traitor.
2: Americans are tired of pressing 1 for English.
3: Americans liked their doctor but couldn't keep their doctor. Or their health insurance, thanks to MessiaCare.

[Abby08]

Why was your President elected j 2016?

1: Hillary is a known criminal and traitor.
2: Americans are tired of pressing 1 for English.
3: Americans liked their doctor but couldn't keep their doctor. Or their health insurance, thanks to MessiaCare.

That's just stuff we KNOW about.... hopefully, that'll change soon.

[MisterVeritis]

The reason it would invalidate the whole of ACA is because the democrats did not include a severability clause. Time will tell if you completely get rid of a new welfare program. The history says that is impossible.
Everyone agrees. The nation can only move left. We can never return to a Constitutional Republic.

[Tahuyaman]

Great News

If it stands.

[MMC]

If it stands.

Well at least BO the Peep, and leftness knows the DOJ will stand with that.....it is Unconstitutional.

Its a start.

[Peter1469]

This is excellent news.

For the Democrats.
And people with pre-existing conditions.

[Abby08]

And people with pre-existing conditions.

I see that, differently. I don't think insurance companies should be made to accept people with pre-existing conditions.

Look at it this way. You're in an auto accident, you have no insurance, you go get insurance the next day and, expect the insurance company to pay for the accident you had, before.

Would you consider that to be fair?

It's the same for health insurers.

Why should they pay, for something you already had?

[ripmeister]

And people with pre-existing conditions.

The D's will be all over this. This could be a gift to the D's in the runup to 2020

[alexa]

The D's will be all over this. This could be a gift to the D's in the runup to 2020

It's what they won on last year.

[gamewell45]

The D's will be all over this. This could be a gift to the D's in the runup to 2020

Agreed; I think it'll depend on how many people die from lack of medical care; some will develop medical issues that left untreated will ultimately become life threatening issues; some will die and others will clog ER's. If the democrats are smart, they'll start documenting people in this situation and play it big in the upcoming elections. Could be a maker or breaker in the 2020 elections.

[Sergeant Gleed]

I see that, differently. I don't think insurance companies should be made to accept people with pre-existing conditions.

Look at it this way. You're in an auto accident, you have no insurance, you go get insurance the next day and, expect the insurance company to pay for the accident you had, before.

Would you consider that to be fair?

It's the same for health insurers.

Why should they pay, for something you already had?

….if they were in an auto accident, the vehicle insurance will cover the medical...to a fairly large limit.

Your better example is the that of the 29 year old who's perfectly healthy and doesn't need insurance. Then he passes out, wakes up in the ER and is diagnosed with a brain tumor, one which is operable, it will only cost a half million dollars.

So then, with the ridiculous pre-existing condition nonsense, he can go get "insurance" and the insurer, having collected no premiums at all, is REQUIRED to accept this jerk and his bills.

No.

If the person was too stupid to buy, at a minimum, some kind of catastrophic coverage, he should die if he can't afford to pay for his own care.

[Sergeant Gleed]

Agreed; I think it'll depend on how many people die from lack of medical care; some will develop medical issues that left untreated will ultimately become life threatening issues; some will die and others will clog ER's. If the democrats are smart, they'll start documenting people in this situation and play it big in the upcoming elections. Could be a maker or breaker in the 2020 elections.
Rodents aren't smart, and why should they document anything when they can just stuff the ballot boxes?

[Sergeant Gleed]

It's what they won on last year.

Fraud?

[Luther]

I'm confused. I thought the SC has already ruled on this?

[Luther]

Fraud?

And there's no chance that it's simply our citizenry?

[Captdon]

This is excellent news.

For the Democrats.

Then why are they crying?

[Captdon]

Of course they are, and everyone believes it.

May as well not have an election.

Trump's approval has skyrocketed to 43%.

The same approval rating Reagan had at this point in his first term. Then the Democrats lost 49 states. Yea. it's a real concern.

Trumps approval rating has gone up 2.5 points sine the Mueller letter came out. I don't believe in polls but since you do...

[Captdon]

The rates should be regulated by the states.

[Mini Me]

The D's will be all over this. This could be a gift to the D's in the runup to 2020
Yup! And the Dems will keep a 'death watch' list of all the folks who died because of this!
Sarah Palins's 'Death Panels' will become a real thing! Ugh

[MisterVeritis]

The rates should be regulated by the states.
Prices should be "regulated" by the market.

We need a wall of separation between the government and health care and health insurance.

[MisterVeritis]

Yup! And the Dems will keep a 'death watch' list of all the folks who died because of this!
Sarah Palins's 'Death Panels' will become a real thing! Ugh

While ObamaCare damaged the nation did anyone die?

[MMC]

Demos are back to woe is me about BO care. Doom.....were all doomed if BO care is ended. Despite it only covering just a lil over 10 mil.


They are also looking to try and strengthen some of the Peeps special Package.

[ripmeister]

Demos are back to woe is me about BO care. Doom.....were all doomed if BO care is ended. Despite it only covering just a lil over 10 mil.


They are also looking to try and strengthen some of the Peeps special Package.

The other side to this is the administration doesn't seem to have a replacement plan. If you are going to blow up the existing paradigm don't you think you should at least have a plan for the aftermath?

[alexa]

Fraud?
Idiocy

Trump's to be specific.

[alexa]

The other side to this is the administration doesn't seem to have a replacement plan. If you are going to blow up the existing paradigm don't you think you should at least have a plan for the aftermath?
Certainly anyone of average intelligence would think so.

So...

[Cthulhu]

Everyone agrees. The nation can only move left. We can never return to a Constitutional Republic.We can dream.

But then reality steps in...

Sent from my evil cell phone.

[MisterVeritis]

The other side to this is the administration doesn't seem to have a replacement plan. If you are going to blow up the existing paradigm don't you think you should at least have a plan for the aftermath?
The very best plan would be a federal hands-off policy.

We must erect a wall of separation between the market and the government.

[MisterVeritis]

Certainly anyone of average intelligence would think so.

So...
We know the leftists of average intelligence agree. The best option is to end the government's involvement.

[Cthulhu]

The other side to this is the administration doesn't seem to have a replacement plan. If you are going to blow up the existing paradigm don't you think you should at least have a plan for the aftermath?Some band aids have to be ripped off quickly.

Sent from my evil cell phone.

[MMC]

The other side to this is the administration doesn't seem to have a replacement plan. If you are going to blow up the existing paradigm don't you think you should at least have a plan for the aftermath?

Trump told the Repubs to come up with a plan that can replace BO care. Its on them.....not Trump. Trump don't want to be like the Peep and set up some Unconstitutional shit.

[MisterVeritis]

Trump told the Repubs to come up with a plan that can replace BO care. Its on them.....not Trump. Trump don't want to be like the Peep and set up some Unconstitutional shit.
The free market, unhindered by the federal government, should replace Obama's tyranny.

[DGUtley]

Rodents aren't smart, and why should they document anything when they can just stuff the ballot boxes?

Sergeant Gleed, please refrain from trolling and trying to derail threads. Continued conduct will result in escalation of moderation.

[Abby08]

….if they were in an auto accident, the vehicle insurance will cover the medical...to a fairly large limit.

Your better example is the that of the 29 year old who's perfectly healthy and doesn't need insurance. Then he passes out, wakes up in the ER and is diagnosed with a brain tumor, one which is operable, it will only cost a half million dollars.

So then, with the ridiculous pre-existing condition nonsense, he can go get "insurance" and the insurer, having collected no premiums at all, is REQUIRED to accept this jerk and his bills.

No.

If the person was too stupid to buy, at a minimum, some kind of catastrophic coverage, he should die if he can't afford to pay for his own care.

... except I said, you have no auto insurance.....

[BenjaminO]

The free market, unhindered by the federal government, should replace Obama's tyranny.
That's not what Trump is proposing. Repeal...and REPLACE.
Remember?

[MMC]

Trumpcare vs Obamacare: How Does Trumpcare (BCRA) Compare? (https://trumpcare.com/trumpcare-vs-obamacare/)https://trumpcare.com/trumpcare-vs-obamacare
Comparing Trump’s Health Care Proposal with the existing Affordable Care Act law means a fair assessment of compromises being made and whether US citizens are comfortable with them. Below is a quick pro and con in areas of Obamacare cost and coverage.


BCRA would allow people to use money in their HSA to pay for their premiums. The benefit of an HSA is that the money is not taxed, meaning that if you take a portion of your paycheck and put it in an HSA, you will not have to pay Social Security, Medicare, Federal or State taxes on that money.


https://trumpcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Trumpcare-BCRA-VS-Obamacare.jpg

[Tahuyaman]

The ACA didn’t solve anything. It was a sham.

[Tahuyaman]

The rates should be regulated by the states.

We need free market solutions, not government solutions, state or otherwise.

[ripmeister]

The very best plan would be a federal hands-off policy.

We must erect a wall of separation between the market and the government.

Disagree. Unfettered markets don't work.

[ripmeister]

Trump told the Repubs to come up with a plan that can replace BO care. Its on them.....not Trump. Trump don't want to be like the Peep and set up some Unconstitutional $#@!.

Ok. There is no plan nonetheless.

[ripmeister]

The ACA didn’t solve anything. It was a sham.
Yes, if you don't consider the insuring of millions of Americans who had no insurance before.

[Tahuyaman]

Yes, if you don't consider the insuring of millions of Americans who had no insurance before.
There are still tens of millions who have no health care insurance. The ACA accomplished nothing. It was a scam. A complete and total scam and you fell for it.

[MisterVeritis]

The free market, unhindered by the federal government, should replace Obama's tyranny.

That's not what Trump is proposing. Repeal...and REPLACE.
Remember?
I did not give President Trump credit for it. I wish he would support it.

[MisterVeritis]

Disagree. Unfettered markets don't work.
Markets work every time they are tried.

[Tahuyaman]

Trump doesn’t believe in a free market solution. He wants another government run solution.

[ripmeister]

There are still tens of millions who have no health care insurance. The ACA accomplished nothing. It was a scam. A complete and total scam and you fell for it.
Well actually no. It did some good things but if you want to take the time and go back and look at my history on this you'll find that I was actually opposed to the ACA as I saw it as too much of a giveaway to the insurance companies.

[ripmeister]

Markets work every time they are tried.
I said unfettered markets. Mr. V are you slipping?

[MisterVeritis]

I said unfettered markets. Mr. V are you slipping?
Markets are markets. They work every time they are tried.

[Bo-4]

TRUMP'S DOJ siding with ONE district court ruling? LoL!!

I way go ahead maroon/bold guy.. strip health care from 21 million Americans in advance of the election (by in large in Trump states).

SURE WINNER!! :rolleyes:

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/435966-surprise-obamacare-move-puts-gop-in-bind

[MisterVeritis]

TRUMP'S DOJ siding with ONE district court ruling? LoL!!

I way go ahead maroon/bold guy.. strip health care from 21 million Americans in advance of the election (by in large in Trump states).

SURE WINNER!! :rolleyes:

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/435966-surprise-obamacare-move-puts-gop-in-bind
Obama's tyranny was unconstitutional. It is time to completely end it.

[Bo-4]

Obama's tyranny was unconstitutional. It is time to completely end it.
Yes, and hang, shoot or jail everyone responsible!

Again - Move to Russia, Turkey, NoKo or Philippines ;-)

[MisterVeritis]

Obama's tyranny was unconstitutional. It is time to completely end it.

Yes, and hang, shoot or jail everyone responsible!
Again - Move to Russia, Turkey, NoKo or Philippines ;-)
It is sufficient to declare the horrible law unconstitutional and end it. We should pay attention to every Democrat who voted for this monstrosity and end their political careers.

[Tahuyaman]

Well actually no. It did some good things but if you want to take the time and go back and look at my history on this you'll find that I was actually opposed to the ACA as I saw it as too much of a giveaway to the insurance companies.
It accomplished nothing. It was a scam.

[Don29palms]

TRUMP'S DOJ siding with ONE district court ruling? LoL!!

I way go ahead maroon/bold guy.. strip health care from 21 million Americans in advance of the election (by in large in Trump states).

SURE WINNER!! :rolleyes:

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/435966-surprise-obamacare-move-puts-gop-in-bind

Nobody is stripping healthcare from anyone. Nobody is denying healthcare to anybody.

[Tahuyaman]

Yes, if you don't consider the insuring of millions of Americans who had no insurance before.
We have more uninsured now.

[Tahuyaman]

Nobody is stripping healthcare from anyone. Nobody is denying healthcare to anybody.

If you want health care, you need to pay for it.

[Luther]

The same approval rating Reagan had at this point in his first term. Then the Democrats lost 49 states. Yea. it's a real concern.
The same approval rating Reagan had at this point in his first term. Then the Democrats lost 49 states.
Trumps approval rating has gone up 2.5 points sine the Mueller letter came out. I don't believe in polls but since you do...

The same approval rating Reagan had at this point in his first term. Then the Democrats lost 49 states.


Different time

The white vote was what like 80%?

Guess what it probably is going to be in 2020? 67%

[Don29palms]

If you want health care, you need to pay for it.

Agreed. As with any other "Care" service. Homecare, autocare, lawncare and petcare are all services along with healthcare. YOU get a service then YOU need to pay for it

[Abby08]

If you want health care, you need to pay for it.

Yes! Because, I'm not responsible for you, or, your children.

[Tahuyaman]

Yes! Because, I'm not responsible for you, or, your children.
There are many things I want, but providing for my needs is the higher priority.

[Peter1469]

I see that, differently. I don't think insurance companies should be made to accept people with pre-existing conditions.

Look at it this way. You're in an auto accident, you have no insurance, you go get insurance the next day and, expect the insurance company to pay for the accident you had, before.

Would you consider that to be fair?

It's the same for health insurers.

Why should they pay, for something you already had?
Agreed.

However people with pre-existing conditions vote.

[alexa]

Agreed.

However people with pre-existing conditions vote.

As do their families.

[Don29palms]

They are not trying to get rid of pre existing coverage.

[alexa]

They are not trying to get rid of pre existing coverage.

Say whut?

There is no pre-existing coverage absent Obamacare.

[Don29palms]

Say whut?

There is no pre-existing coverage absent Obamacare.

And?

[testsubjectalpha]

I think the real question is...how many people who do nothing are rewarded for doing nothing. A 23 year old pitching they are helpless is not a good argument. But there are many who have given according to their ability, who should be praised and cherished, because they have morals. I would hope we as a nation have the capacity to discern between what is fake and what is real.




The Department of Justice on Monday sided with U.S. District Court Judge Reed O'Connor's previous ruling that the Affordable Care Act, commonly referred to as Obamacare, is unconstitutional. Judge O'Connor's ruling came in December but the DOJ is just now solidifying the decision.


According to O'Connor's December ruling, the ACA's individual mandate is unconstitutional, which makes the entire piece of legislation invalid.


"The Department of Justice has determined that the district court's judgment should be affirmed," three Justice Department lawyers wrote to the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals, which is now considering the case. "[T]he United States is not urging that any portion of the district court's judgment be reversed."


According to POLITICO (https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/25/trump-obamacare-justice-department-1236116), Justice Department spokesperson Kerri Kupec said the department "has determined that the district court’s comprehensive opinion came to the correct conclusion and will support it on appeal.”.....snip~


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2019/03/25/the-doj-just-delivered-a-major-blow-to-obamacare-n2543736



More bad news for the Democrats and leftists.....the last piece of BO the Peeps legacy will now have the DOJ siding against it as being Unconstitutional. After the 5th makes its decision, say bye bye to the BO the Peeps money grab.

[Kalkin]

This is excellent news.
For the Democrats.
It's excellent news for all Americans. It's only bad news for those who want the government more involved in people's personal healthcare decisions. Those people, regardless of political party, should be devastated that their first step towards UHC was an unmitigated disaster.

[Kalkin]

I'm confused. I thought the SC has already ruled on this?
The SCOTUS ruled that the mandate, which obama vehemently denied was a tax, was indeed a tax, and therefore legal. Of course, they didn't touch the fact that all new tax legislation must originate in the HOR, not the Senate, as was the case with the PPACA.

[Kalkin]

The other side to this is the administration doesn't seem to have a replacement plan.
Nor should they, per the 10th Amendment.

[Kalkin]

Trump doesn’t believe in a free market solution. He wants another government run solution.
One of his biggest flaws and the reason I refer to him as a moderate.

[Peter1469]

Politically this was a bad idea. Trump was set up for an easy 2020 win after Mueller Madness. Now this rallies the other side. And the GoP is not going to have a plan to replace O'care.

The election is now back in play.

[Luther]

Again, I thought that the SC had already ruled on Obamcare?

[Peter1469]

Again, I thought that the SC had already ruled on Obamcare?
They heard a case stating that the individual mandate was unconstitutional. This case is about the entire law.

[MMC]

Ok. There is no plan nonetheless.

There isn't? What do you call the Senate Bill?

https://trumpcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Trumpcare-BCRA-VS-Obamacare.jpg

[MMC]

TRUMP'S DOJ siding with ONE district court ruling? LoL!!

I way go ahead maroon/bold guy.. strip health care from 21 million Americans in advance of the election (by in large in Trump states).

SURE WINNER!! :rolleyes:

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/435966-surprise-obamacare-move-puts-gop-in-bind

21 million huh?


:rollseyes:


Why Is Obamacare Enrollment Down? - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/06/health/obamacare-enrollment-aca.html)https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/06/health/obamacare-enrollment-aca.html
Dec 06, 2018 · Still, several experts believe that the slow start in enrollment this year is likely to mean a smaller Obamacare market for 2019.



Nearly 11.8 million signed up for Obamacare for 2018, but ... (https://money.cnn.com/2018/04/03/news/economy/obamacare-enrollment-2018/index.html)https://money.cnn.com/2018/04/03/news/economy/obamacare-enrollment-2018/index.html
Apr 03, 2018 · Obamacare's open enrollment period was in the spotlight this past fall with both supporters and detractors poised to use the numbers to support their arguments. ... more affordable for many people …



What is the population of the US again? Still haven't figured out how BO care only affected a small minority of the Population eh Bo?

[alexa]

And?

So to say they're not trying to get rid of pre-existing coverage is stupid and/or dishonest.

[alexa]

Politically this was a bad idea. Trump was set up for an easy 2020 win after Mueller Madness. Now this rallies the other side. And the GoP is not going to have a plan to replace O'care.

The election is now back in play.
It was never out of play.

[Luther]

21 million huh?


:rollseyes:


Why Is Obamacare Enrollment Down? - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/06/health/obamacare-enrollment-aca.html)

https://www.nytimes.com (http://www.nytimes.com)/2018/12/06/health/obamacare-enrollment-aca.html
Dec 06, 2018 · Still, several experts believe that the slow start in enrollment this year is likely to mean a smaller Obamacare market for 2019.



Nearly 11.8 million signed up for Obamacare for 2018, but ... (https://money.cnn.com/2018/04/03/news/economy/obamacare-enrollment-2018/index.html)

https://money.cnn.com/2018/04/03/news/economy/obamacare-enrollment-2018/index.html
Apr 03, 2018 · Obamacare's open enrollment period was in the spotlight this past fall with both supporters and detractors poised to use the numbers to support their arguments. ... more affordable for many people …



What is the population of the US again? Still haven't figured out how BO care only affected a small minority of the Population eh Bo?

So has Obamacare imploded yet?

[alexa]

So has Obamacare imploded yet?

Any day now.

[Peter1469]

It was never out of play.

I was just borrowing the term used by disappointed Mueller Madness victims. The "media" was ecstatic that the Administration stopped defending the ACA in the Texas federal court case. It was their headline (back in play).

[MMC]

So has Obamacare imploded yet?


Do you consider a costly failure as imploding?

By now everyone knows that Obamacare is officially the public policy flop of this generation. With the latest news of premium increases of 22 percent, insurance companies dropping out, dwindling competition, and rising costs to taxpayers, this is truly the Hindenburg of health plans.


Well, it hasn’t bent the cost curve down, it has been a major driver of higher budget costs for health care (as the Congressional Budget Office acknowledged last month), it hasn’t given consumers more choices, and it certainly has not saved the average family $2,500 a year.


In 2017 about one in five Obamacare enrollees will have only one insurance plan to choose from. One third of counties have only one insurer. That’s a lot of choice and competition. It’s like what Henry Ford said about the ModelT, you can have it in any color as long as it’s black. This contraction of the market is going to get worse in a hurry, which is why Hillary Clinton wants a “public option,” which will soon be your only option.


Mike Tanner, Cato’s health care expert reports that “not only are Americans going to pay more, they’re going to get less. Deductibles have risen steadily since the ACA began. The average deductible for a family with a Silver plan now exceeds $6,400. Total out-of-pocket costs can exceed $12,000.”


Even the one goal of Obamacare that should have been easy to achieve given the massive cost of the program, is way underperforming. Instead of 24 million covered as promised, the number is half that, or 11.4 million. The vast majority of Americans who have gotten health insurance under the new law were dumped into Medicaid. This is a welfare program for people with very low incomes. Shouldn’t we define success in America when fewer, not more people are receiving welfare?



By the way, Medicaid is such a bad insurance program — with many doctors and treatment centers refusing to take Medicaid enrollees — that the health results of those in the program are barely better than for those with no insurance at all.


So I will ask the same question I asked two years ago, except the evidence is even more persuasive now: is there any sane person today who doesn’t recognize the law “as a costly and obvious failure?”.....snip~


https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/30/obamacares-implosion/

[MMC]

I was just borrowing the term used by disappointed Mueller Madness victims. The "media" was ecstatic that the Administration stopped defending the ACA in the Texas federal court case. It was their headline (back in play).


Check out Sally Pipes of the Pacific Research Center. She tears up BO care supporters and makes them look like dipshits. So much so....that BO the Peep is afraid to debate her over his Special Care Package.

[Bo-4]

Politically this was a bad idea. Trump was set up for an easy 2020 win after Mueller Madness. Now this rallies the other side. And the GoP is not going to have a plan to replace O'care.

The election is now back in play.

Of course the election was in play long before he decided to commit health care suicide. ;)

[Tahuyaman]

One of his biggest flaws and the reason I refer to him as a moderate.

I always said that he has a big government solution for all problems. A moderate is just a liberal who believes in applying liberalism in a more incremental way.

[MisterVeritis]

Politically this was a bad idea. Trump was set up for an easy 2020 win after Mueller Madness. Now this rallies the other side. And the GoP is not going to have a plan to replace O'care.

The election is now back in play.
Imagine that. President Trump is doing the harder right thing instead of the expedient wrong thing. And that sets the election in play?

[MisterVeritis]

So to say they're not trying to get rid of pre-existing coverage is stupid and/or dishonest.
It should be removed entirely from insurance. Any state whose citizens choose to provide money to pay for someone else's bad health habits is free to do so. This is not a Constitutional authority. Nor should it be.

The Federal government has no authority to interfere with health care nor with health care insurance.

[Kalkin]

Again, I thought that the SC had already ruled on Obamcare?
Again:

The SCOTUS ruled that the mandate, which obama vehemently denied was a tax, was indeed a tax, and therefore legal. Of course, they didn't touch the fact that all new tax legislation must originate in the HOR, not the Senate, as was the case with the PPACA.

[Don29palms]

So to say they're not trying to get rid of pre-existing coverage is stupid and/or dishonest.

It's neither stupid or dishonest. I'm not a liberal and I think for myself instead of parroting fake news BS.

[Abby08]

Any day now.

Maybe, it'll be the same day Trump is impeached.

[MMC]

Of course the election was in play long before he decided to commit health care suicide. ;)

Uhm, you do know that the Demos don't get an award for participation, Right? :laugh:

[Tahuyaman]

Imagine that. President Trump is doing the harder right thing instead of the expedient wrong thing. And that sets the election in play?
No he’s not. He’s just going to advocate a different government solution.

[MisterVeritis]

Imagine that. President Trump is doing the harder right thing instead of the expedient wrong thing. And that sets the election in play?

No he’s not. He’s just going to advocate a different government solution.
Yes, he is. The two things are independent. Not defending ObamaCare is independent of whatever the Congress tries.

[Tahuyaman]

Imagine that. President Trump is doing the harder right thing instead of the expedient wrong thing. And that sets the election in play?

Yes, he is. The two things are independent. Not defending ObamaCare is independent of whatever the Congress tries.
Trump is just going to advocate and support a different big government solution. If one will oppose a particular big government solution, but support a different big government solution which does the same thing, that person is a hack.

[MisterVeritis]

Yes, he is. The two things are independent. Not defending ObamaCare is independent of whatever the Congress tries.

Trump is just going to advocate and support a different big government solution. If one will oppose a particular big government solution, but support a different big government solution which does the same thing, that person is a hack.
You lack subtlety.

ObamaCare will fall. Independently the Congress will continue to meddle.

[Tahuyaman]

So. If you oppose a big government solution from a Democrat administration, but support the same thing from a Republican administration, hiw do you avoid being exposed as a hack?

[MisterVeritis]

So. If you oppose a big government solution from a Democrat administration, but support the same thing from a Republican administration, hiw do you avoid being exposed as a hack?
Who, in your opinion, is doing that?

[Tahuyaman]

Who, in your opinion, is doing that?

You.

[MMC]

The Demos are trying to make a move to strengthen BO the Peeps special care package. Must be a reason why the Demos are looking to do something for BO care, huh.


Do you think the Cult following Leftists Lames can figure out why their Demos are doing such?


Obamacare news: Democrats have a plan to strengthen the ... (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/3/26/18282103/aca-obamacare-news-house-democrats-legislation-doj)

https://www.vox.com/.../3/26/18282103/aca-obamacare-news-house-democrats-legislation-doj
Mar 26, 2019 · Nancy Pelosi and House Democrats are introducing a bill to strengthen the ACA, also known as Obamacare. Mark Wilson/Getty Images House Democrats are rolling out a plan to strengthen the Affordable …



Democrats Move to Bolster Obamacare - news.yahoo.com (https://news.yahoo.com/democrats-move-bolster-obamacare-214320946.html)

https://news.yahoo.com/democrats-move-bolster-obamacare-214320946.html
2 days ago · Democrats Move to Bolster Obamacare. ... “House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has sounded skeptical notes about single-payer and urged Democrats to focus on strengthening Obamacare, their winning message in the midterms, so this new bill doesn’t come as a surprise,” Vox’s Dylan Scott says. The incremental approach may offer political …



Whats that.....Pelosi is sounding skeptical over single payer and urging the Demos to bolster BO's special package. That is not good news for the Cult of leftness. Looks like they wont be seeing any Single Payer/Universal Healthcare anytime soon.


Let that sink in Leftists. Oh and now Howard Schultz even has come out saying Healthcare is not a Right. More for the Cult of leftness to filter down.

[MisterVeritis]

You.
I wonder if the Mexican water you drink has turned your mind to crap.

Is there anything you won't lie about?