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alexa
03-29-2019, 07:31 AM
A federal judge in Washington threw a significant roadblock into the Trump administration’s efforts to compel poor people on Medicaid to work in exchange for health benefits, rejecting a Kentucky program for a second time (https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/federal-judge-blocks-ky-medicaid-work-rule/?noteId=1c0a8d8c-d112-4aa3-a737-decef9c2556a&questionId=6313b107-4c04-4fbd-90dd-d9afdcd6e73a&utm_term=.4c371012b326)while saying that rules in effect in Arkansas “cannot stand. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/ruling-blocking-medicaid-work-rule-in-arkansas/?noteId=8135c785-5793-4815-baf3-32235f8b6c72&questionId=5e98646b-c51f-43a7-bc82-66e05907debe&utm_term=.39e88b6bf099)”


The twinned opinions Wednesday afternoon, in a pair of states that have been national leaders in the move toward Medicaid work requirements, cast doubt on the Trump administration’s approvals of efforts to re-envision the public insurance program (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/a-job-scarce-town-struggles-with-arkansass-first-in-nation-medicaid-work-rules/2019/03/26/f551c352-5012-11e9-8d28-f5149e5a2fda_story.html?utm_term=.ca253b489d00). The opinions undo the permissions that the U.S. Health and Human Services Department gave those two states, telling the agency it must reconsider the applications with an eye on the effect on poor people who depend on the coverage.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/federal-judge-blocks-medicaid-work-requirements-in-kentucky-and-arkansas/2019/03/27/34dab2c8-50a8-11e9-a3f7-78b7525a8d5f_story.html?utm_term=.5389b8b20798

More winning than Charlie Sheen.

Cannons Front
03-29-2019, 07:40 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/03/29/clearly-an-end-run-federal-judge-strikes-down-trump-administrations-health-plan-go-around-obamacare/?utm_term=.73010702cccf
More winning than Charlie Sheen.

So this is just a simple question, do you think it is wrong to expect able-bodied adults to work to get benefits? I am not referring to the Ky plan in particular, just as a general point.

Common
03-29-2019, 07:45 AM
lol the left can try all the want but they cannot hide that trumps been kicking their ass regularly. Its so bad left wing media cant hide it anymore

alexa
03-29-2019, 07:47 AM
lol the left can try all the want but they cannot hide that trumps been kicking their ass regularly. Its so bad left wing media cant hide it anymore
Try to stay on topic, old timer.

alexa
03-29-2019, 07:51 AM
So this is just a simple question, do you think it is wrong to expect able-bodied adults to work to get benefits? I am not referring to the Ky plan in particular, just as a general point.

No, but I don't think health care is a benefit.

countryboy
03-29-2019, 08:03 AM
You're right alexa, that's a lot of winning.

Almost 4 million jobs created since election.
More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in our history.
We have created more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since my election.
Manufacturing jobs growing at the fastest rate in more than THREE DECADES.
Economic growth last quarter hit 4.2 percent.
New unemployment claims recently hit a 49-year low.
Median household income has hit highest level ever recorded.
African-American unemployment has recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
Hispanic-American unemployment is at the lowest rate ever recorded.
Asian-American unemployment recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
Women’s unemployment recently reached the lowest rate in 65 years.
Youth unemployment has recently hit the lowest rate in nearly half a century.
Lowest unemployment rate ever recorded for Americans without a high school diploma.
Under my Administration, veterans’ unemployment recently reached its lowest rate in nearly 20 years.
Almost 3.9 million Americans have been lifted off food stamps since the election.
The Pledge to America’s Workers has resulted in employers committing to train more than 4 million Americans. We are committed to VOCATIONAL education.
95 percent of U.S. manufacturers are optimistic about the future—the highest ever.
Retail sales surged last month, up another 6 percent over last year.
Signed the biggest package of tax cuts and reforms in history. After tax cuts, over $300 billion poured back in to the U.S. in the first quarter alone.
As a result of our tax bill, small businesses will have the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years.
Helped win U.S. bid for the 2028 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles.
Helped win U.S.-Mexico-Canada’s united bid for 2026 World Cup.
Opened ANWR and approved Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines.
Record number of regulations eliminated.
Enacted regulatory relief for community banks and credit unions.
Obamacare individual mandate penalty GONE.
My Administration is providing more affordable healthcare options for Americans through association health plans and short-term duration plans.
Last month, the FDA approved more affordable generic drugs than ever before in history. And thanks to our efforts, many drug companies are freezing or reversing planned price increases.
We reformed the Medicare program to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugs—saving seniors hundreds of millions of dollars this year alone.
Signed Right-To-Try legislation.
Secured $6 billion in NEW funding to fight the opioid epidemic.
We have reduced high-dose opioid prescriptions by 16 percent during my first year in office.
Signed VA Choice Act and VA Accountability Act, expanded VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care.
Increased our coal exports by 60 percent; U.S. oil production recently reached all-time high.
United States is a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957.
Withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord.
Cancelled the illegal, anti-coal, so-called Clean Power Plan.
Secured record $700 billion in military funding; $716 billion next year.
NATO allies are spending $69 billion more on defense since 2016.
Process has begun to make the Space Force the 6th branch of the Armed Forces.
Confirmed more circuit court judges than any other new administration.
Confirmed Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch and nominated Judge Brett Kavanaugh.
Withdrew from the horrible, one-sided Iran Deal.
Moved U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.
Protecting Americans from terrorists with the Travel Ban, upheld by Supreme Court.
Issued Executive Order to keep open Guantanamo Bay.
Concluded a historic U.S.-Mexico Trade Deal to replace NAFTA. And negotiations with Canada are underway as we speak.
Reached a breakthrough agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports.
Imposed tariffs on foreign steel and aluminum to protect our national security.
Imposed tariffs on China in response to China’s forced technology transfer, intellectual property theft, and their chronically abusive trade practices.
Net exports are on track to increase by $59 billion this year.
Improved vetting and screening for refugees, and switched focus to overseas resettlement.
We have begun BUILDING THE WALL. Republicans want STRONG BORDERS and NO CRIME. Democrats want OPEN BORDERS which equals MASSIVE CRIME.

FindersKeepers
03-29-2019, 08:13 AM
No, but I don't think health care is a benefit.

Everyone else has to pay for it.

Chris
03-29-2019, 08:19 AM
What Trump prop[oses has been test and found to work but liberals have undone the success.

MAINE’S NEW PRO-WELFARE GOVERNOR PUTS THE STATE IN DANGER (https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/10/governor-janet-mills-maine-danger/)


When Republican Gov. Paul LePage took the reins of Maine state government in 2011, the state was a mess: One out of three people were on welfare, massive budget deficits plagued the state, and able-bodied, working-age adults were allowed to receive government assistance indefinitely.

Over the next eight years, LePage furiously fought off those that wanted to preserve and expand the welfare state, reforming the state’s welfare programs and completely changing the face of welfare in Maine.

Enrollment in the government-funded Medicaid program dropped from 354,000 to 261,000 — all while other states saw their own Medicaid enrollments double after they expanded Medicaid to able-bodied adults. When LePage implemented work requirements for able-bodied adults on food stamps, food stamp enrollment dropped from 260,000 to 170,000.

The state prospered as a result — former welfare recipients went back to work in droves, earning more income than they ever had before. LePage cut taxes, reformed pensions, and putting $1 billion in the rainy-day fund. LePage’s welfare reforms have become part of the blueprint for the Trump administration’s reforms that promote work and economic mobility for able-bodied adults.

But now, despite the incredible work of a reform-minded Administration, the victory for Maine taxpayers and the truly needy appears to be on the chopping block: The axe of welfare expansion is ready to fall.

New Democratic Maine Gov. Janet Mills is dusting off the government-dependency playbook that has been perfected in states like California. On Day One in office, Mills’ most pressing need was to expand welfare by executive order to at least 70,000 able-bodied adults....

Don29palms
03-29-2019, 08:19 AM
No, but I don't think health care is a benefit.

For once I agree with you. Healthcare is not a benefit. It's a service that needs to be paid for.

MisterVeritis
03-29-2019, 08:21 AM
No, but I don't think health care is a benefit.
It is when someone else is paying for it.

Hoosier8
03-29-2019, 08:23 AM
No, but I don't think health care is a benefit.
Nor is it a natural right. That is why programs like Obamacare are welfare programs.

Cannons Front
03-29-2019, 08:40 AM
No, but I don't think health care is a benefit.

Fine if you want to argue benefit or right, how about this question.

Do you think it is wrong for able-bodied adults to be required to work if they can not support themselves without working and want other people to support them?

Bo-4
03-29-2019, 08:45 AM
60% of working age non-disabled Medicaid recipients are already working.

https://money.cnn.com/2018/01/10/news/economy/medicaid-work-requirement/index.html

MisterVeritis
03-29-2019, 08:46 AM
60% of working age non-disabled Medicaid recipients are already working.

https://money.cnn.com/2018/01/10/news/economy/medicaid-work-requirement/index.html
The program is unconstitutional. If the citizens of your state want to fund Medicaid for your citizens have at it. Leave the rest of us out of your socialist schemes.

Chris
03-29-2019, 08:52 AM
60% of working age non-disabled Medicaid recipients are already working.

https://money.cnn.com/2018/01/10/news/economy/medicaid-work-requirement/index.html

So then it's no burden it seems.

Bo-4
03-29-2019, 08:53 AM
The program is unconstitutional. If the citizens of your state want to fund Medicaid for your citizens have at it. leave the rest of us out of your socialist schemes.
Yeah yeah we get it - everything is unconstitutional except the military and your right to bunker up with an arsenal.

MisterVeritis
03-29-2019, 09:00 AM
Yeah yeah we get it - everything is unconstitutional except the military and your right to bunker up with an arsenal.
For the complete list please refer to your copy of the Constitution. Please direct your attention to Article I Section 8. It is the complete list.

Don29palms
03-29-2019, 09:04 AM
Demonrats don't like it when facts get in the way of their feelings.

Cannons Front
03-29-2019, 09:08 AM
60% of working age non-disabled Medicaid recipients are already working.
https://money.cnn.com/2018/01/10/news/economy/medicaid-work-requirement/index.html
so 40% more need to find a job then, Right?

Bo-4
03-29-2019, 09:28 AM
so 40% more need to find a job then, Right?

Nope - But Trump can feel free to drag those people out of school, bed or a nursing home, snag their crutches and tell them to chop chop ...

If he's gonna be the mean-spirited asshole we all know him to be. :rolleyes:

https://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/dam/assets/180110121247-why-medicaid-not-working-780x439.jpg

Chris
03-29-2019, 09:37 AM
Nope - But Trump can feel free to drag those people out of school, bed or a nursing home, snag their crutches and tell them to chop chop ...

If he's gonna be the mean-spirited asshole we all know him to be. :rolleyes:

https://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/dam/assets/180110121247-why-medicaid-not-working-780x439.jpg


Your earlier post concerned "60% of working age non-disabled Medicaid recipients are already working."

Now you mix things up by including retirees and disables.

Sergeant Gleed
03-29-2019, 10:25 AM
So this is just a simple question, do you think it is wrong to expect able-bodied adults to work to get benefits? I am not referring to the Ky plan in particular, just as a general point.

The Rodents feel we should support those who are unwilling to work.

So long as they vote Rodent

MisterVeritis
03-29-2019, 10:29 AM
Nope - But Trump can feel free to drag those people out of school, bed or a nursing home, snag their crutches and tell them to chop chop ...

If he's gonna be the mean-spirited asshole we all know him to be. :rolleyes:

https://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/dam/assets/180110121247-why-medicaid-not-working-780x439.jpg
Bo, if the citizens in your state want to support those people please feel free to do so. The State can tax you as much as you like. But there is no Constitutional authority to take money from productive people to give it to unproductive people in your state.

The Tenth Amendment is in play. Your state can tax the hell out of you to pay for programs your state's citizens want. Leave the rest of us alone.

Tahuyaman
03-29-2019, 10:32 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/federal-judge-blocks-medicaid-work-requirements-in-kentucky-and-arkansas/2019/03/27/34dab2c8-50a8-11e9-a3f7-78b7525a8d5f_story.html?utm_term=.5389b8b20798

More winning than Charlie Sheen.


So this is just a simple question, do you think it is wrong to expect able-bodied adults to work to get benefits? I am not referring to the Ky plan in particular, just as a general point.

Most liberals seem to celebrate when a court ruled that able bodied people can receive a benefit without having to put any skin in the game. Why is this a reason to celebrate?

hanger4
03-29-2019, 10:44 AM
Your earlier post concerned "60% of working age non-disabled Medicaid recipients are already working."Now you mix things up by including retirees and disables.That's called moving the goalposts.

Ransom
03-29-2019, 11:00 AM
60% of working age non-disabled Medicaid recipients are already working.

https://money.cnn.com/2018/01/10/news/economy/medicaid-work-requirement/index.html

Nice avatar, Bo. Had that pic for years waiting on Bobby to save you.

This feels like election 2016 week all over again. Winning......at your expense.

Common
03-29-2019, 12:11 PM
Try to stay on topic, old timer.
I am straight up on topic, Im demonstrating that youre democrats are losing and Trump is the winner :)

jimmyz
03-29-2019, 12:53 PM
Able bodied people refusing to work should be housed in surplus Army tents in camps. Fed in soup kitchens in the camp. Offered free sterilizations. Clothed in donated used clothing. Offered job training. And told to pick-up a rake or shovel to clean their town to receive these things until they can fend on their own.

End Section 8, SNAP, Medicaid, and AFDC (aid to families with dependent children) cash payout welfare.

Admiral Ackbar
03-29-2019, 02:57 PM
25724

God Bless America and God Bless Donald Trump!

Captdon
03-29-2019, 07:05 PM
For once I agree with you. Healthcare is not a benefit. It's a service that needs to be paid for.

It doesn't need to be at all.

Captdon
03-29-2019, 07:05 PM
60% of working age non-disabled Medicaid recipients are already working.

https://money.cnn.com/2018/01/10/news/economy/medicaid-work-requirement/index.html

That means 40% aren't.

Captdon
03-29-2019, 07:06 PM
The program is unconstitutional. If the citizens of your state want to fund Medicaid for your citizens have at it. Leave the rest of us out of your socialist schemes.

My state refuse to expand it.

Captdon
03-29-2019, 07:08 PM
Yeah yeah we get it - everything is unconstitutional except the military and your right to bunker up with an arsenal.

Read the Document. It's written in plain English. Evren stupid people can get it.