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slackercruster
03-31-2019, 05:06 PM
When Did This Level Of Hatred And Division Start?

http://www.city-data.com/forum/politics-other-controversies/3030784-when-did-level-hatred-division-start.html

City-Data gave me a lifetime ban...so will discuss here.

The division grew gradually over decades and grew into the soft civil war we are in now that are hell-bent on the destruction of those that disagree with them.
It started with abortion and the Vietnam Era. Before that both parties were kind on the same wavelength. They mainly argued over economics.

Generally speaking, back then, both parties were defined thusly:

Reps = for big biz and the rich.

Dems = for the working man and the poor.

Reps idea was make rich people richer and it will 'trickle down' to the poor and middle class. And it worked...before globalism and China had its say. Back then, most of what America consumed was made in America. That was when America was great, so to speak.

Now, much of what we buy is imported. And America is left to just consume what others produce. As the rich get richer, they just increase production overseas or they invest in stocks, bonds and RE.Not much to trickle down any longer.

The reps are still stuck in Reaganomics. The reps are sadly an outdated party. Just as out of tune as could be. But, I'm not suggesting they try to 'out dem the dems,' for it could never be done. And if it was tried, it is in a direction that will just hasten the demise of the USA. For it is my opinion America is on a non-stoppable slide into the shidder. The only thing that can be done is to slow down the slide. It is not the 1950's any longer. Different times produce a different world. And our world we know it is not the same as it was in America's heyday.

I go back to the Eisenhower era. You may not believe this, but many decades ago, both parties believed baby murder was wrong, both parties were for the 2A, both parties were for strong borders, both parties were against homosexual marriage, both parties didn’t believe an illegal alien was an American citizen, both parties were against legalized dope, both parties were centered around religious beliefs, traditional American values and morals, both parties were against socialism and communism and both parties didn't believe a man with a penis was a woman...or a woman with a slit was a man.

Well, we can see what has happened over the years. The reps have stayed more or less the same…long standing conservative traditional American values. The dems on the other hand have become wildly extreme with their beliefs. Beliefs so far off the scale of left that they will destroy America as we have known it if they are implemented.

A bigot is defined as one that is intolerant of others beliefs. That is the textbook definition of the dem party. You have 2 choices when dealing with the bigoted, racist, conservaphobe dems…it is their way or it is their way. And that is the foundation for the civil war. The dems demand everything be done their way or it is war.

Here is the growing base of the dems that will / have overtake the reps.

Young People
Communists
Socialists
Homosexuals
Immigrants
Illegals
Transgender
Women
Lesbians
Dope Addicts
Gun haters
Abortion Lovers
Progressives
Welfare Lovers
Healthcare Reformers
Greenies
Atheists
Blacks
Mexicans
Asians
Muslims
Artists
Entertainers
Outcasts
Hi-Tech
Globalists

...and of course, dyed in the wool dems.
Trends predicts the dems will take near perpetual control of America as conservative views are dying off and younger progressives are replacing them. So that is how our future looks in the USA.

AZ Jim
03-31-2019, 05:12 PM
Yeah....fair and unbiased.............NOT!!!!!!!!! Fucking republican bullshitter.

Captdon
03-31-2019, 05:22 PM
The Democrats have gone off the deep end. Republicans haven't done more than slow them down a little. The Republicans don't want to cut the government out of our lives either.

Docthehun
03-31-2019, 05:22 PM
When Did This Level Of Hatred And Division Start?

I suspect it started with the first boat that hit the shores here, although one could reasonably argue it started when man first walked the earth.

Cletus
03-31-2019, 05:24 PM
I suspect it started with the first boat that hit the shores here, although one could reasonably argue it started when man first walked the earth.
The SECOND Man.

DGUtley
03-31-2019, 06:32 PM
Yeah....fair and unbiased.............NOT!!!!!!!!! Fucking republican bullshitter.
NOTICE AZ Jim THREADBANNED for insults and bad faith posting

Chris
03-31-2019, 09:34 PM
I suspect it started with the first boat that hit the shores here, although one could reasonably argue it started when man first walked the earth.

Second, Cain and Able.

Orion Rules
04-01-2019, 12:32 AM
Second, Cain and Able.

Cain and Abel. They were brothers. Then Northern slaves. They destroyed Southerners. For war taxes. It takes:

The Republican reconstructionists as the carpetbaggers who robbed the South of its dignified state in takefirsts.

Banks first, why wars thrive. First for loans, next for orders, the lobbyists, the Congress and its friends own it.

The Federal Reserve Bank an unconstitutional factor in the financial aspect of peoples' lives of an illegal fount,

Stars & Stripes 13.1 acres~

Chivalry makes civilization thrive, the state of America's imperiled by not understanding why a nation of slaves.

The destroyers' wars have cost x number of victims, over how many days, weeks, months, years x entitlements.

That is, how much would it cost just in dollar amounts to pay every single person who was injured because of it.

ripmeister
04-01-2019, 06:45 PM
Gerrymandering is the problem IMO. There are so many "safe" districts that most office holders don't feel the need to compromise or at least hear the other side. Both sides just dig their heels in and lambast the other side. In Ohio for example the state is pretty much 50/50 yet the R's control about 75% of the legislative seats. There is something wrong with that. And before anyone gets on their high horse, yes, the D's have done the same thing in the past.

donttread
04-01-2019, 07:23 PM
OMG, I'm so confused! It's either that the dems are the milk of human kindness and the repubs are all that is evel OR: The Repubs are God's Angels and the dems are satan worshipers.
One side is always right but which one is it?
Wait, could it be that both major parties are complete failures and THAT is why they have led us into debt, strife and war? Nah, that's too damned logical!

MisterVeritis
04-01-2019, 08:27 PM
When Did This Level Of Hatred And Division Start?

It started while the states were under the Articles of Confederation.

fishy104
04-01-2019, 10:46 PM
Mainly on January 21, 2017 when the devil lawlessly hacked his way into the White House and in violation of U.S. Constitutional law as a demagogue.

Cletus
04-01-2019, 10:58 PM
Mainly on January 21, 2017 when the devil lawlessly hacked his way into the White House and in violation of U.S. Constitutional law as a demagogue.
What Article of the Constitution did he violate?

Be specific.

fishy104
04-01-2019, 11:14 PM
These are the specifics and to which I will let the founders of the U.S. Constitution speak for itself:


The Electoral College Was Created to Stop Demagogues Like Trump:
The Electoral College was created for two reasons. The first purpose was to create a buffer between population and the selection of a President. The second as part of the structure of the government that gave extra power to the smaller states.The first reason that the founders created the Electoral College is hard to understand today. The founding fathers were afraid of direct election to the Presidency. They feared a tyrant could manipulate public opinion and come to power. Hamilton wrote in the Federalist Papers:It was equally desirable, that the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice. A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations. It was also peculiarly desirable to afford as little opportunity as possible to tumult and disorder. This evil was not least to be dreaded in the election of a magistrate, who was to have so important an agency in the administration of the government as the President of the United States. But the precautions which have been so happily concerted in the system under consideration, promise an effectual security against this mischief."

sources: history central .com

time .com

Cletus
04-02-2019, 01:21 AM
These are the specifics and to which I will let the founders of the U.S. Constitution speak for itself:


The Electoral College Was Created to Stop Demagogues Like Trump:
The Electoral College was created for two reasons. The first purpose was to create a buffer between population and the selection of a President. The second as part of the structure of the government that gave extra power to the smaller states.The first reason that the founders created the Electoral College is hard to understand today. The founding fathers were afraid of direct election to the Presidency. They feared a tyrant could manipulate public opinion and come to power. Hamilton wrote in the Federalist Papers:It was equally desirable, that the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice. A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations. It was also peculiarly desirable to afford as little opportunity as possible to tumult and disorder. This evil was not least to be dreaded in the election of a magistrate, who was to have so important an agency in the administration of the government as the President of the United States. But the precautions which have been so happily concerted in the system under consideration, promise an effectual security against this mischief."

sources: history central .com

time .com

Okay... you have no idea what Article of the Constitution he may have violated.

You could have just said so.

Luther
04-02-2019, 04:50 AM
OMG, I'm so confused! It's either that the dems are the milk of human kindness and the repubs are all that is evel OR: The Repubs are God's Angels and the dems are satan worshipers.
One side is always right but which one is it?
Wait, could it be that both major parties are complete failures and THAT is why they have led us into debt, strife and war? Nah, that's too damned logical!


Wait, could it be that both major parties are complete failures and THAT is why they have led us into debt, strife and war? Nah, that's too damned logical!

You're correct sir

But why are they a failure(Heart of the matter)?

Could it be that they're a reflection of our majority citizenry?

Luther
04-02-2019, 04:58 AM
It started while the states were under the Articles of Confederation.

Or at the beginning of our constitution with the rift between Hamilton and Jefferson?

Captdon
04-02-2019, 12:43 PM
Gerrymandering is the problem IMO. There are so many "safe" districts that most office holders don't feel the need to compromise or at least hear the other side. Both sides just dig their heels in and lambast the other side. In Ohio for example the state is pretty much 50/50 yet the R's control about 75% of the legislative seats. There is something wrong with that. And before anyone gets on their high horse, yes, the D's have done the same thing in the past.

The states should decide how to set up the districts within the Constitution. No one minds when a district is gerrymandered to assure a black congressman.

Captdon
04-02-2019, 12:45 PM
Mainly on January 21, 2017 when the devil lawlessly hacked his way into the White House and in violation of U.S. Constitutional law as a demagogue.

Loon.

Captdon
04-02-2019, 12:47 PM
These are the specifics and to which I will let the founders of the U.S. Constitution speak for itself:


The Electoral College Was Created to Stop Demagogues Like Trump:
The Electoral College was created for two reasons. The first purpose was to create a buffer between population and the selection of a President. The second as part of the structure of the government that gave extra power to the smaller states.The first reason that the founders created the Electoral College is hard to understand today. The founding fathers were afraid of direct election to the Presidency. They feared a tyrant could manipulate public opinion and come to power. Hamilton wrote in the Federalist Papers:It was equally desirable, that the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice. A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations. It was also peculiarly desirable to afford as little opportunity as possible to tumult and disorder. This evil was not least to be dreaded in the election of a magistrate, who was to have so important an agency in the administration of the government as the President of the United States. But the precautions which have been so happily concerted in the system under consideration, promise an effectual security against this mischief."

sources: history central .com

time .com

Trump was elected by the Electoral College. It was mentioned by every media source.

Captdon
04-02-2019, 12:48 PM
You're correct sir

But why are they a failure(Heart of the matter)?

Could it be that they're a reflection of our majority citizenry?

They do represent a majority of our voters. Otherwise, they'd be gone.

MisterVeritis
04-02-2019, 01:02 PM
Mainly on January 21, 2017 when the devil lawlessly hacked his way into the White House and in violation of U.S. Constitutional law as a demagogue.
Have any of your friends mentioned to you that you might be a kook?

MisterVeritis
04-02-2019, 01:05 PM
It started while the states were under the Articles of Confederation.

Or at the beginning of our constitution with the rift between Hamilton and Jefferson?
The question was, when did it start. The Constitution was intended to remedy many of the worst problems discovered under the Articles of Confederation. We are clever people. We can always come up with new reasons.

Orion Rules
04-02-2019, 01:10 PM
Cain and Abel. They were brothers. Then Northern slaves. They destroyed Southerners. For war taxes. It takes:

The Republican reconstructionists as the carpetbaggers who robbed the South of its dignified state in takefirsts.

Banks first, why wars thrive. First for loans, next for orders, the lobbyists, the Congress and its friends own it.


The Federal Reserve Bank an unconstitutional factor in the financial aspect of peoples' lives of an illegal fount.

To create a currency so that a society could function what each individual component is worth for an amount...

Barter & trade, as money was designed to keep most of the populace in a subservient state to their statements.


The politics of 'beware the maestro' who pretended to be someone else when not that at all just more cement...

To the end of a Republic lost without leadership, ethics, Jerusalem is the capital of Israel, that is the sacrament.

Isaiah 19: Blessed be Egypt His people, Assyria the work of His hands, Israel His inheritance of a spiritual state.


Where eagles fly there are birds of prayer and one is of Horus' chambers of the Stars and Stripes of 13.1 acres~

Chivalry makes civilization thrive, the state of America's imperiled by not understanding why a nation of slaves.

The destroyers' wars have cost x number of victims, over how many days, weeks, months, years x entitlements.

That is, how much would it cost just in dollar amounts to pay every single person who was injured because of it.

ripmeister
04-02-2019, 01:47 PM
The states should decide how to set up the districts within the Constitution. No one minds when a district is gerrymandered to assure a black congressman.
As I said, all sides are guilty of this when in power. Districting should be apolitical IMO.

Captdon
04-02-2019, 01:53 PM
As I said, all sides are guilty of this when in power. Districting should be apolitical IMO.

Why? Winning means something.

Tahuyaman
04-02-2019, 02:05 PM
... Districting should be apolitical IMO.

How can one accomplish that?

ripmeister
04-02-2019, 02:21 PM
Why? Winning means something.
Sure. Just win on a level playing field.

ripmeister
04-02-2019, 02:27 PM
How can one accomplish that?
I saw an academic paper a couple/few years ago where I believe it was some guys from the University of Akron proposed a grid like structure for Ohio. With the computer power we have now it should be a simple thing to construct a map that is geographically based with the proper number of citizens in each area. I would imagine there are some critiques of this approach but it seems to me to be far better than the crazy politically based gerrymandered map that we currently have. Some of the district lines in Ohio are crazy, obviously reflecting the pols attempt to rig the system in their favor and as I said before both sides are guilty of this.

Tahuyaman
04-02-2019, 02:37 PM
I saw an academic paper a couple/few years ago where I believe it was some guys from the University of Akron proposed a grid like structure for Ohio. With the computer power we have now it should be a simple thing to construct a map that is geographically based with the proper number of citizens in each area. I would imagine there are some critiques of this approach but it seems to me to be far better than the crazy politically based gerrymandered map that we currently have. Some of the district lines in Ohio are crazy, obviously reflecting the pols attempt to rig the system in their favor and as I said before both sides are guilty of this.

Districting is a political process.

jimmyz
04-02-2019, 03:07 PM
"When Did This Level Of Hatred And Division Start?"

When the first caveman wanted another caveman's woman, roasted antelope or his better located cave.

ripmeister
04-02-2019, 03:47 PM
Districting is a political process.
Absolutely but it shouldn't be IMO.

Tahuyaman
04-02-2019, 03:53 PM
Absolutely but it shouldn't be IMO.
Politics should be apolitical.

ripmeister
04-02-2019, 03:56 PM
Politics should be apolitical.
Districting shouldn't be political as it is today. Can't be more clear than that.

Tahuyaman
04-02-2019, 03:59 PM
Districting shouldn't be political as it is today. Can't be more clear than that.
I’m sure you’re fine with it if it benefits Democrats.

ripmeister
04-02-2019, 04:25 PM
I’m sure you’re fine with it if it benefits Democrats.
Nope. I already addressed that.

Tahuyaman
04-02-2019, 05:27 PM
Nope. I already addressed that.

Uh huh....

Captdon
04-02-2019, 05:52 PM
Absolutely but it shouldn't be IMO.

Why not? The government is political.

donttread
04-02-2019, 06:41 PM
You're correct sir

But why are they a failure(Heart of the matter)?

Could it be that they're a reflection of our majority citizenry?


Perhaps but it is a distorted reflection

ripmeister
04-02-2019, 06:42 PM
Why not? The government is political.
I've stated my reasons. You and T disagree. That's fine.

Orion Rules
04-03-2019, 12:40 PM
OMG, I'm so confused! It's either that the dems are the milk of human kindness and the repubs are all that is evel OR: The Repubs are God's Angels and the dems are satan worshipers.
One side is always right but which one is it?
Wait, could it be that both major parties are complete failures and THAT is why they have led us into debt, strife and war? Nah, that's too damned logical!

Neither political party for the economics/other of their choices has been absolutely right, as there have been a reduction of real rights vs. perceived rights. So, the issue is when things go 'wrong' because of their votes, who pays? Should, if something goes wrong that creates more - statistics, and there are several examples of such which could be garnered from, who pays, for how a dam was broken by a predicted flood, seeking damages:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxcvYmpbI2A