List the top three things you admire about Trump.

[AZ Jim]

Be specific about your reasons for your admiration.

[Cletus]

He is not afraid to say what millions of Americans already think.
He places the needs of this nation over those of other nations.
He isn't afraid to use the power of his office to push back against the tyranny of the Left.

[AZ Jim]

He is not afraid to say what millions of Americans already think.
He places the needs of this nation over those of other nations.
He isn't afraid to use the power of his office to push back against the tyranny of the Left.You realize he is the President of ALL Americans??

[Cletus]

You realize he is the President of ALL Americans??

And?

He is acting on behalf of ALL Americans. Some of you are just too blinded by hate to understand that.

[AZ Jim]

And?

He is acting on behalf of ALL Americans. Some of you are just too blinded by hate to understand that.And what of the millions who voted against him? You remember more voted against him than for him? Is this not our country?

[AZ Jim]

As I thought!

[Abby08]

And what of the millions who voted against him? You remember more voted against him than for him? Is this not our country?

That's what makes this country great, we have a choice....in the end, the better candidate won.

Try again, next time.

[Abby08]

And what of the millions who voted against him? You remember more voted against him than for him? Is this not our country?

You're free to go live somewhere else, if our President isn't to your liking....

.... just as I thought.

[AZ Jim]

That's what makes this country great, we have a choice....in the end, the better candidate won.

Try again, next time.Waste of words.

[Abby08]

And what of the millions who voted against him? You remember more voted against him than for him? Is this not our country?

Millions always vote against one of the candidates.... doesn't mean you get a do over, if the outcome isn't to your liking.

[Abby08]

Waste of words.

Waste of space.

[Abby08]

Waste of words.

That's how all of you are, you put it out there then, can't defend it.

[AZ Jim]

You're free to go live somewhere else, if our President isn't to your liking....

.... just as I thought.What armed force did you serve in to cement your devotion to America? I did my 4 years all volunteered.

[jimmyz]

And what of the millions who voted against him? You remember more voted against him than for him? Is this not our country?

Jim, we GOPers or Cons felt the same way as you do now when Obama was at the helm. What we felt and what you feel now are comparable and part of every election outcome IMO.

The trick is to not feel ostracized and marginalized. If you look at the first two years of Trumps Presidency, you have not been put upon by Trump's policies and maybe even paid less than you did in income tax and your COLA bumps have not been stopped as they were during some of Obama's reign IIRC.

[countryboy]

And what of the millions who voted against him? You remember more voted against him than for him? Is this not our country?

As Obama said, elections have consequences. Were you concerned so about those of us who voted against Obama? Of course you weren't.

[Captdon]

Be specific about your reasons for your admiration.

He's not a sissyboy.

He kept his promises as best he could.

He put good Justices on the Supreme Court.

You are going to go off and get tb'd.

[donttread]

Be specific about your reasons for your admiration.

1) He is NOT a Washington Insider
2) He is not a Donkephant/
3) He is a wild card
3)

[Captdon]

You realize he is the President of ALL Americans??

You're funny. He's President of all the people when it comes to what's best for the country.

He is not your President politically. Obama was. He's gone. Trump doesn't give a rat's ass about you when it comes to other things. You don't matter.

[Captdon]

And what of the millions who voted against him? You remember more voted against him than for him? Is this not our country?

Sure. You live here and you're a citizen.

[Captdon]

As I thought!

I doubt you did that.

[Captdon]

Waste of words.

You shouldn't have asked. You have no ability for debate.

[Common]

Tell us why you hate him so much

[Abby08]

What armed force did you serve in to cement your devotion to America? I did my 4 years all volunteered.

Unless one served, their devotion to the country hasn't been, 'cemented?'

My husband did 20 years, also voluntarily. How many remote duties did you do, where you were gone from home for 18 months at a time?

4 years, huh......?

[Abby08]

Tell us why you hate him so much

I'd like to know that, too, so far as I can tell, it's because he beat Hillary.....they sure as heck can't list anything they've lost.

[Captdon]

What armed force did you serve in to cement your devotion to America? I did my 4 years all volunteered.

I didn't have to serve to cement my love for this country. I grew up loving my country. You're an ass for saying that. Well. not just that but that's enough. Only a shit for brains says that.

[Sergeant Gleed]

He is not Hillary.

He is not a fascist, like all Rodents are.

He's defending the AMERICAN ideals, not the Rodent Corruptions.

Did I mention he is not Hillary?

He's also not Romney, Bush, McStain, Kay Sick or or whiny RINO pansy.

[Chris]

1) Conservative nominations to the Court.
2) Has lowered taxes and reduced regulations.
3) Triggers the left from election to exoneration and probably into the future.

[Sergeant Gleed]

You realize he is the President of ALL Americans??

YES he IS.

Unlike that fairy swish from Kenya, who was only pretend president for Rodents and other sorts of Democrat/liberal traitors and who hated all Americans. Not one American voted for that thing.

[Sergeant Gleed]

And what of the millions who voted against him? You remember more voted against him than for him? Is this not our country?
But those people aren't Americans.

They're socialists, or fascists, which is a kind of socialism, or communists, which is a kind of socialism, or green-things, which is a religious cult of socialist origins, or they are deranged and damaged in some other fashion that makes their motivations anti-american in some other fashion possibly even more heinous than voting Rodent.

[ripmeister]

YES he IS.

Unlike that fairy swish from Kenya, who was only pretend president for Rodents and other sorts of Democrat/liberal traitors and who hated all Americans. Not one American voted for that thing.

Now there is some hate! :grin:

[Sergeant Gleed]

What armed force did you serve in to cement your devotion to America? I did my 4 years all volunteered.

Then you betrayed your oath by voting socialist....

[Sergeant Gleed]

Tell us why you hate him so much

He won an election the other side had rigged for themselves.

[Abby08]

Now there is some hate! :grin:

It's the truth.

[Sergeant Gleed]

I didn't have to serve to cement my love for this country. I grew up loving my country. You're an ass for saying that. Well. not just that but that's enough. Only a $#@! for brains says that.

His problem is there are too many real veterans who did not betray their oath to defend the Constitution by voting Rodent.

Like me.

[The Xl]

He's a wild card that isn't owned by the usual corporate types. I appreciate that he's his own man.

[AZ Jim]

I'd like to know that, too, so far as I can tell, it's because he beat Hillary.....they sure as heck can't list anything they've lost.He lost to Clinton.....

[roadmaster]

There is a lot of things I don't like about him but three I do,

Prison reform, border security, giving tax breaks for companies to move into poor neighborhoods are a few.

[Abby08]

He won an election the other side had rigged for themselves.

That's it, in a nutshell. Hillary was supposed to win, it was her turn, they promised her.

[Sergeant Gleed]

Now there is some hate! :grin:

Yes, that muslim HATED the United States and everything they stand for.

[Abby08]

He lost to Clinton.....

Then....where is she?

[AZ Jim]

Unless one served, their devotion to the country hasn't been, 'cemented?'

My husband did 20 years, also voluntarily. How many remote duties did you do, where you were gone from home for 18 months at a time?

4 years, huh......?

[AZ Jim]

Unless one served, their devotion to the country hasn't been, 'cemented?'

My husband did 20 years, also voluntarily. How many remote duties did you do, where you were gone from home for 18 months at a time?

4 years, huh......?They'll never get over a black man being President two terms. It drives the peckerwoods crazy...

[Sergeant Gleed]

He lost to Clinton.....
Let me guess...

...the depth of your ignorance has not been plumbed by any technology known to man.

What you just said is that your loser, the Horrid C..linton, lost because she stumbled and was carried over the 100 meters in 1000 seconds...but too bad for her, the election was a horse race and the American candidate had the best horse.

Are you so totally ignorant you don't even know what the laws are regarding the process by which Americans select their oresident?

[Sergeant Gleed]

They'll never get over a black man being President two terms. It drives the peckerwoods crazy...

What kind of racist calls a whitey like Obama "black"?

[Sergeant Gleed]

Then....where is she?

By this time in the afternoon, passed out on the sofa.

[Abby08]

He lost to Clinton.....

I remember people saying the same thing about Obama....he didn't win, it was fixed, etc... people like you, responded with...."suck it up, you lost," "it's just sour grapes," etc....well, Jim...."suck it up, you lost"....."it's just sour grapes."

[Abby08]

Let me guess...

...the depth of your ignorance has not been plumbed by any technology known to man.

What you just said is that your loser, the Horrid C..linton, lost because she stumbled and was carried over the 100 meters in 1000 seconds...but too bad for her, the election was a horse race and the American candidate had the best horse.

Are you so totally ignorant you don't even know what the laws are regarding the process by which Americans select their oresident?

They understand it, that's why they want the electoral college to go, bye-bye.

[Abby08]

They'll never get over a black man being President two terms. It drives the peckerwoods crazy...

He didn't win....the elections were fixed.

[AZ Jim]

He didn't win....the elections were fixed.But not "fixed" when that fat ass (tRUMP) "won" huh??

[HawkTheSlayer]

The Presidents greatest accomplishment has been in the field of psychiatry.
He has single-handedly exposed millions of deranged leftist, infected with TDS.

[jimmyz]

I'll parrot other member's positive Trump accomplishment to save me time.

If I had to pick one it is that Trump has shaken the DC tree down to its roots. Both parties fear him, and I think that's good. I love a great poker game. And we are alive to witness the greatest political poker game in history.

[Abby08]

But not "fixed" when that fat ass (tRUMP) "won" huh??

Nobody thought it was high time an overweight blowhard, became President....a black man, on the other hand.....

Tell me, if no one wanted Trump, why would the election be rigged in his favor?

[Abby08]

No.1....he isn't Hillary.
No.2.... he isn't a wimp, like Obama.
No.3..... he doesn't go around the world, apologizing for the U.S.

[AZ Jim]

No.1....he isn't Hillary.
No.2.... he isn't a wimp, like Obama.
No.3..... he doesn't go around the world, apologizing for the U.S.All three bogus!!!

[Abby08]

All three bogus!!!

You mean....he IS HILLARY!

[Mini Me]

I'll parrot other member's positive Trump accomplishment to save me time.

If I had to pick one it is that Trump has shaken the DC tree down to its roots. Both parties fear him, and I think that's good. I love a great poker game. And we are alive to witness the greatest political poker game in history.

What is so good about someone gambling with our futures? That's NOT GOOD!

[countryboy]

What is so good about someone gambling with our futures? That's NOT GOOD!

What do you mean! How is he gambling with our futures?!!!

[Don29palms]

He lost to Clinton.....

So Trump who is POTUS lost an election to Hitlary who is not POTUS? When did that happen in the real world?

[Don29palms]

They'll never get over a black man being President two terms. It drives the peckerwoods crazy...

When did we have a black man as POTUS? Obummer wasn't black.

[Peter1469]

He lost to Clinton.....
He beat Hillary- close to a landslide.

[countryboy]

He lost to Clinton.....
Then why is he in the Oval Office, and she is not?

[Tahuyaman]

And what of the millions who voted against him? You remember more voted against him than for him? Is this not our country?
He won the election. At some point you're going to need to accept that. I know, when pigs fly.

[countryboy]

He won the election. At some point you're going to need to accept that. I know, when pigs fly.

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/images/smilies/2uql.gif

[Tahuyaman]

When Jim finally passes on, he will cash out being a bitter old man with Trump on his mind. This man has nothing positive in his life.

Dont be like him. You only make others miserable.

[Tahuyaman]

What armed force did you serve in to cement your devotion to America? I did my 4 years all volunteered.
No one was sorry to see you go when your term of service was over.

[countryboy]

When Jim finally passes on, he will cash out being a bitter old man with Trump on his mind. This man has nothing positive in his life.

Dont be like him. You only make others miserable.

You're not exactly a ray of sunshine yerownself.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/37d9fd3ecda4aaf9e45267f828a7d33e/tenor.gif?itemid=4550317

[EvilCat Breath]

He is not afraid to say what millions of Americans already think.
He places the needs of this nation over those of other nations.
He isn't afraid to use the power of his office to push back against the tyranny of the Left.

That's what I would have said too. He does what I voted for him to do.

[nathanbforrest45]

What armed force did you serve in to cement your devotion to America? I did my 4 years all volunteered.
What war did you fight in? Its easy to volunteer when the only danger you might find yourself in is when you spill the Master Chief's coffee

[Sergeant Gleed]

They understand it, that's why they want the electoral college to go, bye-bye.

If they understood it, they couldn't be thst stupid.

Especially not even the moron Rodents in the 46 ststes that have less than 50% of the nation's people.

Only total morons, those single digit IQ drones want to abolish the Electoral College.

Why would anyone capaign outside of California, New York, Floriduh and Texas if all they needed was a plurality of the votes?

What would be the point in holding party primaries in the other 46 states when their votes did not matter?

You must not be aware that the sheep stupid enough to vote Rodent...you might know one...are the sheep the wolves thst are their masters and owners will be voting to eat as soon as those stupid Hillary voters destroy the Republic and create a democracy...

...so they never forced you to make up your failed grade I'm high school civics?

[Tahuyaman]

You're not exactly a ray of sunshine yerownself.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/37d9fd3ecda4aaf9e45267f828a7d33e/tenor.gif?itemid=4550317
Look who’s talking.

[nathanbforrest45]

BTW, it does not matter if 1 or 1 million or 100 million more voted for Hillary than for Trump. The President of the United States is not elected by popular vote but by the Electoral College.

You realize it is the states and not the people who elect the president. If we did not have the Electoral College we would not need the Senate and without the Senate we wouldn't need the several states. If we did not have the states or the electoral college we would not have a republic and if we had a straight democracy we would have total chaos and probably would not have a country.

[Tahuyaman]

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/images/smilies/2uql.gif
You. Don’t ever be on my side.

[Sergeant Gleed]

He didn't win....the elections were fixed.

Yes, the election was fixed, but the fixers failed and Hillary still isn't Presidentess.

Ain't it great?

[MisterVeritis]

They'll never get over a black man being President two terms. It drives the peckerwoods crazy...
Do you refer to the Halfrican-American?

[Sergeant Gleed]

What is so good about someone gambling with our futures? That's NOT GOOD!

You mean, of course, as opposed to the traitors the Rodents always run whose goal is to give every shiny new slave collars.

[Abby08]

If they understood it, they couldn't be thst stupid.

Especially not even the moron Rodents in the 46 ststes that have less than 50% of the nation's people.

Only total morons, those single digit IQ drones want to abolish the Electoral College.

Why would anyone capaign outside of California, New York, Floriduh and Texas if all they needed was a plurality of the votes?

What would be the point in holding party primaries in the other 46 states when their votes did not matter?

You must not be aware that the sheep stupid enough to vote Rodent...you might know one...are the sheep the wolves thst are their masters and owners will be voting to eat as soon as those stupid Hillary voters destroy the Republic and create a democracy...

...so they never forced you to make up your failed grade I'm high school civics?

What tha.....? I'm repeating what the Dems/liberals have already SAID they wanted.... conveniently, only after Trump won....

I think, there's a lot YOU, don't understand... sheesh!

[Sergeant Gleed]

What tha.....? I'm repeating what the Dems/liberals have already SAID they wanted.... conveniently, only after Trump won....

I think, there's a lot YOU, don't understand... sheesh!

I'm kinda weak on quantum mechanics, I must confess.

And I truly refuse to try to understand how Rodent can say, and belive, that boys can menstruate and thus tampons must be available in all boys restrooms.

But that's because I am perfect and perfect people are immune to whatever disease it is the Rodents are spreafing.

[Abby08]

I'm kinda weak on quantum mechanics, I must confess.

And I truly refuse to try to understand how Rodent can say, and belive, that boys can menstruate and thus tampons must be available in all boys restrooms.

But that's because I am perfect and perfect people are immune to whatever disease it is the Rodents are spreafing.

If you're human, you're not perfect.....but, I'm with you on the rodent issues.

[Cletus]

And what of the millions who voted against him? You remember more voted against him than for him? Is this not our country?
What about them? You guys voted against what was best for America and fortunately, you lost.

Since then, you have been acting like a bunch of spoiled little brats, throwing a temper tantrum because Mommy wouldn't buy you the toy you wanted. You need grow up and shut up and let the adults run the country.

[Cletus]

They'll never get over a black man being President two terms. It drives the peckerwoods crazy...
It is pretty obvious the majority of the people who cared about the color of Obama's skin were the idiots who voted for him. They didn't care about the fact that he had no real leadership experience or that he had a dismal voting record in the Senate. All they cared about was that he was Black.

I have discussed this many times with people who voted for him and one of the things I have heard over and over and over again is that they voted for him because they wanted to be able to tell their grandchildren that they helped elect the first Black President. Most of them couldn't even discuss his platform. They didn't know anything about it and didn't care anything about it.

No, it wasn't Conservatives who were obsessed with Obama's race. It was the Liberal Left.

[fishy104]

Here are the top three things I like about this Russian hacked in, electoral college corrupted in his favor, GOPer rigged in and democratic voter purged in demagogue in violation of U.S. Constitutional law: This comes to despite 45 and his acting cabinet of tyrants' ongoing attempt to destroy civilization, the well being of society and the soul of humanity, 45 has destroyed his own legacy and worldly image three times over as a traitor, felon and criminal against humanity.

[Tahuyaman]

Here are the top three things I like about this Russian hacked in, electoral college corrupted in his favor, GOPer rigged in and democratic voter purged in demagogue in violation of U.S. Constitutional law: This comes to despite 45 and his acting cabinet of tyrants' ongoing attempt to destroy civilization, the well being of society and the soul of humanity, 45 has destroyed his own legacy and worldly image three times over as a traitor, felon and criminal against humanity.
Seriously? The electoral college was hacked?

This guy makes AZ Jim look wise.

[Abby08]

Seriously? The electoral college was hacked?

This guy makes AZ Jim look wise.

They have to say things like that, no matter how stupid, because, there has to be a reason Trump won, other than, Hillary was so bad, people actually preferred Trump.

[Tahuyaman]

They have to say things like that, no matter how stupid, because, there has to be a reason Trump won, other than, Hillary was so bad, people actually preferred Trump.
But they don't need to be just plain stupid about it, do they? The electoral college was corrupted? Hacked by the Russians? Really?

I know fishy is a complete hack, but that's about as bad as one can get.

[Abby08]

But they don't need to be just plain stupid about it, do they? The electoral college was corrupted? Hacked by the Russians? Really?

I know fishy is a complete hack, but that's about as bad as one can get.

They're flailing, now, embarrassing themselves.

They're all going to need straight jackets, when Trump gets re-elected.

[Peter1469]

Here are the top three things I like about this Russian hacked in, electoral college corrupted in his favor, GOPer rigged in and democratic voter purged in demagogue in violation of U.S. Constitutional law: This comes to despite 45 and his acting cabinet of tyrants' ongoing attempt to destroy civilization, the well being of society and the soul of humanity, 45 has destroyed his own legacy and worldly image three times over as a traitor, felon and criminal against humanity.
TDS rots brains.

[Peter1469]

Clinton


232

Trump


306


You can also link directly via this URL: https://www.270towin.com/maps/2016-actual-electoral-map

[alexa]

And?

He is acting on behalf of ALL Americans. Some of you are just too blinded by hate to understand that.

:rofl:

Good one

[alexa]

His commitment to the sanctity of marriage

His strong work ethic (he's only played 165 times during his time in office)

https://presidentialgolftracker.com/

Last but not least, his awesome hair

[Common]

He lost to Clinton.....

Sure he did and the Democrats were nice enough to allow him to be President. Your partisanship blinds you Jim, there is an electoral college and there has been for DECADES for a reason. You win by Electoral VOTES, Trump beat her fair and square quite handily.

Take away illegal immigrant votes and dead voters and re voters and the popular vote would have changed considerably

[Cannons Front]

They'll never get over a black man being President two terms. It drives the peckerwoods crazy...
So how did you make that something about POTUS Obama? Poor deflection

[Cannons Front]

What armed force did you serve in to cement your devotion to America? I did my 4 years all volunteered.

Unless one served, their devotion to the country hasn't been, 'cemented?'
My husband did 20 years, also voluntarily. How many remote duties did you do, where you were gone from home for 18 months at a time? 4 years, huh......?

What war did you fight in? Its easy to volunteer when the only danger you might find yourself in is when you spill the Master Chief's coffee


I didn't have to serve to cement my love for this country. I grew up loving my country. You're an ass for saying that. Well. not just that but that's enough. Only a $#@! for brains says that.

@AZ Jim (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1901), you are completely off base on this, first and foremost you do not have to serve in the Military to cement your devotion to this country.
Many have served, many have not, service does not make you a better person or a better American. I thank you for your service, the fact that you served does place you in the minority, the majority of American have not. I served for 34 years that does not make me 8 times more American than you nor does it cement me 8 times better as an American. @Abby08 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=2277), I will thank you for your service as well, even though you did not enlist if you were married to a service member then you have sacrificed ways that many do not understand.

I Served during peace and I served during war, one does not make me a Better American than the other. I have great pride for my country and am honored to have served, it truly was a calling.

One of the greatest things about this country is that everyone has the chance to make something of themselves, you can be born poor and die rich, or just as likely born rich and die poor. YOU are what makes or breaks you, if you apply yourself you can reach you goals, don't expect anyone to give them too you.
@Captdon (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=2480), you could not be any more correct if you tried service is not required for the love of ones country. Some serve, some do not, to fight for the ideals that this country was founded on does not require Military service. We went to a professional volunteer military, that makes us stronger, that makes our Soldiers better, It does not make them better Americans, it makes them better Warriors.
@AZ Jim (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1901) From postings you make I do not believe we would ever agree on much politically, but that is OK, our country is designed that way and we have prospered. I do not want you or people who think like you silenced or shunned, I will listen. No side is 100% right ever, debate is what makes us all better, we can all learn by listening more.

[Ransom]

Be specific about your reasons for your admiration.

1). He proved your predictions so wrong.

2). He drives you and people like ewe f'n crazy

3). He's crushed your political soul....and that of the wicked witch you voted for.

Trump 2020

[Abby08]

Sure he did and the Democrats were nice enough to allow him to be President. Your partisanship blinds you Jim, there is an electoral college and there has been for DECADES for a reason. You win by Electoral VOTES, Trump beat her fair and square quite handily.

Take away illegal immigrant votes and dead voters and re voters and the popular vote would have changed considerably

Hillary couldn't even win by CHEATING, that's how pathetic people thought she was.

[Ransom]

His commitment to the sanctity of marriage

His strong work ethic (he's only played 165 times during his time in office)

https://presidentialgolftracker.com/

Last but not least, his awesome hair
Jim had asked for the top 3, you of course need to start with 3 then 2 then 1.

Thanks.

:biglaugh:

You will never live that down. Classic!

[ripmeister]

BTW, it does not matter if 1 or 1 million or 100 million more voted for Hillary than for Trump. The President of the United States is not elected by popular vote but by the Electoral College.

You realize it is the states and not the people who elect the president. If we did not have the Electoral College we would not need the Senate and without the Senate we wouldn't need the several states. If we did not have the states or the electoral college we would not have a republic and if we had a straight democracy we would have total chaos and probably would not have a country.
I just read yesterday that some group is trying to get a proposal on the ballot for Ohio to become a part of the group of states that are going to give their EC votes to the national top vote getter. I hadn't really heard about this but apparently there is a group of states doing just this.

[Cletus]

I just read yesterday that some group is trying to get a proposal on the ballot for Ohio to become a part of the group of states that are going to give their EC votes to the national top vote getter. I hadn't really heard about this but apparently there is a group of states doing just this.
It will be challenged in court and shot down as unconstitutional. States cannot enter into compacts without the consent of Congress.

[DGUtley]

I just read yesterday that some group is trying to get a proposal on the ballot for Ohio to become a part of the group of states that are going to give their EC votes to the national top vote getter. I hadn't really heard about this but apparently there is a group of states doing just this.

1. I think that it may be an unconstitutional usurpation of the EC. https://harvardjol.com/2018/10/26/combination-among-the-states-npvic-unconstitutional/
2. I don't see it flying in Ohio.

[ripmeister]

It will be challenged in court and shot down as unconstitutional. States cannot enter into compacts without the consent of Congress.

I don't think its a compact. Its just various states changing the rules on how their EC votes are applied. That seems to be doable. After all there have for as long as I can remember different states do things differently ie proportional versus winner take all.

[ripmeister]

1. I think that it may be an unconstitutional usurpation of the EC. https://harvardjol.com/2018/10/26/combination-among-the-states-npvic-unconstitutional/
2. I don't see it flying in Ohio.

Perhaps not. I just found it interesting. I believe the article I read said that some states have already adopted this method. It will be interesting to see how different groups respond to this, especially those that are always touting the fact that its the states via the EC that elect POTUS. Are these same people going to tell various states how they can go about that?

[DGUtley]

Perhaps not. I just found it interesting. I believe the article I read said that some states have already adopted this method. It will be interesting to see how different groups respond to this, especially those that are always touting the fact that its the states via the EC that elect POTUS. Are these same people going to tell various states how they can go about that?

Those people? No. The Constitution? The SCOTUS? Yes. Read the Harvard article. It is very well written. I think that it is illegal. There are several more scholarly articles out there defining it as illegal / unconstitutional. The constitution is very near and dear to me. It must be followed.

[MisterVeritis]

I just read yesterday that some group is trying to get a proposal on the ballot for Ohio to become a part of the group of states that are going to give their EC votes to the national top vote getter. I hadn't really heard about this but apparently there is a group of states doing just this.
Yes. Imagine disenfranchising the States' voters.

If it should come to pass I will be pressing Alabama to leave the union.

[ripmeister]

Those people? No. The Constitution? The SCOTUS? Yes. Read the Harvard article. It is very well written. I think that it is illegal. There are several more scholarly articles out there defining it as illegal / unconstitutional. The constitution is very near and dear to me. It must be followed.
I will when I get the time. Sincere question. How it that currently, different states have different methods of awarding their EC votes that is proportional versus winner take all? I assume its because the states are given the latitude to decide just that.

[Bo-4]

1. Nothing
2. Nothing
3. Nothing

[Abby08]

1. Nothing
2. Nothing
3. Nothing

The same three top attributes Obama had!

[Tahuyaman]

Clinton


232

Trump


306


You can also link directly via this URL: https://www.270towin.com/maps/2016-actual-electoral-map




But....Russians hacked the election.

[Common]

1. I admire his resilliency and dont take their shit attitude

2. I admire that he doesnt fold to Liberal Progressives or Neocons

3. I admire he puts america first and is trying to secure the rape of our country at the border and works to make things better for americans and not everyone else.

[Tahuyaman]

TDS rots brains.

What's beyond rot? Total disintegration.

[Tahuyaman]

They'll never get over a black man being President two terms. It drives the peckerwoods crazy...


I'm not sure why you played that card.

[Abby08]

I'm not sure why you played that card.

Someone was bound to, at some point.

[Common]

I'm not sure why you played that card.

I know why but who cares

[Tahuyaman]

Someone was bound to, at some point.


Why? What's the point? Do they just throw out this stupid crap when they have nothing of value to add to a discussion?

[Abby08]

Why? What's the point? Do they just throw out this stupid crap when they have nothing of value to add to a discussion?

Um...yeah!

[Peter1469]

Those people? No. The Constitution? The SCOTUS? Yes. Read the Harvard article. It is very well written. I think that it is illegal. There are several more scholarly articles out there defining it as illegal / unconstitutional. The constitution is very near and dear to me. It must be followed.
If a states electors are pledged to the national popular vote it is unconstitutional - especially if the state popular vote is different. Here is a good article (https://www.thepostemail.com/2019/04/01/what-was-the-founders-intent-in-creating-the-electoral-college/) that is a two part article. See the link for the other part.

[ripmeister]

If a states electors are pledged to the national popular vote it is unconstitutional - especially if the state popular vote is different. Here is a good article (https://www.thepostemail.com/2019/04/01/what-was-the-founders-intent-in-creating-the-electoral-college/) that is a two part article. See the link for the other part.
I was curious about this. What allows proportional pledging then?

[Dr. Who]

It is pretty obvious the majority of the people who cared about the color of Obama's skin were the idiots who voted for him. They didn't care about the fact that he had no real leadership experience or that he had a dismal voting record in the Senate. All they cared about was that he was Black.

I have discussed this many times with people who voted for him and one of the things I have heard over and over and over again is that they voted for him because they wanted to be able to tell their grandchildren that they helped elect the first Black President. Most of them couldn't even discuss his platform. They didn't know anything about it and didn't care anything about it.

No, it wasn't Conservatives who were obsessed with Obama's race. It was the Liberal Left.
Even so, he was still more qualified to hold office than DJT. He at least didn't have his party and cabinet running around trying to do damage control, nor did he come across as a petulant, egotistical child. Oh, by the way, you're going to have to wait for 2020 to make any changes to the ACA. Apparently, 10 years is not enough time for the GOP to come up with a viable alternative, so I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a miracle in 2020.

[Chris]

Even so, he was still more qualified to hold office than DJT. He at least didn't have his party and cabinet running around trying to do damage control, nor did he come across as a petulant, egotistical child. Oh, by the way, you're going to have to wait for 2020 to make any changes to the ACA. Apparently, 10 years is not enough time for the GOP to come up with a viable alternative, so I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a miracle in 2020.

No, he wasn't. Obama was one of the worst Presidents we've ever seen. The ACA is just one example.

[Dr. Who]

No, he wasn't. Obama was one of the worst Presidents we've ever seen. The ACA is just one example.
That's the same ACA that neither Trump, nor the GOP (who have had 10 years to find an alternative) seem to have been able to change, even with a majority in both houses. Give me a break. The best that they can do is whine about it.

Obama wasn't perfect, by a long chalk, but he wasn't a raving lunatic who needed minders 24/7.

[Chris]

That's the same ACA that neither Trump, nor the GOP (who have had 10 years to find an alternative) seem to have been able to change, even with a majority in both houses. Give me a break. The best that they can do is whine about it.

Obama wasn't perfect, by a long chalk, but he wasn't a raving lunatic who needed minders 24/7.


It was unconstitutional as argued by Obama.


Obama was far from perfect but it was impossible to criticize his policies because lefties like you twisted into racism.

[testsubjectalpha]

Jobs, economic growth, confidence. America is a great country, not a socialist 'feel sorry for yourself' country. Freedom baby. This Gov't is employed by the people it serves, not the other way around.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH61hFsma24

[Dr. Who]

It was unconstitutional as argued by Obama.


Obama was far from perfect but it was impossible to criticize his policies because lefties like you twisted into racism.
People criticized his policies all the time. They weren't all about racial issues. In fact, Obama was pretty critical of all of the stereotypical behaviors in inner-city communities. In fact, during his first term, he addressed very few real issues affecting the black population. On the other hand, there was a great deal of activism happening during that period of time. Perhaps the fact that he is black, served as an impetus for black Americans and the far left to become more politically active. Yes, a segment of his support came from black Americans who wanted to address the structural issues plaguing their communities. It also came from white liberals who saw Obama as both a charismatic leader and a milestone in US history. Ironically, Obama is in many ways fundamentally more of a conservative than a liberal. There were, in fact, a number of instances where he was expected to intervene and did not, allowing state's rights to prevail. However, by the time that the Treyvon Martin death hit the news, the activism was becoming more extreme and it did affect Obama, although for weeks he tried to deflect and suggest that it was a local issue. There was enormous pressure for him to respond, and so he did finally with the expected backlash from the conservative community. The verdict spawned the #blacklivesmatter movement.

At the end of the day, Obama didn't create the racial divisions. They were always there but fairly quiet, not active or receiving much press. It was the expectation that because he is black that he would champion all of the racial issues that served as an impetus for activism.

I would only view criticisms of his domestic policies as racist if they were based on the assumption that the structural issues in America were non-existent.

[testsubjectalpha]

You write... Obama is in many ways fundamentally more of a conservative than a liberal....

spare me bro. that dog was fundamentally a Marxist utopian. he was not black or white, he was a rainbow of colors.

It is said that if you believe in everything, you believe in nothing.




People criticized his policies all the time. They weren't all about racial issues. In fact, Obama was pretty critical of all of the stereotypical behaviors in inner-city communities. In fact, during his first term, he addressed very few real issues affecting the black population. On the other hand, there was a great deal of activism happening during that period of time. Perhaps the fact that he is black, served as an impetus for black Americans and the far left to become more politically active. Yes, a segment of his support came from black Americans who wanted to address the structural issues plaguing their communities. It also came from white liberals who saw Obama as both a charismatic leader and a milestone in US history. Ironically, Obama is in many ways fundamentally more of a conservative than a liberal. There were, in fact, a number of instances where he was expected to intervene and did not, allowing state's rights to prevail. However, by the time that the Treyvon Martin death hit the news, the activism was becoming more extreme and it did affect Obama, although for weeks he tried to deflect and suggest that it was a local issue. There was enormous pressure for him to respond, and so he did finally with the expected backlash from the conservative community. The verdict spawned the #blacklivesmatter movement.

At the end of the day, Obama didn't create the racial divisions. They were always there but fairly quiet, not active or receiving much press. It was the expectation that because he is black that he would champion all of the racial issues that served as an impetus for activism.

I would only view criticisms of his domestic policies as racist if they were based on the assumption that the structural issues in America were non-existent.

[Cletus]

Even so, he was still more qualified to hold office than DJT.


No, he wasn't. He was no more qualified to be President than one of my dogs. In fact, either of them would probably have done a better job.


He at least didn't have his party and cabinet running around trying to do damage control, nor did he come across as a petulant, egotistical child.


That is about all he did.

[Peter1469]

I was curious about this. What allows proportional pledging then?
Proportional pledging still honors the votes of the State's citizens.

[Chris]

People criticized his policies all the time. They weren't all about racial issues. In fact, Obama was pretty critical of all of the stereotypical behaviors in inner-city communities. In fact, during his first term, he addressed very few real issues affecting the black population. On the other hand, there was a great deal of activism happening during that period of time. Perhaps the fact that he is black, served as an impetus for black Americans and the far left to become more politically active. Yes, a segment of his support came from black Americans who wanted to address the structural issues plaguing their communities. It also came from white liberals who saw Obama as both a charismatic leader and a milestone in US history. Ironically, Obama is in many ways fundamentally more of a conservative than a liberal. There were, in fact, a number of instances where he was expected to intervene and did not, allowing state's rights to prevail. However, by the time that the Treyvon Martin death hit the news, the activism was becoming more extreme and it did affect Obama, although for weeks he tried to deflect and suggest that it was a local issue. There was enormous pressure for him to respond, and so he did finally with the expected backlash from the conservative community. The verdict spawned the #blacklivesmatter movement.

At the end of the day, Obama didn't create the racial divisions. They were always there but fairly quiet, not active or receiving much press. It was the expectation that because he is black that he would champion all of the racial issues that served as an impetus for activism.

I would only view criticisms of his domestic policies as racist if they were based on the assumption that the structural issues in America were non-existent.



People criticized his policies all the time. They weren't all about racial issues....

Yes, people criticized his policies all the time, and very few wre about racial issues. But the left like you brushed all criticism away as racist.

[EvilCat Breath]

When did we have a black man as POTUS? Obummer wasn't black.

In his heart he is. He has the blackest heart of anyone alive today.