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Common
04-16-2019, 06:15 PM
In Senate testimony last week, Attorney General William Barr used the word “spying” to refer to the Obama administration (https://nypost.com/2019/04/10/barr-i-think-spying-did-occur-against-trump-campaign/), um, spying on the Trump campaign (https://nypost.com/2018/11/24/trump-claimed-obama-knew-of-fbi-efforts-to-spy-on-campaign-book/).
Of course, fainting spells ensued, with the media-Democrat complex in meltdown. Former FBI Director Jim Comey tut-tutted that he was confused by Barr’s comments, since the FBI’s “surveillance” had been authorized by a court.


(Needless to say, the former director neglected to mention that the court was not informed that the bureau’s “evidence” for the warrants was unverified hearsay paid for by the Clinton campaign.)


The pearl-clutching was predictable. Less than a year ago, we learned the Obama administration had used a confidential informant — a spy — to approach at least three Trump campaign officials in the months leading up to the 2016 election, straining to find proof that the campaign was complicit in the Kremlin’s hacking of Democratic emails (https://nypost.com/2018/07/13/mueller-indicts-12-russians-for-hacking-dnc-emails/).


As night follows day, we were treated to the same Beltway hysteria we got this week: Silly semantic carping over the word “spying” — which, regardless of whether a judge authorizes it, is merely the covert gathering of intelligence about a suspected wrongdoer, organization or foreign power.


There is no doubt that the Obama administration spied on the Trump campaign. As Barr made clear, the real question is: What predicated the spying? Was there a valid reason for it, strong enough to overcome our norm against political spying? Or was it done rashly? Was a politically motivated decision made to use highly intrusive investigative tactics when a more measured response would have sufficed, such as a “defensive briefing” that would have warned the Trump campaign of possible Russian infiltration?

Last year, when the “spy” games got underway, James Clapper, Obama’s director of national intelligence, conceded that, yes, the FBI did run an informant — “spy” is such an icky word — at Trump campaign officials; but, we were told, this was merely to investigate Russia. Cross Clapper’s heart, it had nothing to do with the Trump campaign. No, no, no. Indeed, the Obama administration only used an informant because — bet you didn’t know this — doing so is the most benign, least intrusive mode of conducting an investigation.

https://nypost.com/2019/04/15/behind-the-obama-administrations-shady-plan-to-spy-on-the-trump-campaign/

Peter1469
04-17-2019, 04:38 AM
I am not sure why the left and the MSM, sorry to repeat myself, melted over the use of the term spying. For one, the "news" such as the NYT has used that term in the past to describe government action against the Trump campaign. Second, Barr clearly said he was looking into whether the spying was proper or not. So the focus is not on spying which we all know took place, but rather whether it was properly authorized or not.

alexa
04-17-2019, 07:11 AM
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Common
04-17-2019, 07:29 AM
I am not sure why the left and the MSM, sorry to repeat myself, melted over the use of the term spying. For one, the "news" such as the NYT has used that term in the past to describe government action against the Trump campaign. Second, Barr clearly said he was looking into whether the spying was proper or not. So the focus is not on spying which we all know took place, but rather whether it was properly authorized or not.
Because they melt over everything Trump F them fake news at its finest

countryboy
04-17-2019, 07:36 AM
In Senate testimony last week, Attorney General William Barr used the word “spying” to refer to the Obama administration (https://nypost.com/2019/04/10/barr-i-think-spying-did-occur-against-trump-campaign/), um, spying on the Trump campaign (https://nypost.com/2018/11/24/trump-claimed-obama-knew-of-fbi-efforts-to-spy-on-campaign-book/).
Of course, fainting spells ensued, with the media-Democrat complex in meltdown. Former FBI Director Jim Comey tut-tutted that he was confused by Barr’s comments, since the FBI’s “surveillance” had been authorized by a court.


(Needless to say, the former director neglected to mention that the court was not informed that the bureau’s “evidence” for the warrants was unverified hearsay paid for by the Clinton campaign.)


The pearl-clutching was predictable. Less than a year ago, we learned the Obama administration had used a confidential informant — a spy — to approach at least three Trump campaign officials in the months leading up to the 2016 election, straining to find proof that the campaign was complicit in the Kremlin’s hacking of Democratic emails (https://nypost.com/2018/07/13/mueller-indicts-12-russians-for-hacking-dnc-emails/).


As night follows day, we were treated to the same Beltway hysteria we got this week: Silly semantic carping over the word “spying” — which, regardless of whether a judge authorizes it, is merely the covert gathering of intelligence about a suspected wrongdoer, organization or foreign power.


There is no doubt that the Obama administration spied on the Trump campaign. As Barr made clear, the real question is: What predicated the spying? Was there a valid reason for it, strong enough to overcome our norm against political spying? Or was it done rashly? Was a politically motivated decision made to use highly intrusive investigative tactics when a more measured response would have sufficed, such as a “defensive briefing” that would have warned the Trump campaign of possible Russian infiltration?

Last year, when the “spy” games got underway, James Clapper, Obama’s director of national intelligence, conceded that, yes, the FBI did run an informant — “spy” is such an icky word — at Trump campaign officials; but, we were told, this was merely to investigate Russia. Cross Clapper’s heart, it had nothing to do with the Trump campaign. No, no, no. Indeed, the Obama administration only used an informant because — bet you didn’t know this — doing so is the most benign, least intrusive mode of conducting an investigation.

https://nypost.com/2019/04/15/behind-the-obama-administrations-shady-plan-to-spy-on-the-trump-campaign/

Actually, Comey used the words, "court ordered surveillance", which is ridiculous on it's face. Does the court take it upon itself to spy on American citizens? No, of course not. Law enforcement petitions the court to undertake these measures. Comey is either the Inspector Clouseau of law enforcement, or, he is a liar and a fraud.

alexa
04-17-2019, 08:19 AM
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MMC
04-17-2019, 08:27 AM
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alexa
04-17-2019, 09:36 AM
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MMC
04-17-2019, 09:43 AM
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Does it fit better than the dunce hat you wear in the corner? :laugh:

Tahuyaman
04-17-2019, 09:52 AM
I am not sure why the left and the MSM, sorry to repeat myself, melted over the use of the term spying. For one, the "news" such as the NYT has used that term in the past to describe government action against the Trump campaign. Second, Barr clearly said he was looking into whether the spying was proper or not. So the focus is not on spying which we all know took place, but rather whether it was properly authorized or not.


It is odd. Comey admitted that they engaged in electronic survailence of the Trump campaign. That is spying.