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alexa
04-24-2019, 06:25 AM
Iowa’s longest-serving Republican legislator, state Rep. Andy McKean, ditched the GOP on Tuesday as he offered a searing renunciation of President Trump, saying he could no longer support Trump as the party’s standard-bearer due to his “unacceptable behavior” and “reckless spending."
McKean revealed he would join the Democratic Party, a decision he described as a “very difficult” after spending nearly a half-century as a registered Republican and 26 years in the Legislature. But ultimately, he said, “I feel as a Republican that I need to be able to support the standard bearer of our party.”


And “unfortunately,” he said, he could not bring himself to support Trump.


“Unacceptable behavior should be called out for what it is,” he said during the news conference (https://www.radioiowa.com/2019/04/23/eastern-iowa-lawmaker-switches-from-gop-to-democratic-party-audio/) at the Iowa Statehouse in Des Moines, “and Americans of all parties should insist on something far better in the leader of their country and the free world.”

As the 2020 election approaches, McKean said he believed it was “just a matter of time” before the country “pays a heavy price for Trump’s reckless spending and shortsighted financial policies," as well as his administration’s environmental and “destabilizing” foreign policies


“He sets, in my opinion, a poor example for the nation and particularly for our children by personally insulting, often in a crude and juvenile fashion, those who disagree with him, being a bully at a time when we’re attempting to discourage bullying,” McKean said.


He continued: "I believe his actions have coarsened political discourse, have resulted in unprecedented divisiveness and have created an atmosphere that is a breeding ground for hateful rhetoric and actions. Some would excuse this behavior as ‘telling it like it is’ and the new normal. If this is the new normal, I want no part of it.”



https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/04/24/if-this-is-new-normal-i-want-no-part-it-citing-trump-iowas-longest-serving-republican-leaves-party/?utm_term=.2792e1bd7219


Another RINO, no doubt.

hanger4
04-24-2019, 06:35 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/04/24/if-this-is-new-normal-i-want-no-part-it-citing-trump-iowas-longest-serving-republican-leaves-party/?utm_term=.2792e1bd7219Another RINO, no doubt.I don't know about rino, but he's definitely conflicted, complains about "reckless spending" yet he's joining the Democratic Party.

gamewell45
04-24-2019, 06:46 AM
I know he doesn't like the way Trump conducts himself, but additionally If he's trying to escape hypocrisy, then he's going to be disappointed since both major political parties are a part of the same hypocrisy.

Cannons Front
04-24-2019, 06:47 AM
Not sure how you can claim that you are leaving a party because you cannot support it's leader saying things like "“just a matter of time” before the country “pays a heavy price for Trump’s reckless spending and shortsighted financial policies," and join a party that is talking about Trillions of dollars of new spending "or we will all die"

As far as “He sets, in my opinion, a poor example for the nation and particularly for our children by personally insulting, often in a crude and juvenile fashion, those who disagree with him, being a bully at a time when we’re attempting to discourage bullying,”
I wish Trump would do a bit more thinking before he talks or tweets but be honest, the fire was burning long before he even started running. To try to place blame solely on Trump for the political discourse and division in the country right now is just plain stupid. It has been growing and the pot was boiling before Trump. There seemed to be much more public outrage before Trump than there is now.

alexa
04-24-2019, 06:49 AM
I know he doesn't like the way Trump conducts himself, but additionally If he's trying to escape hypocrisy, then he's going to be disappointed since both major political parties are a part of the same hypocrisy.
He said nothing about hypocrisy.

He said a lot about creating an atmosphere that breeds hate, divisiveness and bullying.

That's Trump and Republicans can't seem to bend over to kiss his ass fast enough.

Trish
04-24-2019, 06:50 AM
If you look back on previous administrations, especially those that are not aligned with the majority of americans, you will see a trend around this time in the administration speaking out against and/or leaving their positions or their party.

I've always found it nothing more than a strategic move to distance themselves for the sole purpose of saving themselves.

I wish it were based on principals but 99.9% of the time it's for selfish reasons. It's a strategic political move. Don't take it for face value.

gamewell45
04-24-2019, 06:51 AM
He said nothing about hypocrisy.

He said a lot about creating an atmosphere that breeds hate, divisiveness and bullying.

That's Trump and Republicans can't seem to bend over to kiss his ass fast enough.

That's why I included the word "If", because sometimes they don't share all their reasons publicly.

alexa
04-24-2019, 06:52 AM
Trump and the Republicans have added over $1.5T to the deficit, so far.

Cry me a river.

countryboy
04-24-2019, 07:09 AM
Not sure how you can claim that you are leaving a party because you cannot support it's leader saying things like "“just a matter of time” before the country “pays a heavy price for Trump’s reckless spending and shortsighted financial policies," and join a party that is talking about Trillions of dollars of new spending "or we will all die"

As far as “He sets, in my opinion, a poor example for the nation and particularly for our children by personally insulting, often in a crude and juvenile fashion, those who disagree with him, being a bully at a time when we’re attempting to discourage bullying,”
I wish Trump would do a bit more thinking before he talks or tweets but be honest, the fire was burning long before he even started running. To try to place blame solely on Trump for the political discourse and division in the country right now is just plain stupid. It has been growing and the pot was boiling before Trump. There seemed to be much more public outrage before Trump than there is now.

What a joke. "Trump sets a bad example for our children, so I'm joining the party that promotes post birth abortion, and wants terrorists to vote from prison". Yeah, makes perfect sense. Obviously this loser was never a Republican. Good riddance.

countryboy
04-24-2019, 07:11 AM
He said nothing about hypocrisy.

He said a lot about creating an atmosphere that breeds hate, divisiveness and bullying.

That's Trump and Republicans can't seem to bend over to kiss his ass fast enough.
This is satire, right?

Cannons Front
04-24-2019, 07:12 AM
Obama averaged over a billion in deficit a year so on that standard we have cut spending...

Now I will say that I do not like deficit spending, I would love to see a balanced budget amendment. I would also like to see the Republicans stand their ground and cut spending like they always claim they want. But to act like Trump is any worse spending wise than any other recent POTUS is silly. Then when you factor in the Democrats new policy of FREE everything lets pretend that if given the chance they would not blow the spending out of the water...

alexa
04-24-2019, 07:58 AM
What a joke. "Trump sets a bad example for our children, so I'm joining the party that promotes post birth abortion, and wants terrorists to vote from prison". Yeah, makes perfect sense. Obviously this loser was never a Republican. Good riddance.
Thanks for running true to form, Trumpling.

countryboy
04-24-2019, 08:33 AM
Thanks for running true to form, Trumpling.

My pleasure, sweetie pie.

Chris
04-24-2019, 08:53 AM
This is satire, right?

It's more like self-parody.

alexa
04-24-2019, 08:53 AM
Obama averaged over a billion in deficit a year so on that standard we have cut spending...

Now I will say that I do not like deficit spending, I would love to see a balanced budget amendment. I would also like to see the Republicans stand their ground and cut spending like they always claim they want. But to act like Trump is any worse spending wise than any other recent POTUS is silly. Then when you factor in the Democrats new policy of FREE everything lets pretend that if given the chance they would not blow the spending out of the water...

Awesome whataboutism.



Thanks!

alexa
04-24-2019, 08:54 AM
This is satire, right?
Pucker up, honey

countryboy
04-24-2019, 09:40 AM
It's more like self-parody.

Good grief, libs just blurt stuff out, without any consideration of reality. I call it Trump Tourette Syndrome. :facepalm:

Cannons Front
04-24-2019, 09:44 AM
Awesome whataboutism. Thanks!

That is not a what aboutism, it is a statement of fact. GWB, and Obama are among the top of POTUS that increased the debt, you are complaining that Trump has wildly increased the debt, yet in fact he has averaged less than the last 2. As I also stated, I don't like the excessive spending from any of them pointing that the Republicans talk the talk but rarely walk the walk, while you just want to rant about Trump. I also pointed out out that as much as you want to cry now about Trumps spending, you still support the Dems that are wanting to spend trillions more....

See that's what happens when you talk out of both sides of your mouth, you get called out for hypocrisy . I am against all excessive spending, you just cry about Trumps.

Peter1469
04-24-2019, 09:54 AM
Trump and the Republicans have added over $1.5T to the deficit, so far.

Cry me a river.
The dems would double that. A curse on both their houses.

Ethereal
04-24-2019, 10:41 AM
I'm sorry, but I don't find his behavior the least bit inspirational or meaningful. He left one party only to join the other one. Seems like a "lateral" move to me. The title of the article could have easily read: Mainstream Politician Remains Firmly Ensconced Within the Establishment

alexa
04-24-2019, 10:42 AM
The dems would double that. A curse on both their houses.
Of course they would.

You people are hilarious

MisterVeritis
04-24-2019, 10:43 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/04/24/if-this-is-new-normal-i-want-no-part-it-citing-trump-iowas-longest-serving-republican-leaves-party/?utm_term=.2792e1bd7219
Another RINO, no doubt.
He has spent his adult life being part of the problem. He lived off the work of others his entire adult life.

alexa
04-24-2019, 10:44 AM
That is not a what aboutism, it is a statement of fact. GWB, and Obama are among the top of POTUS that increased the debt, you are complaining that Trump has wildly increased the debt, yet in fact he has averaged less than the last 2. As I also stated, I don't like the excessive spending from any of them pointing that the Republicans talk the talk but rarely walk the walk, while you just want to rant about Trump. I also pointed out out that as much as you want to cry now about Trumps spending, you still support the Dems that are wanting to spend trillions more....

See that's what happens when you talk out of both sides of your mouth, you get called out for hypocrisy . I am against all excessive spending, you just cry about Trumps.
I don't cry about anything, sweet cheeks, and you have no idea what I may or may not have said about excessive spending in the past.

MisterVeritis
04-24-2019, 10:46 AM
Obama averaged over a billion in deficit a year so on that standard we have cut spending...

Now I will say that I do not like deficit spending, I would love to see a balanced budget amendment. I would also like to see the Republicans stand their ground and cut spending like they always claim they want. But to act like Trump is any worse spending wise than any other recent POTUS is silly. Then when you factor in the Democrats new policy of FREE everything lets pretend that if given the chance they would not blow the spending out of the water...
A trillion...

Cannons Front
04-24-2019, 10:47 AM
A trillion...
You are correct, sorry Typo...

Tahuyaman
04-24-2019, 10:48 AM
Trump and the Republicans have added over $1.5T to the deficit, so far.

Cry me a river.

Isn't the congress responsible for spending?

alexa
04-24-2019, 10:50 AM
Isn't the congress responsible for spending?

What part of *and the Republicans* baffles you?

Tahuyaman
04-24-2019, 10:53 AM
What part of *and the Republicans* baffles you?
When was Trump a member of the congress?

montgomery
04-24-2019, 10:56 AM
So let's sum it up for you Americans:

1. A socially responsible fix of the sort that Bernie has been pushing since the last election for pres. Likely all that is required is for the people to get it through their heads that social responsibility for the people isn't socialism or communism. (that's asking a lot of Americans)

2. Storm clouds ahead as Trump is able to gain more popularity because of the desperation of the people. (because of socially irresponsible government) And as China rises and Americans are forced more to share the wealth, then the lot of the ordinary people becomes much worse. ($7.00/hr. wages becomes the norm in order to compete with China)

There's no time to waste now on taking to heart the changes people like Bernie are attempting to bring to the people. Betting on Bernie or Trump is a real crapshoot! History doesn't tell a very nice story on which way America will go. There's no denying that we're seeing a repeat of 1930's Germany.

Tahuyaman
04-24-2019, 11:00 AM
So let's sum it up for you Americans:

1. A socially responsible fix of the sort that Bernie has been pushing since the last election for pres. Likely all that is required is for the people to get it through their heads that social responsibility for the people isn't socialism or communism. (that's asking a lot of Americans)

2. Storm clouds ahead as Trump is able to gain more popularity because of the desperation of the people. (because of socially irresponsible government) And as China rises and Americans are forced more to share the wealth, then the lot of the ordinary people becomes much worse. ($7.00/hr. wages becomes the norm in order to compete with China)

There's no time to waste now on taking to heart the changes people like Bernie are attempting to bring to the people. Betting on Bernie or Trump is a real crapshoot! History doesn't tell a very nice story on which way America will go. There's no denying that we're seeing a repeat of 1930's Germany.
What part of Sanders' agenda is socially responsible?

alexa
04-24-2019, 11:06 AM
When was Trump a member of the congress?
lol

Cannons Front
04-24-2019, 11:07 AM
I don't cry about anything, sweet cheeks, and you have no idea what I may or may not have said about excessive spending in the past.
While you may say you "don't Cry..." you do manage to complain about whatever Trump does while you cheer whatever the left does, unless I have missed a post or two of yours.... I do not recall anywhere that you have complained about the Dems voting for huge spending increases or against tax cuts.

Personally I am for spending cuts, and I am for tax cuts I really do not care which side of the isle proposes them. Govt's at all levels take far too much in taxes and waste far too much money that is not theirs to begin with. As far as "you have no idea what I may or may not have said about excessive spending in the past." I do know what you have posted for the most part and again, don't recall you calling out any wasteful spending unless it was something that Trump has said or did, On that you are pretty consistent. You also seem to support Bernie and his fellow Dems that keep talking about free stuff for all, that dosen't sound like a very fiscal responsible position because the money must come from somewhere... Generally though a lot of your posts just degenerate into name calling and personal attacks....

Man I guess I do not what you have posted in the past after all..........LOL

alexa
04-24-2019, 11:10 AM
While you may say you "don't Cry..." you do manage to complain about whatever Trump does while you cheer whatever the left does, unless I have missed a post or two of yours.... I do not recall anywhere that you have complained about the Dems voting for huge spending increases or against tax cuts.

Personally I am for spending cuts, and I am for tax cuts I really do not care which side of the isle proposes them. Govt's at all levels take far too much in taxes and waste far too much money that is not theirs to begin with. As far as "you have no idea what I may or may not have said about excessive spending in the past." I do know what you have posted for the most part and again, don't recall you calling out any wasteful spending unless it was something that Trump has said or did, On that you are pretty consistent. You also seem to support Bernie and his fellow Dems that keep talking about free stuff for all, that dosen't sound like a very fiscal responsible position because the money must come from somewhere... Generally though a lot of your posts just degenerate into name calling and personal attacks....

Man I guess I do not what you have posted in the past after all..........LOL

No, you don't

Good guess

Tahuyaman
04-24-2019, 11:15 AM
When was Trump a member of the congress?


lol

Was that an answer?

alexa
04-24-2019, 11:16 AM
Was that an answer?
Was that a question?

montgomery
04-24-2019, 11:17 AM
No, you don't

Good guess

Your Democratic party isn't going to give you, the people, the changes you need. They're the same establishment under a different label. And treading water is going to spawn more and more evil of the sort that is the Cannon's front.

No establishment Democrat for pres is going to beat Trump. The situation of the American people only gets worse and that's what makes Trump more and more popular.

Really and truly, you have to start thinking in terms of 1930's Germany and Hitler's rise, and why.

alexa
04-24-2019, 11:18 AM
Your Democratic party isn't going to give you, the people, the changes you need. They're the same establishment under a different label. And treading water is going to spawn more and more evil of the sort that is the Cannon's front.

No establishment Democrat for pres is going to beat Trump. The situation of the American people only gets worse and that's what makes Trump more and more popular.

Really and truly, you have to start thinking in terms of 1930's Germany and Hitler's rise, and why.

Clearly you've confused me with someone else.

Why don't you find them and give them the benefit of your wisdom?

Tahuyaman
04-24-2019, 11:20 AM
While you may say you "don't Cry..." you do manage to complain about whatever Trump does while you cheer whatever the left does, unless I have missed a post or two of yours.... I do not recall anywhere that you have complained about the Dems voting for huge spending increases or against tax cuts.

Personally I am for spending cuts, and I am for tax cuts I really do not care which side of the isle proposes them. Govt's at all levels take far too much in taxes and waste far too much money that is not theirs to begin with. As far as "you have no idea what I may or may not have said about excessive spending in the past." I do know what you have posted for the most part and again, don't recall you calling out any wasteful spending unless it was something that Trump has said or did, On that you are pretty consistent. You also seem to support Bernie and his fellow Dems that keep talking about free stuff for all, that dosen't sound like a very fiscal responsible position because the money must come from somewhere... Generally though a lot of your posts just degenerate into name calling and personal attacks....

Man I guess I do not what you have posted in the past after all..........LOL

There are millions of people out there who only know what they are against and most to all of that is based simply on partisanship. Stepping out of the partisan box requires thinking and an examination of the issues.

Ransom
04-24-2019, 11:26 AM
I don't cry about anything, sweet cheeks, and you have no idea what I may or may not have said about excessive spending in the past.
We do remember 3,2,1

Cannons Front
04-24-2019, 11:35 AM
So let's sum it up for you Americans:
1. A socially responsible fix of the sort that Bernie has been pushing since the last election for pres. Likely all that is required is for the people to get it through their heads that social responsibility for the people isn't socialism or communism. (that's asking a lot of Americans)

What responsible fix has Bernie Proposed?
Free College for all. How do we pay for that?
Prisoners Voting. Really?
Medicare for all. How do we pay for that?
Green New Deal. How do we pay for that? and according to most experts simply not possible


2. Storm clouds ahead as Trump is able to gain more popularity because of the desperation of the people. (because of socially irresponsible government) And as China rises and Americans are forced more to share the wealth, then the lot of the ordinary people becomes much worse. ($7.00/hr. wages becomes the norm in order to compete with China)
What jobs pay minimum wage? Not sure where you live but Fast food starts out at $11-12 an hour around here. So if the market pays above minimum wage already why mess with it?



There's no time to waste now on taking to heart the changes people like Bernie are attempting to bring to the people. Betting on Bernie or Trump is a real crapshoot! History doesn't tell a very nice story on which way America will go. There's no denying that we're seeing a repeat of 1930's Germany.

What today is like 1930's Germany? Please give specific examples.

Chris
04-24-2019, 01:36 PM
So let's sum it up for you Americans:

1. A socially responsible fix of the sort that Bernie has been pushing since the last election for pres. Likely all that is required is for the people to get it through their heads that social responsibility for the people isn't socialism or communism. (that's asking a lot of Americans)

2. Storm clouds ahead as Trump is able to gain more popularity because of the desperation of the people. (because of socially irresponsible government) And as China rises and Americans are forced more to share the wealth, then the lot of the ordinary people becomes much worse. ($7.00/hr. wages becomes the norm in order to compete with China)

There's no time to waste now on taking to heart the changes people like Bernie are attempting to bring to the people. Betting on Bernie or Trump is a real crapshoot! History doesn't tell a very nice story on which way America will go. There's no denying that we're seeing a repeat of 1930's Germany.



There's no denying that we're seeing a repeat of 1930's Germany.

Hmm, so, yea, Bernie is somewhat nationalist in his socialism while AOC is more communist (globalist) in hers. But one's too old and the other too young to be much of an immediate threat.

Captdon
04-25-2019, 08:49 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/04/24/if-this-is-new-normal-i-want-no-part-it-citing-trump-iowas-longest-serving-republican-leaves-party/?utm_term=.2792e1bd7219


Another RINO, no doubt.

You're all excited about one state representative? The cartoon channel must really get your motor running.

Captdon
04-25-2019, 09:01 PM
Trump and the Republicans have added over $1.5T to the deficit, so far.

Cry me a river.

Your boy doubled the debt to end the worst recession on "shave ready jobs." He never did that.

Captdon
04-25-2019, 09:03 PM
Thanks for running true to form, Trumpling.

Crap post.

Captdon
04-25-2019, 09:05 PM
I'm sorry, but I don't find his behavior the least bit inspirational or meaningful. He left one party only to join the other one. Seems like a "lateral" move to me. The title of the article could have easily read: Mainstream Politician Remains Firmly Ensconced Within the Establishment

Your typical nonsense.He only ran as a Republican is he knew the fix was in Hildebeast. He is a populist.

Captdon
04-25-2019, 09:07 PM
Of course they would.

You people are hilarious

Triple and a busted economy.

Captdon
04-25-2019, 09:09 PM
What part of *and the Republicans* baffles you?

Funny question from you.

Captdon
04-25-2019, 09:12 PM
So let's sum it up for you Americans:

1. A socially responsible fix of the sort that Bernie has been pushing since the last election for pres. Likely all that is required is for the people to get it through their heads that social responsibility for the people isn't socialism or communism. (that's asking a lot of Americans)

2. Storm clouds ahead as Trump is able to gain more popularity because of the desperation of the people. (because of socially irresponsible government) And as China rises and Americans are forced more to share the wealth, then the lot of the ordinary people becomes much worse. ($7.00/hr. wages becomes the norm in order to compete with China)

There's no time to waste now on taking to heart the changes people like Bernie are attempting to bring to the people. Betting on Bernie or Trump is a real crapshoot! History doesn't tell a very nice story on which way America will go. There's no denying that we're seeing a repeat of 1930's Germany.

Sanders is a communist.

He will lose a big margin.

You don't know a damn thing about Gernay is the 1930's. Well, that and anything else.

testsubjectalpha
04-25-2019, 10:32 PM
Dude has been a politician getting his paycheck off the backs of tax paying citizens for 26 years. What funny is this guy has less years under his belt than Joe Biden.






https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/04/24/if-this-is-new-normal-i-want-no-part-it-citing-trump-iowas-longest-serving-republican-leaves-party/?utm_term=.2792e1bd7219


Another RINO, no doubt.

Tahuyaman
04-25-2019, 11:03 PM
Citing Trump, Iowa’s longest-serving Republican leaves party


Good news. More need to leave. Maybe the Republican party can one day be dominated by true constitutional conservatives.