Anti-Semitic assaults in US doubled in 2018

[Common]

Anti Semitism is on the rise and its directly because of the rhetoric coming from the Liberal LEFT.



Violent attacks against the Jewish community in the United States doubled last year, while overall attacks that also include vandalism and harassment remained near record-high levels, the Anti-Defamation League reported Tuesday.

The Jewish civil rights group released its annual census of anti-Semitic incidents three days after a gunman opened fire at a Southern California synagogue (https://nypost.com/2019/04/28/synagogue-shooting-victim-was-a-founding-member-of-the-congregation/), killing a woman (https://nypost.com/2019/04/28/jewish-hero-killed-in-synagogue-shooting-took-bullet-to-save-her-rabbis-life/) and wounding a rabbi (https://nypost.com/2019/04/27/brave-rabbi-consoled-congregation-even-after-being-shot-in-the-hand/) and two others.


The New York-based group counted 1,879 anti-Semitic incidents — either harassment, vandalism or physical assault — in 2018. That is a 5% decrease from the 1,986 incidents reported in 2017, but the third-highest total since ADL began tracking the data in the 1970s. The 2017 number marked a 57% increase over 2016 and was the highest tally ADL had counted in more than two decades.


ADL counted 39 cases of physical assaults involving 59 victims in 2018, up from 19 assaults and 21 victims in 2017. The 2018 tally includes the 11 people who were killed and two congregants wounded when a gunman opened fire at the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh in October. It was the deadliest attack on Jews in the nation’s history.


https://nypost.com/2019/04/30/anti-semitic-assaults-in-us-doubled-in-2018-report-says/

[countryboy]

The left is quick to blame Trump as the root cause for antisemitic sentiments. Not sure how they come to this conclusion, when his daughter is a converted Jew, and he is a great ally to Israel. They obviously are attempting to use this as cover for their own blatant antisemitism.

The NYT published this cartoon last week, and left it up for three or four days. They have since pulled the cartoon, and apologized. But how did such a blatantly antisemitic cartoon get past their editorial process in the first place? It could be said this image reflects the precise sentiments of the San Diego, Poway shooter. It's also reminiscent of WW II Nazi propaganda. What the hell is going on with the left? Are you kidding me?

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[FindersKeepers]

Antisemitism is rising on the Left. It has been for over a decade now as the Left has sought to demonize Jews, via false accusations against Israel. The average leftist thinks they're supporting the poor Palestinians against a domineering Israel, but nothing could be further from the truth. The attacks on Israel are not political in nature -- they're religious -- and they seek the ultimate goal of dismantling the nation. Very few leftists take the time to do the research necessary to determine whether the accusations are true or false -- they'd rather just obediently swallow the BS being spoon fed them.

Of course, there is another (albeit very small) antisemitic faction on the far Right but it hasn't been gathering steam of late. What we're seeing now from the Left is a direct result of Obama's failed foreign policies. And the hateful sentiment is jumping from the nation of Israel to Jewish people everywhere.

[Standing Wolf]

Anti Semitism is on the rise and its directly because of the rhetoric coming from the Liberal LEFT.

Horsesh*t.

The political state of Israel, along with its leaders and military, are fair game for criticism, just like any other entity on the planet.

Playing the Religion Card is just cheap, lazy and shallow. And the NYT cartoon was right on and should not have generated an apology.

[Common]

Horsesh*t.

The political state of Israel, along with its leaders and military, are fair game for criticism, just like any other entity on the planet.

Playing the Religion Card is just cheap, lazy and shallow. And the NYT cartoon was right on and should not have generated an apology.

The horseshit is your disbelief that anti semitism isnt a reflection of American and Europeans dripping with hatred for israel who by the way are jews. What you are trying to gloss over is that INCIDENTS of anti semetism have doubled HERE in the USA not israel

You can deny it all you want but jewish groups are not denying it, do some reading

Growing Anti-Semitism Stuns American Jews
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/29/us/anti-semitism-attacks.html

[Standing Wolf]

Antisemitism is rising on the Left. It has been for over a decade now as the Left has sought to demonize Jews, via false accusations against Israel. The average leftist thinks they're supporting the poor Palestinians against a domineering Israel, but nothing could be further from the truth. The attacks on Israel are not political in nature -- they're religious -- and they seek the ultimate goal of dismantling the nation. Very few leftists take the time to do the research necessary to determine whether the accusations are true or false -- they'd rather just obediently swallow the BS being spoon fed them...

Of course...the Palestinians hate the Israeli government that has occupied the West Bank for more than half a century and permitted hundreds of illegal settlements there, while destroying farms, orchards, wells, roads and water sources in an attempt to drive out the people who have dwelt there for hundreds of years, because they're Jews. :rollseyes:

I've been studying the matter for almost forty years, FK. I haven't been "spoon fed" anything.

[countryboy]

Horsesh*t.

The political state of Israel, along with its leaders and military, are fair game for criticism, just like any other entity on the planet.

Playing the Religion Card is just cheap, lazy and shallow. And the NYT cartoon was right on and should not have generated an apology.
Horsesh*t is right. Wake up and smell the coffee, the alt-left is using "anti-Zionism" to disguise their antisemitism. You can deny it all you want.

Soooo, using Nazi-like imagery is "right on", got it. Thanks for proving my point. Geez.

[FindersKeepers]

Horsesh*t.

The political state of Israel, along with its leaders and military, are fair game for criticism, just like any other entity on the planet.

Playing the Religion Card is just cheap, lazy and shallow. And the NYT cartoon was right on and should not have generated an apology.


Unfortunately, we can't really remove the religion card from the mix. A good deal of the reason the Arab states despise Israel is based on hundreds of years of Jewish/Islamic religious conflict, and one of the main reasons Leftists have turned against Israel is because the Religious Right proffers undying support for the nation -- and the RR's support is also based on religion.

We're seeing fallout from the old adage "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." When the Left bolstered the enemies of Israel, they did two things, 1) They emboldened said "enemies," which is apparent in the propaganda tactics used, and 2) They opened the lid of Pandora's antisemitism box -- a box we worked so long and hard to close.

I know this isn't a thread on Israel, but the growing antisemitism didn't happen overnight, and it didn't happen in a vacuum.

Religion plays a major role here.

[countryboy]

Of course...the Palestinians hate the Israeli government that has occupied the West Bank for more than half a century and permitted hundreds of illegal settlements there, while destroying farms, orchards, wells, roads and water sources in an attempt to drive out the people who have dwelt there for hundreds of years, because they're Jews. :rollseyes:

I've been studying the matter for almost forty years, FK. I haven't been "spoon fed" anything.

You've obviously used a fork, to feed yourself Nazi propaganda.

[Common]

If the right says anything about Iran the left jumps right to their defense.

Iran demands the death to america, Israel supports america.

The left hates israel but loves them some iran.

Me im sticking with our friend Israel

[alexa]

There are some very fine people on both sides.

[FindersKeepers]

Of course...the Palestinians hate the Israeli government that has occupied the West Bank for more than half a century and permitted hundreds of illegal settlements there, while destroying farms, orchards, wells, roads and water sources in an attempt to drive out the people who have dwelt there for hundreds of years, because they're Jews. :rollseyes:

I've been studying the matter for almost forty years, FK. I haven't been "spoon fed" anything.
It is possible to study a thing from a single point of view and, as a result, to have missed other very valid points of view.

What's happening here (in my opinion) is a leftist move to gloss over the intent of the Arab states - don't forget which nations amassed on Israel's borders in 67. I don't think most leftists have a clue as to why many of the one-state and two-state propositions have failed. Most leftists don't realize the one thing the Palestinians always demand is the Right of Return, but if that ever happens -- it's a death sentence for Israel.

There's no legitimate reason to go back to the pre-67 borders -- that land was taken in a defensive war by Israel and it offers a protective buffer from some very violent Arab states.

What we need to do (as an international effort) is relocate the Gazans to other areas in the Arab world, and we need to ensure they get a good start at a new life there. But, we cannot, in good conscience, support the proposals negotiated by the Left and by the Arab states that demand a Right of Return -- because we're effectively terminating the Jewish people in Israel if we do.

[FindersKeepers]

There are some very fine people on both sides.

This just dawned on you?

Fascinating.

[alexa]

This just dawned on you?

Fascinating.
You're easily fascinated.

[FindersKeepers]

You're easily fascinated.

Don't insult yourself that way.

[Common Sense]

I can't wait for someone to tell us that the tiki torch crew chanting "blood and soil" and "the Jews will not replace us" in Charlottesville were liberals.

[FindersKeepers]

I can't wait for someone to tell us that the tiki torch crew chanting "blood and soil" and "the Jews will not replace us" in Charlottesville were liberals.
Of course they weren't.

I already addressed that tiny faction.

Now, you address the growing antisemitism coming from the Left.

[Standing Wolf]

Horsesh*t is right. Wake up and smell the coffee, the alt-left is using "anti-Zionism" to disguise their antisemitism. You can deny it all you want.

Soooo, using Nazi-like imagery is "right on", got it. Thanks for proving my point. Geez.

What "Nazi-like imagery" is that?

[Standing Wolf]

Of course they weren't.

I already addressed that tiny faction.

Now, you address the growing antisemitism coming from the Left.

The "anti-Semitism [auto-correct won't permit me to write it as you did] coming from the Left" is nothing but a Right Wing talking point. It is not that dissimilar to the Left Wing talking point that all police shootings of Black people, and all attempts to stop illegal immigration across our southern border, are racist. Have you ever been accused of being a racist because of one or more of your expressed views? Yeah, that's what it feels like.

[Standing Wolf]

I can't wait for someone to tell us that the tiki torch crew chanting "blood and soil" and "the Jews will not replace us" in Charlottesville were liberals.

Obviously a false flag.

[FindersKeepers]

The "anti-Semitism [auto-correct won't permit me to write it as you did]...

I know! Auto correct is a bear!


"...coming from the Left" is nothing but a Right Wing talking point. It is not that dissimilar to the Left Wing talking point that all police shootings of Black people, and all attempts to stop illegal immigration across our southern border, are racist. Have you ever been accused of being a racist because of one or more of your expressed views? Yeah, that's what it feels like.
I certainly don't mean most of the Left. Just that it's growing in that segment. And, I certainly don't mean you -- we're seeing most of the rise in European nations at present. Just as the Religious Right contain a faction that is antisemitic, so does the far Left.


Another major recent survey of public attitudes for CNN (https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2018/11/europe/antisemitism-poll-2018-intl/) found more than a fifth of the 7,000 people polled in seven countries believed Jewish people have too much influence in finance and politics, while 34% felt they knew little or nothing about the Holocaust – even if 32% still thought Jews exploited it to “advance their position”.
A combination of factors seem to be to blame. In the past two decades, antisemitic attacks in Europe have generally peaked in line with tensions in the Middle East. “They were essentially the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, imported,” said Marc Knobel, a historian at the Crif umbrella group for France’s Jewish organisations. “Rather than attacking Israelis, people went for Jews.”


https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/feb/15/antisemitism-rising-sharply-across-europe-latest-figures-show

[midcan5]

There are good people on both sides, don't you guys listen to your President? I mean some drive cars into people and others shout antisemitic chants, but hey they may like their mommy or something. You know good guys.


"Mass movements can rise and spread without belief in a God, but never without belief in a devil. Usually the strength of a mass movement is proportionate to the vividness and tangibility of its devil. Like an ideal deity, an ideal devil is omnipotent and omnipresent." Eric Hoffer

[Common]

There is no doubting that antisemetism in America and Europe has risen dramatically with the anti israel rhetoric from the left.

[FindersKeepers]

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"Mass movements can rise and spread without belief in a God, but never without belief in a devil. Usually the strength of a mass movement is proportionate to the vividness and tangibility of its devil. Like an ideal deity, an ideal devil is omnipotent and omnipresent." Eric Hoffer


Complete BS.

Tell that to the 200 million people killed in the past century at the hands of secular communism. Hoffer is an ij.

[MisterVeritis]

I can't wait for someone to tell us that the tiki torch crew chanting "blood and soil" and "the Jews will not replace us" in Charlottesville were liberals.
What were they?

They sounded like any other aggrieved minority. Isn't that your team's calling card?

[MisterVeritis]

There is no doubting that antisemetism in America and Europe has risen dramatically with the anti israel rhetoric from the left.
As we continue to allow Muslims in we will see a rise in Jew-hating. We have Islamist antisemites in the House today. They are all Democrats. It fits, doesn't it? Democrats are the party of slavery, of racism, of Jim Crow laws, and the party of Islam.

[MisterVeritis]

There are good people on both sides, don't you guys listen to your President? I mean some drive cars into people and others shout antisemitic chants, but hey they may like their mommy or something. You know good guys.

Why do you spread the lie? By now, even you know the truth.

[MMC]

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Damn and all these leftist sources are even reporting on the matter and the Cult of leftness still denies reality. Imagine that.

[Tahuyaman]

There are good people on both sides, don't you guys listen to your President? I mean some drive cars into people and others shout antisemitic chants, but hey they may like their mommy or something. You know good guys.


"Mass movements can rise and spread without belief in a God, but never without belief in a devil. Usually the strength of a mass movement is proportionate to the vividness and tangibility of its devil. Like an ideal deity, an ideal devil is omnipotent and omnipresent." Eric Hoffer
Try to stay on topic. I know it's tough when you're dealing with a severe case of TDS.

[Common Sense]

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Damn and all these leftist sources are even reporting on the matter and the Cult of leftness still denies reality. Imagine that.

No one is doubting that anti semitism is on the rise, but the idea that it's coming solely from the left is false. In fact, your first link mentioned how many of the anti Semitic threats and insults against the person they interviewed came from Trump supporters.

Some of your other links links also talk about how the rise of far right groups have coincided with a rise in anti semitism.

[Mister D]

In 2018, ADL counted 1,066 cases of harassment, defined as a situation in which a Jewish person or group of people “feel harassed by the perceived anti-Semitic words, spoken or written, or actions of another person or group.”

Yeah, take it with a grain of kosher salt.

[MMC]

No one is doubting that anti semitism is on the rise, but the idea that it's coming solely from the left is false. In fact, your first link mentioned how many of the anti Semitic threats and insults against the person they interviewed came from Trump supporters.

Some of your other links links also talk about how the rise of far right groups have coincided with a rise in anti semitism.

And yet those Far Right groups are criticized and condemned each and every time they come out with their hate Speak.


Not so much when the Leftness jumps on that bandwagon. Of course that was Commons thought on the matter and not what his link was saying. It talked about the increase in Anti Semitism.


But I am sure if Common had rephrased his thought about the increase. Most of you leftists would have tried to deny that reality.

[Mister D]

Frankly, if I were a Jew I would be far more alarmed by a Somali savage in Congress ranting about Jewish money than by a handful of kooks marching with tiki torches.

[MisterVeritis]

No one is doubting that anti semitism is on the rise, but the idea that it's coming solely from the left is false. In fact, your first link mentioned how many of the anti Semitic threats and insults against the person they interviewed came from Trump supporters.
This is a profound misunderstanding.

"Many came from people claiming to be Donald Trump supporters."

Some of your other links links also talk about how the rise of far right groups have coincided with a rise in anti semitism.
Do you have any evidence, not speculation, evidence, that actual Trump supporters are anti-semitic? Leftists lie.

[Tahuyaman]

No one is doubting that anti semitism is on the rise, but the idea that it's coming solely from the left is false. In fact, your first link mentioned how many of the anti Semitic threats and insults against the person they interviewed came from Trump supporters...

The latest one came from a Trump hater.


Antisemitism lives on the right and the left. Even so called centrists can be Antisemites.

[MMC]

The latest one came from a Trump hater.

Antisemitism lives on the right and the left. Even so called centrists can be Antisemites.


When was the last time we had an Antisemite in Congress tho?

[Tahuyaman]

When was the last time we had an Antisemite in Congress tho?

I would imagine that there have been many. They just kept it hidden.

[Standing Wolf]

And yet those Far Right groups are criticized and condemned each and every time they come out with their hate Speak.


Not so much when the Leftness jumps on that bandwagon. Of course that was Commons thought on the matter and not what his link was saying. It talked about the increase in Anti Semitism.


But I am sure if Common had rephrased his thought about the increase. Most of you leftists would have tried to deny that reality.

The Right Wing White Nationalist hate groups and neo-Nazis condemn Jews for being Jews. Liberals criticize the political state of Israel for its territorial incursions, its failure to abide by international law, its blatant and illegal colonization of occupied territories, and its human rights abuses in the West Bank and elsewhere. If you are honestly unable to differentiate the two views, I can't help you and I strongly suspect that no one can.

The political state of Israel and its supporters in this country are adept at playing the Religion Card. As I've said before, if the populations were reversed and it was a nation of White Europeans and their descendants being subjugated and abused by dark-skinned people, the U.S. would have gone to war in the Middle East at least forty years ago.

[MMC]

I would imagine that there have been many. They just kept it hidden.

Well we know the Demos had their Klucker Byrd. But even he didn't run around talking shit about the Jews. Plus he even became the Senate Leader.


Note the leftness isn't concerned about any rise in Antisemitism. Their only Concern is how to hide that rise with the leftness. How to gloss it over. How they can use the lame excuse of Identity politics.

[MMC]

The Right Wing White Nationalist hate groups and neo-Nazis condemn Jews for being Jews. Liberals criticize the political state of Israel for its territorial incursions, its failure to abide by international law, its blatant and illegal colonization of occupied territories, and its human rights abuses in the West Bank and elsewhere. If you are honestly unable to differentiate the two views, I can't help you and I strongly suspect that no one can.



Ilan Omar wasn't criticizing the Political State of Israel talking about American Jews. I can't help it if you couldn't figure that out. Despite American Jews not having anything to do with Israel and its policies.

[Tahuyaman]

Well we know the Demos had their Klucker Byrd. But even he didn't run around talking $#@! about the Jews. Plus he even became the Senate Leader.


Note the leftness isn't concerned about any rise in Antisemitism. Their only Concern is how to hide that rise with the leftness. How to gloss it over. How they can use the lame excuse of Identity politics.
They cammoflage their Antisemitism by claiming they are just not Israel's lap dog. When in actuality is has very little to nothing to do with Israel.

[countryboy]

The Right Wing White Nationalist hate groups and neo-Nazis condemn Jews for being Jews. Liberals criticize the political state of Israel for its territorial incursions, its failure to abide by international law, its blatant and illegal colonization of occupied territories, and its human rights abuses in the West Bank and elsewhere. If you are honestly unable to differentiate the two views, I can't help you and I strongly suspect that no one can.

That is correct, anti-semitic leftist loons do hide behind that false narrative. That doesn't make them any less of a Jew hater than your average storm fronter. The guy that just shot up the synagogue in Poway, was an anti Trump California college student, who was on the Dean's List. What are the chances of him being a far right winger? Slim, or none? Oh, and let's not forget the hitleresque anti-jewish cartoon published by the New York Times, and fully endorsed by Standing Wolf.

[ripmeister]

Ilan Omar wasn't criticizing the Political State of Israel talking about American Jews. I can't help it if you couldn't figure that out. Despite American Jews not having anything to do with Israel and its policies.

Your last sentence is incorrect. There is a strong pro Israel lobby based in the American Jewish community

[Standing Wolf]

They cammoflage their Antisemitism by claiming they are just not Israel's lap dog. When in actuality is has very little to nothing to do with Israel.

It has everything to do with Israel.

When you speak against illegal immigration and someone plays the Race Card and accuses you of being a racist, do you take the accusation seriously?

Why, then, should critics of Israel consider accusations of Antisemitism to be anything but the childish, intellectually lazy taunts of people playing the Religion Card?

[MisterVeritis]

The Right Wing White Nationalist hate groups and neo-Nazis condemn Jews for being Jews. Liberals criticize the political state of Israel for its territorial incursions, its failure to abide by international law, its blatant and illegal colonization of occupied territories, and its human rights abuses in the West Bank and elsewhere. If you are honestly unable to differentiate the two views, I can't help you and I strongly suspect that no one can.
"White nationalism is a type of nationalism or pan-nationalism which espouses the belief that white people are a race[1] and seeks to develop and maintain a white national identity.[2][3][4] Its proponents identify with and are attached to the concept of a white nation.[5] White nationalists say they seek to ensure the survival of the white race, and the cultures of historically white states. They hold that white people should maintain their majority in majority-white countries, maintain their political and economic dominance, and that their cultures should be foremost."

Do you, like Safety, believe the US Federal policy should be to make this majority white nation a minority white nation?

Many liberals are anti-semites and pretend they are concerned about what Israel is doing. Only you know for sure if my observation applies to you.

"Most white nationalists define white people in a restricted way. In the United States, it often—though not exclusively—implies European ancestry of non-Jewish descent.[citation needed] Some white nationalists draw on 19th-century racial taxonomy. White nationalist Jared Taylor has argued that Jews can be considered "white", although this is controversial within white nationalist circles.[21] Many white nationalists oppose Israel and Zionism, while some, such as William Daniel Johnson and Taylor, have expressed support for Israel and have drawn parallels between their ideology and Zionism."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_nationalism

It seems that even among white nationalists people are people. Some are antisemites. Others are not.

[MMC]

They cammoflage their Antisemitism by claiming they are just not Israel's lap dog. When in actuality is has very little to nothing to do with Israel.

Its the Same thing when it comes Christians.

[Standing Wolf]

That is correct, anti-semitic leftist loons do hide behind that false narrative. That doesn't make them any less of a Jew hater than your average storm fronter. The guy that just shot up the synagogue in Poway, was an anti Trump California college student, who was on the Dean's List. What are the chances of him being a far right winger? Slim, or none? Oh, and let's not forget the hitleresque anti-jewish cartoon published by the New York Times, and fully endorsed by Standing Wolf.

Explain, if you're able to and want to give it a shot. "Hitleresque"? "anti-Jewish"? Nonsense.

[MisterVeritis]

Your last sentence is incorrect. There is a strong pro Israel lobby based in the American Jewish community
I am strongly pro-Israel. Therefore what?

[MMC]

Your last sentence is incorrect. There is a strong pro Israel lobby based in the American Jewish community

They don't make policy in Israel. They might support it. But they aren't crafting any policy. So no it is not incorrect.

Unless you can show me American Jews crafting Israel legislation.

[ripmeister]

I am strongly pro-Israel. Therefore what?

Good for you.

[Tahuyaman]

It has everything to do with Israel.

When you speak against illegal immigration and someone plays the Race Card and accuses you of being a racist, do you take the accusation seriously?

Why, then, should critics of Israel consider accusations of Antisemitism to be anything but the childish, intellectually lazy taunts of people playing the Religion Card?

Antisemitism is acceptable if one can portray it as simply being anti Israel.

[ripmeister]

They don't make policy in Israel. They might support it. But they aren't crafting any policy. So no it is not incorrect.

Unless you can show me American Jews crafting Israel legislation.

They affect US policy toward Israel which in turn has some effect on Israeli policy. I'm not saying it's good or bad. Just challenging your assertion that American Jews play no role in the Israeli debate.

[Tahuyaman]

Its the Same thing when it comes Christians.
Antisemites are often anti Christian too.

[MMC]

Explain, if you're able to and want to give it a shot. "Hitleresque"? "anti-Jewish"? Nonsense.

Here is one for you if the NY Slimes didn't publish a anti-Semitic cartoon. Why are they apologizing for it, again?


NYT Editor’s Note Apologizes For ‘Anti-Semitic’ Cartoon Of ... (https://dailycaller.com/2019/04/27/new-york-times-anti-semitic-trump-netanyahu/)https://dailycaller.com/2019/04/27/new-york-times-anti-semitic...
3 days ago · The New York Times will issue an editor’s note in the international edition of its Monday paper that will take responsibility for an “anti-Semitic” cartoon of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and President Donald Trump.

[Standing Wolf]

Antisemitism is acceptable if one can portray it as simply being anti Israel.

Racial bigotry is acceptable if one can portray it as simply being supportive of police officers or as concern for the security of our southern border.

[roadmaster]

fake hate crimes . org has many crimes that the ADL refuses to take off of their numbers as so called hate crimes. They are a left group and even though they know it was fake they refuse to not count them. It's a known fact that Christians are the biggest targets.

[Tahuyaman]

Racial bigotry is acceptable if one can portray it as simply being supportive of police officers or as concern for the security of our southern border.
Nice diversion. It's not working though.

[Standing Wolf]

Here is one for you if the NY Slimes didn't publish a anti-Semitic cartoon. Why are they apologizing for it, again?


NYT Editor’s Note Apologizes For ‘Anti-Semitic’ Cartoon Of ... (https://dailycaller.com/2019/04/27/new-york-times-anti-semitic-trump-netanyahu/)

https://dailycaller.com/2019/04/27/new-york-times-anti-semitic...
3 days ago · The New York Times will issue an editor’s note in the international edition of its Monday paper that will take responsibility for an “anti-Semitic” cartoon of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and President Donald Trump.

Why does any business ever apologize for something that didn't need to be apologized for? $$$

[MMC]

They affect US policy toward Israel which in turn has some effect on Israeli policy. I'm not saying it's good or bad. Just challenging your assertion that American Jews play no role in the Israeli debate.


They still aren't crafting Legislation in Israel. US Policy towards Iran has some effect on Iranian policy. See how that works.

[MisterVeritis]

It has everything to do with Israel.

When you speak against illegal immigration and someone plays the Race Card and accuses you of being a racist, do you take the accusation seriously?

Why, then, should critics of Israel consider accusations of Antisemitism to be anything but the childish, intellectually lazy taunts of people playing the Religion Card?
Why do you care about what Israel does?

[Standing Wolf]

Nice diversion. It's not working though.

Not a diversion - just a very apt analogy.

[MMC]

Why does any business ever apologize for something that didn't need to be apologized for? $$$

New York Times publishes ANOTHER 'anti-Semitic' cartoon ... (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8960703/new-york-times-latest-antisemitic-cartoon/)
https://www.thesun.co.uk/.../new-york-times-latest-antisemitic-cartoon
New York Times publishes ANOTHER ‘anti-Semitic’ cartoon just days after sketch of Trump and Israel’s PM sparks outrage The latest caricature of Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu has been widely …


I guess when getting caught twice. They are left with no choice, huh? Guess the Leftist publication couldn't find legitimate excuses for their fuckup times 2.

[MisterVeritis]

You: There is a strong pro Israel lobby based in the American Jewish community

Me: I am strongly pro-Israel. Therefore what?

Good for you.
I suspected you were running on empty.

[roadmaster]

Here is one for you if the NY Slimes didn't publish a anti-Semitic cartoon. Why are they apologizing for it, again?


NYT Editor’s Note Apologizes For ‘Anti-Semitic’ Cartoon Of ... (https://dailycaller.com/2019/04/27/new-york-times-anti-semitic-trump-netanyahu/)

https://dailycaller.com/2019/04/27/new-york-times-anti-semitic...
3 days ago · The New York Times will issue an editor’s note in the international edition of its Monday paper that will take responsibility for an “anti-Semitic” cartoon of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and President Donald Trump.

Why would the times have to apologize when everything that comes from them is anti Christian and no one yells about it. Are you looking for special rights for one and not others.

[Tahuyaman]

Not a diversion - just a very apt analogy.
The police thing is a non starter and securing the border is not to keep people out based on their race.

[ripmeister]

you: there is a strong pro israel lobby based in the american jewish community

me: I am strongly pro-israel. Therefore what?

i suspected you were running on empty.

lol

[Tahuyaman]

Why does any business ever apologize for something that didn't need to be apologized for? $$$
When you continually anger a large percentage of your customer base, it generally doesn't translate to staying in business.

[Standing Wolf]

The police thing is a non starter and securing the border is not to keep people out based on their race.

Oh, but yes it is. People who want to build a wall, people who want to halt immigration, legal or illegal, people who advocate sending troops to the border - racists, trying to disguise their racism with a cover story about "national security". (I don't really believe this, by the way, as anyone who is familiar with my own views on illegal immigration will know...but it is exactly the kind of arrogant presumption that you and others have put on display in this and countless other threads with regard to the alleged "anti-Semitism" of critics of the political state of Israel. You label and insult because you're incapable of balanced, objective thought on the topic.)

[MMC]

Why would the times have to apologize when everything that comes from them is anti Christian and no one yells about it. Are you looking for special rights for one and not others.


Its the Same thing when it comes Christians.


Post 46. Just sayin.

[MMC]

Oh, but yes it is. People who want to build a wall, people who want to halt immigration, legal or illegal, people who advocate sending troops to the border - racists, trying to disguise their racism with a cover story about "national security". (I don't really believe this, by the way, as anyone who is familiar with my own views on illegal immigration will know...but it is exactly the kind of arrogant presumption that you and others have put on display in this and countless other threads with regard to the alleged "anti-Semitism" of critics of the political state of Israel. You label and insult because you're incapable of balanced, objective thought on the topic.)

Anti Semitism is on the Rise. But you would try and have us believe that it isn't on the rise with the Left?

[Mister D]

Why do you care about what Israel does?
Good question.

[roadmaster]

Post 46. Just sayin. It's funny when the right supports the ADL that tried for three years to ban the Bible for hate speech, attacks white Christians openly and in courts. That fights against everything conservative, that claims you are racist for not wanting open borders, supports abortions to the last minute, sues states to take down every Christian symbol because it's offensive to them, says you are a bigot if you believe marriage is between a man and woman. The ADL manufactures hate crimes while they attack the right.

[ripmeister]

Good question.
Maybe because we give them a shit ton of money.

[Tahuyaman]

Oh, but yes it is. People who want to build a wall, people who want to halt immigration, legal or illegal, people who advocate sending troops to the border - racists, trying to disguise their racism with a cover story about "national security". (I don't really believe this, by the way, as anyone who is familiar with my own views on illegal immigration will know...but it is exactly the kind of arrogant presumption that you and others have put on display in this and countless other threads with regard to the alleged "anti-Semitism" of critics of the political state of Israel. You label and insult because you're incapable of balanced, objective thought on the topic.)
People want to control immigration. That's a prudent step.


I said that antisemitism is acceptable if it can be portrayed as simply resistence to the influence of Israel. That's accurate.

[Tahuyaman]

Maybe because we give them a $#@! ton of money.
Almost all of which is in the form of military aid.

[Mister D]

Maybe because we give them a $#@! ton of money.

We give a "shit ton of money" to a lot states and have for a very long time. Try again.

[roadmaster]

I am sure you didn't hear about this one on the news. Jessie has nothing on this one.


https://youtu.be/gqB3ldq_4i8

[Cotton1]

For the record I have no problem with most of the Jews :)

[Tahuyaman]

For the record I have no problem with most of the Jews :)
You probably have several Jewish friends, right?

[Cotton1]

You probably have several Jewish friends, right?

A few . I worked alongside them for most of my life. They were a true asset in the financial field (no pun intended) :)

[MMC]

It's funny when the right supports the ADL that tried for three years to ban the Bible for hate speech, attacks white Christians openly and in courts. That fights against everything conservative, that claims you are racist for not wanting open borders, supports abortions to the last minute, sues states to take down every Christian symbol because it's offensive to them, says you are a bigot if you believe marriage is between a man and woman. The ADL manufactures hate crimes while they attack the right.

So even when the ADL states that antisemitism is on the Rise. They aren't suppose to be believed. Why wouldn't we use leftist sources against the left? Its always good to use leftists sources against their own kind. Always!

Oh and CAIR/Muslim Brotherhood supports Terrorists along with the Palestinians. Note how that is okay with the leftness. Even accepting funding.

[ripmeister]

We give a "$#@! ton of money" to a lot states and have for a very long time. Try again.

Your point doesn't challenge my response as to why.

[Common Sense]

And yet those Far Right groups are criticized and condemned each and every time they come out with their hate Speak.


Not so much when the Leftness jumps on that bandwagon. Of course that was Commons thought on the matter and not what his link was saying. It talked about the increase in Anti Semitism.


But I am sure if Common had rephrased his thought about the increase. Most of you leftists would have tried to deny that reality.

No.

My issue with Common's post was his false allegation that the cause of the rise in Antisemitism is due to liberal rhetoric.

[Mister D]

Your point doesn't challenge my response as to why.

Your what?


Maybe because we give them a $#@! ton of money.

Again, giving a shit ton" of money isn't exclusive to Israel. Why do you care so much?

[MMC]

No.

My issue with Common's post was his false allegation that the cause of the rise in Antisemitism is due to liberal rhetoric.

Yes that is your issue....not the rise in Antisemitism coming from the left. Where it wasn't much on display before.

[alexa]

Yes that is your issue....not the rise in Antisemitism coming from the left. Where it wasn't much on display before.
Yes, those were all leftists chanting "Jews shall not replace us." at Chancellorsville in 2017.

[MMC]

Yes, those were all leftists chanting "Jews shall not replace us." at Chancellorsville in 2017.

Meh, you weren't sniveling when your kind had a Klucker leading the Senate. For years.

[Mister D]

No.

My issue with Common's post was his false allegation that the cause of the rise in Antisemitism is due to liberal rhetoric.
That's a lot more plausible than anti-Semites being "emboldened" by a staunch ally of Israel.

[NapRover]

I thank Obama for the anti-semitism, along with his zealous supporters.

[alexa]

Meh, you weren't sniveling when your kind had a Klucker leading the Senate. For years.

Whatabout is the best you've ever been able to do, isn't it?

lol

[ripmeister]

Your what?



Again, giving a $#@! ton" of money isn't exclusive to Israel. Why do you care so much?

I don't really. The question was asked why the US cares and it seems to me having a vested financial interest may be one reason.

[Mister D]

I don't really. The question was asked why the US cares and it seems to me having a vested financial interest may be one reason.

The question was why do "you" care. You isn't code for US. So you don't care? You're on record?

[MMC]

Whatabout is the best you've ever been able to do, isn't it?

lol


Well we can't grab that award for being the first and of course you should have the brain capacity to figure out we aren't big on the participation trophy.


Naturally your whataboutism is just a lame excuse to deny history.

[ripmeister]

The question was why do "you" care. You isn't code for US. So you don't care? You're on record?
You are right. The question was posed to Wolf. I interpreted it in a more global sense as to why people care and offered the financial assistance as one possible reason. I didn't express myself clearly.

[MisterVeritis]

You are right. The question was posed to Wolf. I interpreted it in a more global sense as to why people care and offered the financial assistance as one possible reason. I didn't express myself clearly.
I believe we agreed to pay both Egypt and Israel after one of the wars the Arabs started and Israel finished.

It is time to reconsider.

[BenjaminO]

As we continue to allow Muslims in we will see a rise in Jew-hating. We have Islamist antisemites in the House today. They are all Democrats. It fits, doesn't it? Democrats are the party of slavery, of racism, of Jim Crow laws, and the party of Islam.
People killing people because of religion.
Oh goodie, here we go again.

[BenjaminO]

The longest hatred: Anti-Semitism on the rise - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/anti-semitism-on-the-rise/)

https://www.cbsnews.com (http://www.cbsnews.com)/news/anti-semitism-on-the-rise
"Anti-Semitism has been rightfully called the longest hatred," said Deborah Lipstadt, professor of Holocaust studies at Emory University. "I would find its roots in the New Testament, in the story …



The threat of rising anti-Semitism - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46038438)

https://www.bbc.com (http://www.bbc.com)/news/world-us-canada-46038438
Nov 02, 2018 · Anti-Semitism on the rise. Anti-Semitic incidents increased 57% in the US in 2017 compared to the previous year, according to the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), with cases reported in



Anti-Semitic incidents on the rise in the US - CNN Video (https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/02/18/rise-in-anti-semitism-in-us-tuchman-ac360.cnn)

https://www.cnn.com (http://www.cnn.com)/videos/us/2017/02/18/rise-in-anti-semitism-in...
Feb 18, 2017 · Reports of anti-Semitic incidents across the US are being investigated by police and the FBI. The NYPD says the number of hate crimes against Jewish people has increased …



Anti-Semitic Incidents Surged 57 Percent in 2017, Report ... (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/27/us/anti-semitism-adl-report.html)

https://www.nytimes.com (http://www.nytimes.com)/2018/02/27/us/anti-semitism-adl-report.html
Feb 27, 2018 · The number of reported anti-Semitic incidents in the United States surged 57 percent in 2017, according to an annual report by the Anti-Defamation League. The organization’s Audit of Anti …



Pittsburgh synagogue shooting evidence of increased anti ... (https://abcnews.go.com/US/pittsburgh-synagogue-shooting-evidence-increased-anti-semitism-us/story?id=58825423)

https://abcnews.go.com/US/pittsburgh-synagogue-shooting-evidence...
Oct 29, 2018 · Pittsburgh synagogue shooting evidence of increased anti-Semitism in US: ADL Anti-Semitism has been trending upward in the U.S., studies show.



American anti-Semitism: It’s getting worse - The ... (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/opinions/wp/2018/10/27/american-anti-semitism-its-getting-worse/)

https://www.washingtonpost.com (http://www.washingtonpost.com)/news/opinions/wp/2018/10/27/...
Oct 27, 2018 · The United States is among the least anti-Semitic countries in the Diaspora, a far cry from much of Western Europe and the Middle East. ... the largest single-year increase on record and the …



Anti-Semitic Incidents Increased Drastically in 2016 ... (https://www.newsweek.com/anti-semitic-incidents-increased-drastically-2016-early-2017-adl-588901)

https://www.newsweek.com (http://www.newsweek.com)/anti-semitic-incidents-increased...
The number of anti-Semitic incidents reported in the United States rose significantly last year and increased even more drastically in the early part of this year, according to the Anti-Defamation …



Anti-Semitic Incidents See Largest Single-Year Increase On ... (https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/02/27/589119452/anti-semitic-incidents-see-largest-single-year-increase-on-record-audit-finds)

https://www.npr.org (http://www.npr.org)/sections/thetwo-way/2018/02/27/589119452/anti...
Feb 27, 2018 · The Anti-Defamation League has identified 1,986 anti-Semitic incidents in its 2017 Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents. That's up from 1,267 in 2016, marking the highest single-year increase …



Damn and all these leftist sources are even reporting on the matter and the Cult of leftness still denies reality. Imagine that.
More religious insanity. Dragging innocent people into their damn religious scraps that normal people want nothing to do with.

[Mister D]

More religious insanity. Dragging innocent people into their damn religious scraps that normal people want nothing to do with.
Normal people only want to get involved in the political and ethnic scraps that have caused exponentially more death and destruction. This is kiddie stuff, really.

[Mister D]

I believe we agreed to pay both Egypt and Israel after one of the wars the Arabs started and Israel finished.

It is time to reconsider.
I believe Egypt is in the top 5 overall and 2nd in military aid.

[MMC]

More religious insanity. Dragging innocent people into their damn religious scraps that normal people want nothing to do with.
Yeah its quite interesting how the majority of populations around the world are into the religious insanity that you talk about. You know....the normals.

[MisterVeritis]

As we continue to allow Muslims in we will see a rise in Jew-hating. We have Islamist antisemites in the House today. They are all Democrats. It fits, doesn't it? Democrats are the party of slavery, of racism, of Jim Crow laws, and the party of Islam.

People killing people because of religion.
Oh goodie, here we go again.
Do you believe people killing people has ever stopped?

The issue in my statement involved increasing the numbers of Jew-haters through the Democrat party's immigration laws. We bring in lots of Muslims. IslamoNazis are always to be found among them. Islam and the Democrat party both need reform to make them far less hostile to western culture and modernity.

[roadmaster]

While the majority of the Jewish people call us Nazis for not wanting to be flooded with Muslims. So how is it our fault they are being attacked. While they claim it's the white right that is the problem.

[BenjaminO]

Normal people only want to get involved in the political and ethnic scraps that have caused exponentially more death and destruction. This is kiddie stuff, really.
kiddie stuff that's getting innocent people killed over some damn religious fanatic trying to kill people of another religion for no other reason than their religion is not the same and they have been brainwashed into thinking they must kill each other.
Insanity pure and simple.

[Mister D]

kiddie stuff that's getting innocent people killed over some damn religious fanatic trying to kill people of another religion for no other reason than their religion is not the same and they have been brainwashed into thinking they must kill each other.
Insanity pure and simple.
Right. Killing innocent people for other reasons is so much better.

[roadmaster]

People on the right are hypocrites, on one side of their mouths they yell about communism and progressives, then they turn around and side with the communist ADL that are against everything on the right. How did the ADL become your friends? Next you will be defending Antifa. None of you have any common sense anymore. You seem to be blind. A lot of fake Christians on the right that want you to support people against you in this country.

[Tahuyaman]

Right. Killing innocent people for other reasons is so much better.

They're not as dead as those killed over religious differences.

[Tahuyaman]

People on the right are hypocrites, on one side of their mouths they yell about communism and progressives, then they turn around and side with the communist ADL that are against everything on the right. How did the ADL become your friends? Next you will be defending Antifa. None of you have any common sense anymore. You seem to be blind. A lot of fake Christians on the right that want you to support people against you in this country.

The ADL has taken some liberal positions, but I wouldn't call them communist, nor do they oppose everything from the right.

[roadmaster]

100's of people were just killed and they worry more about a sign or drawing than the lives of these people. They yell "we have to do something about this". It's their main subject. Don't look at how many times Christ is pictured in piss and feces, don't talk about the professors calling for Christian deaths, lets worry about a drawing on the street. Lets not talk about the pastors that get, killed, jailed, fined and even banned from countries for just preaching His word.

It's called why do the heathens rage, they get so angry when His truth is told and will do anything or change the subject to stop them.

[roadmaster]

The ADL has taken some liberal positions, but I wouldn't call them communist, nor do they oppose everything from the right.
Yes they are.

[Tahuyaman]

Yes they are.
If you truly believe they are a communist organization, there's nothing left to be said on this.

[roadmaster]

Across the country, many mayors have spoken out against discrimination and injustice when it has occurred and have undertaken efforts to build tolerance and understanding within their communities. In recent years, cities have undertaken efforts to integrate immigrants into their communities and have adopted a variety of policies to include fully and treat equitably their LGBT residents.
Today, however, we are being challenged again. Dark forces of extremism and violent bigotry are rearing their ugly heads. We are now seeing efforts in our states and at the highest levels of our government to weaken existing civil rights policies and reduce their enforcement. We have seen an increase in hate violence, xenophobic rhetoric, and discriminatory actions that target Muslims, Jews, and other minorities. We will not permit them to succeed. From the ADL fighting you white Trump supporters teaming up with mayors.


Now I know this thread didn't have xenophobic rhetoric did it. Should I alert them since you are on their side.

[roadmaster]

I can't wait for someone to tell us that the tiki torch crew chanting "blood and soil" and "the Jews will not replace us" in Charlottesville were liberals.
They were chanting
You will not replace us, it was a media lie. I watched it live.

[BenjaminO]

Yeah its quite interesting how the majority of populations around the world are into the religious insanity that you talk about. You know....the normals.
Majority or not they are the root cause of the major conflict between people right now.
And yes, killing in the name of any religion is insanity.
Are you one of the insane ones causing the needless bloodshed?
Anything else?

[BenjaminO]

As we continue to allow Muslims in we will see a rise in Jew-hating. We have Islamist antisemites in the House today. They are all Democrats. It fits, doesn't it? Democrats are the party of slavery, of racism, of Jim Crow laws, and the party of Islam.

Do you believe people killing people has ever stopped?

The issue in my statement involved increasing the numbers of Jew-haters through the Democrat party's immigration laws. We bring in lots of Muslims. IslamoNazis are always to be found among them. Islam and the Democrat party both need reform to make them far less hostile to western culture and modernity.
I believe history tells us that religion is responsible for many senseless deaths due to differing religious beliefs and stupid religious people.

[BenjaminO]

Right. Killing innocent people for other reasons is so much better.
Really??
Do explain as I have no idea what you are talking about.
Defend your comment.
Why is killing for other reasons better?

[MisterVeritis]

I believe history tells us that religion is responsible for many senseless deaths due to differing religious beliefs and stupid religious people.
Does history mention any other reasons why people kill one another?

[BenjaminO]

Does history mention any other reasons why people kill one another?
Of course. But unfortunately for you that does not diminish from my original statement.

[Tahuyaman]

Of course. But unfortunately for you that does not diminish from my original statement.

So, are you advocating a banning of religion?

[MisterVeritis]

Does history mention any other reasons why people kill one another?

Of course. But unfortunately for you that does not diminish from my original statement.
What are the top five reasons why one people kills another people? Do you know?

[MisterVeritis]

Does history mention any other reasons why people kill one another?

Of course. But unfortunately for you that does not diminish from my original statement.
Why is that unfortunate for me?

[BenjaminO]

So, are you advocating a banning of religion?
Not at all.
Wouldn't it be nice if they didn't feel a need to kill each other over their differences?

[BenjaminO]

Does history mention any other reasons why people kill one another?

What are the top five reasons why one people kills another people? Do you know?
No I don't know.
I bet that whatever the reasons are it doesn't change that many people have been killed because of religion.
So my original statement stands and I know that pisses you off.

[countryboy]

I believe history tells us that religion is responsible for many senseless deaths due to differing religious beliefs and stupid religious people.

Left wing ideology is responsible for far more deaths than religion, yet, you still support it. Does that make you culpable?

[Mister D]

Really??
Do explain as I have no idea what you are talking about.
Defend your comment.
Why is killing for other reasons better?

That's your belief. Not mine.

[Mister D]

No I don't know.
I bet that whatever the reasons are it doesn't change that many people have been killed because of religion.
So my original statement stands and I know that pisses you off.

Of course you don't. It was a rhetorical question.

He's an atheist.

[Mister D]

Left wing ideology is responsible for far more deaths than religion, yet, you still support it. Does that make you culpable?

Stalin killed more people in an afternoon than have died in this sandbox conflict during my lifetime.

[BenjaminO]

That's your belief. Not mine.
Really? When did I say that?
I didn't.
Now you have to make shit up to make a point?
How original.
Good grief.

[BenjaminO]

Of course you don't. It was a rhetorical question.

He's an atheist.
I don't give a damn what his religion or non religion is.
My original statement stands and you can't prove me wrong.
Many innocent people have been killed because of religion.

[MisterVeritis]

Does history mention any other reasons why people kill one another?

What are the top five reasons why one people kills another people? Do you know?

No I don't know.
I bet that whatever the reasons are it doesn't change that many people have been killed because of religion.
So my original statement stands and I know that pisses you off.
Why would it piss me off? I am trying to educate you.

Perhaps I aim too high.

[MisterVeritis]

Of course you don't. It was a rhetorical question.

He's an atheist.
...but a nice, unassuming atheist. :grin:

[BenjaminO]

Left wing ideology is responsible for far more deaths than religion, yet, you still support it. Does that make you culpable?
WTF are you talking about. I support left wing ideology?
I've got big money you can't back that up with any facts.
Why do you people need to create a strawman.
It must be frustrating to have to make up things others say or believe. Otherwise you've got nothing

[BenjaminO]

Does history mention any other reasons why people kill one another?

What are the top five reasons why one people kills another people? Do you know?

Why would it piss me off? I am trying to educate you.

Perhaps I aim too high.
Your qualifications as an educator fall short of my standards.
Being high has nothing to do with it.
But I implore you to enjoy the moment.

[MisterVeritis]

Your qualifications as an educator fall short of my standards.
Being high has nothing to do with it.
But I implore you to enjoy the moment.
Your response was goofy but not unexpected.

[donttread]

Anti Semitism is on the rise and its directly because of the rhetoric coming from the Liberal LEFT.





Violent attacks against the Jewish community in the United States doubled last year, while overall attacks that also include vandalism and harassment remained near record-high levels, the Anti-Defamation League reported Tuesday.

The Jewish civil rights group released its annual census of anti-Semitic incidents three days after a gunman opened fire at a Southern California synagogue (https://nypost.com/2019/04/28/synagogue-shooting-victim-was-a-founding-member-of-the-congregation/), killing a woman (https://nypost.com/2019/04/28/jewish-hero-killed-in-synagogue-shooting-took-bullet-to-save-her-rabbis-life/) and wounding a rabbi (https://nypost.com/2019/04/27/brave-rabbi-consoled-congregation-even-after-being-shot-in-the-hand/) and two others.


The New York-based group counted 1,879 anti-Semitic incidents — either harassment, vandalism or physical assault — in 2018. That is a 5% decrease from the 1,986 incidents reported in 2017, but the third-highest total since ADL began tracking the data in the 1970s. The 2017 number marked a 57% increase over 2016 and was the highest tally ADL had counted in more than two decades.


ADL counted 39 cases of physical assaults involving 59 victims in 2018, up from 19 assaults and 21 victims in 2017. The 2018 tally includes the 11 people who were killed and two congregants wounded when a gunman opened fire at the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh in October. It was the deadliest attack on Jews in the nation’s history.


https://nypost.com/2019/04/30/anti-semitic-assaults-in-us-doubled-in-2018-report-says/

The Jewish community should arm themselves. Sometimes assaults drop off when a couple of thugs get shot. It has worked before with women in high rape areas. The key is don't just buy the gun, know how to use it well.

[Tahuyaman]

Not at all.
Wouldn't it be nice if they didn't feel a need to kill each other over their differences?


It would be wonderful if we lived in a perfect world.

[countryboy]

WTF are you talking about. I support left wing ideology?
I've got big money you can't back that up with any facts.
Why do you people need to create a strawman.
It must be frustrating to have to make up things others say or believe. Otherwise you've got nothing

Well, your posts certainly indicate that you are a left winger. Is that not the case? Are you a conservative? Not on this planet you're not.

[Mister D]

I don't give a damn what his religion or non religion is.
My original statement stands and you can't prove me wrong.
Many innocent people have been killed because of religion.

Your original statement was reduced to insignificance.

[Mister D]

WTF are you talking about. I support left wing ideology?
I've got big money you can't back that up with any facts.
Why do you people need to create a strawman.
It must be frustrating to have to make up things others say or believe. Otherwise you've got nothing

Raging Kook would be a fitting handle.

[BenjaminO]

Well, your posts certainly indicate that you are a left winger. Is that not the case? Are you a conservative? Not on this planet you're not.
So my choices are "left winger" or a "conservative"...
Really? Really?
Sheeeeesh

[countryboy]

So my choices are "left winger" or a "conservative"...
Really? Really?
Sheeeeesh

Oh, wait, you're an "independent", right? Lol, yeah, independently left wing.

[Captdon]

Horsesh*t.

The political state of Israel, along with its leaders and military, are fair game for criticism, just like any other entity on the planet.

Playing the Religion Card is just cheap, lazy and shallow. And the NYT cartoon was right on and should not have generated an apology.

Anti-Semitism isn't about Israel. It is about Jews. Thought someone should tell you that.

[Captdon]

Of course...the Palestinians hate the Israeli government that has occupied the West Bank for more than half a century and permitted hundreds of illegal settlements there, while destroying farms, orchards, wells, roads and water sources in an attempt to drive out the people who have dwelt there for hundreds of years, because they're Jews. :rollseyes:

I've been studying the matter for almost forty years, FK. I haven't been "spoon fed" anything.

Anti-Semitism is not about Israel. That's the excuse you liberals always use What is happening here is about Jews not Israel. I've seen it far longer than you and time doesn't change anything about Anti-Semitics. They are what they are but use Israel as an excuse. It's shameful to defend that as it is to defend racism.

[BenjaminO]

Your original statement was reduced to insignificance.
Your concession is noted.

[Captdon]

I can't wait for someone to tell us that the tiki torch crew chanting "blood and soil" and "the Jews will not replace us" in Charlottesville were liberals.

You support anti-Semiticm, do you? Charlotte has nothing to do with this. It is poor example out of hundred.

[Captdon]

I would imagine that there have been many. They just kept it hidden.

Ridiculous.

[Captdon]

The Right Wing White Nationalist hate groups and neo-Nazis condemn Jews for being Jews. Liberals criticize the political state of Israel for its territorial incursions, its failure to abide by international law, its blatant and illegal colonization of occupied territories, and its human rights abuses in the West Bank and elsewhere. If you are honestly unable to differentiate the two views, I can't help you and I strongly suspect that no one can.

The political state of Israel and its supporters in this country are adept at playing the Religion Card. As I've said before, if the populations were reversed and it was a nation of White Europeans and their descendants being subjugated and abused by dark-skinned people, the U.S. would have gone to war in the Middle East at least forty years ago.

This is a cover up and not a good one.

[Captdon]

It has everything to do with Israel.

When you speak against illegal immigration and someone plays the Race Card and accuses you of being a racist, do you take the accusation seriously?

Why, then, should critics of Israel consider accusations of Antisemitism to be anything but the childish, intellectually lazy taunts of people playing the Religion Card?

Say it often enough someone may believe it. Not me. I have an IQ with three numbers in it.

[Mister D]

Your concession is noted.

Sure, lefty.

[BenjaminO]

Oh, wait, you're an "independent", right? Lol, yeah, independently left wing.
Well you tried "left winger" or a "conservative" and now have added "independent" and "independently left wing".
Is it really important in your world to have a label for everyone?
It's quite childish as far as I'm concerned.
Did you have relative input to the subject at hand?

[Captdon]

Why would the times have to apologize when everything that comes from them is anti Christian and no one yells about it. Are you looking for special rights for one and not others.

The subject is anti-Semitism. I know that didn't escape you. Start your own thread.

Jews are not asking for special rights.

[Mister D]

Well you tried "left winger" or a "conservative" and now have added "independent" and "independently left wing".
Is it really important in your world to have a label for everyone?
It's quite childish as far as I'm concerned.
Did you have relative input to the subject at hand?

That was sarcasm, benny.

[Captdon]

Oh, but yes it is. People who want to build a wall, people who want to halt immigration, legal or illegal, people who advocate sending troops to the border - racists, trying to disguise their racism with a cover story about "national security". (I don't really believe this, by the way, as anyone who is familiar with my own views on illegal immigration will know...but it is exactly the kind of arrogant presumption that you and others have put on display in this and countless other threads with regard to the alleged "anti-Semitism" of critics of the political state of Israel. You label and insult because you're incapable of balanced, objective thought on the topic.)

Nonsense. The wall is to keep everyone out. It has nothing to do with defending anti-Semitism. Slip sliding away doesn't fool anyone but the idiots.

[Tahuyaman]

Ridiculous.

You really don't believe that we have had anti Semites in government, but kept it hidden?

[Captdon]

People want to control immigration. That's a prudent step.


I said that antisemitism is acceptable if it can be portrayed as simply resistence to the influence of Israel. That's accurate.

Anti-Semitism can be defended? You a serious nit.

[Tahuyaman]

Anti-Semitism can be defended? You a serious nit.
As I said. With some, anti semitism is acceptable as long as it's portrayed as opposition to Israel.

Think, don't just go off in a knee-jerk manner.

[Captdon]

People on the right are hypocrites, on one side of their mouths they yell about communism and progressives, then they turn around and side with the communist ADL that are against everything on the right. How did the ADL become your friends? Next you will be defending Antifa. None of you have any common sense anymore. You seem to be blind. A lot of fake Christians on the right that want you to support people against you in this country.

You're one step from the line. It must be killing you.

[Captdon]

Majority or not they are the root cause of the major conflict between people right now.
And yes, killing in the name of any religion is insanity.
Are you one of the insane ones causing the needless bloodshed?
Anything else?

Yes, you're full of shit.

[Captdon]

Oh, wait, you're an "independent", right? Lol, yeah, independently left wing.

Everyone here is an independent. Not a D or R anyplace.

[countryboy]

Well you tried "left winger" or a "conservative" and now have added "independent" and "independently left wing".
Is it really important in your world to have a label for everyone?
It's quite childish as far as I'm concerned.
Did you have relative input to the subject at hand?
Your ideology is glaringly apparent in your posts. Not sure why you wish to obfuscate what is obvious to even the casual observer. Carry on, lefty.

[Captdon]

You really don't believe that we have had anti Semites in government, but kept it hidden?

No. Did misread what you said? If so, I apologize.

[Ethereal]

On average, Jewish Americans are significantly wealthier and more secure than virtually all other demographics in the country.

1,879 "antisemitic" incidents out of a population of 320 million is statistically insignificant.

Clearly, the US is one of the safest places in the world for Jews to live, so forgive me if I don't really care about the ADL's endless fear-mongering over "antisemitism" in the west, however they're defining it.

As for the OP's claim that the "left" is responsible for the tiny fluctuation in this statistically insignificant metric... I believe that can be filed under the heading of silly hyper-partisan drivel.

[Ethereal]

Antisemitism is rising on the Left. It has been for over a decade now as the Left has sought to demonize Jews, via false accusations against Israel.

Criticisms of Israel are not antisemitic.


The average leftist thinks they're supporting the poor Palestinians against a domineering Israel, but nothing could be further from the truth. The attacks on Israel are not political in nature -- they're religious -- and they seek the ultimate goal of dismantling the nation. Very few leftists take the time to do the research necessary to determine whether the accusations are true or false -- they'd rather just obediently swallow the BS being spoon fed them.

Of course, there is another (albeit very small) antisemitic faction on the far Right but it hasn't been gathering steam of late. What we're seeing now from the Left is a direct result of Obama's failed foreign policies. And the hateful sentiment is jumping from the nation of Israel to Jewish people everywhere.

The last vestiges of real "antisemitism" in the west can be found almost exclusively among rightist movements.

And among leftist movements, Jews tend to represent a significant percentage of their leadership and membership.

Given this, I'm not sure how persuasive actual Jews will find your argument.

[Ethereal]

Horsesh*t.

The political state of Israel, along with its leaders and military, are fair game for criticism, just like any other entity on the planet.

Playing the Religion Card is just cheap, lazy and shallow. And the NYT cartoon was right on and should not have generated an apology.
They should have apologized for their inaccurate depiction of Trump's relationship to Netanyahu.

Clearly, Trump is the one on the leash.

[Tahuyaman]

Nothing exposes stupidity more than a discussion of Israel and anti semitism.

[Ethereal]

Unfortunately, we can't really remove the religion card from the mix. A good deal of the reason the Arab states despise Israel is based on hundreds of years of Jewish/Islamic religious conflict, and one of the main reasons Leftists have turned against Israel is because the Religious Right proffers undying support for the nation -- and the RR's support is also based on religion.

We're seeing fallout from the old adage "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." When the Left bolstered the enemies of Israel, they did two things, 1) They emboldened said "enemies," which is apparent in the propaganda tactics used, and 2) They opened the lid of Pandora's antisemitism box -- a box we worked so long and hard to close.

I know this isn't a thread on Israel, but the growing antisemitism didn't happen overnight, and it didn't happen in a vacuum.

Religion plays a major role here.

So, Jews belong to a religion? Doesn't that make being a Jew a choice, like being a Christian or a Muslim?

[Ethereal]

It is possible to study a thing from a single point of view and, as a result, to have missed other very valid points of view.

What's happening here (in my opinion) is a leftist move to gloss over the intent of the Arab states - don't forget which nations amassed on Israel's borders in 67. I don't think most leftists have a clue as to why many of the one-state and two-state propositions have failed. Most leftists don't realize the one thing the Palestinians always demand is the Right of Return, but if that ever happens -- it's a death sentence for Israel.

There's no legitimate reason to go back to the pre-67 borders -- that land was taken in a defensive war by Israel and it offers a protective buffer from some very violent Arab states.

What we need to do (as an international effort) is relocate the Gazans to other areas in the Arab world, and we need to ensure they get a good start at a new life there. But, we cannot, in good conscience, support the proposals negotiated by the Left and by the Arab states that demand a Right of Return -- because we're effectively terminating the Jewish people in Israel if we do.
Isn't it interesting how virtually all pro-Israel narratives start AFTER Zionists invaded and drove out the majority Arab population living on what is now Israeli territory?

[Ethereal]

Now, you address the growing antisemitism coming from the Left.
Simple.

There is no growing antisemitism among leftist movements.

[Ethereal]

There is no doubting that antisemetism in America and Europe has risen dramatically with the anti israel rhetoric from the left.

"Risen dramatically"

I can see statistical analysis is not one of your strengths.

[Ethereal]

No one is doubting that anti semitism is on the rise...

I'm doubting it.

First, how are we defining "antisemitism"? According to some, any criticism of a Jew or Israel is antisemitic.

Secondly, rising over what time frame? Year-to-year fluctuations could just be random.

Thirdly, rising relative to what? A statistically insignificant amount of incidents? Did you know that when a bum finds a twenty dollar bill on the ground, his net worth increases by 2000% in just one second!

I reminded of the saying: There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.

[MisterVeritis]

Everyone here is an independent. Not a D or R anyplace.
Except, perhaps, me.

[MisterVeritis]

Not at all.
Wouldn't it be nice if they didn't feel a need to kill each other over their differences?
Why yes, yes, it would be nice.

[MisterVeritis]

Your original statement was reduced to insignificance.

Your concession is noted.
I love your sense of humor.

[Ethereal]

Frankly, if I were a Jew I would be far more alarmed by a Somali savage in Congress ranting about Jewish money than by a handful of kooks marching with tiki torches.
She didn't say anything about "Jewish money". She said AIPAC uses money to influence US politics. And she is 100% right.

[testsubjectalpha]

The NY Times is publishing anti Jewish cartoons. They are taking a page out of Hitler's playbook. It's true, the NY Times is a Facist propaganda newspaper now. It actually has been for years but now they are desperate since they've been proven untruthful and extremely biased. And worse yet for journalism, suggestive without merit and malice.





I'm doubting it.

First, how are we defining "antisemitism"? According to some, any criticism of a Jew or Israel is antisemitic.

Secondly, rising over what time frame? Year-to-year fluctuations could just be random.

Thirdly, rising relative to what? A statistically insignificant amount of incidents? Did you know that when a bum finds a twenty dollar bill on the ground, his net worth increases by 2000% in just one second!

I reminded of the saying: There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.

[MisterVeritis]

Isn't it interesting how virtually all pro-Israel narratives start AFTER Zionists invaded and drove out the majority Arab population living on what is now Israeli territory?
It is almost as if no wars were started by Arabs.

[Mister D]

She didn't say anything about "Jewish money". She said AIPAC uses money to influence US politics. And she is 100% right.

Money influencing US politics? The hell you say!

That a freshman Congressman is ranting about Israel would sure as hell concern me.

[Ethereal]

Good question.

Maybe because the relationship between the US and Israel has a significant impact on the country and the world - just a guess.

[Tahuyaman]

Nothing exposes stupidity more than a discussion of Israel and anti semitism.
I needed to bump that just to reenforce the point.

[Mister D]

Maybe because the relationship between the US and Israel has a significant impact on the country and the world - just a guess.

A poor one but is that why you care so much about what Israel does?

[Tahuyaman]

Money influencing US politics? The hell you say!

That a freshman Congressman is ranting about Israel would sure as hell concern me.

Isn't it the goal of political action committee's on all sides to influence policy or is this exclusive to a PAC with respect to foreign policy concerning Israel?

[Ethereal]

Money influencing US politics? The hell you say!

If that fact is so obvious, then why are some people so desperate to controversialize it?


That a freshman Congressman is ranting about Israel would sure as hell concern me.

Stating a basic fact about Israel = ranting

Okay.

[Mister D]

I'm curious: exactly what impact does our relationship with Israel have on our country?

[Ethereal]

A poor one...

How so? Do you have a better guess?


...but is that why you care so much about what Israel does?

What other reason would there be?

[Mister D]

If that fact is so obvious, then why are some people so desperate to controversialize it?



Stating a basic fact about Israel = ranting

Okay.

Ask the Jews. My guess is that they understood Jewish lobby groups were being singled out as quintessential examples of money corrupting politics.

What basic fact about Israel?

[Mister D]

How so? Do you have a better guess?



What other reason would there be?

The man I asked said he doesn't really care. You sure do. Why?

I was hoping for a better one because even on your terms it's not a big deal. You spend much of your time attacking the US government's behavior across the globe but somehow little Israel leads Trump by the nose and dictates our policy? If not, why does Israel loom so large on your imagination?

[roadmaster]

So, Jews belong to a religion? Doesn't that make being a Jew a choice, like being a Christian or a Muslim?
Of course the Jewish are a religion. It's like they say it's the secular ones who puts targets on them and I agree. The very few things I have in common with the Jewish and Muslims that are religious is that I am against Zionism and the state of Israel. Grant it for different reasons. The ones I can't really stand are the ones who claim to be Christian Zionist. They lie about the Bible.

[testsubjectalpha]

Mister D, what impact does radical Islam have on Western society. From the Halls of Montezuma and the Shores of Tripoli. Never celebrate a thief. Cherish a friend.



I'm curious: exactly what impact does our relationship with Israel have on our country?

[Ethereal]

Ask the Jews.

You're the one who tried to make a basic fact seem controversial, so I'm asking you.

And what does "ask the Jews" even mean? How would I go about that? Do "the Jews" have an information desk somewhere?


My guess is that they understood Jewish lobby groups were being singled out as quintessential examples of money corrupting politics.

How were they singled out?


What basic fact about Israel?

That their US lobby uses money to influence politics.

[Ethereal]

The man I asked said he doesn't really care. You sure do. Why?

I already told you.


I was hoping for a better one because even on your terms it's not a big deal. You spend much of your time attacking the US government's behavior across the globe but somehow little Israel leads Trump by the nose and dictates our policy? If not, why does Israel loom so large on your imagination?

This doesn't really make any sense to me.

I already told you why Israel's actions concern me. I'm not sure what else you want me to say.

[Private Pickle]

I already told you.



This doesn't really make any sense to me.

I already told you why Israel's actions concern me. I'm not sure what else you want me to say.
So anti-semitism is ok because you don’t like Israel’s actions. Check.

[Ethereal]

We give a "$#@! ton of money" to a lot states and have for a very long time. Try again.
We give the most to Israel.

[roadmaster]

So anti-semitism is ok because you don’t like Israel’s actions. Check. Why don't you stand before the 1000's of Orthodox and Sanhedrin that think the same way and tell them how anti semitic they are. You use that like the left uses racist.

[testsubjectalpha]

The Taliban, shoot up school buses filled with young girls on their way to school. Throw acid in the face of women who show their face. The Palestinians reward killing innocent Jews. The Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, burn Catholic churches with Obama foreign aid. ISIS rape women and children while murdering young men and fathers. Why support Isreal? It's the classical battle between good and evil. Who did Obama support? Think about it, Obama supported evil at every turn. Don't take my word for it, just go back and review what Obama actually did.

[Ethereal]

So anti-semitism is ok because you don’t like Israel’s actions. Check.
I have no idea how you arrived at that conclusion.

[Private Pickle]

Why don't you stand before the 1000's of Orthodox and Sanhedrin that think the same way and tell them how anti semitic they are. You use that like the left uses racist.
Will do.

[Private Pickle]

I have no idea how you arrived at that conclusion.
Precedence.

[Ethereal]

The Taliban, shoot up school buses filled with young girls on their way to school. Throw acid in the face of women who show their face. The Palestinians reward killing innocent Jews. The Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, burn Catholic churches with Obama foreign aid. ISIS rape women and children while murdering young men and fathers. Why support Isreal? It's the classical battle between good and evil. Who did Obama support? Think about it, Obama supported evil at every turn. Don't take my word for it, just go back and review what Obama actually did.
And the US and Israel drop bombs on women and children by the hundreds and thousands.

[Ethereal]

Precedence.
I have no idea what you're talking about.

[roadmaster]

I don't hate nor want to wipe out the Jewish or Muslims. I am against any religion without Christ. You are not going to get me to hate them but I will speak out against the religions. You are not going to get me to celebrate a war killing one.

[Private Pickle]

I have no idea what you're talking about.
I and the rest of this forum know exactly what I’m talking about.

[Private Pickle]

And the US and Israel drop bombs on women and children by the hundreds and thousands.
Precedence.

[Ethereal]

I and the rest of this forum know exactly what I’m talking about.

I doubt that. Your comment didn't make any sense. I never said or implied that antisemitism was okay. You were just putting words in my mouth.

[Ethereal]

Precedence.
Again, no idea what you're talking about.

[Ethereal]

I tried to start a holocaust survivor club but they found out I wasn't a survivor and that I admire Hitler. It was a disaster.

The Jews are goofy like that.

The Holocaust has become a veritable industry in the western world.

Food for thought.

[Private Pickle]

i doubt that. Your comment didn't make any sense. I never said or implied that antisemitism was okay. You were just putting words in my mouth.
lol

[Private Pickle]

Again, no idea what you're talking about.
Dude it can’t be on accident. Suggesting the US and Israel are targeting women and children clearly has intent. Please. If you’re gonna be that guy at least don’t try and hide it. It’s painfully obvious.

[roadmaster]

There are millions of Christians like me against Zionism, 10's 1000's of Jewish against Zionism and many Muslims. You would never know that listening to the media and those fake pastors on TV.

[testsubjectalpha]

There are no winners in war. Cowards who hide behind women and children are simply that, cowards. The US and Isreal don't teach 8 year old kids to shoot Christians in the head just because they are Christians.




And the US and Israel drop bombs on women and children by the hundreds and thousands.

[Ethereal]

lol
Yeah, that's what I thought.

[Ethereal]

Dude it can’t be on accident. Suggesting the US and Israel are targeting women and children clearly has intent. Please. If you’re gonna be that guy at least don’t try and hide it. It’s painfully obvious.
I don't know what this is supposed to mean. If you want to say something, then just come out and say it.

[Ethereal]

There are no winners in war. Cowards who hide behind women and children are simply that, cowards. The US and Isreal don't teach 8 year old kids to shoot Christians in the head just because they are Christians.
So dropping bombs on people, including women and children, from thousands of meters away is not cowardly?

By the way, what's the difference between hiding behind women and children and living among them?

[zachroidott]

I and the rest of this forum know exactly what I’m talking about.
No.

[testsubjectalpha]

ISIS in their final days in Syria delayed their demise by a couple of weeks. How did they do that? By fronting women and children to hide behind. Let me ask you this, if you were being attacked by an opposing army would you present your wife and kids as human shields? Or would you send them off to safety and fight like a man?



So dropping bombs on people, including women and children, from thousands of meters away is not cowardly?

By the way, what's the difference between hiding behind women and children and living among them?

[zachroidott]

ISIS in their final days in Syria delayed their demise by a couple of weeks. How did they do that? By fronting women and children to hide behind. Let me ask you this, if you were being attacked by an opposing army would you present your wife and kids as human shields? Or would you send them off to safety and fight like a man?

Where's safety?

[testsubjectalpha]

There is no safety in a war zone Zach. That's why you send the women and children away and fight like a man to stand your ground, live or die.


Where's safety?

[zachroidott]

There is no safety in a war zone Zach. That's why you send the women and children away and fight like a man to stand your ground, live or die.

Send them where? I have no interest in defending ISISLevantwutever, but you talk a lot of shit.

[testsubjectalpha]

Zach, if an ISIS bride who wrote death to infidels endlessly wanted to immigrate to the US, would you approve that application for political asylum?



Send them where? I have no interest in defending ISISLevantwutever, but you talk a lot of shit.

[zachroidott]

Zach, if an ISIS bride who wrote death to infidels endlessly wanted to immigrate to the US, would you approve that application for political asylum?

WTF are you talking about?

[testsubjectalpha]

It's a fairly simple question that's been in the news for a while. Don't act stupid.




WTF are you talking about?

[zachroidott]

It's a fairly simple question that's been in the news for a while. Don't act stupid.

I don't watch the news.

[testsubjectalpha]

So you are ignorant so you claim.



I don't watch the news.

[zachroidott]

So you are ignorant so you claim.
You are wise claim so you.

[testsubjectalpha]

I'm ignorant about a lot of things. For example, I cannot understand the belief that those who drop out of school and go on welfare somehow think the world is not fair to them.




You are wise claim so you.

[zachroidott]

I'm ignorant about a lot of things. For example, I cannot understand the belief that those who drop out of school and go on welfare somehow think the world is not fair to them.
Nobody actually believes that.

[testsubjectalpha]

To the contrary, 50% of citizens pay zero Federal Income Tax at all. That means they don't contribute to the National defense, they don't contribute to welfare programs at all, they don't contribute to the educational system, and they don't contribute to Gov't employee pension plans.




Nobody actually believes that.

[zachroidott]

To the contrary, 50% of citizens pay zero Federal Income Tax at all. That means they don't contribute to the National defense, they don't contribute to welfare programs at all, they don't contribute to the educational system, and they don't contribute to Gov't employee pension plans.

Good for them.

[testsubjectalpha]

Now we are getting to your soul. The belief that those who contribute 'nothing' to society somehow deserve to have their lame arse thoughts respected and considered.



Good for them.

[zachroidott]

Now we are getting to your soul. The belief that those who contribute 'nothing' to society somehow deserve to have their lame arse thoughts respected and considered.
My soul? Fuck, you're a ****.

I don't believe that at all. Hierarchies are important, and you're likely low on the totem pole.

[testsubjectalpha]

Then you won't mind if I quit paying income taxes since I'm such an ****.

Of course, the Gov't needs the tax collection so I will assume you will pay my share now. I'm really feeling that I'm at the point in my life where I can't give according to my ability to society anymore, that I'm at the point where I need to take according to my need.





My soul? Fuck, you're a ****.

I don't believe that at all. Hierarchies are important, and you're likely low on the totem pole.

[zachroidott]

Then you won't mind if I quit paying income taxes since I'm such an ****.

Of course, the Gov't needs the tax collection so I will assume you will pay my share now. I'm really feeling that I'm at the point in my life where I can't give according to my ability to society anymore, that I'm at the point where I need to take according to my need.
I'm sure the IRS will be sensitive to your needs. I really don't have time for the fight you think you're picking with me.

[testsubjectalpha]

I'm simply taking the position of today's 23 year old expecting a federal tax credit/refund for taxes not paid. I'm 23 and have no ability to give to society.



I'm sure the IRS will be sensitive to your needs. I really don't have time for the fight you think you're picking with me.

[testsubjectalpha]

I got my Obamacare, I got my disability. I'm a cripple unable to work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio

[donttread]

Majority or not they are the root cause of the major conflict between people right now.
And yes, killing in the name of any religion is insanity.
Are you one of the insane ones causing the needless bloodshed?
Anything else?


Nationalism and religion are the two greatest recruitment tools for war mongers and religion works for terrorist as well.
The religion supplies the pawns. The planners and leaders kill for power.

[donttread]

So dropping bombs on people, including women and children, from thousands of meters away is not cowardly?

By the way, what's the difference between hiding behind women and children and living among them?


It's all in which side of the fence you happen to live on. We live on a good side. But it ain't good enough for our "movers and shakers". They WILL kill the golden goose with greed and imperialism

[MMC]

No.

Yes.....we weren't counting Peons such as yourself.

[MMC]

It's all in which side of the fence you happen to live on. We live on a good side. But it ain't good enough for our "movers and shakers". They WILL kill the golden goose with greed and imperialism

Cmon now.....you forgot the Red meat and French fries.

[FindersKeepers]

Criticisms of Israel are not antisemitic.

I didn't say "criticisms," I said "false allegations."


The last vestiges of real "antisemitism" in the west can be found almost exclusively among rightist movements.

That was true at one time -- but not now.

And among leftist movements, Jews tend to represent a significant percentage of their leadership and membership.
Given this, I'm not sure how persuasive actual Jews will find your argument.
Yes and no. Jews are typically a bit more liberal so they naturally gravitate to moderate and *slightly" left arguments. They do not, however, fill the ranks of the far-Left groupies, such as those who call themselves "progressive," but are anything but.

How do they feel? Well, just read some of the admonishments from today's Jewry against what they view as rising antisemitism.

[Mister D]

You're the one who tried to make a basic fact seem controversial, so I'm asking you.

And what does "ask the Jews" even mean? How would I go about that? Do "the Jews" have an information desk somewhere?



How were they singled out?



That their US lobby uses money to influence politics.
What basic fact would that be and how did I make it controversial? I said if I was a Jew I would be concerned.

Ask the Jews means...well, ask the Jews who made this controversial. That wasn't obvious?

Who else was mentioned besides AIPAC? Whose "Benjamins" was Omar referring to? The NRA? "Megacorp"?

Money influences US politics? Stop the presses! Wait...or just Jewish money? Does AIPAC consist of Israelis or Americans?

[FindersKeepers]

So, Jews belong to a religion? Doesn't that make being a Jew a choice, like being a Christian or a Muslim?

It's a religion AND a race/culture. For some Jews, yes, it is a choice. For others, their DNA descends from early Hebrews.

[Mister D]

I already told you.



This doesn't really make any sense to me.

I already told you why Israel's actions concern me. I'm not sure what else you want me to say.
No, you really haven't. Why do you care what Israel does? Be specific.

No, you haven't told me. Please be specific.

[Mister D]

So anti-semitism is ok because you don’t like Israel’s actions. Check.
There's a lot going on in the world. I don't understand why Israel looms so large for them.

[FindersKeepers]

Isn't it interesting how virtually all pro-Israel narratives start AFTER Zionists invaded and drove out the majority Arab population living on what is now Israeli territory?

We can go WAY back if you like -- as Zionists prefer -- to go all the way back to biblical dictates where their god grants a great deal of the region to the 12 Tribes of Israel.

But why? It's pointless. Things have changed in the past century and Israel (for better or for worse) not sits smack dab in the middle of massive Arab lands. We have to work from there if we want to get anything thing done -- otherwise -- we'll be arguing about ancient times, and that's not effective.

[Mister D]

We give the most to Israel.
So? We also give a lot to Jordan, Egypt and a host of "shit hole countries" in Africa. Why is Israel singled out yet again? Why is that, Ethereal?

[Mister D]

Food for thought.
What do you mean, Ethereal?

[Mister D]

Nationalism and religion are the two greatest recruitment tools for war mongers and religion works for terrorist as well.
The religion supplies the pawns. The planners and leaders kill for power.
This is goofy.

[FindersKeepers]

Simple.

There is no growing antisemitism among leftist movements.

That is incorrect.


Anti-Semitism in Europe Today Comes Mostly from the Left
Link here:

http://jcpa.org/mission-impossible-repairing-the-ties-between-europe-and-israel/anti-semitism-in-europe-today-comes-mostly-from-the-left/

[Common Sense]

So? We also give a lot to Jordan, Egypt and a host of "shit hole countries" in Africa. Why is Israel singled out yet again? Why is that, Ethereal?

Well, Egyptian aid is related to Israel. Aid to Egypt is to create stability in the region and to protect Israel.

[Mister D]

Well, Egyptian aid is related to Israel. Aid to Egypt is to create stability in the region and to protect Israel.
Stability serves perceived US interests. Are you telling us the US focuses so heavily on the Mid East because of Israel and the Benjamins?

[Common Sense]

Antisemitism is on the rise in the US and even more so in Europe. Much of it is related to the rise of far right nationalism. It's part and parcel of the endless conspiracies nuts believe about Jews. It's unfortunate and dangerous and should be opposed.

That being said, there is a difference between anti semitism and criticism of Israeli policies and actions. One can be critical of a countries actions and not be a bigot. I'm critical of American foreign policy in Iraq, but I'm not anti American.

[FindersKeepers]

I'm doubting it.

First, how are we defining "antisemitism"? According to some, any criticism of a Jew or Israel is antisemitic.

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Europe has redefined antisemitism to better uncover subtle antisemitic statements and actions that work toward disparaging Jews as a people. And, because antisemitism has been masquerading recently as "criticism of Israel," those instances are included in the definition. So no, you're not free to say anything you like and still claim to be innocent of antisemitism.




Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.

Examples of the ways in which antisemitism manifests itself with regard to the State of Israel taking into account the overall context could include:


Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.



https://european-forum-on-antisemitism.org/definition-of-antisemitism/english-english