October 2020 Real ID

[Peter1469]

October 2020 Real ID (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/do-you-have-questions-about-real-id-weve-got-answers/2019/06/15/94fc6030-8c5c-11e9-8f69-a2795fca3343_story.html?utm_term=.65f20d95dc9d)

In October 2020 if you want to fly or enter a federal facility on your state ID you will need a Real ID compliant ID / drivers license. Other forms of acceptable ID will be a passport, a passport card, military ID, Green Card, or Global Entry traveler card.

My VA drivers license is not Real ID complaint, but I can travel on either my passport, military ID, or Global Entry card. So I am not renewing my drivers license until it expires in 2027.

Good news. The Real ID will be a great voter ID card.

[DGUtley]

I am good to go:

Ohio Real ID
Global Entry Card
Passport

[Beevee]

Whatever happened to freedom of choice in the USA?
Has it taken a back seat under the Trump administration?

[Peter1469]

Whatever happened to freedom of choice in the USA?
Has it taken a back seat under the Trump administration?

9-11.

[Beevee]

9-11.

So Americans lost their freedom of choice because New York was the subject of a terrorist attack?

[Peter1469]

So Americans lost their freedom of choice because New York was the subject of a terrorist attack?

The nation was subject to a terrorist attack. The nation remains vulnerable to another if we ignore the threat.

[DGUtley]

Whatever happened to freedom of choice in the USA? Has it taken a back seat under the Trump administration?

That's right -- as typical - Blame Trump!!!!!! C'mon man - the Real ID Act of 2005 is what started this. It has nothing to do with Trump and is a direct response to 9-11. The Obama Administration deferred the last phase dealing with drivers license until 2020.

[/URL][URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_ID_Act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_ID_Act)

[Peter1469]

That's right -- as typical - Blame Trump!!!!!! C'mon man - the Real ID Act of 2005 is what started this. It has nothing to do with Trump and is a direct response to 9-11. The Obama Administration deferred the last phase dealing with drivers license until 2020.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_ID_Act
Don't stress him out. He is suffering from an extreme case of TDS.

[Common]

My wife and I have real id and passports

[Beevee]

That's right -- as typical - Blame Trump!!!!!! C'mon man - the Real ID Act of 2005 is what started this. It has nothing to do with Trump and is a direct response to 9-11. The Obama Administration deferred the last phase dealing with drivers license until 2020.

[/URL][URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_ID_Act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_ID_Act)

It seems that, as a lawyer, you are unable to differentiate between a statement and a question. Why is that?

[DGUtley]

It seems that, as a lawyer, you are unable to differentiate between a statement and a question. Why is that?

Awww, c'mon -- your question was a statement. Now you're being silly. Why is that?

[Beevee]

Awww, c'mon -- your question was a statement. Now you're being silly. Why is that?

Because I am a member on this forum and believe that being silly is attributable to all who post here.

[DGUtley]

The Real ID thing is an interesting issue. I take it that you probably have no constitutional right to air travel without the proper ID. Do you have a constitutional right to enter public buildings? We have always been a NO "Show me your papers" country. Is this a start on that slippery slope? In Ohio, you have the right to refuse to show ID or to Identify yourself unless the police have probable cause to believe you have witnessed or committed a crime.

[Captdon]

Whatever happened to freedom of choice in the USA?
Has it taken a back seat under the Trump administration?

Trump wasn't President in 2005. Do try to keep up.

[Captdon]

It seems that, as a lawyer, you are unable to differentiate between a statement and a question. Why is that?

No, most people pay enough attention to know even this. It's been in all the news. It was a Trump attack.

[Beevee]

So, what happened to the right of freedom of movement?

[Beevee]

Trump wasn't President in 2005. Do try to keep up.

He isn't a President now. He just acts it out as an apprentice.

[Captdon]

He isn't a President now. He just acts it out as an apprentice.

Then why all the bitching and lying about him? You have stage 4 TDS.

[DGUtley]

So, what happened to the right of freedom of movement?

I looked in the CUSA and I didn't see the right of international travel as a right. If I missed it, I apologize. I don't see this ID as hindering the right of freedom of movement guaranteed in the constitution through the Privileges and Immunities Clause of the Constitution. Do you?

[Don29palms]

He isn't a President now. He just acts it out as an apprentice.

Why does it matter to you either way?

[Peter1469]

The Real ID thing is an interesting issue. I take it that you probably have no constitutional right to air travel without the proper ID. Do you have a constitutional right to enter public buildings? We have always been a NO "Show me your papers" country. Is this a start on that slippery slope? In Ohio, you have the right to refuse to show ID or to Identify yourself unless the police have probable cause to believe you have witnessed or committed a crime.
What if you are a party to a federal lawsuit but don't have the proper ID to get inside the court building?

[Peter1469]

He isn't a President now. He just acts it out as an apprentice.
Do you try to prove how stupid you are?

[MMC]

October 2020 Real ID (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/do-you-have-questions-about-real-id-weve-got-answers/2019/06/15/94fc6030-8c5c-11e9-8f69-a2795fca3343_story.html?utm_term=.65f20d95dc9d)

In October 2020 if you want to fly or enter a federal facility on your state ID you will need a Real ID compliant ID / drivers license. Other forms of acceptable ID will be a passport, a passport card, military ID, Green Card, or Global Entry traveler card.

My VA drivers license is not Real ID complaint, but I can travel on either my passport, military ID, or Global Entry card. So I am not renewing my drivers license until it expires in 2027.

Good news. The Real ID will be a great voter ID card.

Illinois the Demo alleged Stronghold went with Real ID. So the leftness just wont be able to use the lame excuses about how Voter ID suppresses people from voting.

Oh and the Demos have some deal about if they can't afford one. They can get assistance. Kind of like.....Wimpy and paying for his hamburger next Tuesday. :laugh:

[Beevee]

Why does it matter to you either way?

Because it elicits a response from a deplorable and shows you up for who you are. Uncaring. Selfish. Detestable.

[Beevee]

Do you try to prove how stupid you are?

You need proof? Who's being stupid now?

[Peter1469]

Because it elicits a response from a deplorable and shows you up for who you are. Uncaring. Selfish. Detestable.
You should be a strategist for the DNC. It is utterly stupid statements like this that caused Hillary to lose to a non-politician.

[Peter1469]

You need proof? Who's being stupid now?
1. Good point.
2. You.

[DGUtley]

What if you are a party to a federal lawsuit but don't have the proper ID to get inside the court building?

That is a good point. I don't know what they'd do.

[Don29palms]

Because it elicits a response from a deplorable and shows you up for who you are. Uncaring. Selfish. Detestable.

It doesn't apply to you so you're the one showing your stupidity. It is none of your concern either way.

[DGUtley]

It doesn't apply to you so you're the one showing your stupidity. It is none of your concern either way.

WARNING - Don29palms - Nationality is irrelevant on contributing to a subject. Suggesting otherwise is considered bad faith posting here.

[MMC]

That is a good point. I don't know what they'd do.

:wink:

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[zachroidott]

9-11.
Hang on. Let me grab my ankles and say, “ahhh”.

[Lummy]

What does a "Real ID" accomplish that a state driver's license can't? Pay the tax?

[MMC]

What does a "Real ID" accomplish that a state driver's license can't? Pay the tax?

For the Demos, they figured out thy could scam people for more money.

[Lummy]

"Never let a good crisis go to waste." -- Immortal words to democrats from I think Eric Holder, not yet in prison.

[zachroidott]

For the Demos, they figured out thy could scam people for more money.
What are you pretending to know about?

[MisterVeritis]

What does a "Real ID" accomplish that a state driver's license can't? Pay the tax?
The Real ID standard is far more difficult to forge. A legitimate one positively identifies you as you. Identification is remarkably complicated.

[Peter1469]

What does a "Real ID" accomplish that a state driver's license can't? Pay the tax?

What tax? You awake?

Real ID just means you proved you are legal and a resident of the address you claim that you are. It does not cost any more than what you currently pay.

[DGUtley]

It cost no more. Just a better background check.

[Tahuyaman]

October 2020 Real ID (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/do-you-have-questions-about-real-id-weve-got-answers/2019/06/15/94fc6030-8c5c-11e9-8f69-a2795fca3343_story.html?utm_term=.65f20d95dc9d)
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In October 2020 if you want to fly or enter a federal facility on your state ID you will need a Real ID compliant ID / drivers license. Other forms of acceptable ID will be a passport, a passport card, military ID, Green Card, or Global Entry traveler card.

My VA drivers license is not Real ID complaint, but I can travel on either my passport, military ID, or Global Entry card. So I am not renewing my drivers license until it expires in 2027.

Good news. The Real ID will be a great voter ID card.
I have a passport, retired military ID and what's called an enhanced drivers license. To get the enhanced, I had to provide my passport and $25.00. I used to be able to use it for travel to Canada and Mexico. Its no longer accepted for travel to Mexico.


Your drivers license expires in 2027? A drivers license in Washington state needs to be renewed every five years.

[Tahuyaman]

Do you try to prove how stupid you are?
I don't think he's trying.

[Tahuyaman]

Whatever happened to freedom of choice in the USA?
Has it taken a back seat under the Trump administration?

Where's the violation of freedom of choice here?

[Tahuyaman]

That's right -- as typical - Blame Trump!!!!!! C'mon man - the Real ID Act of 2005 is what started this. It has nothing to do with Trump and is a direct response to 9-11. The Obama Administration deferred the last phase dealing with drivers license until 2020.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_ID_Act

Nothing is funnier than using facts to destroy the arguments of those infected with TDS.

[Tahuyaman]

So, what happened to the right of freedom of movement?
When did we lose it?

[stjames1_53]

When did we lose it?

we started losing it when the 14th A was passed. Then the 15th and 16th Amendments were the finishing nails

[Tahuyaman]

we started losing it when the 14th A was passed. Then the 15th and 16th Amendments were the finishing nails
We haven't lost our freedom of movement. None of those amendments took away your freedom of movement.

[MMC]

What are you pretending to know about?

You must be confused with your video gaming. Let us know when you come back to reality.

[MMC]

That's right -- as typical - Blame Trump!!!!!! C'mon man - the Real ID Act of 2005 is what started this. It has nothing to do with Trump and is a direct response to 9-11. The Obama Administration deferred the last phase dealing with drivers license until 2020.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_ID_Act

Cmon now that is to much for Leftists to handle.

[Peter1469]

I have a passport, retired military ID and what's called an enhanced drivers license. To get the enhanced, I had to provide my passport and $25.00. I used to be able to use it for travel to Canada and Mexico. Its no longer accepted for travel to Mexico.


Your drivers license expires in 2027? A drivers license in Washington state needs to be renewed every five years.
10 years here in VA.

[Captdon]

You need proof? Who's being stupid now?

No one needs proof about what you are.

[Tahuyaman]

10 years here in VA.
That's too long. I'd forget about it.

[Tahuyaman]

No one needs proof about what you are.
I don't.

[Lummy]

The Real ID standard is far more difficult to forge. A legitimate one positively identifies you as you. Identification is remarkably complicated.

You mean, ID is difficult to make forgery-proof? ID is not complicated.


What tax? You awake?

Real ID just means you proved you are legal and a resident of the address you claim that you are. It does not cost any more than what you currently pay.

It cost no more. Just a better background check.


Real ID is not free. In fact, it's not at all cheap. How about $60 in PA?

http://www.witf.org/news/2018/01/real-id-in-pa-explained-it-costs-6050-you-might-need-it-soon-you-cant-have-it-yet.php


Nothing about this makes much sense to me.

[zachroidott]

You must be confused with your video gaming. Let us know when you come back to reality.
So close to clever.

[MisterVeritis]

You mean, ID is difficult to make forgery-proof? ID is not complicated.
Identification is extraordinarily complicated.

Real ID is not free. In fact, it's not at all cheap. How about $60 in PA?

http://www.witf.org/news/2018/01/real-id-in-pa-explained-it-costs-6050-you-might-need-it-soon-you-cant-have-it-yet.php


Nothing about this makes much sense to me.
If your state is charging you a great deal for it your state is screwing you.

[Lummy]

Identification is extraordinarily complicated.

In what way?


If your state is charging you a great deal for it your state is screwing you.

Well, it sounds like PA politicians are in politics to mine the state's "human resources" (populace), yes. My point is, you're wrong on both points.

It's a load of unfair taxation is what it amounts to. It's impact will be to heavily restrict movement.

[Cletus]

That is a good point. I don't know what they'd do.

In New Mexico, the rationale behind "Real ID" was that the state foolishly allows illegal aliens to get a driver's license or state issued ID card. That necessitated a form of ID that proves you are a citizen or legal resident alien.

[Lummy]

In New Mexico, the rationale behind "Real ID" was that the state foolishly allows illegal aliens to get a driver's license or state issued ID card. That necessitated a form of ID that proves you are a citizen or legal resident alien.
So they rationalize "REal ID" because they had breached their own motor vehicle laws in order to create a need for another tax. They are just about sucking blood, or will be soon enough.

[Cletus]

So they rationalize "REal ID" because they had breached their own motor vehicle laws in order to create a need for another tax. They are just about sucking blood, or will be soon enough.
It wasn't the state's idea. The Feds told the state that because they issued DLs and state issued IDs to illegal aliens, they would stop accepting New Mexico IDs as proof of identity and residence by a particular date. The state was forced into issuing Real Ids. Their cost here is the same as any other driver's license. The difference is in the documentation necessary to get it.

[Peter1469]

That's too long. I'd forget about it. They will email me when it gets to its last year. Typically you can renew via Internet, but since my next will be a Real ID I will have to go in with the required documents.

[Peter1469]

You mean, ID is difficult to make forgery-proof? ID is not complicated.





Real ID is not free. In fact, it's not at all cheap. How about $60 in PA?

http://www.witf.org/news/2018/01/real-id-in-pa-explained-it-costs-6050-you-might-need-it-soon-you-cant-have-it-yet.php


Nothing about this makes much sense to me.
$60 is not cheap? I think it is $75 here. Pocket change.

I am sorry it doesn't make sense to you. I suppose that is not relevant though.

[donttread]

October 2020 Real ID (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/do-you-have-questions-about-real-id-weve-got-answers/2019/06/15/94fc6030-8c5c-11e9-8f69-a2795fca3343_story.html?utm_term=.65f20d95dc9d)

In October 2020 if you want to fly or enter a federal facility on your state ID you will need a Real ID compliant ID / drivers license. Other forms of acceptable ID will be a passport, a passport card, military ID, Green Card, or Global Entry traveler card.

My VA drivers license is not Real ID complaint, but I can travel on either my passport, military ID, or Global Entry card. So I am not renewing my drivers license until it expires in 2027.

Good news. The Real ID will be a great voter ID card.

NY has had enhanced licenses for quite awhile. General rule of thumb here is "if it cost extra, we got it". But I mean you heard about all those dangerous people flying under fake, unreal ID's right? No? Come to think of it neither did I. The tSA typically fails their own test , BADLY , but Real ID's are the answer. LOL
Oh course the TSA's real job is to provide the illusion of security and make travelers grumpy of course.

[DGUtley]

NY has had enhanced licenses for quite awhile. General rule of thumb here is "if it cost extra, we got it". But I mean you heard about all those dangerous people flying under fake, unreal ID's right? No? Come to think of it neither did I. The tSA typically fails their own test , BADLY , but Real ID's are the answer. LOL

LOL. Here's the long title for the Act: An Act to establish and rapidly implement regulations for state driver's license (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver%27s_licenses_in_the_United_States) and identification document security standards, to prevent terrorists from abusing the asylum laws of the United States, to unify terrorism-related grounds for inadmissibility and removal, and to ensure expeditious construction of the San Diego border fence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_barrier).

[MisterVeritis]

Identification is extraordinarily complicated.

In what way?
Not to be flippant, but in every way. In real life you have dozens if not hundreds of identities. Which one is real? Which can be relied upon?
If your state is charging you a great deal for it your state is screwing you.


Well, it sounds like PA politicians are in politics to mine the state's "human resources" (populace), yes. My point is, you're wrong on both points.

It's a load of unfair taxation is what it amounts to. It's impact will be to heavily restrict movement.

You agreed with me. You are confused.

[Sergeant Gleed]

Whatever happened to freedom of choice in the USA?
Has it taken a back seat under the Trump administration?

That concept died when the baby was given no choice but to be executed for it's incubator's convenience.

[Sergeant Gleed]

So Americans lost their freedom of choice because New York was the subject of a terrorist attack?

No, because the United States was attacked.

[Sergeant Gleed]

What does a "Real ID" accomplish that a state driver's license can't? Pay the tax?

Retarded treasonous Rodent-infested states like California issue DL'S to illegal aliens and other terrorists because they need the voters.

[Sergeant Gleed]

What tax? You awake?

Real ID just means you proved you are legal and a resident of the address you claim that you are. It does not cost any more than what you currently pay.

I just got a letter from the CA DMV stating that I'd failed to produce two forms of ID to get my Real ID (I provided the two), and tgst if I signed this affadavit and check the right box, this form would serve as MI second form of address verification.

I wonder how many illegal aliens they sent that form to?

[Peter1469]

NY has had enhanced licenses for quite awhile. General rule of thumb here is "if it cost extra, we got it". But I mean you heard about all those dangerous people flying under fake, unreal ID's right? No? Come to think of it neither did I. The tSA typically fails their own test , BADLY , but Real ID's are the answer. LOL
Oh course the TSA's real job is to provide the illusion of security and make travelers grumpy of course.
Not to worry. No need for an ID outside of your 25 mile local radius. Nothing beyond that should bother you. Localism it is what's for dinner.