Democrats, crying about foreign influence, used foreign influence to try to get Trump

[DGUtley]

Democrats don’t care a whit about foreign influence, to get Trump they used foreign intel who lied that the President was a Russian agent. Democrats criticizing President Donald Trump for suggesting he would listen if foreign sources had information on his opponents (he also suggested he might call the FBI) really don’t care a whit about foreign influence in our political process. In 2016, not only did the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee pay for foreign intelligence on President Trump — which was later found to contain false information that he was a bought and paid-for Russian agent — they trafficked it to the FBI and the Justice Department to have Trump investigated for the false allegations.



http://dailytorch.com/2019/06/democrats-dont-care-a-whit-about-foreign-influence-to-get-trump-they-used-foreign-sources-who-lied-that-the-president-was-a-russian-agent/


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[stjames1_53]

Lies will circle the globe at least once before the truth has a chance to get its shoes on.

[ripmeister]

False equivalency. Steele was an employee of a US based oppo research group.

[MisterVeritis]

False equivalency. Steele was an employee of a US based oppo research group.
Steele was a foreigner, a citizen of a hostile country, Great Britain. Steele went to Russian intelligence for the best possible Russian disinformation.

[Tahuyaman]

Lies will circle the globe at least once before the truth has a chance to get its shoes on.


False equivalency. Steele was an employee of a US based oppo research group.
And once the truth is exposed some people can't accept it so they go into denial mode.

[hanger4]

False equivalency. Steele was an employee of a US based oppo research group.Steele was and still is a foreign national. He used other foreign nationals (Russian) to compile his dossier. BTW Steele wasn't an employee of Fusion GPS, he's a co-founder of Orbis Business Intelligence. Fusion GPS was an Orbis Business Intelligence client.

[Tahuyaman]

False equivalency. Steele was an employee of a US based oppo research group.
A swing and a miss. You get two more

[bulletbob]

Adam shifty wanted nude pucks from russia that turned out to be two russians joking and steele was a pupprt for the russians

[countryboy]

Democrats don’t care a whit about foreign influence, to get Trump they used foreign intel who lied that the President was a Russian agent. Democrats criticizing President Donald Trump for suggesting he would listen if foreign sources had information on his opponents (he also suggested he might call the FBI) really don’t care a whit about foreign influence in our political process. In 2016, not only did the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee pay for foreign intelligence on President Trump — which was later found to contain false information that he was a bought and paid-for Russian agent — they trafficked it to the FBI and the Justice Department to have Trump investigated for the false allegations.



http://dailytorch.com/2019/06/democrats-dont-care-a-whit-about-foreign-influence-to-get-trump-they-used-foreign-sources-who-lied-that-the-president-was-a-russian-agent/


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You didn't get the memo? Foreign influence is fine, as long as you hire a US company to do it, and launder the payments through a US law firm. C'mon man, try and keep up.

[countryboy]

False equivalency. Steele was an employee of a US based oppo research group.
Right, soooo, Putin dirt is a-okay, as long as you hire a "US based oppo research group" to get it, and launder the payments through a third party law firm. Thanks for clearing that up for us.

And, hiring Russian nationals as part of a plot to set up and take down a presidential candidate, is also a-okay, as long as they are an employee of a "US based oppo research group" as well.

[Peter1469]

Adam shifty wanted nude pucks from russia that turned out to be two russians joking and steele was a pupprt for the russians
Adam Shift wanted Trump nude pics? He looks like a puff. Fat little creep.

[Hoosier8]

False equivalency. Steele was an employee of a US based oppo research group.
Steele was a foreign national, you know, what all the hysteria is about. He was not an employee but was paid for Russian information from Russians.

[ripmeister]

And once the truth is exposed some people can't accept it so they go into denial mode.
I made no statement regarding the veracity of Steeles claims. What I pointed out was the comparison of an employee of an American company that does OPO research and a state actor trying to influence the election. Making an equivalency of the two is an error but I do understand as a pro Trump talking point.

[ripmeister]

Steele was a foreign national, you know, what all the hysteria is about. He was not an employee but was paid for Russian information from Russians.

I don't think that is true.

[Tahuyaman]

I don't think that is true.
Steele was born in South Africa and was a former British intelligence agent. He is indeed a foreign national.

[Tahuyaman]

Steele was a foreign national, you know, what all the hysteria is about. He was not an employee but was paid for Russian information from Russians.


I don't think that is true.

No, it is true.

[stjames1_53]

I don't think that is true.

It is.

The Trump–Russia dossier, also known as the Steele dossier,[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Russia_dossier#cite_note-Vogel_Haberman_10/27/2017-1) is a private intelligence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_intelligence_agency) report written from June to December 2016 containing allegations of misconduct and conspiracy between Donald Trump's presidential campaign (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign,_2016) and the Government of Russia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_Russia) during the 2016 election (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election). The dossier comprises 17 memos and was authored by Christopher Steele (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Steele),[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Russia_dossier#cite_note-Shane_Confessore_Rosenberg_1/12/2017-2) a former head of the Russia Desk for British intelligence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Intelligence_Service) (MI6), for the private investigative firm Fusion GPS (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_GPS). The report alleged that Trump campaign members and Russian operatives conspired to interfere in the election (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_ele ctions) to benefit Trump

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Russia_dossier

He's not a US citizen, either.

[hanger4]

I don't think that is true.What part don't you believe is true ?? ........ That he was not an employee or paying for information from Russians ??

[ripmeister]

Steele was born in South Africa and was a former British intelligence agent. He is indeed a foreign national.

Yep

[ripmeister]

I was refering to the claim that he was not an employee of a legitimate American lol research group. Obviously he is a foreign national. Plus I don't believe he was paid by Russians.

[Bo-4]

Democrats don’t care a whit about foreign influence, to get Trump they used foreign intel who lied that the President was a Russian agent. Democrats criticizing President Donald Trump for suggesting he would listen if foreign sources had information on his opponents (he also suggested he might call the FBI) really don’t care a whit about foreign influence in our political process. In 2016, not only did the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee pay for foreign intelligence on President Trump — which was later found to contain false information that he was a bought and paid-for Russian agent — they trafficked it to the FBI and the Justice Department to have Trump investigated for the false allegations.

Oh please Dave - First, please list the things in the Steele Dossier that have been proven false. MANY have been proven true while NONE have been proven false. Second, Chris Steele isn't part of a foreign government or a hostile foreign nation. Third, he is a long-time trusted partner who had worked extensively with US intelligence. Fourth and finally, the Steele project was started by Never Trumpers .. the Clinton campaign took it over when he got the nomination. NOTHING illegal about that.

[Bo-4]

Steele was a foreigner, a citizen of a hostile country, Great Britain. Steele went to Russian intelligence for the best possible Russian disinformation.

Great Britain is a hostile country and Russia is our best buddy!

:smiley_ROFLMAO:

[The Xl]

They're all criminals and hacks

[Bo-4]

Was it okay for the FBI to have trusted and hired Christopher Steele?

In 2010, The Football Association (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Football_Association) (FA), England's domestic football governing body, organized a committee (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England_2018_FIFA_World_Cup_bid) in hopes of hosting the 2018 or 2022 World Cups.[29] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Steele#cite_note-fifa-29) The FA hired Steele's company to investigate FIFA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA) (International Federation of Association Football). In advance of the FBI launching its 2015 FIFA corruption case (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_FIFA_corruption_case), members of the FBI's Eurasian Organized Crime Task Force met with Steele in London to discuss allegations of possible corruption in FIFA.[26] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Steele#cite_note-hose-26)[30] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Steele#cite_note-yahooIsikoff-30) Steele's research indicated that Russian Deputy Prime Minister (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deputy_Prime_Minister_of_Russia) Igor Sechin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Sechin) had rigged the bidding of the 2018 World Cups (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_and_2022_FIFA_World_Cup_bids) by employing bribery.[8] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Steele#cite_note-Mayer_3/12/2018-8)

[MisterVeritis]

Steele was a foreigner, a citizen of a hostile country, Great Britain. Steele went to Russian intelligence for the best possible Russian disinformation.

Great Britain is a hostile foreign government and Russia is our best buddy!

:smiley_ROFLMAO:
You got the first part right. Great Britain and Australia spied on American citizens on behalf of the Democrats. Great Britain (Steele) went to Russian Intelligence to get their best Russian disinformation.

I wish you were smarter.

[MisterVeritis]

Was it okay for the FBI to have trusted and hired Christopher Steele?

In 2010, The Football Association (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Football_Association) (FA), England's domestic football governing body, organized a committee (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England_2018_FIFA_World_Cup_bid) in hopes of hosting the 2018 or 2022 World Cups.[29] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Steele#cite_note-fifa-29) The FA hired Steele's company to investigate FIFA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA) (International Federation of Association Football). In advance of the FBI launching its 2015 FIFA corruption case (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_FIFA_corruption_case), members of the FBI's Eurasian Organized Crime Task Force met with Steele in London to discuss allegations of possible corruption in FIFA.[26] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Steele#cite_note-hose-26)[30] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Steele#cite_note-yahooIsikoff-30) Steele's research indicated that Russian Deputy Prime Minister (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deputy_Prime_Minister_of_Russia) Igor Sechin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Sechin) had rigged the bidding of the 2018 World Cups (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_and_2022_FIFA_World_Cup_bids) by employing bribery.[8] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Steele#cite_note-Mayer_3/12/2018-8)
The FBI fired Steele.

[MisterVeritis]

Oh please Dave - First, please list the things in the Steele Dossier that have been proven false. MANY have been proven true while NONE have been proven false. Second, Chris Steele isn't part of a foreign government or a hostile foreign nation. Third, he is a long-time trusted partner who had worked extensively with US intelligence. Fourth and finally, the Steele project was started by Never Trumpers .. the Clinton campaign took it over when he got the nomination. NOTHING illegal about that.
One does not prove things false. One confirms things as true.
What of relevance has been proven to be true?

Steel was not trusted by the FBI. The FBI fired Steele.

You err when you claim Steele was hired by never Trumpers. Never Trumpers hired Fusion to do opposition research on Trump (and I believe others). Once Trump easily won the nomination there was no longer a need for opposition research.

No one has claimed that opposition research is illegal. A coup attempt by the Barack Hussein Milhous Benito Obama regime is sedition if not treason.

[ripmeister]

From Wiki

In October 2015, Fusion GPS was contracted by conservative political website The Washington Free Beacon (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Free_Beacon) to provide general opposition research (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_research) on Trump and other Republican presidential candidates. In April 2016, attorneys for Hillary Clinton's campaign (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_presidential_campaign,_2016)and the DNC (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_National_Committee) separately hired Fusion GPS to investigate Trump, while The Free Beacon stopped its backing in May of 2016.[2] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Russia_dossier#cite_note-Shane_Confessore_Rosenberg_1/12/2017-2) In June 2016, Fusion GPS subcontracted Steele's firm to compile the dossier. Clinton campaign officials were reportedly unaware that Fusion GPS had subcontracted Steele, and he was not told that the Clinton campaign was the recipient of his research.

[Bo-4]

The FBI fired Steele.

Link, or did you pull another nugget out from your tush?

[MisterVeritis]

Link, or did you pull another nugget out from your tush?
Do you live under a rock?

Two days after then-acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe formally put President Trump under criminal investigation in May 2017, bureau officials reached out to the author of the controversial "Steele dossier" for more information, even though they had fired him for misconduct six months earlier.

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/03/02/mccabe_of_fbi_re-engaged_with_fired_dossier_author_after_comey_firi ng.html

[Bo-4]

What of relevance has been proven to be true?

A partial list for your dining and dancing enjoyment:
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-russia-dossier-true-proven-929839


Steel was not trusted by the FBI. The FBI fired Steele.


Prove it- You should probably stop normalizing lies from Trump TeeVee
https://www.vox.com/2019/3/22/18277089/fox-news-steele-dossier-lie-trump-witch-hunt



A coup attempt by the Barack Hussein Milhous Benito Obama regime is sedition if not treason.


Stop tossing around dangerous terms like "treason" - You make yourself look goofy and ill-informed.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/new-york-times-publisher-trump-crossed-a-dangerous-line-by-calling-our-reporting-treason

[MisterVeritis]

What of relevance has been proven to be true?

A partial list for your dining and dancing enjoyment:
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-russia-dossier-true-proven-929839

What of relevance has been proven to be true?

It is okay to admit nothing of relevance was proven to be true.

[MisterVeritis]

A coup attempt by the Barack Hussein Milhous Benito Obama regime is sedition if not treason.



Stop tossing around dangerous terms like "treason" - You make yourself look goofy and ill-informed.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/new-york-times-publisher-trump-crossed-a-dangerous-line-by-calling-our-reporting-treason
A coup attempt is sedition if not treason. I believe a strong case can be made that attempting a coup is waging war against America. Every coup plotter must be rooted out and slain by the State.

The New York Times is a coup supporter.

[hanger4]

Oh please Dave - First, please list the things in the Steele Dossier that have been proven false. MANY have been proven true while NONE have been proven false. Second, Chris Steele isn't part of a foreign government or a hostile foreign nation. Third, he is a long-time trusted partner who had worked extensively with US intelligence. Fourth and finally, the Steele project was started by Never Trumpers .. the Clinton campaign took it over when he got the nomination. NOTHING illegal about that.First: the primary accusation of the dossier was proved wrong, " did not establish" a conspiracy or coordination. ...... Second; Steele is a foreign national who used other foreign nationals (Russian) to compile his dossier. ..... Third; He was also fired by FBI for lying. ....... Fourth; No, never trumpers (Washington Free Beacon) ceased funding to Fusion GPS before Fusion hired Steele. Fusion hired Steele after the DNC/Clinton Campaign started funding.

[Bo-4]

What of relevance has been proven to be true?

It is okay to admit nothing of relevance was proven to be true.

Trump Supporter: Truth is not relevant!

[MisterVeritis]

What of relevance has been proven to be true?

It is okay to admit nothing of relevance was proven to be true.

Trump Supporter: Truth is not relevant!
If there was something relevant in the Steele Fabrication that was proven true make your case. Make your case that the Obama coup attempt was a legitimate use of the federal police state.

[DGUtley]

I do believe that this was a coup attempt -- for no other reason that they didn't like him and how he acted. I have said so for two years. I have also said that if they can take down this one, they can take down any of them.

[The Xl]

If the government can openly try to take down the President, then they're capable of anything, past or present. Remember that whenever you want to dismiss something that you disagree with as an anti government conspiracy theory.

[Bo-4]

I do believe that this was a coup attempt -- for no other reason that they didn't like him and how he acted. I have said so for two years. I have also said that if they can take down this one, they can take down any of them.

Okay, personally I don't believe in Derp State Coup conspiracy theories - But to each their own ;-)

[MisterVeritis]

Okay, personally I don't believe in Derp State Coup conspiracy theories - But to each their own ;-)
When did you first realize you were unable to read and comprehend?

[The Xl]

I love how some worshipers of the state treat it like Jesus Christ, like it's incapable of doing anything evil or corrupt. Newsflash, for 99+% of human history, all governments have done is abuse their people in some form or fashion, so it would be against historical precedent for governments to be 100% good now. Look at the last half century with all the declassified documents of our government starting wars on false premises or attempting to start wars, among other things. Most of the general public thinks they killed Kennedy. An attempted nonviolent coup d'etat is childs play compared to what they've done or likely done in the past.

[Bo-4]

Most of the general public thinks they killed Kennedy.

Goofy BS ^ "Most of the general public" think that Oswald didn't act alone.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-one-thing-in-politics-most-americans-believe-in-jfk-conspiracies/

As for the government killing Kennedy? Tinfoil Hat Territory

https://pics.me.me/thumb_you-just-went-full-tinfoil-hat-you-never-go-fulltinfoil-53565539.png

[DGUtley]

Okay, personally I don't believe in Derp State Coup conspiracy theories - But to each their own ;-)

I don't know what Derp means but look at everything here. If this was perpetrated against Obama we'd have blood in the streets. Since it's against a Republican, it's yawn.... I know you don't agree. I get it. I think this is dangerous stuff. Very dangerous stuff. Not for me. Not for you. For our grandchildren. This is the kind of stuff that blows up countries. They didn't like him. They went after him. Think about that. We didn't like Obama and we organized and went to work. Yes, we bitched and moaned. If Trump loses, we'll bitch and moan and organize for the next one. There won't be anything like this from our side. Nobody will bust down any doors. Tanks won't roll. We'll lick our wounds confident that you guys will over reach and we'll organize.

They tried to take him down. I get that you don't see it that way and that's your right but I think the vast majority of the country does.

[Lummy]

Goofy BS ^ "Most of the general public" think that Oswald didn't act alone
As for the government killing Kennedy? Tinfoil Hat Territory

LBJ was just a whole lot more rotten than anyone let on at the time. He did a great deal to bring down and destroy America. I think he would have sold his mother on the street if it gave him some political advantage. But come to find out, it was -- and is -- typical of Democrats generally. It is their heritage, their true Camelot.

[Hoosier8]

Okay, personally I don't believe in Derp State Coup conspiracy theories - But to each their own ;-)
Consider the following: The Obama administration accepted unsolicited derogatory information from a foreign national, Downer of Australia. Isn't that what the left is whining about?

The FBI never investigated the DNC computers and only accepted a redacted report from Crowdstrike through a DNC lawyer yet the Mueller report accepts this as a fact.

The FBI agent in charge of the Hillary investigation also became the lead investigator in the Mueller investigation and he stated he wanted Hillary to win, 'a million to one'.

The illegal spying on Americans started under the Obama administration as far back as 2012.

In UK courts, Steele claimed he could not verify any of the dossier, the main thing used for investigating Trump.

Mike Rogers shut down the illegal used of 702 requests of the NSA database that Obama opened up to outside contractors, one of them Fusion GPS.

The investigation started with many CIA and MI5 operatives contacting Papadopoulos and offered dirt on Hillary, which was then used against him.

The small group, Brennan, Comey, Clapper, and McCabe started the investigation bypassing all normal procedures, then brought in the WH and expanded the small group to 16.

2 1/2 years later Mueller found no conspiracy, the whole basis for investigating Trump.

Barr and Durham are now questioning FBI and CIA personnel. Judicial Watch has uncovered a lot of very interesting details proving much of the above.

[The Xl]

Goofy BS ^ "Most of the general public" think that Oswald didn't act alone.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-one-thing-in-politics-most-americans-believe-in-jfk-conspiracies/

As for the government killing Kennedy? Tinfoil Hat Territory

https://pics.me.me/thumb_you-just-went-full-tinfoil-hat-you-never-go-fulltinfoil-53565539.png

Yeah, the state is Jesus Christ, capable of doing no wrong. Useful idiots are indeed useful.

[zachroidott]

Goofy BS ^ "Most of the general public" think that Oswald didn't act alone.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-one-thing-in-politics-most-americans-believe-in-jfk-conspiracies/

As for the government killing Kennedy? Tinfoil Hat Territory

https://pics.me.me/thumb_you-just-went-full-tinfoil-hat-you-never-go-fulltinfoil-53565539.png
Way to address the least important part of the post.

[bulletbob]

False equivalency. Steele was an employee of a US based oppo research group.

Stelle was a spy and went to russian sources.