The great divide: The civil wars gripping America’s political parties.....

[MMC]

In the United States, both the Republicans and Democrats are riven with dissent. The result is a political crisis that endangers all institutions in American life.


Of all the upheavals in American civic life – the disruptive presidency of Donald J. Trump, the paralysis of the institutions of government, the undermining of established political customs, the coarsening of public dialogue, the diminution of the role of Congress – one has gone virtually unnoticed, and it may be the fundamental problem besetting politics in the United States:

For the first time in American history, both major political parties – the organizing institutions of American public life – are riven with division, dissent and disillusion.


But never before have both parties suffered at the same time the sort of major fissures that hobble the parties today, with a war raging between the GOP establishment and the Trump insurgency among the Republicans and with a death struggle between moderates and progressives in the Democratic Party, particularly among the nearly two dozen presidential candidates and over the issue of impeaching Mr. Trump.


The result is an unusual and toxic alchemy: hyperpartisanship at a time of party divisions.


The stereo divisions in American politics come, ironically, at the first time in more than a century that every state legislature but Minnesota’s is dominated by a single party. These divisions are marked by debates over just how strong the competing factions are, and over just how seriously one side should take the other.


These divisions have many causes, some economic, some cultural, some simply as the result of festering impatience with politics and with political leaders. But what is common in both parties – and what may in the end be the principal cause of the dissension within both – may be the failure of the respective political elites.....snip~


https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-the-great-divide-the-civil-wars-gripping-americas-political-parties/


Hopefully the left will take notice that more and more are talking about a Civil War. The Right needs to understand.....its time to call out the left as Domestic enemies. Before the left decides to do so with those on the Right.

[Chris]

I've been sitting on that article to post, thanks!

It's interesting in its use of the civil war metaphor, not between parties, but within parties.


Broken lines, broken strings,
Broken threads, broken springs,
Broken idols, broken heads,
People sleeping in broken beds
Ain't no use jiving
Ain't no use joking
Everything is broken..

Bob Dylan

[Sergeant Gleed]

What's disruptive about Trump's presidency?

Nothing.

What is disruptive is the Rodents still working on their coup.

[Sergeant Gleed]

"Before the Left decides to so to those on the Right"?

Let us remember that the Rodents during the Osama regime were calling out US veterans as potential domestic terrorists.

[donttread]

In the United States, both the Republicans and Democrats are riven with dissent. The result is a political crisis that endangers all institutions in American life.


Of all the upheavals in American civic life – the disruptive presidency of Donald J. Trump, the paralysis of the institutions of government, the undermining of established political customs, the coarsening of public dialogue, the diminution of the role of Congress – one has gone virtually unnoticed, and it may be the fundamental problem besetting politics in the United States:

For the first time in American history, both major political parties – the organizing institutions of American public life – are riven with division, dissent and disillusion.


But never before have both parties suffered at the same time the sort of major fissures that hobble the parties today, with a war raging between the GOP establishment and the Trump insurgency among the Republicans and with a death struggle between moderates and progressives in the Democratic Party, particularly among the nearly two dozen presidential candidates and over the issue of impeaching Mr. Trump.


The result is an unusual and toxic alchemy: hyperpartisanship at a time of party divisions.


The stereo divisions in American politics come, ironically, at the first time in more than a century that every state legislature but Minnesota’s is dominated by a single party. These divisions are marked by debates over just how strong the competing factions are, and over just how seriously one side should take the other.


These divisions have many causes, some economic, some cultural, some simply as the result of festering impatience with politics and with political leaders. But what is common in both parties – and what may in the end be the principal cause of the dissension within both – may be the failure of the respective political elites.....snip~


https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-the-great-divide-the-civil-wars-gripping-americas-political-parties/


Hopefully the left will take notice that more and more are talking about a Civil War. The Right needs to understand.....its time to call out the left as Domestic enemies. Before the left decides to do so with those on the Right.

Good ridence to both gangs if you ask me.

[MMC]

I've been sitting on that article to post, thanks!

It's interesting in its use of the civil war metaphor, not between parties, but within parties.


Broken lines, broken strings,
Broken threads, broken springs,
Broken idols, broken heads,
People sleeping in broken beds
Ain't no use jiving
Ain't no use joking
Everything is broken..

Bob Dylan


Yeah it is more focused on the divisions in parties. But does acknowledge the versus against each other.

The result is an unusual and toxic alchemy: hyperpartisanship at a time of party divisions.....snip~


Also, we do have several articles that have come out about the Left and their Anti Americanism. Plus the reporting.


Ocasio-Cortez and the Rising Anti-American Rhetoric (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/07/08/aoc_and_the_rising_rhetoric_of_revolution_140721.h tml)
Frank Miele, RealClearPolitics

[MMC]

Good ridence to both gangs if you ask me. Yeah we know you would want to get rid of the Ideology that is about the equal availability of opportunity to follow that Dream. Which was never the Democrats. Its not surprising you would want those that gave women and minorities the Right to vote. The ones that are for each to pursue their Right of Happiness. That you would want them gone. Because in your mind.....there is no difference between Repubs and Demos. Despite those I listed.


As always in reality it falls back to ideology. That which you obviously cannot discern.

[Safety]

Yeah it is more focused on the divisions in parties. But does acknowledge the versus against each other.

The result is an unusual and toxic alchemy: hyperpartisanship at a time of party divisions.....snip~


Also, we do have several articles that have come out about the Left and their Anti Americanism. Plus the reporting.


Ocasio-Cortez and the Rising Anti-American Rhetoric (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/07/08/aoc_and_the_rising_rhetoric_of_revolution_140721.h tml)
Frank Miele, RealClearPolitics

:roflmao:


You can tell our resident leftness doesn't like it, huh?


Ya have to remember leftist illiberal hacks don't know McCabe was referred for criminal prosecution.


Yep you know leftists.....everything is free. Or should be.

Nothing like a self proclaimed prophecy..

[MMC]

"Before the Left decides to so to those on the Right"?

Let us remember that the Rodents during the Osama regime were calling out US veterans as potential domestic terrorists.



They did the same back with NAM. Although they didn't use the word terrorist. They just went with criminal.


The left is waiting for those on the Right to start the civil war. The Right is allowing the left to incrementally inch there.


Lets give the left what they want. Once the political left is destroyed.....their lemmings will play Collective Soul. Where the River Flows.

[MMC]

:roflmao:







Nothing like a self proclaimed prophecy..

Youre just mad that you illiberals aren't smart enough for people to not peep your ilks play. Oh and no one on the Right will compromise with the likes of you illiberals.


Oh and next time try using English above that pre school teaching you were given. Just sayin.

[donttread]

Yeah we know you would want to get rid of the Ideology that is about the equal availability of opportunity to follow that Dream. Which was never the Democrats. Its not surprising you would want those that gave women and minorities the Right to vote. The ones that are for each to pursue their Right of Happiness. That you would want them gone. Because in your mind.....there is no difference between Repubs and Demos. Despite those I listed.


As always in reality it falls back to ideology. That which you obviously cannot discern.


LOL. Don't have a valid point to debate, just lash out. You are very predictable. Anyway. NONE of today's politicians did those things. You laughably defend your party with 99 year old events and older. LOL. You hit the nail on the head. How much has the donkephant, separately or collectively accomplished at the federal level since the 60's?
Also if you read my post you would clearly see that I am NOT a democrat.

[MisterVeritis]

Hopefully the left will take notice that more and more are talking about a Civil War. The Right needs to understand.....its time to call out the left as Domestic enemies. Before the left decides to do so with those on the Right.
Hmmm. I might have predicted it is coming. It will come after the 2024 election. sometime in 2025 the American people will realize the Democrats stole the nation using millions of immigrants from third world countries and illegal aliens.

Then, all it takes is a spark and the nation will be ablaze, town by town.

[MMC]

LOL. Don't have a valid point to debate, just lash out. You are very predictable. Anyway. NONE of today's politicians did those things. You laughably defend your party with 99 year old events and older. LOL. You hit the nail on the head. How much has the donkephant, separately or collectively accomplished at the federal level since the 60's?
Also if you read my post you would clearly see that I am NOT a democrat.

The valid point you couldn't see is the ideology. So clearly I was predictable in pointing out the obvious fact. History shows us the way. Another fact you couldn't see.


Not all leftists are Democrats. Another fact that is a valid point. Like History and Ideology.

[MisterVeritis]

Good ridence to both gangs if you ask me.
Someone will burn you. You are too anti-American to escape notice.

[MMC]

Hmmm. I might have predicted it is coming. It will come after the 2024 election. sometime in 2025 the American people will realize the Democrats stole the nation using millions of immigrants from third world countries and illegal aliens.

Then, all it takes is a spark and the nation will be ablaze, town by town.

It will End quickly.....as the political left has no spine. No Balls, No courage. The rest of their lemmings will deny any association to them.

[MisterVeritis]

It will End quickly.....as the political left has no spine. No Balls, No courage. The rest of their lemmings will deny any association to them.
I predict the civil war will consume an entire generation. Plan for a twenty year war.

[bulletbob]

I think the republican party is much tighter then the democrats as the conservative and moderate democrats are having a issue with the socialist democrats which seem to be two different groups of socialist.
no doubt trump has not got 100 percent republican backing but independents make up a lot of his base.

[MMC]

I predict the civil war will consume an entire generation. Plan for a twenty year war.

Nah.....2 years to root out the Political lefts leaders. Any breaking overseas will be like their nickname.....Too Late!

[MisterVeritis]

I predict the civil war will consume an entire generation. Plan for a twenty year war.

Nah.....2 years to root out the Political lefts leaders. Any breaking overseas will be like their nickname.....Too Late!
It never works out that way. Plan for at least twenty years. Some civil wars were passed down from father to son.

[MMC]

I predict the civil war will consume an entire generation. Plan for a twenty year war.

It never works out that way. Plan for at least twenty years. Some civil wars were passed down from father to son.


With todays tech. I don't see it going past 5 years on the mop up. Not unless there is outside help.

[Tahuyaman]

We have experienced, survived and even thrived with bitter political divides throughout our history. This is nothing new or unique.

[MMC]

We have experienced, survived and even thrived with bitter political divides throughout our history. This is nothing new or unique.

For the first time in American history, both major political parties – the organizing institutions of American public life – are riven with division, dissent and disillusion.....snip~

[MisterVeritis]

We have experienced, survived and even thrived with bitter political divides throughout our history. This is nothing new or unique.
Believe it or not I used to think the same thing.

The 2020 census will irretrievably shift power to the Democrat-socialist party for the Presidency and, probably the House of Representatives. Given the shift it may be impossible for Republicans to ever again compete. At some point the Democrats will win the Senate. Then it is over.

[slackercruster]

Too late to call out. Half+ of USA is mentally ill dem. It is like calling a homosexual out for mental illness...useless.
There will be no civil war. Reps have no national militia.

Dems will take charge down the road and call in the guns. Then filthy dem rule from there on out.

[slackercruster]

Believe it or not I used to think the same thing.

The 2020 census will irretrievably shift power to the Democrat-socialist party for the Presidency and, probably the House of Representatives. Given the shift it may be impossible for Republicans to ever again compete. At some point the Democrats will win the Senate. Then it is over.

No crystal ball...but sounds about right to me.
If reps were not delusional they would form the rep nat'l militia before the dems disarm them. This is all prep time, a gift from god...if there was one.

[slackercruster]

We have experienced, survived and even thrived with bitter political divides throughout our history. This is nothing new or unique.
No, I'd say things are very bad in the USA. We are already in a soft civil war.

Opposing parties are ready to destroy people, cities and states that don't follow the party line. When in history was there such a chance to turn America socialist? To confiscate guns? To demand that people believe a man with a penis is a woman? Open borders, flood America with Illegals.

No, America is on new battleground.

[slackercruster]

Good ridence to both gangs if you ask me.

Yes, concur. But we need someone to run things...not ruin things. And if not ruin, at least slow down the decay a notch.

[Sergeant Gleed]

It will End quickly.....as the political left has no spine. No Balls, No courage. The rest of their lemmings will deny any association to them.

More to the point, they have no farmlands.

They have to import their food from the country, where the rednecks live, and it's a really simple matter to shut down the food transportation system.

I'm pretty sure truck drivers don't like being shot at, even if the targets are radiators and tires.

[Tahuyaman]

No, I'd say things are very bad in the USA. We are already in a soft civil war.

Opposing parties are ready to destroy people, cities and states that don't follow the party line. When in history was there such a chance to turn America socialist? To confiscate guns? To demand that people believe a man with a penis is a woman? Open borders, flood America with Illegals.

No, America is on new battleground.
No. This is nothing new or unusual. Maybe the level of childish shrieking is new, but that’s a popular culture thing.

[Sergeant Gleed]

I predict the civil war will consume an entire generation. Plan for a twenty year war.

No. I can't imagine Pyjama Boy standing up to fire, and I can't imagine Black Lies Matter having any discipline.

The military aspects will be complete in less than two years, so the Americans will have to move fast hanging as many captured enemy leaders as they can, early.

The big problem will be keeping the Rodents out of the politics during Reconstruction. I recommend tattooing their noses brilliant pinko and forever denying them the vote. People formerly registered as Rodents (Democrats, Greens, Commies and such) who do not volunteer for pink who are caught voting should have their noses pulled off.

I'm easy. They already claim we're nazis, what have we got to lose?

The other thing we really have to be on our toes about is efforts by RINOS to steal the Restoration (it won't be correctly termed a "Revolution"), for those are the real traitors that have been enabling the Rodents all this time. Boiling oil is good for them.

[Sergeant Gleed]

We have experienced, survived and even thrived with bitter political divides throughout our history. This is nothing new or unique.

Yes, the 1850's are a prime example.

We had to kill hundreds of thousands of rebels before liberty and justice were restored.

[Sergeant Gleed]

For the first time in American history, both major political parties – the organizing institutions of American public life – are riven with division, dissent and disillusion.....snip~

And that really is not true, either.

In 1860 the Rodents ran THREE.nonimees, guaranteeing an electoral win to the GOP, a brand new political party which had never run a national campaign before. There were a lot of divisions in the GOP, but Lincoln was savvy enough to use his opponents in the GOP in key positions in his Administration.

Seward, who had been expecting to earn the nomination, became Secretary of State.

Salmon Chase became head of the treasury.

[MisterVeritis]

No. I can't imagine e Pyjama Boy standing up to fire, and I can't imagine Black Lies Matter having any discipline.

The military aspects will be complete in less than two years, so the Americans will have to move fast hanging as many captured enemy leaders as they can, early.

The big probkem will be keeping the Rodents out of the politics during Reconstruction. I recommend tattooing their noses brilliant pinko and forever denying them the vote. People formerly registered as Rodents (Democrats, Greens, Commies and such) who do not volunteer for pink who are caught voting should have their noses pulled off.

I'm easy. They already claim we're nazis, what have we got to lose?

The other thing we really have to be on our toes about is efforts by RINOS to steal the Restoration (it won't be correctly termed a "Revolution"), for those are the real traitors that have been enabling the Rodents all this time. Boiling oil is good for them.
Plan for a 20 year war. This will be America's first civil war.

[Tahuyaman]

People who think we are more divided now than ever before, have little knowledge of US history.

[MisterVeritis]

People who think we are more divided now than ever before, have little knowledge of US history.
I have quite a bit of knowledge.

[Tahuyaman]

I have quite a bit of knowledge.
That’s not evident if you think we are more divided now than ever before.

[MisterVeritis]

That’s not evident if you think we are more divided now than ever before.
Some things are the same. Some things are not. I stand by my prediction. The Census will tell the tale. If power through apportionment flows away from California, New York, Texas, and Illinois and to Republican states we will be fine for another decade. If not civil war or slavery are the only two options I see.

[Sergeant Gleed]

No crystal ball...but sounds about right to me.
If reps were not delusional they would form the rep nat'l militia before the dems disarm them. This is all prep time, a gift from god...if there was one.


The Rodents are not going to disarm anyone, and it drives them crazy.

[Sergeant Gleed]

Plan for a 20 year war. This will be America's first civil war.

History major, huh?

[Cthulhu]

I predict the civil war will consume an entire generation. Plan for a twenty year war.

More like 3 tops.

With disruption of power, currency, food etc...

Me thinks 3 winter's will do the job on both sides.

[donttread]

People who think we are more divided now than ever before, have little knowledge of US history.


Getting closer every day though. We are pretty polarized given all the information we have at our fingertips.

[donttread]

More like 3 tops.

With disruption of power, currency, food etc...

Me thinks 3 winter's will do the job on both sides.

From a realistic POV we as a society couldn't even handle long term grid failure much less war on our own turf, especially civil war. But that probably won't happen. The masses will keep defending and hating as the democrats and republicans become more and more collectively corrupt and grow the government until all no aspect of our lives is truly ours anymore. But they won't have to fire a shot.

[donttread]

More like 3 tops.

With disruption of power, currency, food etc...

Me thinks 3 winter's will do the job on both sides.

From a realistic POV we as a society couldn't even handle long term grid failure much less war on our own turf, especially civil war. But that probably won't happen. The masses will keep defending and hating as the democrats and republicans become more and more collectively corrupt and grow the government until all no aspect of our lives is truly ours anymore. But they won't have to fire a shot.

[MisterVeritis]

History major, huh?
No. But I have studied extensively the history of small wars. Is there something I can help you with?

[MisterVeritis]

More like 3 tops.
With disruption of power, currency, food etc...
Me thinks 3 winter's will do the job on both sides.

Civil wars never turn out that way.

[Tahuyaman]

Getting closer every day though. We are pretty polarized given all the information we have at our fingertips.
Sure we have issues, but nothing new and unique.

[Mini Me]

What's disruptive about Trump's presidency?

Nothing.

What is disruptive is the Rodents still working on their coup.


Here is the first step in a solution to the problem;

http://www.mediafire.com/file/h0t6dvw1gnr91c2/Independence_Day_-_Laser_explodes_White_House.gif

[Mini Me]

"Before the Left decides to so to those on the Right"?

Let us remember that the Rodents during the Osama regime were calling out US veterans as potential domestic terrorists.
You mean after that HASSAN guy shot up the military base!

You just never can tell what evil lurks in men's hearts!

[Mini Me]

Getting closer every day though. We are pretty polarized given all the information we have at our fingertips.
Ever notice that all this hatred and divisiveness started after Trump got into office?

It must have been sheer coincidence! (cough, cough)

[MMC]

And that really is not true, either.

In 1860 the Rodents ran THREE.nonimees, guaranteeing an electoral win to the GOP, a brand new political party which had never run a national campaign before. There were a lot of divisions in the GOP, but Lincoln was savvy enough to use his opponents in the GOP in key positions in his Administration.

Seward, who had been expecting to earn the nomination, became Secretary of State.

Salmon Chase became head of the treasury.

Yeah but back then they weren't disillusioned. Hence their success.

[MMC]

Some things are the same. Some things are not. I stand by my prediction. The Census will tell the tale. If power through apportionment flows away from California, New York, Texas, and Illinois and to Republican states we will be fine for another decade. If not civil war or slavery are the only two options I see.


Correct.....some things are the same. Some things are not. Disillusionment. Is one of those things today that is completely different from back in the 1800s.


Of course those that can't see that never did have a thorough knowledge of History.

[MMC]

Sure we have issues, but nothing new and unique.

LMAO.....yeah tell us how they had computer tech to reach out and touch someone back then. Tell us how they were dealing with globalism. Communists and Socialists infiltrating parties. Tell us how the issues we have today are the same issues they were dealing with back then. Show us those radical environmentalists. Show us those terrorists they were dealing with. Show us the Urban and Rural divide.


Do you say stupid things just to show us your humanity is par for the course. Or is it you really don't have much grasp on history.

[MMC]

Here is the first step in a solution to the problem;

http://www.mediafire.com/file/h0t6dvw1gnr91c2/Independence_Day_-_Laser_explodes_White_House.gif

Uhm you do know the British did destroy the White House, correct? If you don't, read up on that. Just an FYI.

[MMC]

You mean after that HASSAN guy shot up the military base!

You just never can tell what evil lurks in men's hearts!

Kind of like that leftist that shot up some Repubs playing softball against Democrats. AmiRight?

[donttread]

The valid point you couldn't see is the ideology. So clearly I was predictable in pointing out the obvious fact. History shows us the way. Another fact you couldn't see.


Not all leftists are Democrats. Another fact that is a valid point. Like History and Ideology.

History may show us the way in some ways but what worked in the past ( for example imperialism) no longer works in the same way. Wars, that for a time were fought and over in a few years now drag on. Probably because the media started reporting the systematic slaughter of civilians in order to achieve surrender. You see history actually shows us the way NOT to go. But we are brutal creatures of habit in groups.
In case I still need to point this out. The reason you can't keep up is because I am operating several steps ahead of you and not going through the painfully dull details of explaining these steps, until it became so obvious that you needed that explanation.

[MMC]

History may show us the way in some ways but what worked in the past ( for example imperialism) no longer works in the same way. Wars, that for a time were fought and over in a few years now drag on. Probably because the media started reporting the systematic slaughter of civilians in order to achieve surrender. You see history actually shows us the way NOT to go. But we are brutal creatures of habit in groups.
In case I still need to point this out. The reason you can't keep up is because I am operating several steps ahead of you and not going through the painfully dull details of explaining these steps, until it became so obvious that you needed that explanation.

If you operated with any sort of skill. You would have went to Ideology first. Where it all begins. Its either that or you were purposely showing you lack the smart powers.

Let me know when you catch up. Try looking forward that way you wont be confused as to why there is no one behind you.

[Captdon]

Believe it or not I used to think the same thing.

The 2020 census will irretrievably shift power to the Democrat-socialist party for the Presidency and, probably the House of Representatives. Given the shift it may be impossible for Republicans to ever again compete. At some point the Democrats will win the Senate. Then it is over.

I heard the same thing in 1964. Goldwater had destroyed any chance of Republicans winning the WH gain. In the 13 elections since, the Republicans have held it for 8 of them. Obituaries are sometime wrong.

[Captdon]

Plan for a 20 year war. This will be America's first civil war.

Second if it happens.

[Captdon]

LMAO.....yeah tell us how they had computer tech to reach out and touch someone back then. Tell us how they were dealing with globalism. Communists and Socialists infiltrating parties. Tell us how the issues we have today are the same issues they were dealing with back then. Show us those radical environmentalists. Show us those terrorists they were dealing with. Show us the Urban and Rural divide.


Do you say stupid things just to show us your humanity is par for the course. Or is it you really don't have much grasp on history.

Two sides with opposing views. Stupidity is believing that's not the difference.

[Captdon]

If you operated with any sort of skill. You would have went to Ideology first. Where it all begins. Its either that or you were purposely showing you lack the smart powers.

Let me know when you catch up. Try looking forward that way you wont be confused as to why there is no one behind you.

Ideology is all of it.

[Tahuyaman]

LMAO.....yeah tell us how they had computer tech to reach out and touch someone back then. Tell us how they were dealing with globalism. Communists and Socialists infiltrating parties. Tell us how the issues we have today are the same issues they were dealing with back then. Show us those radical environmentalists. Show us those terrorists they were dealing with. Show us the Urban and Rural divide.


Do you say stupid things just to show us your humanity is par for the course. Or is it you really don't have much grasp on history.

That wasn't exactly an inteligent response.

The US has been just as bitterly divided and even more in our past. Deep divisions is nothing new, unique or unusual.

[MMC]

That wasn't exactly an inteligent response.

The US has been just as bitterly divided and even more in our past. Deep divisions is nothing new, unique or unusual.


Yes it was, you being unable to recognize that says what? They didn't mention just deep divisions. Which you were already given that clue.

[Tahuyaman]

Yes it was, you being unable to recognize that says what? They didn't mention just deep divisions. Which you were already given that clue.

Dont go there.

[MMC]

Dont go there.

Tell us how both parties were disillusioned. Both believed in their party and both believed they could win. Moreover both parties did not have lots of people disillusioned with their party.

Although the left did become that way after they lost.

[Tahuyaman]

Tell us how both parties were disillusioned. Both believed in their party and both believed they could win. Moreover both parties did not have lots of people disillusioned with their party.

Although the left did become that way after they lost.
what does that have to do with the divisions in our past?

[MMC]

what does that have to do with the divisions in our past?

Because the author listed disillusionment down with divisions.....which make it different from back then. Hence the comment for the first time in History.

[Tahuyaman]

The reasons for the divisions differ. That doesn't mean they weren't there or not very bitter.

[MMC]

The reasons for the divisions differ. That doesn't mean they weren't there or not very bitter.

Of course they do.....but people back then just weren't as disillusioned with their party as those are today.

[Tahuyaman]

Of course they do.....but people back then just weren't as disillusioned with their party as those are today.
Yes they were. Some political parties of the past don't even exist now. They were disillusioned enough to abolish them.

[MisterVeritis]

You mean after that HASSAN guy shot up the military base!

You just never can tell what evil lurks in men's hearts!
Major Hassan was an IslamoNazi. Political correctness prevented him from being booted prior to his Islamo murders.

[MisterVeritis]

I heard the same thing in 1964. Goldwater had destroyed any chance of Republicans winning the WH gain. In the 13 elections since, the Republicans have held it for 8 of them. Obituaries are sometime wrong.
Believe or don't. It is all the same to me.

[Chris]

I heard the same thing in 1964. Goldwater had destroyed any chance of Republicans winning the WH gain. In the 13 elections since, the Republicans have held it for 8 of them. Obituaries are sometime wrong.

And it could be said Goldwater paved the way to Reagan election.

[Tahuyaman]

And it could be said Goldwater paved the way to Reagan election.
One could also say that Carter paved the way for Reagan.

[Chris]

One could also say that Carter paved the way for Reagan.

More of a pothole than pavement. But, sure, backlash helps. Just as Obama was a bump in the road to Trump.

[Tahuyaman]

More of a pothole than pavement. But, sure, backlash helps. Just as Obama was a bump in the road to Trump.

The nomination of Clinton paved the way for Trump.

[MMC]

Yes they were. Some political parties of the past don't even exist now. They were disillusioned enough to abolish them.

Yet this article was talking about Democrats and Republicans. They didn't abolish them. Nor were people disillusioned with them as they are today. There is no getting around that fact.

[Tahuyaman]

Yet this article was talking about Democrats and Republicans. They didn't abolish them. Nor were people disillusioned with them as they are today. There is no getting around that fact.
That has nothing to do with my assertion that we have experienced bitter divisions in the past and survived just fine.

We used to have congressmen duel because of these differences. Fist fights broke out on the Senate floor in a past era. Our political differences have caused people to kill each other.

[MMC]

That has nothing to do with my assertion that we have experienced bitter divisions in the past and survived just fine.

We used to have congressmen duel because of these differences. Fist fights broke out on the Senate floor in a past era. Our political differences have caused people to kill each other.

Yet it does have to do with my point and that of the Author as to why it differs from the past til today. Did you read the whole article or cherry pick it? If you did read all of it, you would have noticed a few of the people the author used as references.

Also it was you that stated those discerning the difference didn't know much about history. Which now I have aptly proved you wrong with that bullshit.

[Tahuyaman]

Yet it does have to do with my point and that of the Author as to why it differs from the past til today. Did you read the whole article or cherry pick it? If you did read all of it, you would have noticed a few of the people the author used as references.

Also it was you that stated those discerning the difference didn't know much about history. Which now I have aptly proved you wrong with that bull$#@!.
You haven’t proved anything except that you are like so many others in that you can’t exoress disagreement without stupid insults.

[MMC]

You haven’t proved anything except that you are like so many others in that you can’t exoress disagreement without stupid insults.


You're the one that went there passing judgement about those you tried to paint out as not knowing History. That you thought didn't know history. Going straight to a stupid insult to those that do know the history and can discern specific differences. So save the victim mentality. You get what you give.

Your challenge was met and accepted....oh and I did prove you didn't know what you were talking about passing off your stupid insult. Next time save that dumbshit for the left. It wont work with me.

[Tahuyaman]

You're the one that went there passing judgement about those you tried to paint out as not knowing History. That you thought didn't know history. Going straight to a stupid insult to those that do know the history and can discern specific differences. So save the victim mentality. You get what you give.

Your challenge was met and accepted....oh and I did prove you didn't know what you were talking about passing off your stupid insult. Next time save that dumb$#@! for the left. It wont work with me.

I didn’t pass judgement. I said that if you think America is more divided now than at any time in US history, you are not knowledgeable on US history.

You’re proving to be no different than those liberal trolls who can’t respond without an insult.

[MMC]

I didn’t pass judgement. I said that if you think America is more divided now than at any time in US history, you are not knowledgeable on US history.

You’re proving to be no different than those liberal trolls who can’t respond without an insult.

Yes that is passing a judgement. Especially with those that know about history. That is you telling those that know history that they don't know it. Clearly an insult.


That is why I asked if You read the whole article and who was referenced. You didn't. Otherwise you wouldn't have jumped like you did.


Yeah I prove I don't take bullshit from any. Left or Right. Are you done now with the victim mentality?

[Tahuyaman]

That’s not passing judgement. Give it a break.

[MisterVeritis]

That has nothing to do with my assertion that we have experienced bitter divisions in the past and survived just fine.

We used to have congressmen duel because of these differences. Fist fights broke out on the Senate floor in a past era. Our political differences have caused people to kill each other.
And will again.

[CCitizen]

Both Democrats and Republicans have enormous flaws in their respective ideologies.

Democrats -- Censorship and Identity Politics.

Republicans -- opposition to State helping people in need, support for guns which take tens of thousands of lives.

Both -- support for hectomillionaires and billionaires.

[donttread]

More of a pothole than pavement. But, sure, backlash helps. Just as Obama was a bump in the road to Trump.

And trump is hopefully a step towards a TRUE break from the "the two". At any rate all those mentioned could and can rack up debt

[donttread]

Yet this article was talking about Democrats and Republicans. They didn't abolish them. Nor were people disillusioned with them as they are today. There is no getting around that fact.

Yes but their collective efforts have gone from dysfunctional to non-functional

[MMC]

Yes but their collective efforts have gone from dysfunctional to non-functional

How so.....when they embellish on how they passed something with Bi-partisan support?

[Tahuyaman]

And will again.

It's possible, but still our divisions in the past have been more severe than they are today.

[MMC]

It's possible, but still our divisions in the past have been more severe than they are today.

:rollseyes:

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Today, virtually all Democrats, 97 percent, are more liberal than the median Republican, and 95 percent of Republicans are more conservative than the median Democrat.

[Tahuyaman]

Yep, liberal punditry says it's worse than ever. Case closed.

[MMC]

Yep, liberal punditry says it's worse than ever. Case closed.

Studies and polling doesn't just ask liberal punditry. Try coming up with a better answer. As Blaming the leftness for what those on the Right are saying doesn't work.


Oh and Look up Sowell and Williams and see what they say on the Matter.

[donttread]

Both Democrats and Republicans have enormous flaws in their respective ideologies.

Democrats -- Censorship and Identity Politics.

Republicans -- opposition to State helping people in need, support for guns which take tens of thousands of lives.

Both -- support for hectomillionaires and billionaires.

You forgot their collective dedication to eroding state's rights and to constant war.

[donttread]

How so.....when they embellish on how they passed something with Bi-partisan support?

Have they really addressed the campaign issues? Did they last election cycle? Or the one before that? They are playing us. Well not me, but most of us.

[donttread]

It's possible, but still our divisions in the past have been more severe than they are today.

You cannot just look at how divided we are, but need to also address to rapid growth of that divide.

[MMC]

Have they really addressed the campaign issues? Did they last election cycle? Or the one before that? They are playing us. Well not me, but most of us.

You said non functional.....there a lot of issues they haven't addressed. Some issues they have.

While they are dysfunctional.....they are not non functional.

[MisterVeritis]

It's possible, but still our divisions in the past have been more severe than they are today.
Believe as you wish. The 2020 Census will be completed before you know it.

[Tahuyaman]

Believe as you wish. The 2020 Census will be completed before you know it.

So what? It won't be completed until 2020.

[MisterVeritis]

So what? It won't be completed until 2020.
The results of the census will set the stage for either the dissolution of the nation or one more decade together.

If California, New York, Illinois, Massachusetts...gain seats and Republican States lose seats then the stage is set for dissolution.

[Tahuyaman]

The results of the census will set the stage for either the dissolution of the nation or one more decade together.

If California, New York, Illinois, Massachusetts...gain seats and Republican States lose seats then the stage is set for dissolution.
That has no bearing on our nation’s history of dealing with past divisions.

[jet57]

In the United States, both the Republicans and Democrats are riven with dissent. The result is a political crisis that endangers all institutions in American life.


Of all the upheavals in American civic life – the disruptive presidency of Donald J. Trump, the paralysis of the institutions of government, the undermining of established political customs, the coarsening of public dialogue, the diminution of the role of Congress – one has gone virtually unnoticed, and it may be the fundamental problem besetting politics in the United States:

For the first time in American history, both major political parties – the organizing institutions of American public life – are riven with division, dissent and disillusion.


But never before have both parties suffered at the same time the sort of major fissures that hobble the parties today, with a war raging between the GOP establishment and the Trump insurgency among the Republicans and with a death struggle between moderates and progressives in the Democratic Party, particularly among the nearly two dozen presidential candidates and over the issue of impeaching Mr. Trump.


The result is an unusual and toxic alchemy: hyperpartisanship at a time of party divisions.


The stereo divisions in American politics come, ironically, at the first time in more than a century that every state legislature but Minnesota’s is dominated by a single party. These divisions are marked by debates over just how strong the competing factions are, and over just how seriously one side should take the other.


These divisions have many causes, some economic, some cultural, some simply as the result of festering impatience with politics and with political leaders. But what is common in both parties – and what may in the end be the principal cause of the dissension within both – may be the failure of the respective political elites.....snip~


https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-the-great-divide-the-civil-wars-gripping-americas-political-parties/


Hopefully the left will take notice that more and more are talking about a Civil War. The Right needs to understand.....its time to call out the left as Domestic enemies. Before the left decides to do so with those on the Right.

The neocivil war has been goin on for a generation now. The far right is pushing for a new antebellum of control through estates and state's rights, wherein the monied interests control politics through economic liberty. The Old South and the railroad baronage acted the very same way. The rest are people who deplore slavery.

[MisterVeritis]

That has no bearing on our nation’s history of dealing with past divisions.
It does have a bearing on the coming civil war.

[Tahuyaman]

It does have a bearing on the coming civil war.

There will not be a civil war.

[Tahuyaman]

The neocivil war has been goin on for a generation now. The far right is pushing for a new antebellum of control through estates and state's rights, wherein the monied interests control politics through economic liberty. The Old South and the railroad baronage acted the very same way. The rest are people who deplore slavery.
States rights is a bad thing? Economic liberty is leading to a return to slavery?

[Captdon]

And it could be said Goldwater paved the way to Reagan election.

That might be true. He certainly didn't kill the Republican party then and no one will now.

[Captdon]

I didn’t pass judgement. I said that if you think America is more divided now than at any time in US history, you are not knowledgeable on US history.

You’re proving to be no different than those liberal trolls who can’t respond without an insult.

The division then led to the Civil War. That's real division.

The Democrats were torn apart and had three candidates. The Republicans were not divided. They had several possibilities and picked Lincoln and came together. His opponents were in his camp, not fighting each other.

[Captdon]

And trump is hopefully a step towards a TRUE break from the "the two". At any rate all those mentioned could and can rack up debt

Trump has done nothing about the debt nor will he. Trump doesn't care how much debt we have.

[Captdon]

:rollseyes:

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Today, virtually all Democrats, 97 percent, are more liberal than the median Republican, and 95 percent of Republicans are more conservative than the median Democrat.

Do your own research. Read some history. We haven't reached a Civil War mood yet.

[Captdon]

Studies and polling doesn't just ask liberal punditry. Try coming up with a better answer. As Blaming the leftness for what those on the Right are saying doesn't work.


Oh and Look up Sowell and Williams and see what they say on the Matter.

Look up Bloody Kansas and get back to us.

[Captdon]

You cannot just look at how divided we are, but need to also address to rapid growth of that divide.

Kansas 1854 to the Civil War 1861. Compare that. You'll see the difference in speed.

[MisterVeritis]

There will not be a civil war.
You are welcome to believe as you wish.

[MisterVeritis]

Do your own research. Read some history. We haven't reached a Civil War mood yet.
How do you know?

[Common]

There wont be a civil war, liberals have liberal judges to fight their war

[Captdon]

How do you know?

Well, let's see, no war so I'm right. That's how I know. How do you not know is a better question.

[Tahuyaman]

The division then led to the Civil War. That's real division.

The Democrats were torn apart and had three candidates. The Republicans were not divided. They had several possibilities and picked Lincoln and came together. His opponents were in his camp, not fighting each other.

The US civil war was an obvious era where we were more bitterly divided than today.

[Tahuyaman]

There wont be a civil war, liberals have liberal judges to fight their war
We will always be arguing different views on the issues. Some people refer to that as a war of ideas. We will never have another armed conflict.

[jet57]

States rights is a bad thing? Economic liberty is leading to a return to slavery?

26320

God you're moronic.

[MisterVeritis]

You: We haven't reached a Civil War mood yet.
Me: How do you know?


Well, let's see, no war so I'm right. That's how I know. How do you not know is a better question.
After the right mood is set all that is needed is a spark. You don't know. No one does. Once the event that begins the civil war occurs it will be obvious to all that we had reached a civil war mood. Until then no one will know.

[MisterVeritis]

The US civil war was an obvious era where we were more bitterly divided than today.
Anything can appear obvious after the fact.

[MisterVeritis]

We will always be arguing different views on the issues. Some people refer to that as a war of ideas. We will never have another armed conflict.
This is the kind of thing a moron might say.

[Tahuyaman]

States rights is a bad thing? Economic liberty is leading to a return to slavery?


26320

God you're moronic.
I'll give you a mulligan. Do you want to try answering?

[Tahuyaman]

This is the kind of thing a moron might say.
Insults aside, We will never fight another US Civil War.

[jet57]

I'll give you a mulligan. Do you want to try answering?

How about if you give yourself one and THINK about what you say before you say anything at all.

[Tahuyaman]

Well, I tried. So much for that.

[MMC]

There wont be a civil war, liberals have liberal judges to fight their war

That don't mean much of anything. The South had judges, Mayors, Governors, and Military Officers.

Is a Second Civil War Likely? One Third of Americans Think So


Nearly one third of Americans think another civil war could break out in the U.S. in the next five years over opposition to President Donald Trump's policies with more than one in ten believing it is very likely to happen.


Of the 59 percent of people who do not believe that a second civil war could happen sometime before 2023, only 29 percent said the scenario is "not at all likely" according to a Rasmussen (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/june_2018/31_think_u_s_civil_war_likely_soon) survey of 1,000 likely voters.


The survey found that, overall, Democrats (37 percent) are marginally more fearful than Republicans (32 percent) of an upcoming civil war. (https://www.newsweek.com/republican-civil-war-us-steve-king-996360)


A further breakdown reveals 44 percent of African Americans think that a civil war will break out within five years, compared to 28 percent of white Americans and 36 percent of other minority voters. Women and those under 40 are also more worried about a possible civil war compared to men and older voters.....snip~


https://www.newsweek.com/second-civil-war-likely-one-third-americans-think-so-999254



In your hands, my dissatisfied fellow-countrymen, and not in mine, is the momentous issue of civil war.
Abraham Lincoln

[MisterVeritis]

Insults aside, We will never fight another US Civil War.
I'll give you a mulligan.

You need one.

[AZ Jim]

I predict the civil war will consume an entire generation. Plan for a twenty year war.Thank God I do not have your mind. You are consumed by hated.

[Sergeant Gleed]

You cannot just look at how divided we are, but need to also address to rapid growth of that divide.

In a metallic, ductile part, a Crack can form and the part resist rupture for many cycles, yet on each cycle the Crack will grow a little bigger. Eventually the Crack has grown to the size where the remaining intact material can no longer hear the stresses and the part ruptures catastrophically.

This is classic metal fatigue.

The sound metal that us America has been under attack by the Rodents for over a century now. The rupture is imminent.

[Sergeant Gleed]

That has no bearing on our nation’s history of dealing with past divisions.

So we should just focus on the Rodents ' permanent desire to re-impose slavery as the dividing force, just as it was in 1860?

[Sergeant Gleed]

There wont be a civil war, liberals have liberal judges to fight their war

And the Americans have rifles and ropes.

[Sergeant Gleed]

The US civil war was an obvious era where we were more bitterly divided than today.

Are we? They did not have fat lesbians screaming at the sky just because the American won the election rigged against him, like we've seen today.

[Tahuyaman]

Thank God I do not have your mind. You are consumed by hated.

I'm actually with you on this one. Mark this day down.

[slackercruster]

Are we? They did not have fat lesbians screaming at the sky just because the American won the election rigged against him, like we've seen today.
Yes, concur.

Even if we don't get into a shooting war, we absolutely are in a soft civil war. Destruction of your enemy by any means...sans bullets.

[slackercruster]

Insults aside, We will never fight another US Civil War.
This can never be said for sure. But as it is, there is not a good chance for a civil war. The reps are not organized. First thing the reps need to do if they are hellbent for civil war is to make a national rep militia. Then when the dems try to disarm the reps when they take control, the rep militia is set. But without organization, civil war is a pipe dream. Maybe a few loose canons here or there at best, but nothing organized.

[Peter1469]

States rights is a bad thing? Economic liberty is leading to a return to slavery?

He probably thinks federalism means control by the federal government.

[Tahuyaman]

He probably thinks federalism means control by the federal government.
I wouldn’t bet against that.

[EvilCat Breath]

What's disruptive about Trump's presidency?

Nothing.

What is disruptive is the Rodents still working on their coup.

Trump exists. He won the presidency and Hillary lost. That's enough. But that's not all. Not enough attention is being paid to the attacks on Joe Biden. Biden said that in the 70s political adversaries were civil to one another and could work together to get the country's business done.

The complaint on the left is that there should have been no civility. Democrats should never have worked with republicans for the benefit of the country. Not then. Not now. Not ever. Which is why this can only end in blood no matter how long it takes.

[donttread]

You said non functional.....there a lot of issues they haven't addressed. Some issues they have.

While they are dysfunctional.....they are not non functional.

What major accomplishments has the federal government made in the past few decades? War? ACA? They really are almost non-functional! Their actions NEVER come close to matching their rhetoric. their wars on poverty, drugs and terror have failed miserably and they appear unable to re-direct resources in light of that failure.
Very little positive action is ever taken, hence they are non-functional.

[donttread]

The neocivil war has been goin on for a generation now. The far right is pushing for a new antebellum of control through estates and state's rights, wherein the monied interests control politics through economic liberty. The Old South and the railroad baronage acted the very same way. The rest are people who deplore slavery.


The cons TALK about promoting state's rights, but do otherwise. One example is Bush's "every child left behind" another is their war on drugs

[donttread]

It does have a bearing on the coming civil war.

Civil war? the average voter can't even stop voting "A" or "B" with blinders on. They don't have the collective political will to unelect a sitting president, to include BOTH Bush and Obama. How in the hell can that morph into a civil war?

[MisterVeritis]

Civil war? the average voter can't even stop voting "A" or "B" with blinders on. They don't have the collective political will to unelect a sitting president, to include BOTH Bush and Obama. How in the hell can that morph into a civil war?
Believe what you want. When the time comes you will wonder how it happened.

[donttread]

Insults aside, We will never fight another US Civil War.


Never is a very long time. But the will to do does not exist at this time.

[Tahuyaman]

Believe what you want. When the time comes you will wonder how it happened.
It's not going to happen no matter how much you wish it.

[MMC]

It's not going to happen no matter how much you wish it.

Its going to happen. Whether you want it to or not. Might not happen within 5 years as some predict. Might not be in 10. But it will happen.

As a matter of fact.....over a hundred years later. Its past overdue.

[donttread]

Believe what you want. When the time comes you will wonder how it happened.

I won't have to wonder if you tell me how the apathetic , sheepish masses would have enough energy to wage civil war.

[Tahuyaman]

Its going to happen. Whether you want it to or not. Might not happen within 5 years as some predict. Might not be in 10. But it will happen.

As a matter of fact.....over a hundred years later. Its past overdue.
There will not be an armed US civil war. Ideas will be the weapon in the next conflict.

[MMC]

There will not be an armed US civil war. Ideas will be the weapon in the next conflict.
The ideas lead to armed conflict. Just like last time. The left already started their ideas. Hence Shutting down Free Speech of those on the Right at Universities, On Social Media. Going after Right wing sources. Antifa attacking seniors, women, and children of those on the Right. Shooting up Repubs at a softball game. Their sedition/resistance etc etc etc.

All roads lead to the end result with violence in the endzone.

[Tahuyaman]

There’s no sense in carrying on with this.

[donttread]

Another angle here is that if a civil war did occur neither the dems or repubs would be part of it. Why? Because neither of them truly represent the average American. And if people ever put their lives on the line for an ideal they will only include or follow true believers. In fact the more upset people get with the political system the more they will realize that the two major gangs have collectively failed us. Polarization will reach it's peak and then realizing the truth is all that's left.
I kind of get how young poor people think the Dems represent them and how young rich people think that the repubs represent them. But I am really shocked at how both have been able to garner support from so much of the middle class that neither comes close to representing. I also don't get how people can continue to support lying rhetoric after the party has failed to carry through on their campaign promises after multiple election cycles in their voting lifetime.

[MMC]

There’s no sense in carrying on with this.

Yeah most know that differences on ideas lead to civil wars.

[Mister D]

I'm not exactly sold on the idea of a civil war. The system may be more resilient than we give it credit for but you are all imagining Armageddon instead of car bombs, assassinations and sundry terrorist acts. If you don't think the latter is something that couldn't happen in this atmosphere you're naive.

[Captdon]

26320

God you're moronic.

Did you have something to say or did some dumbass let you out of the Hole?

[Captdon]

You: We haven't reached a Civil War mood yet.
Me: How do you know?

After the right mood is set all that is needed is a spark. You don't know. No one does. Once the event that begins the civil war occurs it will be obvious to all that we had reached a civil war mood. Until then no one will know.

That's correct. We already know when it actually did happen.

[Captdon]

In a metallic, ductile part, a Crack can form and the part resist rupture for many cycles, yet on each cycle the Crack will grow a little bigger. Eventually the Crack has grown to the size where the remaining intact material can no longer hear the stresses and the part ruptures catastrophically.

This is classic metal fatigue.

The sound metal that us America has been under attack by the Rodents for over a century now. The rupture is imminent.

The same thing can happen with a mind. You're an example of a cracked mind. Mental or metal can be fixed.

[Captdon]

So we should just focus on the Rodents ' permanent desire to re-impose slavery as the dividing force, just as it was in 1860?

Slavery? You really are goofy.

[Captdon]

Another angle here is that if a civil war did occur neither the dems or repubs would be part of it. Why? Because neither of them truly represent the average American. And if people ever put their lives on the line for an ideal they will only include or follow true believers. In fact the more upset people get with the political system the more they will realize that the two major gangs have collectively failed us. Polarization will reach it's peak and then realizing the truth is all that's left.
I kind of get how young poor people think the Dems represent them and how young rich people think that the repubs represent them. But I am really shocked at how both have been able to garner support from so much of the middle class that neither comes close to representing. I also don't get how people can continue to support lying rhetoric after the party has failed to carry through on their campaign promises after multiple election cycles in their voting lifetime.

Only a Republican or a Democrat is going to win. That's a fact. You have a better chance reforming one of them than electing someone else.

[Cthulhu]

Civil wars never turn out that way.Historically that is true, however the level of technology we have now changes a lot of that - communications specifically.

Sent from my evil cell phone.

[gamewell45]

Jet57 please stop with the insults and debate the topic instead



http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/110945?p=2640904#post2640904

[DGUtley]

This is the kind of thing a moron might say.

WARNING MisterVeritis, please refrain from name-calling and insults.

[MisterVeritis]

LOL. I will try again. See if I get closer to the approved wording. No intelligent person would ever say, "We will never fight another US Civil War."

Can one peer into the future? Should one believe one can?

[Sergeant Gleed]

Slavery? You really are goofy.

So you don't know what socialism is.

[MisterVeritis]

And the Americans have rifles and ropes.
If you see a book published with that title, Rifles and Ropes, it is not me.

[MisterVeritis]

I'm actually with you on this one. Mark this day down.
If you had had my mind you would have been far more successful.

[Newpublius]

The common ground really isn't there anymore.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/people-criticize-gender-neutral-school-dress-code-uniforms-175019442.html

Just another story.....that's just fucking garbage.

It's literally a Mao suit:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_suit

Bernie Sanders honeymooned in the Soviet Uniom, Bill de Blasio is a Sandanista hugging piece of shit. They are handing Medicaid cards to illegal immigrants in California, driver's licenses in NY. Quite openly support allowing apportionment to include illegal aliens in the population base.

This is illegitimate, its beyond debating over.

[Sergeant Gleed]

The cons TALK about promoting state's rights, but do otherwise. One example is Bush's "every child left behind" another is their war on drugs

Who are the liars that called Bush (either) a conservative?

[Sergeant Gleed]

There will not be an armed US civil war. Ideas will be the weapon in the next conflict.

The two most important ideas in human history are enshrined in the First and Second Amendments.

Since the Rodents are determined to suppress both, the coming armed conflict is inescapable.

[donttread]

Who are the liars that called Bush (either) a conservative?

Most everybody at the time. You'd call trump a con wouldn't you? Yet he may break obama's spending and debt records.

[donttread]

Only a Republican or a Democrat is going to win. That's a fact. You have a better chance reforming one of them than electing someone else.


And the only way to do that is to let them know you are ready to fire them collectively. Think about it, the donkephant gets 95% of the votes cast regardless of how horrible they are at their jobs. If we started electing third parties to congress and in local elections they would get the message.
But reform does not happen without consequences for actions.

[donttread]

So you don't know what socialism is.

What do you think socialism is?

[Tahuyaman]

Most everybody at the time. You'd call trump a con wouldn't you? Yet he may break obama's spending and debt records.
I don't remember anyone proclaiming that Bush was a solid conservative. Same with Trump.

Trump never appeared to be an ideologue. He's an amalgamation of ideologies. If he didn't have such a confrontational approach, liberals would love him.

[Tahuyaman]

And the only way to do that is to let them know you are ready to fire them collectively. Think about it, the donkephant gets 95% of the votes cast regardless of how horrible they are at their jobs. If we started electing third parties to congress and in local elections they would get the message.
But reform does not happen without consequences for actions.
You can't fire them collectively. You can only replace your representatives. Most people who hold the congress in disrespect, like their guy. They just don't like the other guys.

[donttread]

You can't fire them collectively. You can only replace your representatives. Most people who hold the congress in disrespect, like their guy. They just don't like the other guys.

Of course you can fire them collectively. One way to look at it is just vote incumbants out

[Sergeant Gleed]

Most everybody at the time. You'd call trump a con wouldn't you? Yet he may break obama's spending and debt records.

Am I supposed to answer ignorant people who just admit that they have no clue who controls the spending in the US budget?

Trump's refusal to support your party's eagerness to murder every baby born and unborn is sufficient conservative credit for Trump.

Then there's his desire to reverse the Invasion you people have been supporting for decades now.

[Sergeant Gleed]

What do you think socialism is?

The mother of fascism and communism and moronism.

[Tahuyaman]

Of course you can fire them collectively. One way to look at it is just vote incumbants out
The only incumbant you can vote out is your own. Most people are satisfied with their representatives. They aren't satisfied with yours and that makes no difference.

[Sergeant Gleed]

The only incumbant you can vote out is your own. Most people are satisfied with their representatives. They aren't satisfied with yours and that makes no difference.

If enough Americans in California throw away their Census, they can delete the seats of several incumbents.

[donttread]

Am I supposed to answer ignorant people who just admit that they have no clue who controls the spending in the US budget?

Trump's refusal to support your party's eagerness to murder every baby born and unborn is sufficient conservative credit for Trump.

Then there's his desire to reverse the Invasion you people have been supporting for decades now.


Yes , yes the old "congress control spending" and then turn around and support a presidential candidate who swears he will decrease spending. And I'm the ignorant one? LMAO.
BTW, has not Mr. Trump spent taxpayer money or moved it around without congressional approval?

[Peter1469]

Yes , yes the old "congress control spending" and then turn around and support a presidential candidate who swears he will decrease spending. And I'm the ignorant one? LMAO.
BTW, has not Mr. Trump spent taxpayer money or moved it around without congressional approval?
Not yet. He tried once and a court said no. Follow the correct procedures.

[Captdon]

Am I supposed to answer ignorant people who just admit that they have no clue who controls the spending in the US budget?

Trump's refusal to support your party's eagerness to murder every baby born and unborn is sufficient conservative credit for Trump.

Then there's his desire to reverse the Invasion you people have been supporting for decades now.

Trump signed all the spending bills. He's no better than anyone else.

[Captdon]

You: We haven't reached a Civil War mood yet.
Me: How do you know?

After the right mood is set all that is needed is a spark. You don't know. No one does. Once the event that begins the civil war occurs it will be obvious to all that we had reached a civil war mood. Until then no one will know.

The mood isn't set. It's obvious to anyone but you. There is no possible spark that would set off a civil war today. Down the road is down the road.

[Captdon]

Anything can appear obvious after the fact.

It is still a fact. There is nothing going on today to compare to the Civil War and the lead up to it. It can change but there is no sign of that yet. People are divided but few want violence- yet.

[Captdon]

How about if you give yourself one and THINK about what you say before you say anything at all.

This isn't the Hole. Crawl back there.

[Captdon]

Well, I tried. So much for that.

Estate him. He'll go nuts.

[Captdon]

Yes, concur.

Even if we don't get into a shooting war, we absolutely are in a soft civil war. Destruction of your enemy by any means...sans bullets.

Oh, the "civil war is tomorrow gang" isn't talking about a soft war.

[Captdon]

So you don't know what socialism is.

I know what both are. You don't. You are throwing around words just to throw them around. Socialism is nothing like slavery. Nothing.

[Captdon]

Who are the liars that called Bush (either) a conservative?

The same ones who called Reagan one as he spent money as if we had any. A conservative increasing the debt by 186% means we haven't had a Conservative President since Hoover or, maybe, Coolidge.

[Captdon]

And the only way to do that is to let them know you are ready to fire them collectively. Think about it, the donkephant gets 95% of the votes cast regardless of how horrible they are at their jobs. If we started electing third parties to congress and in local elections they would get the message.
But reform does not happen without consequences for actions.

While that's true, it isn't going to happen. Stealing the Republican Party is possible.

[Peter1469]

The same ones who called Reagan one as he spent money as if we had any. A conservative increasing the debt by 186% means we haven't had a Conservative President since Hoover or, maybe, Coolidge.

Coolidge.
Reagan tried, but the Dems lied to him.

[donttread]

I know what both are. You don't. You are throwing around words just to throw them around. Socialism is nothing like slavery. Nothing.

Captdon you are wrong. Socialism has been redefined to mean "political ideas that I don't like"

[MisterVeritis]

It is still a fact. There is nothing going on today to compare to the Civil War and the lead up to it. It can change but there is no sign of that yet. People are divided but few want violence- yet.
You do not know what you are talking about. Maybe you should get out more.

[MisterVeritis]

It is still a fact. There is nothing going on today to compare to the Civil War and the lead up to it. It can change but there is no sign of that yet. People are divided but few want violence- yet.
Fifteen years prior to the start between the war between the northern and southern nations the mood was building. The Presidential election was the spark. You don't have any idea how many people want to end the conflict, using as much violence as is necessary.

[donttread]

Fifteen years prior to the start between the war between the northern and southern nations the mood was building. The Presidential election was the spark. You don't have any idea how many people want to end the conflict, using as much violence as is necessary.

Do you have any idea how many people are pathetically apathetic? Walk down the street and tell me how many of those people would stand against the National Gaurd for any reason?

[MisterVeritis]

Oh, the "civil war is tomorrow gang" isn't talking about a soft war.
My assessment is civil war sometime after 2025.
The 2020 census will irreparably shift the balance of power to the Democrat party for the Presidential election and majority in the House of Representatives. All it will take is a shift of Senate control to the Democrats.

The Democrats have told us what they plan. They plan to steal all the wealth people like me have accumulated and invested. They plan to increase hate crimes, making it a crime to be a straight white male. They plan to confiscate weapons.

[MisterVeritis]

Do you have any idea how many people are pathetically apathetic? Walk down the street and tell me how many of those people would stand against the National Gaurd for any reason?
No one will be standing against the national guard. Tht is not how civil wars begin nor how they are fought.

Think in terms of the murders of activist judges, administration officials, sheriffs, university professors...

[Captdon]

Coolidge.
Reagan tried, but the Dems lied to him.

Reagan never asked for a balanced budget. You have to go back to Coolidge. It was a different nation then. We have so much time to get it right or we collapse and take the world with us.

[Captdon]

Captdon you are wrong. Socialism has been redefined to mean "political ideas that I don't like"

It still isn't anything like slavery.

[Captdon]

You do not know what you are talking about. Maybe you should get out more.

You live on dreams. What is going on today has nothing in common with the 1850"s.

[Captdon]

Fifteen years prior to the start between the war between the northern and southern nations the mood was building. The Presidential election was the spark. You don't have any idea how many people want to end the conflict, using as much violence as is necessary.

Neither do you. You assume you know.

[donttread]

Someone will burn you. You are too anti-American to escape notice.

How can such a Constitutionally driven person such as yourself not see that seeing monsterous problems in your government and speaking out about them is not only NOT anti-American, it's patriotic. It's my civic duty

[donttread]

No one will be standing against the national guard. Tht is not how civil wars begin nor how they are fought.

Think in terms of the murders of activist judges, administration officials, sheriffs, university professors...

So what any out gunned resistance does. But when it is done against us it is considered terrorism.? Don't you think riots and even battles would occur eventually?

[Peter1469]

Reagan never asked for a balanced budget. You have to go back to Coolidge. It was a different nation then. We have so much time to get it right or we collapse and take the world with us.
He asked for spending cuts. Dems said yes. No spending cuts came.

[MisterVeritis]

You live on dreams. What is going on today has nothing in common with the 1850"s.
It is not called dreams. It is called analysis. Not that it matters. You will always miss the point. One day, if you live long enough, you will wonder what happened.

[MisterVeritis]

Fifteen years prior to the start between the war between the northern and southern nations the mood was building. The Presidential election was the spark. You don't have any idea how many people want to end the conflict, using as much violence as is necessary.

Neither do you. You assume you know.
I pay attention. I commend the practice to you.

[MisterVeritis]

How can such a Constitutionally driven person such as yourself not see that seeing monsterous problems in your government and speaking out about them is not only NOT anti-American, it's patriotic. It's my civic duty
I am not the one who is rabidly anti-American. You are.

[Private Pickle]

I am not the one who is rabidly anti-American. You are.
You didn’t answer his question. It’s a valid one.

[MisterVeritis]

So what any out gunned resistance does. But when it is done against us it is considered terrorism.? Don't you think riots and even battles would occur eventually?
Yes. The details are boring.

At some point small team actions become squad-sized actions. Meanwhile, participants create paramilitary forces. Eventually, near the end all sides will join in classic military on military battles. Some civil wars last long enough for fathers to pass down the war to their sons.

[MisterVeritis]

You didn’t answer his question. It’s a valid one.
Ask it in your own words.

[Private Pickle]

Ask it in your own words.

If we don’t exercise our rights we lose them. It is a Constitutionally protected right to question our government. It is undeniable that our government is riddled with issues. As such questioning our government is not only a right but our duty as citizens. Why is questioning our government a bad thing?

[MisterVeritis]

If we don’t exercise our rights we lose them. It is a Constitutionally protected right to question our government. It is undeniable that our government is riddled with issues. As such questioning our government is not only a right but our duty as citizens. Why is questioning our government a bad thing?
No one said it was.

[Private Pickle]

No one said it was.

Fair enough. So my follow up is why did you answer his post with a you hate America vs. just saying you disagreed with his premise?