John McCain is concerned about the deaths of only 4 Americans, not 2989 Americans

[Cigar]

During his weekly Sunday TV talking rounds ... Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) levied a series of wild accusations Sunday morning when discussing the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi last September, accusing the Obama Administration of perpetrating a “massive coverup” and NBC’s David Gregory of not caring about the death of American diplomats.

McCain’s outburst came after Gregory asked McCain what, exactly, the Administration was covering up. Taking umbrage at Gregory’s skepticism, the Arizona senator grew confrontational:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLuIo2_CfuE&feature=player_embedded

Senator John McCain is such a regular on Meet the Press they put a cot out for him to sleep on the set. Again today, another appearance for McCain on MSNBC’s with more blathering about his nonsensical comments about Benghazi.

However if you dig deeper into John McCain’s own involvement, he had much to do with arming the very rebel forces, that included terrorists groups in the name of ousting Muammar Gaddafi leading up to the Benghazi attack.

If the truth were told, John McCain, Joe Lieberman and Lindsey Graham made many trips to Libya pushing arms to the rebel terrorists that ultimately killed four Americans. John McCain was itching to get involved in Libya claiming the US would free the country of dictator Gaddafi but before that, McCain visited Gaddafi with the purpose of selling him arms and weapons. This makes people really think of how twisted McCain’s outrage is on the Benghazi attacks when he was promoting arming the rebels in the first place.

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In the above photo, Sen. McCain is seen with the late Ambassador Chris Stevens, marching through the streets pushing arms, weapons, cash and politically involving himself in a budding rebellion.

US Ambassador to Libya, Christopher Stevens is seen on the right hand side in the photograph with the blue tie. McCain wanted to arm rebels many of which were in violent extremist groups including Al-Qaeda. If you look closely at the way Ambassador Stevens is looking at John McCain the photo tells it all.

read more: http://www.politicolnews.com/john-mccain-promoting-arming-rebels-and-terrorists-in-benghazi-libya/

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John McCain’s Secret Meetings with Benghazi Terrorists - http://networkedblogs.com/IpqOu


So John Boy ... if you're keeping score ... here's the tally thus far. Don't you think the American People need to know everything?

Under George W Bush


Colin Powell 2001 through 2005
Condoleezza Rice 2005 through 2009



2001 New York, United States = 2958 Killed
2002 US Consulate in Pakistan = 10 Killed
2004 Embassy on Uzberkistan = 2 Killed
2004 US Consulate in Saudi Arabia = 8 Killed
2006 US Consulate in Syria = 1 Killed
2008 Embassy in Yemen = 10 Killed

Total = 2989

Under Barack Obama


Hilary Clinton



2012 US US Consulate in Benghazi = 4 Killed

[Peter1469]

The real Benghazi issue is that the regime with the assistance of the MSM covered up the issue during the election. Had the truth been told from the beginning, the election results would have been different.

On edit: numbers, not necessarily result.

[keymanjim]

Under George W Bush

Colin Powell 2001 through 2005
Condoleezza Rice 2005 through 2009

2001 New York, United States = 2958 Killed
2002 US Consulate in Pakistan = 10 Killed
2004 Embassy on Uzberkistan = 2 Killed
2004 US Consulate in Saudi Arabia = 8 Killed
2006 US Consulate in Syria = 1 Killed
2008 Embassy in Yemen = 10 Killed
Total = 2989

Show us where and when anybody lied about why they died.

[Cigar]

Show us where and when anybody lied about why they died.

This show should be a deniers dream ... on tonight :grin:

"Hubris": New Documentary Reexamines the Iraq War "Hoax"A decade ago, on March 19, 2003, President George W. Bush launched the invasion of Iraq that would lead to a nine-year war resulting in 4,486 dead American troops, 32,226 service members wounded, and over 100,000 dead Iraqi civilians. The tab for the war topped $3 trillion. Bush did succeed in removing Saddam Hussein, but it turned out there were no weapons of mass destruction and no significant operational ties between Saddam's regime and Al Qaeda. That is, the two main assertions used by Bush and his crew to justify the war were not true. Three years after the war began, Michael Isikoff, then an investigative reporter for Newsweek (he's since moved to NBC News), and I published Hubris: The Inside Story of Spin, Scandal, and the Selling of the Iraq War (http://www.amazon.com/Hubris-Inside-Story-Scandal-Selling/dp/030734682X), a behind-the-scenes account of how Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, and their lieutenants deployed false claims, iffy intelligence, and unsupported hyperbole to win popular backing for the invasion.

One chilling moment in the film comes in an interview with retired General Anthony Zinni, a former commander in chief of US Central Command. In August 2002, the Bush-Cheney administration opened its propaganda campaign for war with a Cheney speech at the annual Veterans of Foreign Wars convention. The veep made a stark declaration: "There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." No doubt, he proclaimed, Saddam was arming himself with WMD in preparation for attacking the United States.
Zinni was sitting on the stage during the speech, and in the documentary he recalls his reaction:

It was a shock. It was a total shock. I couldn't believe the vice president was saying this, you know? In doing work with the CIA on Iraq WMD, through all the briefings I heard at Langley, I never saw one piece of credible evidence that there was an ongoing program. And that's when I began to believe they're getting serious about this. They wanna go into Iraq.
That Zinni quote should almost end the debate on whether the Bush-Cheney administration purposefully guided the nation into war with misinformation and disinformation.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/02/hubris-rachel-maddow-documentary-iraq-war-david-corn

[Cigar]

The real Benghazi issue is that the regime with the assistance of the MSM covered up the issue during the election. Had the truth been told from the beginning, the election results would have been different.

On edit: numbers, not necessarily result.

Exactly what was covered up?

[Peter1469]

Exactly what was covered up?


During the election cycle the official story was that the attack was a spontaneous event out of rage over a silly Youtube video. That was what your mother and mine would call a lie.

The CIA was funneling weapons through there. Al Qaeda was a major party of the Libyan resistance. We knew it, and we loaned them our air power during their civil war. We had combat power within an hour to an hour and a half from the consulate. Had the American people known the truth about that night, the election would have turned out differently- enough to make a difference? I don' know.

Furthermore, the MSM is 100% complicit in the cover up.

[Cigar]

During the election cycle the official story was that the attack was a spontaneous event out of rage over a silly Youtube video. That was what your mother and mine would call a lie.

The CIA was funneling weapons through there. Al Qaeda was a major party of the Libyan resistance. We knew it, and we loaned them our air power during their civil war. We had combat power within an hour to an hour and a half from the consulate. Had the American people known the truth about that night, the election would have turned out differently- enough to make a difference? I don' know.

Furthermore, the MSM is 100% complicit in the cover up.

I heard numerous speculations from numerous sources from both within he Administration and outside the Administration.

The only thing that was consistent, was at the end of each and every speculation, was from the OFFICIAL White House spokesman ...

CARNEY: It's too early for us to make that judgment . I think -- I know that this is being investigated, and we're working with the Libyan government to investigate the incident. So I would not want to speculate on that at this time.

I want to be careful about making statements that are based on speculation about this incident and its causes. It's under investigation, obviously, and as we find out information that can be made available I'm sure we will.

Attorney General Holder Cut Trip Short To Manage FBI's Libya Probe. On September 13, the Associated Press reported that Attorney General Eric Holder ended a trip to the Middle East early, skipping stops in Saudi Arabia and Turkey, to return to the U.S. to manage the investigation. The AP wrote, "The attorney general's change in plans followed remarks he made Thursday in Doha, Qatar, that the FBI has opened a full investigation into the deaths and the attack on the consulate."

Ambassador Rice: "I Do Think It's Important For The American People To Know Our Best Current Assessment." On September 16 during Fox News Sunday, U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice noted that the investigation into the Benghazi violence was ongoing and briefed host Chris Wallace on the latest information:


WALLACE: Let's talk about the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi this week that killed four Americans including Ambassador Chris Stevens. A top Libyan official now says that the attack on that consulate, on Tuesday, was quote, his words: "Pre-planned." Al-Qaeda says the operation was revenge for our killing a top Al-Qaeda leader.

RICE: Well, first of all, Chris, we are obviously investigating this very closely. The FBI has a lead in this investigation. The information, the best information and the best assessment we have today is that in fact this was not a preplanned, premeditated attack. That what happened initially was that it was a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired in Cairo as a consequence of the video. People gathered outside the embassy and then it grew very violent. Those with extremist ties joined the fray and came with heavy weapons, which unfortunately are quite common in post-revolutionary Libya and that then spun out of control.

But we don't see at this point signs this was a coordinated plan, premeditated attack. Obviously, we will wait for the results of the investigation and we don't want to jump to conclusions before then. But I do think it's important for the American people to know our best current assessment.

Director Of National Counterterrorism Center Testified At Senate Committee Hearing About The Attack. On September 19, director of the National Counterterrorism Center Matt Olsen informed lawmakers about information obtained in the investigation. From The Washington Post:
No Conspiracy, No Lies, No Coverup!

The U.S. ambassador and three other Americans killed last week in Libya died "in the course of a terrorist attack," a senior U.S. intelligence official told lawmakers Wednesday.

Matthew Olsen, director of the National Counterterrorism Center, repeated earlier statements by the Obama administration that initial conclusions do not point to a planned assault. Instead, he said, "the facts that we have now indicate that ts was an opportunistic attack," in which heavily armed militants took advantage of an ongoing demonstration at the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi.

But Olsen went beyond those conclusions to say that the people involved in the violent assault appeared to have come from several militant groups, including localized extremists in eastern Libya as well as affiliates of al-Qaeda.

"The picture that is emerging is one where a number of different individuals were involved, so it's not necessarily an either/or proposition," Olsen told a hearing of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton: State Dept. Launching Independent Inquiry Into Consulate Attacks. From The Washington Post:

The State Department is opening a new inquiry into the attack on a diplomatic post in Libya that killed four Americans, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said Thursday.


The inquiry announced by Clinton will be carried out by an independent four-member panel chaired by retired diplomat Thomas Pickering. The panel, required by law, will look at whether security procedures were adequate at the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi and make recommendations to the secretary of state. Pickering was once the boss of U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens, who was killed in the Benghazi attack last week, along with another diplomat and two security personnel.

http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/09/26/myths-and-facts-about-the-benghazi-attack-and-p/190150#c

[keymanjim]

I heard numerous speculations from numerous sources from both within he Administration and outside the Administration.

Two weeks after the attack obama stood before the un and said the attack was the result of some obscure video.

TWO WEEKS!

[Cigar]

Two weeks after the attack obama stood before the un and said the attack was the result of some obscure video.

TWO WEEKS!

Ok ...so now they know it was misdiagnosed ...

It sure wasn't the first time a President was wrong before an full investigation ... right?

[keymanjim]

Ok ...so now they know it was misdiagnosed ...

It sure wasn't the first time a President was wrong before an full investigation ... right?
Two weeks after the attack he was still blaming it on the video. Why did it take more than two weeks to find out that the video had nothing to do with it? Is he so far out of the loop that they didn't tell, him?
Or, was he lying?

[Cigar]

Two weeks after the attack he was still blaming it on the video. Why did it take more than two weeks to find out that the video had nothing to do with it? Is he so far out of the loop that they didn't tell, him?
Or, was he lying?

So ...he could have blamed Mickey Mouse 2 weeks later and it wouldn't have changed the fact that were was an investigation going on to to find out the truth.

Hell ... everyone was speculating on the if Dorner was really in the Cabin 2 days after it burned down.

[keymanjim]

So ...he could have blamed Mickey Mouse 2 weeks later and it wouldn't have changed the fact that were was an investigation going on to to find out the truth.

Hell ... everyone was speculating on the if Dorner was really in the Cabin 2 days after it burned down.
If there was an ongoing investigation then why mention it at all?
The speech he was making was about the death of Ambassador Stevens. Are you saying that two weeks after his murder obama didn't know that the video had nothing to do with it?
Or, was he lying? I don't see a third choice.

[Cigar]

If there was an ongoing investigation then why mention it at all?
The speech he was making was about the death of Ambassador Stevens. Are you saying that two weeks after his murder obama didn't know that the video had nothing to do with it?
Or, was he lying? I don't see a third choice.

So are you saying, every time someone speculates, if their speculations turns out to be wrong ... then they were really lying in the first place.

So I suggest, the next time something like this happens ... the White House should say nothing until an investigation is complete and that should satisfy Republicans ... right?

[keymanjim]

So are you saying, every time someone speculates, if their speculations turns out to be wrong ... then they were really lying in the first place.

So I suggest, the next time something like this happens ... the White House should say nothing until an investigation is complete and that should satisfy Republicans ... right?
Obama has at his disposal the largest intelligence gathering apparatus in the world. If he didn't know two weeks (two days, two hours) after the attack that the video had nothing to do with it then he is clueless.
Or, he did know and he was lying.
Which is it? Clueless or lying?

[Cigar]

Obama has at his disposal the largest intelligence gathering apparatus in the world. If he didn't know two weeks (two days, two hours) after the attack that the video had nothing to do with it then he is clueless.
Or, he did know and he was lying.
Which is it? Clueless or lying?

That largest disposal of intelligence gathering apparatus in the world got OBL ... when another Administration couldn't.

Can't have it both ways sport.

[keymanjim]

That largest disposal of intelligence gathering apparatus in the world got OBL ... when another Administration couldn't.

Can't have it both ways sport.
But didn't know that the video didn't have anything to do with the Benghazi attack?

Can't have it both ways. sport.

[Cigar]

But didn't know that the video didn't have anything to do with the Benghazi attack?

Can't have it both ways. sport.

Correct ... The Administration should have said "nothing" until they knew what exactly happened ... no matter how many times McCain when on Sunday Talk Shows demanding answers.

[keymanjim]

Correct ... The Administration should have said "nothing" until they knew what exactly happened ... no matter how many times McCain when on Sunday Talk Shows demanding answers.
If he didn't go before the un and lie about the video being the cause of the attack then fewer people would be asking questions about it.
But, he did. And, they are.

[Cigar]

If he didn't go before the un and lie about the video being the cause of the attack then fewer people would be asking questions about it.
But, he did. And, they are.

Ok so under the New Republicans Rules, "anytime" someone incorrectly speculates before a full and complete investigation is completed ... they are liars.

Let's make sure that Rules is followed for now on.

Because the previous Administration made the largest speculation in the history of America ... and they were NEVER held to the type of scrutiny now being held for Obama.

So just be careful what you ask for.

[Carygrant]

When time creates a perspective , Benghazi will come back to haunt Republicans .
A great many Americans will remain disgusted at the witch hunt they tried to create but are so abysmally failing to achieve .
The behaviour of many Americans falls close to Un- American activity .

[Cigar]

When time creates a perspective , Benghazi will come back to haunt Republicans .
A great many Americans will remain disgusted at the witch hunt they tried to create but are so abysmally failing to achieve .
The behaviour of many Americans falls close to Un- American activity .

It's a Political Hail-marry for Republicans ... they lost two elections and they are doubling down on stupid.

Its going to cost them a 3rd.

[Peter1469]

Correct ... The Administration should have said "nothing" until they knew what exactly happened ... no matter how many times McCain when on Sunday Talk Shows demanding answers.

True.

Also, the MSM should have reported fairly about it.

[keymanjim]

Ok so under the New Republicans Rules, "anytime" someone incorrectly speculates before a full and complete investigation is completed ... they are liars.

No. Liars are liars.
Obama knew two weeks after the attack that the video had nothing to do with it. But, to say that alqueda was behind the attack would have shot down the whole 'obama got osama' meme.
So, when obama stood before the un and said that the video caused the attack, he wasn't speculating.
He was lying.

[Cigar]

No. Liars are liars.
Obama knew two weeks after the attack that the video had nothing to do with it. But, to say that alqueda was behind the attack would have shot down the whole 'obama got osama' meme.
So, when obama stood before the un and said that the video caused the attack, he wasn't speculating.
He was lying.


You have some inside information the rest of us don't?

[keymanjim]

You have some inside information the rest of us don't?
The rest of us already have that information. You're the only one that doesn't.

[Cigar]

True.

Also, the MSM should have reported fairly about it.


We know for a fact, all the people who knew exactly what happened, where killed.

Everyone else where not eye witnesses and thus gave their own account on what happened.

We know for a fact, The President, Susan Rice and Hillary Clinton where not there during the shooting. So the only thing they could do is speculate, because the investigation took months.

[Cigar]

The rest of us already have that information. You're the only one that doesn't.


Did you get your information from anyplace other than the media?

[keymanjim]

Did you get your information from anyplace other than the media?
Yes. But, do you?
Who is pumping sunshine up your butt?

[Cigar]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/19484/large/mccain_comedy_central.jpg?1361156179

"There are so many answers we don't know," McCain told host David Gregory. "We've had two movies about getting bin Laden and we don't even know who the people were who were evacuated from the consulate the day after the attack. So there are many, many questions. So we've had a massive cover-up on the part of the administration."

Pressed by Gregory on what he meant by “a massive cover-up”, McCain could only sputter, “I'm asking you, do you care whether four Americans died? And shouldn't people be held accountable for the fact that four Americans died?"

"Well, what you said was the cover-up -- a cover-up of what?" Gregory pressed on.

"Of the information concerning the deaths of four brave Americans," McCain replied. "The information has not been forthcoming. You obviously believe that it has. I know that it hasn't. And I'll be glad to send you a list of the questions that have not been answered, including 'What did the president do and who did he talk to the night of the attack on Benghazi?'"

_______

Where was all that concern for our men and women serving in embassies and consulates across the globe when these other attacks and killings occurred?

June 14, 2002, Karachi, Pakistan - A truck with a fertilizer bomb driven by a suicide bomber was detonated outside the United States consulate. Twelve people were killed and 51 injured, all Pakistanis.

Calls for congressional investigation: none.

February 20, 2003, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia – A truck bomb detonated in front of an international diplomatic compound kills 20, seven of them Americans.

Calls for congressional investigation: none.

February 28, 2003, Karachi, Pakistan – Motorcycle-riding gunmen killed two police officers and wounded five other officers and a civilian in front of the U.S. consulate.

Calls for congressional investigation: none.

March 15, 2004, Karachi, Pakistan – Pakistani police discovered and disarmed a van filled with nearly 200 gallons of liquid explosives hooked up to a timer and two detonators parked in front of the U.S. consulate.

Calls for congressional investigation: none.

July 30, 2004, Tashkent, Uzbekistan - Suicide bombers struck at the entrances of the U.S. and Israeli embassies. Two Uzbek security guards were killed in each bombing.

Calls for congressional investigation: none.

December 6, 2004, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia – Armed militants stormed the American Consulate, breaching the compound's outer wall. A Yemeni, a Sudanese, a Filipino, a Pakistani and a Sri Lankan—all employees of the consulate—were killed by gunfire, and about ten others were wounded.

Calls for congressional investigation: none.

March 2, 2006, Karachi, Pakistan - A suicide car bomb killed four people and injured thirty outside the Marriott Hotel, 20 yards from the U.S. Consulate. Among the dead was David Foy, an American diplomat and three Pakistanis. It appears that Foy was the direct target of the bomber, who detonated his vehicle in the car park behind the consulate as Foy arrived.

Calls for congressional investigation: none.

September 12, 2006, Damascus, Syria - Gunmen tossed grenades over the perimeter walls of the U.S. Embassy before opening fire with automatic weapons. A car bomb was detonated outside the embassy, although a truck bomb filled with pipe bombs and gas cylinders failed to explode. A Syrian security guard was killed, and thirteen people were wounded, including two security guards and a Chinese diplomat.

Calls for congressional investigation: none.

January 12, 2007, Athens, Greece - A rocket-propelled grenade was fired into the U.S. Embassy. There were no injuries.

Calls for congressional investigation: none.

October 1, 2007, Vienna, Austria – A man was prevented from entering the U.S. Embassy with a backpack full of explosives.

Calls for congressional investigation: none.

February 17, 2008, Belgrade, Serbia - A mob of 2,000 protesters vandalized the Slovenian Embassy and burned portions of the United States and Croatian Embassies.

Calls for congressional investigation: none.

March 18, 2008, Sana’a, Yemen – Three mortar rounds were fired at the U.S. embassy but missed, landing outside a nearby girls’ school. Three policemen and 13 students were wounded.

Calls for congressional investigation: none.

July 9, 2008, Istanbul, Turkey – Gunmen attacked the United States consulate killing three Turkish police officers.

Calls for congressional investigation: none.

September 17, 2008, Sana'a, Yemen – The American Embassy is attacked by assailants armed with rocket-propelled grenades, automatic rifles, grenades and car bombs. A 20-minute battle results in 13 deaths and 16 injuries. Six members of the Yemeni security forces and seven civilians, including one American, were killed in the attack, and sixteen people were wounded.

Calls for congressional investigation: none.

Quotes I could readily find from John McCain pertaining to any of these 15 incidents: zero. And I spent the better part of a day combing through the newspaper archives.

Frankly, I would not have called for a congressional investigation of any of these attacks either. The United States has 275 embassies and consulates around the world, and it’s patently absurd to expect the president - any president - to be personally involved in the security arrangements for each one of them, even those that might be perceived as being at greater risk than others. The United States it at war. We have enemies everywhere. The world is too full of terrorists, militants and just plain fanatics to even pretend we can guarantee the complete safety of any American mission or diplomatic employee. We do the best we can with what we have, and, all things considered, we're doing pretty well.

Of course, it would easier if some of the most willful enemies of national security were not right here at home. House Republicans, out of purely partisan spite, cut the Obama administration’s request for embassy security funding by $128 million in 2011, and $331 million in 2012. It takes some mighty big cojones to cut funding for diplomatic security and then try to exploit a tragedy resulting from weakened security at a diplomatic post.

So, let it go, Senator McCain. Perpetuating this hypocritical and baseless witch hunt is not only disrespectful to all those who lost their lives defending our diplomatic missions abroad, but an embarrassment to yourself, your party and your country.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/02/18/1187897/-Dear-Senator-McCain-STFU


Mr McCain ... I respectfully request that you Shut The Fuck UP!

[patrickt]

What four deaths, Cigar? Surely you got the talking points from the White House directing you to refer to any alleged deaths as "bumps in the road".

Remember, the issue with Watergate wasn't the petty burglary but the presidential cover-up.

[Carygrant]

You have some inside information the rest of us don't?


Confirmation bias .
Is there a link between Jim and alQaeda ?

[Cigar]

What four deaths, Cigar? Surely you got the talking points from the White House directing you to refer to any alleged deaths as "bumps in the road".

Remember, the issue with Watergate wasn't the petty burglary but the presidential cover-up.

Can you please provide the link where I insinuated "bumps in the road".

Take your time ...while you're at it ... care to address all those other deaths?

Take your time on that also ...

[Agravan]

No one lied about those other deaths.

[keymanjim]

Where was all that concern for our men and women serving in embassies and consulates across the globe when these other attacks and killings occurred?

June 14, 2002, Karachi, Pakistan - A truck with a fertilizer bomb driven by a suicide bomber was detonated outside the United States consulate. Twelve people were killed and 51 injured, all Pakistanis.

Calls for congressional investigation: none.

February 20, 2003, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia – A truck bomb detonated in front of an international diplomatic compound kills 20, seven of them Americans.

Calls for congressional investigation: none.

February 28, 2003, Karachi, Pakistan – Motorcycle-riding gunmen killed two police officers and wounded five other officers and a civilian in front of the U.S. consulate.

Calls for congressional investigation: none.

March 15, 2004, Karachi, Pakistan – Pakistani police discovered and disarmed a van filled with nearly 200 gallons of liquid explosives hooked up to a timer and two detonators parked in front of the U.S. consulate.

Calls for congressional investigation: none.

July 30, 2004, Tashkent, Uzbekistan - Suicide bombers struck at the entrances of the U.S. and Israeli embassies. Two Uzbek security guards were killed in each bombing.

Calls for congressional investigation: none.

December 6, 2004, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia – Armed militants stormed the American Consulate, breaching the compound's outer wall. A Yemeni, a Sudanese, a Filipino, a Pakistani and a Sri Lankan—all employees of the consulate—were killed by gunfire, and about ten others were wounded.

Calls for congressional investigation: none.

March 2, 2006, Karachi, Pakistan - A suicide car bomb killed four people and injured thirty outside the Marriott Hotel, 20 yards from the U.S. Consulate. Among the dead was David Foy, an American diplomat and three Pakistanis. It appears that Foy was the direct target of the bomber, who detonated his vehicle in the car park behind the consulate as Foy arrived.

Calls for congressional investigation: none.

September 12, 2006, Damascus, Syria - Gunmen tossed grenades over the perimeter walls of the U.S. Embassy before opening fire with automatic weapons. A car bomb was detonated outside the embassy, although a truck bomb filled with pipe bombs and gas cylinders failed to explode. A Syrian security guard was killed, and thirteen people were wounded, including two security guards and a Chinese diplomat.

Calls for congressional investigation: none.

January 12, 2007, Athens, Greece - A rocket-propelled grenade was fired into the U.S. Embassy. There were no injuries.

Calls for congressional investigation: none.

October 1, 2007, Vienna, Austria – A man was prevented from entering the U.S. Embassy with a backpack full of explosives.

Calls for congressional investigation: none.

February 17, 2008, Belgrade, Serbia - A mob of 2,000 protesters vandalized the Slovenian Embassy and burned portions of the United States and Croatian Embassies.

Calls for congressional investigation: none.

March 18, 2008, Sana’a, Yemen – Three mortar rounds were fired at the U.S. embassy but missed, landing outside a nearby girls’ school. Three policemen and 13 students were wounded.

Calls for congressional investigation: none.

July 9, 2008, Istanbul, Turkey – Gunmen attacked the United States consulate killing three Turkish police officers.

Calls for congressional investigation: none.

September 17, 2008, Sana'a, Yemen – The American Embassy is attacked by assailants armed with rocket-propelled grenades, automatic rifles, grenades and car bombs. A 20-minute battle results in 13 deaths and 16 injuries. Six members of the Yemeni security forces and seven civilians, including one American, were killed in the attack, and sixteen people were wounded.

Calls for congressional investigation: none.

What videos were those deaths attributed to?

[Peter1469]

McCain did give a speech in Libya after their civil war where he said that there were no al Qaeda in Libya. And there was an al Qaeda flag flying over the building he gave that interview in front of.

[BB-35]

Obama has at his disposal the largest intelligence gathering apparatus in the world. If he didn't know two weeks (two days, two hours) after the attack that the video had nothing to do with it then he is clueless.
Or, he did know and he was lying.
Which is it? Clueless or lying?
Why not both?

[BB-35]

When time creates a perspective , Benghazi will come back to haunt Republicans .
A great many Americans will remain disgusted at the witch hunt they tried to create but are so abysmally failing to achieve .
The behaviour of many Americans falls close to Un- American activity .
Oh bull****...you're one of those that are enthralled by your own self importance,aren't you?

[Cigar]

No one lied about those other deaths.

So you've had the trial and conviction already.

So if someone gave you information, second, third or forth-hand ... and you gave your suggestions, assumptions or speculations and admitted that those are just that; suggestions, assumptions or speculations ... then you're making statements based on facts ... correct?

If that's true ... then why was there an investigation ordered if all the information was known and you understood it as factual information?

[Cigar]

McCain did give a speech in Libya after their civil war where he said that there were no al Qaeda in Libya. And there was an al Qaeda flag flying over the building he gave that interview in front of.

There was a montage given last week (and no I'm not going to bother searching for it) of John McCain's War predictions.

Needless to say ... he need to STFU

[killianr1]

The State department watched the attack from live feed. They knew it was not a demonstration that got out of hand.

But as Hillary said, "What difference does it make?" As you yourself say, it was only four Americans.

Forget that the American public was lied to. "What difference does it make?"

[Cigar]

The State department watched the attack from live feed. They knew it was not a demonstration that got out of hand.

But as Hillary said, "What difference does it make?" As you yourself say, it was only four Americans.

Forget that the American public was lied to. "What difference does it make?"

That's already been proven to be Bull Shit ... :smiley_ROFLMAO:

[Cigar]

The State department watched the attack from live feed. They knew it was not a demonstration that got out of hand.

But as Hillary said, "What difference does it make?" As you yourself say, it was only four Americans.

Forget that the American public was lied to. "What difference does it make?"




Zinni was sitting on the stage during the speech, and in the documentary he recalls his reaction:





It was a shock. It was a total shock. I couldn't believe the vice president was saying this, you know? In doing work with the CIA on Iraq WMD, through all the briefings I heard at Langley, I never saw one piece of credible evidence that there was an ongoing program. And that's when I began to believe they're getting serious about this. They wanna go into Iraq.



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[killianr1]

Get up off the floor or not

What difference does it make?

[killianr1]

The White House and the State Department watched, in real time from an overhead drone, (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2220153/Christopher-Stevens-Ambassador-pleaded-extra-security-Libya-hours-killed.html) live video of the attack and did nothing. They did nothing to help those Americans under attack, those Americans who ended up dead.


http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/the_rumble/2012/10/press-obama-on-benghazi

What difference does it make?

He's above the law. Right?

[keymanjim]

Zinni was...t
Who is Zinni?

[killianr1]

I assume he is speaking of Gen Anthony Zinni

[Alif Qadr]

What ever happened to L. Paul Bremmer?

According to a source, this is what happened to L. Paul Bremmer


Bremer currently serves as Chairman of the Advisory Board for GlobalSecure Corporation (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=GlobalSecure_Corporation&action=edit&redlink=1), a company whose focus is "on securing the homeland with integrated products and services for the critical incident response community worldwide,".[22] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Paul_Bremer#cite_note-22) and on the board of directors of BlastGard International, Inc., a company located in Florida that manufactures materials to mitigate the impact of explosions. (Standard and Poor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_and_Poor)'s Register)In November 2010, Bremer joined World T.E.A.M. Sports, an Arlington, Virginia-based non-profit organization, as CEO and President. Bremer also serves as a member of the organization's board of directors.[23] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Paul_Bremer#cite_note-23)
Bremer is a member of the board of directors of the International Republican Institute (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Republican_Institute).

I can say that he did try to defuse the Iraqi situation from what I know.

[keymanjim]

I assume he is speaking of Gen Anthony Zinni
What was his involvement in the Benghazi attack?

[Alif Qadr]

What was his involvement in the Benghazi attack?

Maybe this has something to do with Benghanzi? I have no idea, I am just grasping at straws (hint hint).


General Zinni also serves on the board of Kaseman which has teamed up with Blackwater to pursue security work for the State Department(Washington Post,October 1, 2010)Since 2011, Anthony Zinni is a member of the board of the Peace Research Endowment (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Peace_Research_Endowment&action=edit&redlink=1).

:huh:

[killianr1]

I think the point that McCain is trying to make is Obama lied for his own personal gain (election).

I think Zinni is just another red herring.

[zelmo1234]

Exactly what was covered up?

The fact that it had nothing to do with the movie, we still do not know who told the troops that were going to resque the ambasitor and his staff to stand down, we do not know why the Ambasitor was never granted the additional security he asked for.

We do not know who to the UN Sec to lie and tell the world that it was about the movie, we do not know why the man that made said move is still in jail. We do not know how far up in the administration the request to rescue, and re-enfoce the security went.

As far as the movie in Iraq, the firs line is a live of nearly double the cost of both wars. And the you forgot that 2008 to 2012 was bush's fayult, so 2001 -2004 must have been Clintons fault, so all those deaths would be assigned to him.

[Agravan]

That's already been proven to be Bull Shit ... :smiley_ROFLMAO:
link?

[Private Pickle]

This entire thread is based so completely on a strawman argument it's not even worthy of notice.

[JackRuby]

Bottom line to this OP is that it's not what you do, it's who you are. That's life in everything.

Jack

[Cigar]

link?

No sport ... you Link me up

[Agravan]

No sport ... you Link me up

Ok then, so you can't provide a link to back up your assertions... no surprise there. We're just supposed to believe what you say, right, Goober?

[Cigar]

Ok then, so you can't provide a link to back up your assertions... no surprise there. We're just supposed to believe what you say, right, Goober?

Look dude ... don't you think if there was live video ... McStupid wouldn't have anymore questions?

[Agravan]

So the video would answer the question of why there was a coverup? Uh, ok.

[Cigar]

So the video would answer the question of why there was a coverup? Uh, ok.

Ok ... then give McStupid the Video so he can stop crying,

[Agravan]

1

"Retired Army Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer said Saturday he has sources saying President Barack Obama was in the room at the White House watching the assault on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya unfold.

Two unarmed U.S. drones were dispatched to the consulate and recorded the final hours of the attack, which killed U.S. Ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens and three other Americans.

“This was in the middle of the business day in Washington, so everybody at the White House, CIA, Pentagon, everybody was watching this go down,” Shaffer said on Fox News’“Justice with Judge Jeanine.”“According to my sources, yes,[Obama] was one of those in the White House Situation Room in real-time watching this.”"

[Cigar]

1

"Retired Army Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer said Saturday he has sources saying President Barack Obama was in the room at the White House watching the assault on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya unfold.

Two unarmed U.S. drones were dispatched to the consulate and recorded the final hours of the attack, which killed U.S. Ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens and three other Americans.

“This was in the middle of the business day in Washington, so everybody at the White House, CIA, Pentagon, everybody was watching this go down,” Shaffer said on Fox News’“Justice with Judge Jeanine.”“According to my sources, yes,[Obama] was one of those in the White House Situation Room in real-time watching this.”"



Then President Obama said; "let have a press conference saying this was all over a Movie; so who's not busy? Let have Susan Rice conduct the press conference".

Wow ... that was easy ... but I used quotes and bold type. :laugh:

so if everyone seen what was going on ... why are we having Congressional Meetings?

[Agravan]

He may not have used those exact words, but that's essentially what he did.

[Cigar]

This is why McStupid is McPissed at McEveryone :grin:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QlNCKLxp1c&feature=player_embedded

[JackRuby]

This is why McStupid is McPissed at McEveryone :grin:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QlNCKLxp1c&feature=player_embedded

Get off McSame's back will ya?

McJack

[Cigar]

I wonder who's going to be on the Sunday Talks shows ... again? :grin:

[Agravan]

Again, the fact that you people are in power is all that matters, right? To hell with the country, Democrats are in charge!
"By any means necessary..."

[Cigar]

Again, the fact that you people are in power is all that matters, right? To hell with the country, Democrats are in charge!

Yep ... because the alliterative sucks.

If you lose, you spend your days, nights and weekends bitching on internet forums.

Man that really Sucks.

[killianr1]

Well I think it is kinda simple. There are actually people in this country that still believe in integrity.

I am sure to many of the leftist elite it will always be "what difference does it make?" or what kind of spin can I put on this to make the left look good and those with any other point of view to look as gun toting racists, homophobes that want to return to slavery, and women to become subordinates.

The truth seems to be whatever they want it to be at time and it stays in fluid form to flatter their opinion.

For me the truth does make a difference.

[nic34]

I wonder who's going to be on the Sunday Talks shows ... again? :grin:


Grampy McSame... lives on MTP, we certainly never see him here...

But sistah Say-RAH....

The former 1/2 guv will be here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/18/sarah-palin-cpac-2013_n_2711167.html?ir=Politics

(Look at the top Palinisms.... LOL)

[JackRuby]

Again, the fact that you people are in power is all that matters, right? To hell with the country, Democrats are in charge!
"By any means necessary..."

That's the way both sides think when it comes right down to it.

Jack

[Cigar]

Well I think it is kinda simple. There are actually people in this country that still believe in integrity.

I am sure to many of the leftist elite it will always be "what difference does it make?" or what kind of spin can I put on this to make the left look good and those with any other point of view to look as gun toting racists, homophobes that want to return to slavery, and women to become subordinates.

The truth seems to be whatever they want it to be at time and it stays in fluid form to flatter their opinion.

For me the truth does make a difference.

Oh so now the truth is important toy you ... wouldn't you think the truth is important before you send Americans off to die? Or is how they died more important to you.

Weeks after the Libya attack ... The Administration said it was mean angry people who saw a really bad movie who killed Americans
Months after the Libya attacks ... We now know it was mean angry people who didn't see a really bad movie who killed Americans.

... would it be OK with you, if The President used a Drone Strike to kill these mean angry people?

Or would you prefer The Administration capture them and make them watch Reruns of The Republicans Primaries?

[Chris]

Yep ... because the alliterative sucks.

If you lose, you spend your days, nights and weekends bitching on internet forums.

Man that really Sucks.

Thus you apparently won nothing. What fantasy land you referring to where if one side wins everyone else shuts up?