This is what happens when Democrats are in control

[Alif Qadr]

DENVER (AP) — Limits on the size of ammunition magazines and universal background checks passed the Colorado House on Monday, during a second day of emotional debates that has drawn attention from the White House as lawmakers try to address recentmass shootings.The bills were among four that the Democratic-controlled House passed amid strong resistance from Republicans, who were joined by a few Democrats to make some of the votes close.
http://news.yahoo.com/colo-house-passes-gun-control-measures-211816177.html

[Chris]

The passage of ineffective feel-good laws.

[zelmo1234]

OH great more gun free zones, that has worked out well for Colorado in the past! Colombind and Aurora come to mind!

Next they can have a mass shooting on a Collage campus and then wonder why it happened.

[Cigar]

http://artzthings.com/e-pins/images/large/pres-obama2.jpg

[Chris]

Right, change for the mere, mindless sake of change.

[Cigar]

Right, change for the mere, mindless sake of change.

Get use to it ... even dead people change.

[keymanjim]

Get use to it ... even dead people change.
Yeah. At death they become voting democrats.

[Cigar]

Yeah. At death they become voting democrats.

It's all about Winning! :grin:

Don't blame me if Republicans can't recognize a dead person in a voting booth.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/18870-the-walking-dead-the-walking-dead.jpg

[Taxcutter]

Looks like OWS to me.

[Agravan]

It's all about Winning! :grin:


And this quote, friends, sums it all up for Democrats.

[Cigar]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/6839e709ca31d722863dc6088ba7852d/tumblr_mifus6qJOh1qkml81o1_500.jpg

[Chris]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/6839e709ca31d722863dc6088ba7852d/tumblr_mifus6qJOh1qkml81o1_500.jpg

Why are you now playing the race card?

I prefer lazy Presidents and Congresses and Courts.

[Mister D]

Ah, the dog whistle concept. If there isn't a shred of evidence to back up an accusation of racism just make some up! :laugh: Funny how only liberals seem to hear these whistles.

[Agravan]

Why is it that the only dog that hear these "dog-whistles" are those on the left?

[Mister D]

Why is it that the only dog that hear these "dog-whistles" are those on the left?

Memes and dog whistles. Hopefully they will wear these out soon.

[Chris]

http://i.snag.gy/qm21W.jpg

[nic34]

The sore losers are the ones that COMPLETELY AVOIDED the facts presented by the graph that the republicans took way more vacation time off than the Dems!

WOW

[Mister D]

The sore losers are the ones that COMPLETELY AVOIDED the facts presented by the graph that the republicans took way more vacation time off than the Dems!

WOW

I couldn't care less.

Do you hear these dog whistles too? You guys need to play fetch or something? :grin:

[Cigar]

The sore losers are the ones that COMPLETELY AVOIDED the facts presented by the graph that the republicans took way more vacation time off than the Dems!

WOW

Once they start their Wars and send Americans off to die ... they go on Vacation.

[Agravan]

The sore losers are the ones that COMPLETELY AVOIDED the facts presented by the graph that the republicans took way more vacation time off than the Dems!

WOW
Now, let's comapre the costs to the taxpayer of each of these vacations....

[Agravan]

Once they start their Wars and send Americans off to die ... they go on Vacation.

Please present the correlations between the start of a war and the start of their vacations...

[zelmo1234]

The sore losers are the ones that COMPLETELY AVOIDED the facts presented by the graph that the republicans took way more vacation time off than the Dems!

WOW

I can agree with this Nic and it makes for a good argument on your part, What I think the conservativea are taking issue to is that it has nothing to do with Race?

There are some things that also make a difference. Like the number of rounds of Golf that Preisdent Obama has played, or the people that he hass played Basketball with at the White House.

Reagen and Bush Jr would travel back to their homes in Cal and Texas respectivly, because their wives did not care all that much for Washington. But that is not to say that they were actually on vacations. While President Obama does not Travel back to Chicago, often, he spends more time in Washington at leasure.

It would be my opnion that the person in that job, should try and get away or at least out of the daily grind, becasue the pressure of that job has to be unbearable. Clearing ones head should help.

But everytime you disagree with this Presidents policies, you are racist, I think that is what the Forum is trying to get at, this is the second time today Cigar has played the Race card.

[nic34]

Bush was on vacation in 2001 when he should have been heeding his chief counter-terrorism adviser Richard Clarke............. not mention his Presidential Daily Briefings ....

[Cigar]

Bush was on vacation in 2001 when he should have been heeding his chief counter-terrorism adviser Richard Clarke............. not mention his Presidential Daily Briefings ....

I wonder if John McStupid has questions?

[Cigar]

I can agree with this Nic and it makes for a good argument on your part, What I think the conservativea are taking issue to is that it has nothing to do with Race?

There are some things that also make a difference. Like the number of rounds of Golf that Preisdent Obama has played, or the people that he hass played Basketball with at the White House.

Reagen and Bush Jr would travel back to their homes in Cal and Texas respectivly, because their wives did not care all that much for Washington. But that is not to say that they were actually on vacations. While President Obama does not Travel back to Chicago, often, he spends more time in Washington at leasure.

It would be my opnion that the person in that job, should try and get away or at least out of the daily grind, becasue the pressure of that job has to be unbearable. Clearing ones head should help.

But everytime you disagree with this Presidents policies, you are racist, I think that is what the Forum is trying to get at, this is the second time today Cigar has played the Race card.


I play the Cards the Dealer Deals ... before this President made one single Presidential decision, the Republican Power Brokers pledged to not work with him and mike it their number one goal to obstruct him.

Hummm ,,, so why is that?

So you call it anything you want and I'll call it the way I see it.

It's not import that you agree with me.

[zelmo1234]

Bush was on vacation in 2001 when he should have been heeding his chief counter-terrorism adviser Richard Clarke............. not mention his Presidential Daily Briefings ....

This is pretty lame, the first thing that they did was work on getting the economy going as we were intering into a revession He was President for just over 8 months when 911 took place and was reading to eoementary scholl kids when it happened.

Hell we are 4 years and one month into obamas Presidency and it is still GWB's fault, what makes you want to balme GWB in less than one year?

Also remember that there were excutive orders in place by the Clinton administration that prevent the sharing of information between departments

[zelmo1234]

I play the Cards the Dealer Deals ... before this President made one single Presidential decision, the Republican Power Brokers pledged to not work with him and mike it their number one goal to obstruct him.

Hummm ,,, so why is that?

So you call it anything you want and I'll call it the way I see it.

It's not import that you agree with me.

Could it be bacause everything that he promised to do goes against what republicans beleive. We have a lot of African Americans in the party. Some the Dems try and destroy, yet those on the left never yell racism? I wonder why?

[JackRuby]

The sore losers are the ones that COMPLETELY AVOIDED the facts presented by the graph that the republicans took way more vacation time off than the Dems!

WOW

Again nic it's not what you do it's who you are the makes it wrong or OK. Get used to it.

Jack

[Cigar]

Could it be bacause everything that he promised to do goes against what republicans beleive. We have a lot of African Americans in the party. Some the Dems try and destroy, yet those on the left never yell racism? I wonder why?

You lost an Election ... get over it

[Chris]

You lost an Election ... get over it

You won nothing, get over it. Fukuyama declared the end of history, you're declaring the end of politics, yeah, right.

[Cigar]

You won nothing, get over it. Fukuyama declared the end of history, you're declaring the end of politics, yeah, right.

Naa ... just an End to a long Run

What are Republicans going to do ... their world is getting Brown'er :grin:

[Chris]

Naa ... just an End to a long Run

What are Republicans going to do ... their world is getting Brown'er :grin:

Who cares...oh, you do, for some reason. Nothing has changed.

[zelmo1234]

You lost an Election ... get over it

You lost the election int he House! Get over it! So now it is tie for compromize, We alloed taxes to be raised, now it is time for some real cuts!

We would allow for back ground checks and closing the gun show loop hole, so it is time to drop the assualt weapons ban!

The President tried his Green energy policies, it did not work, so now lets try and expand fossil fuesl and the pipline.

that is how it works when you ahve devided government. Is there anything on this list that we can't agree on?

[nic34]

The repubs are clearly the homogenous political party.... good luck getting anywhere when you don't appeal to over 50% of voters.

Hummm, wonder if the "true" conservatives can create another party that can do better?

[zelmo1234]

Naa ... just an End to a long Run

What are Republicans going to do ... their world is getting Brown'er :grin:

You really are a racist arn't you? You just can't see beyond color?

The USA is getting broker and poorer, what are Dems going to do when the money finally runs out

[Chris]

The repubs are clearly the homogenous political party.... good luck getting anywhere when you don't appeal to over 50% of voters.

Hummm, wonder if the "true" conservatives can create another party that can do better?

Yes, Obama got somewhere appealing to 51%. Basically a fluke win against a nonentity.

Good thing we have a Constitution that guards against democratic majoritarianism.

What's a true con?

[nic34]

You lost the election int he House! Get over it! So now it is tie for compromize, We alloed taxes to be raised, now it is time for some real cuts!

Actually the repubs only held on to control, but the dems did win...

More than a month after the election, the Democrats’ popular vote lead expanded significantly. Based on current tallies, Democrats now lead Republicans 59,343,447 to 58,178,393 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjYj9mXElO_QdHZCbzJocGtxYkR6OTdZbzZwRUFvS 3c#gid=0) in total votes cast for their House candidates — meaning that the American people preferred Democrats over Republicans by nearly a full percentage point of the total vote. Yet, despite clearly losing the popular vote, Republicans will control nearly 54 percent of the seats in the House (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections,_ 2012) in the 113th Congress.

This disparity between the will of the American people and the actual outcome of the election did not happen by accident — it is largely the product of massive gerrymandering by Republican state officials (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/11/07/1159631/americans-voted-for-a-democratic-house-gerrymandering-the-supreme-court-gave-them-speaker-boehner/).

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/12/21/1351161/democratic-house-candidates-now-have-a-nearly-12-million-vote-lead-over-the-republicans/

[Cigar]

Yes, Obama got somewhere appealing to 51%. Basically a fluke win against a nonentity.

Good thing we have a Constitution that guards against democratic majoritarianism.

What's a true con?

Yep it was a real squeaker ... by 4,970,508 :grin: that's a lot of dead people ... :smiley_ROFLMAO:



Electoral vote
332
206


States carried
26 + DC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington,_D.C.)
24


Popular vote
65,899,660
60,929,152


Percentage
51.1%
47.2%

[Chris]

What'd they win, nic?

[Chris]

Yep it was a real squeaker ... by 4,970,508 :grin: that's a lot of dead people ... :smiley_ROFLMAO:



Electoral vote
332
206


States carried
26 + DC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington,_D.C.)
24


Popular vote
65,899,660
60,929,152


Percentage
51.1%
47.2%



Ooops, what'd I say, 51%, it was 51.1%, oh my. That's a thin margin. It's not a mandate as you seem to be cheering.

[Cigar]

What'd they win, nic?

Another 4 year break on Conservative Forums

[Chris]

Another 4 year break on Conservative Forums

Shallow victory.

[Cigar]

Ooops, what'd I say, 51%, it was 51.1%, oh my. That's a thin margin. It's not a mandate as you seem to be cheering.

When was the last time a Republicans won a popular vote?

Look to me like they aren't popular.

[Chris]

When was the last time a Republicans won a popular vote?

Look to me like they aren't popular.

Am I supposed to care? We're not a democracy where popularity matters. All we do is go back and forth between Republican and Democrat BS, nothing changes.

[Cigar]

Shallow victory.

Not for me ... :)

Can you imagine what this Forum would be like if The Republicans won?

[Cigar]

Am I supposed to care? We're not a democracy where popularity matters. All we do is go back and forth between Republican and Democrat BS, nothing changes.

Good then it's not Obama's fault

[Chris]

Good then it's not Obama's fault

No, he's not all that important or powerful.

[Cigar]

No, he's not all that important or powerful.

Just President :afro:

[JackRuby]

No, he's not all that important or powerful.

That's a crock. You all bash him here daily. I actually agree with most of it. So he must have some importance and power.

[zelmo1234]

When was the last time a Republicans won a popular vote?

Look to me like they aren't popular.

2004!

[Cigar]

2004!

... and you'll have to go back even further to find a Republican who got 51% :)

[zelmo1234]

Not for me ... :)

Can you imagine what this Forum would be like if The Republicans won?

Yes we would be talking about all of the jobs that ewere being created, the price of Gas and energy coming down, lower taxes, less rugulations , a thriving middle class, closing the boarders and solving the immigrations problems. You know all the things that cume when you don have a liberal in charge!

[Morningstar]

Just President :afro:

Just a neutered President.

Will he ever pass a major bill again?

[JackRuby]

Yes we would be talking about all of the jobs that ewere being created, the price of Gas and energy coming down, lower taxes, less rugulations , a thriving middle class, closing the boarders and solving the immigrations problems. You know all the things that cume when you don have a liberal in charge!

You really believe that don't you?

Jack

[nic34]

What'd they win, nic?

10 more seats.....

[JackRuby]

Just a neutered President.

Will he ever pass a major bill again?


No. Because the cowardly Republicans say nothing but no. They are deathly afraid to make a decision.

Jack

[nic34]

They are deathly afraid of being seen in agreement with Obama.....

[Chris]

10 more seats.....

What I mean is what has changed, what will? We'll shift a little left, after having shifted a little right under Bush, repeat ad nauseum.

[Cigar]

No. Because the cowardly Republicans say nothing but no. They are deathly afraid to make a decision.

Jack

Or give the President a win, even if it's their ideas.

In other worlds, those Country First, Flag Waving, Chest Beating, Gob Bless America singing, Patriotic Lying cowards are really saying Fuck America.

[Chris]

They are deathly afraid of being seen in agreement with Obama.....

Partisans like you all are deathly afraid of being seen in disagreement with Obama.

You all cancel each other out.

What have you won?

Nothing.

Nada.

Zip.

[Cigar]

Partisans like you all are deathly afraid of being seen in disagreement with Obama.

You all cancel each other out.

What have you won?

Nothing.

Nada.

Zip.

Not me ... I don't agree with everything Obama did ...

He wasted is first 4 years thinking the GOP would work with him.

Fuck that and Fuck them

[nic34]

says Chris, the non-partisan .........

[Morningstar]

No. Because the cowardly Republicans say nothing but no. They are deathly afraid to make a decision.

Jack

"No" suits me just fine.

I voted for obstruction. For gridlock.

[Mister D]

says Chris, the non-partisan .........

Who is Chris partisan toward?

[JackRuby]

"No" suits me just fine.

I voted for obstruction. For gridlock.

That's why I voted for neither. Thanks for helping grind our country to a hault.

Jack

[JackRuby]

Who is Chris partian toward?

Toward liberals. I punked him out on it and he banned me. He'll lie and say otherwise. I expect another 24 hours in the "hole" just for saying that.

Jack - Inmate #445-098-99

[KC]

That's why I voted for neither. Thanks for helping grind our country to a hault.

Jack

Grinding to a halt is a good thing if you're approaching the edge of a cliff...

[Cigar]

"No" suits me just fine.

I voted for obstruction. For gridlock.



... and it's Worked like a charm.

Don't change a thing! :thumbsup20:

[Cigar]

Grinding to a halt is a good thing if you're approaching the edge of a cliff...



... is that before or after the $6.00 per/gallon Gas.?

[Mister D]

Toward liberals. I punked him out on it and he banned me. He'll lie and say otherwise. I expect another 24 hours in the "hole" just for saying that.

Jack - Inmate #445-098-99

No, you broke the rules. That's why you got banned. Come down off your corss, partisan Jacky.

Anyway, I've seen Chris criticize both parrties and often. I haven't seen that from you.

[Chris]

Toward liberals. I punked him out on it and he banned me. He'll lie and say otherwise. I expect another 24 hours in the "hole" just for saying that.

Jack - Inmate #445-098-99

Friendly warning of violation of rule 8. See rules here: http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/6236-The-Political-Forums-Revised-Rules-and-Regulations. As I said last time, feel free to persoanlly attack me, but leave off the moderator/moderation, use PMs for that.

[Morningstar]

That's why I voted for neither. Thanks for helping grind our country to a hault.

Jack

We're not there yet. Hopefully the sequester goes through, and maybe we can even get a gov't shutdown some time this year...

[zelmo1234]

... and you'll have to go back even further to find a Republican who got 51% :)

O yes 50.73% is so far from 51.06 %

Reagan received 58+% is his second term?

And Obama is the only 2 term president in modern history that did not carry a larger percentage in his second term.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_po pular_vote_margin

What happens when you are not running a young African American and you loose those that voted for him because of his Race?

Ouch. Look like it is back int the dog house for the democrats

[Chris]

... and it's Worked like a charm.

Don't change a thing! :thumbsup20:

Great, so now you see what I have been saying, nothing changes.

[nic34]

I don't hide what I am for and what I am against. I support Dems when they are progressive toward working folks and criticize them when they move to the corporate power right. I have no need to equivocate as others do, afraid of calling themselves conservatives.

Now watch the "non-partisans" fall all over themselves in reaction to FDR's 1936 speech at the New York Dem State Convention that puts the struggle still going on today, in a nutshell:

Let me warn you and let me warn the nation against the smooth evasion which says, “Of course we believe all these things; we believe in social security; we believe in work for the unemployed; we believe in saving homes. Cross our hearts and hope to die, we believe in all these things; but we do not like the way the present Administration is doing them. Just turn them over to us. We will do all of them—we will do more of them, we will do them better; and, most important of all, the doing of them will not cost anybody anything.”

But, my friends, these evaders are banking too heavily on the shortness of our memories. No one will forget that they had their golden opportunity—twelve long years of it.
Remember, too, that the first essential of doing a job well is to want to see the job done. Make no mistake about this: The Republican leadership today is not against the way we have done the job. The Republican leadership is against the job’s being done.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2012/10/roosevelts-message-to-obama.html#ixzz2LNOYzdmu

[Cigar]

Great, so now you see what I have been saying, nothing changes.

Obama got a lot done in the first 2 years and he's changing the dynamic for year's to dome ...

The GOP needs to face the fact that their world is getting Brown, and there's nothing they can do about it.

... even cheating didn't work

[Mister D]

Obama got a lot done in the first 2 years and he's changing the dynamic for year's to dome ...

The GOP needs to face the fact that their world is getting Brown, and there's nothing they can do about it.

... even cheating didn't work

Oh, I think the GOP is on board with that. That's why I left the GOP. As the world gets browner it gets poorer, there is more crime, and the quality of life for everyone declines. Not really something to hope for...unless you're a rich white guy.

[Chris]

Obama got a lot done in the first 2 years and he's changing the dynamic for year's to dome ...

The GOP needs to face the fact that their world is getting Brown, and there's nothing they can do about it.

... even cheating didn't work

What, he killed some guy?

[Cigar]

What, he killed some guy?

No ... two Guys ... :grin:

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3254/2284468724_f6e07cc93c_z.jpg?zz=1

[Chris]

I don't hide what I am for and what I am against. I support Dems when they are progressive toward working folks and criticize them when they move to the corporate power right. I have no need to equivocate as others do, afraid of calling themselves conservatives.

Now watch the "non-partisans" fall all over themselves in reaction to FDR's 1936 speech at the New York Dem State Convention that puts the struggle still going on today, in a nutshell:

Let me warn you and let me warn the nation against the smooth evasion which says, “Of course we believe all these things; we believe in social security; we believe in work for the unemployed; we believe in saving homes. Cross our hearts and hope to die, we believe in all these things; but we do not like the way the present Administration is doing them. Just turn them over to us. We will do all of them—we will do more of them, we will do them better; and, most important of all, the doing of them will not cost anybody anything.”

But, my friends, these evaders are banking too heavily on the shortness of our memories. No one will forget that they had their golden opportunity—twelve long years of it.
Remember, too, that the first essential of doing a job well is to want to see the job done. Make no mistake about this: The Republican leadership today is not against the way we have done the job. The Republican leadership is against the job’s being done.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2012/10/roosevelts-message-to-obama.html#ixzz2LNOYzdmu

That's fine, nic, just don't assume everyone is as partisan as you, with you or against you, or needs to be.

I'm libertarian, for liberty, and against any increase in government power and corruption. In a modern sense, that makes me partisan, but I don't assume everyone else is libertarian or authoritarian. It takes all kinds

My criticism of "we won" stands for you won nothing.

[Chris]

No ... two Guys ... :grin:



Not impressive. RINOs are easy targets for shot-gun shooting Presidents.

[Morningstar]

Obama got a lot done in the first 2 years and he's changing the dynamic for year's to dome ...

The GOP needs to face the fact that their world is getting Brown, and there's nothing they can do about it.

... even cheating didn't work

This country doesn't have a lot of time left, on its current trajectory. I have no idea why anyone is projecting demographics 30 and 40 years out. That assumes 30 years of peace and government programs that may or may not come to pass.

We all know one thing, and that is if we suffer an economic calamity, the "brown people" are going to die in droves.


I may start voting Democrat all the way, just to hurry up the crash.

[Cigar]

Good you do that ... :afro:

[Morningstar]

If we get to the point where we lose hope, watch out.

Lots of people don't sign up for programs that they qualify for, out of pride.

We could easily start sucking up government funds, and reduce our efforts, significantly lowering the tax base.

It would not be difficult at all to bankrupt the USA.

[Morningstar]

Parasites can't survive on a corpse. :wink:

[Cigar]

Yea ... I'm scared :rollseyes:

[Cigar]

Parasites can't survive on a corpse. :wink:

That's a good one, please use that during the next election :thumbsup20:

[Morningstar]

The problem with the right is that they aren't nearly radical enough.

We could be doing all kinds of damage to this economy. We could be using alternate currencies, bartering, etc...

We should be starving the beast, every chance we get.

[Morningstar]

That's a good one, please use that during the next election :thumbsup20:

Elections are passé...

[nic34]

The problem with the right is that they aren't nearly radical enough.

We could be doing all kinds of damage to this economy. We could be using alternate currencies, bartering, etc...

We should be starving the beast, every chance we get.

Yes, we've heard you for the last 4 years Mr. McConnell.

Good luck with your campaign.

[Cigar]

Yes, we've heard you for the last 4 years Mr. McConnell.

Good luck with your campaign.

Isn't it Entertaining watching the Bitter and Angry ... :laugh:

[Morningstar]

Isn't it Entertaining watching the Bitter and Angry ... :laugh:

I'm an anarchist, friend.

I'm excited about it. I'm just tired of waiting!

[Cigar]

I'm an anarchist, friend.

I'm excited about it. I'm just tired of waiting!


Why ... getting Old and Bitter?

[JackRuby]

That's fine, nic, just don't assume everyone is as partisan as you, with you or against you, or needs to be.

I'm libertarian, for liberty, and against any increase in government power and corruption. In a modern sense, that makes me partisan, but I don't assume everyone else is libertarian or authoritarian. It takes all kinds

My criticism of "we won" stands for you won nothing.

I vote libertarian so I guess you are right after all - I am partisan. Wrong on the liberal so don't get it fucked up.

Jack

[Chris]

I vote libertarian so I guess you are right after all - I am partisan. Wrong on the liberal so don't get it fucked up.

Jack

Sorry, jack, I'm not Libertarian, I'm libertarian. There's a difference, party vs principle. Let me know when you start criticizing libs and Dems as you do cons and Reps.

[Chris]

Isn't it Entertaining watching the Bitter and Angry ... :laugh:

Where have you and nic actually agreed on anything of substance.

[JackRuby]

Sorry, jack, I'm not Libertarian, I'm libertarian. There's a difference, party vs principle. Let me know when you start criticizing libs and Dems as you do cons and Reps.

Who'd notice here? Furthermore who would care? I'm not an active card carrying member of that party or any party. It's the best available to us other than the two money choices.

Jack

[Chris]

Who'd notice here? Furthermore who would care? I'm not an active card carrying member of that party or any party. It's the best available to us other than the two money choices.

Jack

Some of us care, jack. You don't have to.

[zelmo1234]

The problem with the right is that they aren't nearly radical enough.

We could be doing all kinds of damage to this economy. We could be using alternate currencies, bartering, etc...

We should be starving the beast, every chance we get.

The wealthy already have diversified, why do you think the Price of Gold and Silver is so high! Why do you think that there is over 2 trillion being held off shore. They see the writing on the wall.

The funny part will be watching the liberals get made when they find out that their Gods have lied to them and there really is an end to the free stuff!

[JackRuby]

Some of us care, jack. You don't have to.

Care? LOL. Care about what?

[Chris]

That's a crock. You all bash him here daily. I actually agree with most of it. So he must have some importance and power.

And here you are defending him partisanly.

I also bash Bush policies, I see no difference between the two.

[JackRuby]

And here you are defending him partisanly.

I also bash Bush policies, I see no difference between the two.

What is new? If I fart you would say it was a partisan fart.

Jack of Gas

[Chris]

What is new? If I fart you would say it was a partisan fart.

Jack of Gas

Grow a sense of humor, jack, everyone is partisan, you're not the center of the universe.

[Private Pickle]

O yes 50.73% is so far from 51.06 %

Reagan received 58+% is his second term?

And Obama is the only 2 term president in modern history that did not carry a larger percentage in his second term.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_po pular_vote_margin

What happens when you are not running a young African American and you loose those that voted for him because of his Race?

Ouch. Look like it is back int the dog house for the democrats

You run a woman.

[Agravan]

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... even cheating didn't work

It did for you guys, always has...

[zelmo1234]

You run a woman.

I think that this is the plan, But I think they did it the wrong way.

Had they run Hilary and then Obama, they might have been able to get 16 years.

Hilary will be Old, and we know know what buttons to push to get her to make statmensts like the It doesn't matter, when it came to the deaths of 4 americans that could in my opnion have been rescued

She will also likely be running against a Hispanic Man. Moving much of the Minority Vote to the GOP

And the fact that women don't really like her all that much!

[JackRuby]

Grow a sense of humor, jack, everyone is partisan, you're not the center of the universe.

Mr. 24 hours in the hole is telling ME to grow a sense of humor? See you in jail Mr. Passive Aggressive!

Inmate Jack



JackRuby: Infraction, violation of rule 8: http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/6236-The-Political-Forums-Revised-Rules-and-Regulations. This is something you've been repeatedly warned about and infracted for already. You can make up insults toward me personally, but not as moderator or for moderation. Here you beg for it, you got it.

[Boris The Animal]

See, here's the problem as I see it. Liberalism does not take into consideration the long term consequences of its ideology whereas Conservatism adheres to time honored principles such as individual liberty, freedom, and so forth. This is why cities such as Detroit, Buffalo, Chicago, basically; Liberal shitholes, haven't seen any new life in decades.

[nic34]

The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
--John Kenneth Galbraith--

[Chris]

The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
--John Kenneth Galbraith--

You, like Galbraith, can try to twist it into something it's not, but it's rather ineffective unless you can come up with a moral condemnation of self-interest. Before you do, Plato tried, but as Popper, in The Open Society and Its Enemies, showed all Plato did was force a false analogy of, as individualism is to selfishness, collectivism is to altruism, which is in reality the opposite. This is also shown by Adam Smith who justified self-interest long ago.

[nic34]

But what is individualism but selfishness in this millenium? We live in a country of 350 million, and in a world of 7 billion... the idea that one can live without affecting or being affected by others is a fantasy today.

And radical individualism becomes a destructive imbalance between community and self.

[Chris]

But what is individualism but selfishness in this millenium? We live in a country of 350 million, and in a world of 7 billion... the idea that one can live without affecting or being affected by others is a fantasy today.

And radical individualism becomes a destructive imbalance between community and self.

You don't seem to understand individualism, nic, that straw man is what Plato argued and Popper exposed as the logical fallacy it is.

[Morningstar]

But what is individualism but selfishness in this millenium? We live in a country of 350 million, and in a world of 7 billion... the idea that one can live without affecting or being affected by others is a fantasy today.

And radical individualism becomes a destructive imbalance between community and self.

Forcing a man to work for the benefit of a man who doesn't work is slavery.

[nic34]

That's right, we need more politics of austerity, cuts in infrastructure, education and social protections for the poor and infirm. More policies of revenge aimed at the poor, elderly and those marginalized by race and class.

The system we are creating is an authoritarian class of corporate and hedge-fund swindlers that reaps its profits by placing huge bets with other people's money. And they privatize those profits while socializing the losses.

Yep big banksters, big biz-nezz vs. little government, be careful what you wish for.

[Chris]

That's right, we need more politics of austerity, cuts in infrastructure, education and social protections for the poor and infirm. More policies of revenge aimed at the poor, elderly and those marginalized by race and class.

The system we are creating is an authoritarian class of corporate and hedge-fund swindlers that reaps its profits by placing huge bets with other people's money. And they privatize those profits while socializing the losses.

Yep big banksters, big biz-nezz vs. little government, be careful what you wish for.

Where have you seen anything even resembling policies of austerity, nic? Right now politicians are squabbling over 3% cuts in the rates of increased spending.

What we're creating is a ruling class of politicians who dole out special favors to anyone who will contribute to their campaign coffers or vote for them.

The bigger the government the bigger the corruption and crony capitalism.

[Morningstar]

That's right, we need more politics of austerity, cuts in infrastructure, education and social protections for the poor and infirm. More policies of revenge aimed at the poor, elderly and those marginalized by race and class.

The system we are creating is an authoritarian class of corporate and hedge-fund swindlers that reaps its profits by placing huge bets with other people's money. And they privatize those profits while socializing the losses.

Yep big banksters, big biz-nezz vs. little government, be careful what you wish for.

Big business and big bankers get their money from you. Stop giving it to them, through taxation and/or through consumption.

[Morningstar]

Where have you seen anything even resembling policies of austerity, nic? Right now politicians are squabbling over 3% cuts in the rates of increased spending.

What we're creating is a ruling class of politicians who dole out special favors to anyone who will contribute to their campaign coffers or vote for them.

The bigger the government the bigger the corruption and crony capitalism.

40% of all income in the USA is confiscated each year. And some people see that as "austerity"...

These people are either not smart, or not sane.