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Cigar
03-19-2013, 07:13 AM
10 years later, the Iraq war is still a failure

They said it would be a "cakewalk"
They said it would be cheap: $50 billion to $60 billion
They said Iraqi oil would pay for it
They said the war would make America safer
They said it was a just war that would uphold American values

http://news.yahoo.com/10-years-later-iraq-war-still-failure-062800357.html

They Lied!

http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20120515/javadi20120515171111670.jpg

Chris
03-19-2013, 07:27 AM
What lie?

hanger4
03-19-2013, 07:28 AM
And 40% of that time is on Obama.

wats sup wit dat ??

Cigar
03-19-2013, 07:39 AM
And 40% of that time is on Obama.

wats sup wit dat ??

Well let's see ... if Obama would have started pulling troops out his first year ... I'm sure you, McStupid and the other War Hawks wouldn't have said Cut-n-Run ... right?

Come-On stop playing stupid ... you think the GOP would have said "Yes"?

They haven't in 4 years.

hanger4
03-19-2013, 07:42 AM
Well let's see ... if Obama would have started pulling troops out his first year ... I'm sure you, McStupid and the other War Hawks wouldn't have said Cut-n-Run ... right?

Come-On stop playing stupid ... you think the GOP would have said "Yes"?

They haven't in 4 years.



Obama owned both houses of Congress.

as you said "stop playing stupid".

Mister D
03-19-2013, 07:46 AM
I don't know why BO won't heed the demands of the anti-war mobs. Oh wait, they ceased exist as soon as he was elected. My bad.

Cigar
03-19-2013, 07:46 AM
What lie?

Ok ... so in your World .... and on your planet ... these are the games you play :rollseyes:

There was WBDs
The War did cost less than $60 Billion
The Iraqi Oil did pay for the War
The US is now safer
... and the War was started to uphold American Values.

http://www.bodhifitonline.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/yeah-right.jpg

Chris
03-19-2013, 07:47 AM
Seems, cigar, you want to make assumptions and then criticism your own assumptions.

Mister D
03-19-2013, 07:48 AM
Ok ... so in your World .... and on your planet ... these are the games you play :rollseyes:

There was WBDs
The War did cost less than $60 Billion
The Iraqi Oil did pay for the War
The US is now safer
... and the War was started to uphold American Values.

http://www.bodhifitonline.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/yeah-right.jpg



Of course the war is at least partly about spreading American (i.e. globalist, universal) values.

Chris
03-19-2013, 07:49 AM
Ok ... so in your World .... and on your planet ... these are the games you play :rollseyes:

There was WBDs
The War did cost less than $60 Billion
The Iraqi Oil did pay for the War
The US is now safer
... and the War was started to uphold American Values.

http://www.bodhifitonline.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/yeah-right.jpg




None of those were lies.

Cigar
03-19-2013, 08:03 AM
Wow ... it's amazing to what end of the earth you guys will go. :rofl:

I have to admit, it is amusing.

Mister D
03-19-2013, 08:05 AM
Wow ... it's amazing to what end of the earth you guys will go. :rofl:

I have to admit, it is amusing.

It's amazing you can't muster a response. Nah...:wink:

Mainecoons
03-19-2013, 08:10 AM
That's hardly amazing. More like SOP with this clown.

hanger4
03-19-2013, 08:12 AM
Wow ... it's amazing to what end of the earth you guys will go. :rofl:

I have to admit, it is amusing.

Do you even know what a lie is ??

Chris
03-19-2013, 08:13 AM
Wow ... it's amazing to what end of the earth you guys will go. :rofl:

I have to admit, it is amusing.

You guys? I'm just asking, what lie? Bush and the Neocons may have been wrong, but that's not a lie. I think you substitute "lie" for "wrong" just to get an emotional reaction since you cannot apparently demonstrate a lie but merely dance around it.

Mainecoons
03-19-2013, 08:23 AM
One might add that Bush was mislead by bad intelligence from the CIA that Clinton dumbed down under Tenet and Bush stupidly left the guy in there when he took office.

The British intelligence services also were mistaken. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if the Israelis really knew the score.

On another thread, I posted a long list of documented ObamaLies, even about a bunch of trivial crap not worth lying about. Bush was a dummy, Obama is a compulsive liar.

Big difference.

Private Pickle
03-19-2013, 08:38 AM
Obama owned both houses of Congress.

as you said "stop playing stupid".

Yet another example of Cigar displaying his "I don't know jack shit but i can always blame the Repubs cause Obama can do no wrong" badge again...

nic34
03-19-2013, 09:11 AM
What's amazing is the absolute denial. And most of you will still tell us you didn't vote for Bush, didn't support the Iraq war and so on.... but you defend your conservative heroes at every turn.

An 8-year war built on lies: But when did the lying begin?

An example of the many lies told during this effort to “fix the facts around the policy” was provided when Dick Cheney spoke at the VFW National Convention in August, 2002. Cheney, who obtained five draft deferments during the Vietnam War and never served in the military, told these veterans that – “Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.”

On September 8, 2002, the NY Times published a “leaked story” in careful coordination with same day TV appearances by Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and members of WHIG. This story, which was later found to be completely false, said that Iraq had worked to purchase aluminum tubes for the purpose of developing nuclear weapons.[4] The story was used by Cheney and WHIG to show that even the “liberal media” was in full agreement of the need to go to war with Iraq.

A fact repressed in our national memory is that the entire world was made aware, weeks before the 2003 invasion of Iraq, that forged documents were used by the Bush Administration to justify the invasion. On March 7, the director-general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, Mohamed El Baradei, told the U.N. Security Council that – “The I.A.E.A. has concluded, with the concurrence of outside experts, that these documents . . . are in fact not authentic.”[5] The documents were so obviously fraudulent, in fact, that one western diplomat said –“There were more than 20 anomalies in the Niger documents — it is staggering any intelligence service could have believed they were genuine for a moment.“[6]

Recent admissions from the US intelligence source called “Curveball” have clarified that all the claims that critical source made, in the run-up to the Iraq War, were blatantly false.[7] Those lies were used by Secretary of State Colin Powell in an address to the United Nations on February 5, 2003. Based on Curveball as the source, Powell told the UN about Iraq having bio-weapons labs and clandestine factories by relating — “firsthand descriptions of biological weapons factories on wheels and on rails … The source was an eyewitness who supervised one of these facilities“.

Powell’s speech, with his claims made based on Curveball’s information, was enough to swing the mainstream media and opposition Democratic politicians in favor of going to war against Iraq.[8]
It didn’t stop there, however. Ten days after the invasion started, Donald Rumsfeld was still lying about the WMDs. He said then, in an interview with ABC, “We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.” But as we all know, the WMDs were not in any of those places and we have seen that the Bush Administration knew that these claims were false when they made them. Over the years more evidence that the Bush Administration lied has come to light. This includes admissions from former CIA officers who were directly involved in the process, one of whom said that — “The fact is there was nothing there, no threat. But Bush wanted to hear what he wanted to hear.”[9]

http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2011/02/28/an-8-year-war-built-on-lies-but-when-did-the-lying-begin/


[1] Adam Brookes, Iraq War Justifications Laid Bare, BBC News, September 9, 2006, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5329350.stm


[2] Sourcewatch, White House Iraq Group, http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=White_House_Iraq_Group


[3] The Downing Street Memo, Downingstreetmemo.com, http://downingstreetmemo.com/memos.html


[4] Michael R. Gordon and Judith Miller, Threats And Responses: The Iraqis; U.S. Says Hussein Intensifies Quest For A-Bomb Parts, The New York Times, September 8,2002, http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/08/international/middleeast/08IRAQ.html


[5] Seymour M. Hersh, “Who Lied to Whom? Why did the Administration endorse a forgery about Iraq’s nuclear program?”, The New Yorker, March 24, 2003.

[6] Neil Mackay, “Niger and Iraq: the war’s biggest lie?,” Glasgow Sunday Herald, available at GlobalResearch.ca, http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=498


[7] Martin Chulov and Helen Pidd, Defector Admits To WMD Lies That Triggered Iraq War, The Guardian, February 15, 2011, http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/15/defector-admits-wmd-lies-iraq-war?intcmp=239


[8] Charles Hanley, Powell’s Case for Iraq War Falls Apart 6 Months Later, August, 11, 2003, Associated Press, http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0811-09.htm


[9] Sidney Blumenthal, Bush Knew Saddam Had No Weapons Of Mass Destruction, Salon, September 6, 2007, http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/blumenthal/2007/09/06/bush_wmd/index.html


[10] Amy Zalman, Iraq War – – Bush Iraq War Justification Timeline, About.com, http://terrorism.about.com/od/wariniraq/a/IraqWaronTerror.htm


[11] The more conservative estimates include that of Iraq Body Count (http://www.iraqbodycount.org/) which puts the number of civilian deaths at about 100,000. Others, including Just Foreign Policy (http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq), estimate the deaths from the Iraq War at over 1.4 million. Middle range estimates include that of the British medical journal The Lancet, which in 2008 put the number near 700,000.


[12] Iraq Coalition Casualty Count (iCasualties), Operation Iraqi Freedom, http://icasualties.org/

Greenridgeman
03-19-2013, 09:25 AM
10 years later, the Iraq war is still a failure

They said it would be a "cakewalk"
They said it would be cheap: $50 billion to $60 billion
They said Iraqi oil would pay for it
They said the war would make America safer
They said it was a just war that would uphold American values

http://news.yahoo.com/10-years-later-iraq-war-still-failure-062800357.html

They Lied!

http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20120515/javadi20120515171111670.jpg



Clap-trap.

Same old clap-trap.

Not one military action taken under Bush failed to have substantial Democratic support, not one accusation Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld made was not also made by our former and current Obama administration Secretaries of State, and his VP.

You ought to find something better to do with your time.

Greenridgeman
03-19-2013, 09:26 AM
Well let's see ... if Obama would have started pulling troops out his first year ... I'm sure you, McStupid and the other War Hawks wouldn't have said Cut-n-Run ... right?

Come-On stop playing stupid ... you think the GOP would have said "Yes"?

They haven't in 4 years.




"If" is all you have?

Pathetic response.

Greenridgeman
03-19-2013, 09:27 AM
I don't know why BO won't heed the demands of the anti-war mobs. Oh wait, they ceased exist as soon as he was elected. My bad.


What anti-war mobs? Volunteer army assures draft age kids can stay home in mommies basement and play video games.

Greenridgeman
03-19-2013, 09:28 AM
None of those were lies.


Isn't it funny how Tim McVeigh's IED was called a WMD in the indictment leading to his execution, but IED's that killed most American troops were not WMD's?

Greenridgeman
03-19-2013, 09:30 AM
Seems, cigar, you want to make assumptions and then criticism your own assumptions.


Cigar should take himself to one of the liberal cesspool forums where they repeat the Obama's lies and high-five each other for it, while infracting or banning anyone with a counter-opinion. He would have a fine old time with his revisionist history, and probably get laid too.

Chris
03-19-2013, 09:45 AM
What's amazing is the absolute denial. And most of you will still tell us you didn't vote for Bush, didn't support the Iraq war and so on.... but you defend your conservative heroes at every turn.

An 8-year war built on lies: But when did the lying begin?

An example of the many lies told during this effort to “fix the facts around the policy” was provided when Dick Cheney spoke at the VFW National Convention in August, 2002. Cheney, who obtained five draft deferments during the Vietnam War and never served in the military, told these veterans that – “Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.”

On September 8, 2002, the NY Times published a “leaked story” in careful coordination with same day TV appearances by Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and members of WHIG. This story, which was later found to be completely false, said that Iraq had worked to purchase aluminum tubes for the purpose of developing nuclear weapons.[4] The story was used by Cheney and WHIG to show that even the “liberal media” was in full agreement of the need to go to war with Iraq.

A fact repressed in our national memory is that the entire world was made aware, weeks before the 2003 invasion of Iraq, that forged documents were used by the Bush Administration to justify the invasion. On March 7, the director-general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, Mohamed El Baradei, told the U.N. Security Council that – “The I.A.E.A. has concluded, with the concurrence of outside experts, that these documents . . . are in fact not authentic.”[5] The documents were so obviously fraudulent, in fact, that one western diplomat said –“There were more than 20 anomalies in the Niger documents — it is staggering any intelligence service could have believed they were genuine for a moment.“[6]

Recent admissions from the US intelligence source called “Curveball” have clarified that all the claims that critical source made, in the run-up to the Iraq War, were blatantly false.[7] Those lies were used by Secretary of State Colin Powell in an address to the United Nations on February 5, 2003. Based on Curveball as the source, Powell told the UN about Iraq having bio-weapons labs and clandestine factories by relating — “firsthand descriptions of biological weapons factories on wheels and on rails … The source was an eyewitness who supervised one of these facilities“.

Powell’s speech, with his claims made based on Curveball’s information, was enough to swing the mainstream media and opposition Democratic politicians in favor of going to war against Iraq.[8]
It didn’t stop there, however. Ten days after the invasion started, Donald Rumsfeld was still lying about the WMDs. He said then, in an interview with ABC, “We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.” But as we all know, the WMDs were not in any of those places and we have seen that the Bush Administration knew that these claims were false when they made them. Over the years more evidence that the Bush Administration lied has come to light. This includes admissions from former CIA officers who were directly involved in the process, one of whom said that — “The fact is there was nothing there, no threat. But Bush wanted to hear what he wanted to hear.”[9]

http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2011/02/28/an-8-year-war-built-on-lies-but-when-did-the-lying-begin/


[1] Adam Brookes, Iraq War Justifications Laid Bare, BBC News, September 9, 2006, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5329350.stm


[2] Sourcewatch, White House Iraq Group, http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=White_House_Iraq_Group


[3] The Downing Street Memo, Downingstreetmemo.com, http://downingstreetmemo.com/memos.html


[4] Michael R. Gordon and Judith Miller, Threats And Responses: The Iraqis; U.S. Says Hussein Intensifies Quest For A-Bomb Parts, The New York Times, September 8,2002, http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/08/international/middleeast/08IRAQ.html


[5] Seymour M. Hersh, “Who Lied to Whom? Why did the Administration endorse a forgery about Iraq’s nuclear program?”, The New Yorker, March 24, 2003.

[6] Neil Mackay, “Niger and Iraq: the war’s biggest lie?,” Glasgow Sunday Herald, available at GlobalResearch.ca, http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=498


[7] Martin Chulov and Helen Pidd, Defector Admits To WMD Lies That Triggered Iraq War, The Guardian, February 15, 2011, http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/15/defector-admits-wmd-lies-iraq-war?intcmp=239


[8] Charles Hanley, Powell’s Case for Iraq War Falls Apart 6 Months Later, August, 11, 2003, Associated Press, http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0811-09.htm


[9] Sidney Blumenthal, Bush Knew Saddam Had No Weapons Of Mass Destruction, Salon, September 6, 2007, http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/blumenthal/2007/09/06/bush_wmd/index.html


[10] Amy Zalman, Iraq War – – Bush Iraq War Justification Timeline, About.com, http://terrorism.about.com/od/wariniraq/a/IraqWaronTerror.htm


[11] The more conservative estimates include that of Iraq Body Count (http://www.iraqbodycount.org/) which puts the number of civilian deaths at about 100,000. Others, including Just Foreign Policy (http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq), estimate the deaths from the Iraq War at over 1.4 million. Middle range estimates include that of the British medical journal The Lancet, which in 2008 put the number near 700,000.


[12] Iraq Coalition Casualty Count (iCasualties), Operation Iraqi Freedom, http://icasualties.org/



Didn't vote for Bush, supported the Iraq war, believe it was a mistake, nothing you've said amounts to a lie.

Chris
03-19-2013, 09:46 AM
Cigar should take himself to one of the liberal cesspool forums where they repeat the Obama's lies and high-five each other for it, while infracting or banning anyone with a counter-opinion. He would have a fine old time with his revisionist history, and probably get laid too.

No, he like anyone else is free to express opinions, however wrong they may be.

Private Pickle
03-19-2013, 09:49 AM
No, he like anyone else is free to express opinions, however wrong they may be.

Actually he likes to express the opinions of others through the use of cartoons. I'd be surprised to learn that he actually had any opinions of his own on any matter.

Greenridgeman
03-19-2013, 09:52 AM
No, he like anyone else is free to express opinions, however wrong they may be.

1. Didn't say he shouldn't stay here too.

2. Haven't seen him express an opinion, only parrot MSNBC.

3. I read Saul Alinsky too, can't I play the game also?

Mainecoons
03-19-2013, 09:58 AM
That's correct, there isn't a deliberate lie in that entire rant. There is quite a demonstration of the usual government incompetence, Clinton's CIA, and Bush/Cheny's brain dead trigger happiness.

Too bad Nic can't figure out the difference between lying and screwing up. Basically, it appears he has a simple criteria: Anything a Republican says is a lie, anything Obama says is either the truth or a mis-statement.

Nic, you should apply for a job at MSNBC. You're really talented at trotting out Bush every time someone catches your boy in another one of his bald-faced compulsive lies. Poor Bush, I hope he doesn't die soon, you and the rest of the idiots will be out there with your shovels digging him up.

:rofl:

Greenridgeman
03-19-2013, 10:01 AM
That's correct, there isn't a deliberate lie in that entire rant. There is quite a demonstration of the usual government incompetence, Clinton's CIA, and Bush/Cheny's brain dead trigger happiness.

Too bad Nic can't figure out the difference between lying and screwing up. Basically, it appears he has a simple criteria: Anything a Republican says is a lie, anything Obama says is either the truth or a mis-statement.

Nic, you should apply for a job at MSNBC. You're really talented at trotting out Bush every time someone catches your boy in another one of his bald-faced compulsive lies. Poor Bush, I hope he doesn't die soon, you and the rest of the idiots will be out there with your shovels digging him up.

:rofl:
Who is nic?

Or is the Cigar also known as Nic O'Teen.

He posts like a 13 year old.

Chris
03-19-2013, 10:03 AM
Actually he likes to express the opinions of others through the use of cartoons. I'd be surprised to learn that he actually had any opinions of his own on any matter.

They're political cartoons. Fair game.

Chris
03-19-2013, 10:04 AM
Hey, guys, let's get back to politics and off personalities.

Private Pickle
03-19-2013, 10:29 AM
They're political cartoons. Fair game.

No doubt about it but it doesn't prove originality or critical thought.

nic34
03-19-2013, 11:06 AM
Didn't vote for Bush, supported the Iraq war, believe it was a mistake, nothing you've said amounts to a lie.

Like I said.... denial....

Chris
03-19-2013, 11:12 AM
Like I said.... denial....

Describing yourself? Lies are deliberate, nothing you posted shows that, just mistakes. You destroy the language with such liberal usage.

Agravan
03-19-2013, 11:21 AM
Anything the left does not like is a lie. Whether true or not. They have long subscribed to V. Lenin's assertion that "A lie told often enough becomes the truth".

Newpublius
03-19-2013, 11:39 AM
There was WBDs
The War did cost less than $60 Billion
The Iraqi Oil did pay for the War
The US is now safer
... and the War was started to uphold American Values.

I'm actually an isolationist, but since we're not an isolationist nation, that gets boring in about 2 seconds. Bottom line is that we're obviously not an isolationist nation, Iraq invaded Kuwait, right there and then begins this unfortunate chain of events. Personally, I wouldn't have defended a monarchy from a dictator, but that's just me. Fact is, we did.

That conflict ended, but peace didn't prevail, what ensued were TEN YEARS of antagonistic relations. Every time we turned around, Sadaam Hussein was in the news for one reason or another. And let's not forget that prior to Kuwait, Hussein had been at war with Iran for a fairly long time.

WMD's or not, why exactly would anyone actually BELIEVE Hussein, and there's the rub, after 23 years of hostile relations with Iran (having used WMDs no less), Kuwait, and then the United States along with significant internal turmoil (where he again utilized WMD against the Kurds). At some point he loses the benefit of the doubt.

On top of that, while the connections with Al-Qaida were tenuous, his connections to other terrorist groups weren't. Iraq was, in point of fact, a state sponsor of terror.

From the CEASE FIRE (notwithstanding UN approval, this cease fire was with the United States too) after the First Gulf War until the 2003 Invasion, and this is even beyond the scope of Clinton's strikes during Desert Fox, Hussein was in constant violation of the cease fire.:

"Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its continuing hostility toward, and willingness to attack, the United States, including by attempting in 1993 to assassinate former President Bush and by firing on many thousands of occasions on United States and Coalition Armed Forces engaged in enforcing the resolutions of the United Nations Security Council"

In essence there was a state of low boil conflict from the cease fire until 2003.

Some of those resolutions of the UN Security Council were the actual cease fire with the United States too and there's no question that he violated that repeatedly. (UN Security Council resolution 687 which is also his agreement with the United States)

The reason peace didn't prevail in that region from 1980-2003 was largely the fault of one man and that man was Sadaam Hussein.

The problem wasn't the removal of Hussein, the problem was that the conflict then morphed into a 10 year quest at nation building. That we should've washed our hands of.

nic34
03-19-2013, 11:55 AM
Whatever newpub... fact remains the bush cabal lied and distorted to get us into a war in Iraq....

Cigar
03-19-2013, 11:56 AM
You guys? I'm just asking, what lie? Bush and the Neocons may have been wrong, but that's not a lie. I think you substitute "lie" for "wrong" just to get an emotional reaction since you cannot apparently demonstrate a lie but merely dance around it.

Ok ... let's assume this War wasn't started over a "lie" and go with the "mistake" claim.

If the FBI and numerous other "experts" on Iraq explicitly told the Bush Administration that there were "NO" WMDs in Iraq; all "before" the actual invasion of Iraq ... then what do you call it?

Cigar
03-19-2013, 12:01 PM
Actually he likes to express the opinions of others through the use of cartoons. I'd be surprised to learn that he actually had any opinions of his own on any matter.


Actually I have plenty of opinions ... but those are infractions.

Kalkin
03-19-2013, 12:02 PM
Newpublius: informed synopsis
nic34: teenage valley girl "whatever"

Agravan
03-19-2013, 12:13 PM
Bush lied? Did these folks "lie" as well?

“Whereas Iraq has consistently breached its cease-fire agreement between Iraq and the United States, entered into on March 3, 1991, by failing to dismantle its weapons of mass destruction program, and refusing to permit monitoring and verification by United Nations inspections; Whereas Iraq has developed weapons of mass destruction, including chemical and biological capabilities, and has made positive progress toward developing nuclear weapons capabilities” — From a joint resolution submitted by Tom Harkin and Arlen Specter on July 18, 2002
“Saddam’s goal … is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed.” — Madeline Albright, 1998
“(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983″ — National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998
“Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement.” — Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002
“The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability.” — Robert Byrd, October 2002
“There’s no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat… Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He’s had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001… He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn’t have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we.” — Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002
“What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad’s regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs.” — Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002
“The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow.” — Bill Clinton in 1998
“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security.” — Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002
“I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons…I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out.” — Clinton’s Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003
“Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people.” — Tom Daschle in 1998
“Saddam Hussein’s regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal.” — John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002
“The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction.” — John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

Cigar
03-19-2013, 12:16 PM
Bush lied? Did these folks "lie" as well?

“Whereas Iraq has consistently breached its cease-fire agreement between Iraq and the United States, entered into on March 3, 1991, by failing to dismantle its weapons of mass destruction program, and refusing to permit monitoring and verification by United Nations inspections; Whereas Iraq has developed weapons of mass destruction, including chemical and biological capabilities, and has made positive progress toward developing nuclear weapons capabilities” — From a joint resolution submitted by Tom Harkin and Arlen Specter on July 18, 2002
“Saddam’s goal … is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed.” — Madeline Albright, 1998
“(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983″ — National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998
“Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement.” — Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002
“The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability.” — Robert Byrd, October 2002
“There’s no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat… Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He’s had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001… He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn’t have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we.” — Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002
“What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad’s regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs.” — Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002
“The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow.” — Bill Clinton in 1998
“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security.” — Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002
“I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons…I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out.” — Clinton’s Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003
“Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people.” — Tom Daschle in 1998
“Saddam Hussein’s regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal.” — John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002
“The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction.” — John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

YES ... Your serve ... Mr Desider

http://www.angelasagelarsen.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/im-the-decider.jpg#the%20decider

Cigar
03-19-2013, 12:19 PM
In case you were wondering, the price tag for the war in Iraq (http://www.latimes.com/topic/intl/iraq-PLGEO0000012.topic) could eventually top $6 trillion.


Tuesday marks the 10th anniversary of the U.S. invasion, occupation and slugfest of Iraq, which, lest we forget, was begun in the name of protecting us from weapons of mass destruction that never existed.


A study by Brown University's Watson Institute for International Studies finds thatthe war has cost $1.7 trillion so far (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/14/us-iraq-war-anniversary-idUSBRE92D0PG20130314), with an additional $490 billion in benefits owed to war veterans.


Those costs could grow to more than $6 trillion over the next 40 years, the report concluded.
The war has killed at least 134,000 Iraqi civilians and may have contributed to the deaths of as many as four times that number. Factoring in security forces, insurgents, journalists and aid workers, the death toll rises to an estimated 176,000 to 189,000.
As taxpayers, we're all on the hook for that estimated $6-trillion tab. That's nearly half the current national debt.
We spent about $550 billion on Medicare last year. Six trillion bucks would fund our healthcare coverage for seniors and disabled people for roughly a decade.


Federal spending for Medicaid, the healthcare program for low-income people, ran about $250 billion last year. So $6 trillion represents nearly 20 years of funding.


The federal government spends an estimated $524 billion on public elementary and secondary school systems annually. With $6 trillion, you're looking at a massive infusion of cash into our cash-strapped schools over a number of years.
The Environmental Protection Agency (http://www.latimes.com/topic/environmental-issues/environmental-cleanup/u.s.-environmental-protection-agency-ORGOV000048.topic) had a budget of about $9 billion last year. With $6 trillion, you could run the agency that protects Mother Earth for more than 600 years.


This is all just idle speculation, of course. The money's gone -- or will be as future war-related expenses eat it up.
It sure is something, though, to think about the good that could have been done if we'd decided to use that cash for purposes other than to pound the stuffing out of a country that posed no actual threat to us and had no true intention of doing us harm.

http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-iraq-war-cost-20130318,0,1591279.story

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/imgs/2013/130319-ten-years-later.jpg

Agravan
03-19-2013, 12:24 PM
YES ... Your serve ... Mr Desider

http://www.angelasagelarsen.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/im-the-decider.jpg#the decider

then call them out as well.

Chris
03-19-2013, 12:45 PM
Ok ... let's assume this War wasn't started over a "lie" and go with the "mistake" claim.

If the FBI and numerous other "experts" on Iraq explicitly told the Bush Administration that there were "NO" WMDs in Iraq; all "before" the actual invasion of Iraq ... then what do you call it?

While others told them there were WMDs, including Saddam, I'd call it a judgement call. What would you do you have the security and safety of a nation on your shoulders? Why I bet what Bush did and Obama continues to do.

Peter says they found WMD.

Greenridgeman
03-19-2013, 12:48 PM
Anything the left does not like is a lie. Whether true or not. They have long subscribed to V. Lenin's assertion that "A lie told often enough becomes the truth".




Liberals are the "useful idiots" real leftists shoot first when they come to power.

Next, they shoot the chronically unemployed/unemployable for "workshy behavior" or "parasitism".

Greenridgeman
03-19-2013, 12:49 PM
Bush lied? Did these folks "lie" as well?

“Whereas Iraq has consistently breached its cease-fire agreement between Iraq and the United States, entered into on March 3, 1991, by failing to dismantle its weapons of mass destruction program, and refusing to permit monitoring and verification by United Nations inspections; Whereas Iraq has developed weapons of mass destruction, including chemical and biological capabilities, and has made positive progress toward developing nuclear weapons capabilities” — From a joint resolution submitted by Tom Harkin and Arlen Specter on July 18, 2002
“Saddam’s goal … is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed.” — Madeline Albright, 1998
“(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983″ — National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998
“Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement.” — Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002
“The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability.” — Robert Byrd, October 2002
“There’s no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat… Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He’s had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001… He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn’t have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we.” — Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002
“What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad’s regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs.” — Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002
“The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow.” — Bill Clinton in 1998
“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security.” — Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002
“I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons…I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out.” — Clinton’s Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003
“Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people.” — Tom Daschle in 1998
“Saddam Hussein’s regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal.” — John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002
“The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction.” — John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002






They have seen all this over and over.

Obama could serve shit to liberals and call it chocolate ice cream, and you would not hear a peep of protest.

Chris
03-19-2013, 12:59 PM
YES ... Your serve ... Mr Desider

Ironic what a hand waver you are with nic's data and what a hand wringer you are about agravan's.

Mainecoons
03-19-2013, 01:33 PM
Same old BS Nic. A fuck up is not the same as a lie. Telling people your mother died of cancer because she didn't have health insurance is a lie, and a stupid one at that. Doing a lousy job of forging your draft registration is a lie. And so on and so on.

Why don't you stick to cartoons? Anything else you try just comes up looking stupid, like your last post.

Cigar
03-19-2013, 01:39 PM
While others told them there were WMDs, including Saddam, I'd call it a judgement call. What would you do you have the security and safety of a nation on your shoulders? Why I bet what Bush did and Obama continues to do.

Peter says they found WMD.


Yea we know what Peter said ... so I guess "everyone" else are liars, and Peter is The Nobel Prize Winner.

Cigar
03-19-2013, 01:44 PM
"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction."
- Dick Cheney, Vice President
Speech to VFW National Convention
8/26/2002



"There is already a mountain of evidence that Saddam Hussein is gathering weapons for the purpose of using them. And adding additional information is like adding a foot to Mount Everest."
- Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Response to Question From the Press
9/6/2002



"We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud."
- Condoleezza Rice, US National Security Adviser
CNN Late Edition
9/8/2002



"Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons."
- George W. Bush, President
Speech to the UN General Assembly
9/12/2002



"Iraq has stockpiled biological and chemical weapons, and is rebuilding the facilities used to make more of those weapons. We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons - the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have."
- George W. Bush, President
Radio Address
10/5/2002



"The Iraqi regime ... possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons. We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, VX nerve gas."
- George W. Bush, President
Cincinnati, Ohio, Speech
10/7/2002



"And surveillance photos reveal that the regime is rebuilding facilities that it had used to produce chemical and biological weapons."
- George W. Bush, President
Cincinnati, Ohio, Speech
10/7/2002



"After 11 years during which we have tried containment, sanctions, inspections, even selected military action, the end result is that Saddam Hussein still has chemical and biological weapons and is increasing his capabilities to make more. And he is moving ever closer to developing a nuclear weapon."
- George W. Bush, President
Cincinnati, Ohio, Speech
10/7/2002



"We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas."
- George W. Bush, President
Cincinnati, Ohio, Speech
10/7/2002



"Iraq, despite UN sanctions, maintains an aggressive program to rebuild the infrastructure for its nuclear, chemical, biological, and missile programs. In each instance, Iraq's procurement agents are actively working to obtain both weapons-specific and dual-use materials and technologies critical to their rebuilding and expansion efforts, using front companies and whatever illicit means are at hand."
- John Bolton, Undersecretary of State for Arms Control
Speech to the Hudson Institute
11/1/2002



"Iraq could decide on any given day to provide biological or chemical weapons to a terrorist group or to individual terrorists ... The war on terror will not be won until Iraq is completely and verifiably deprived of weapons of mass destruction."
- Dick Cheney, Vice President
Denver, Address to the Air National Guard
12/1/2002



"If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world."
- Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Press Briefing
12/2/2002



"The president of the United States and the secretary of defense would not assert as plainly and bluntly as they have that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction if it was not true, and if they did not have a solid basis for saying it."
- Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Response to Question From the Press
12/4/2002



"We know for a fact that there are weapons there."
- Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Press Briefing
1/9/2003



"The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa. Our intelligence sources tell us that he has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production."
- George W. Bush, President
State of the Union Address
1/28/2003



"Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent."
- George W. Bush, President
State of the Union Address
1/28/2003



"We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more."
- Colin Powell, Secretary of State
Remarks to the UN Security Council
2/5/2003



"There can be no doubt that Saddam Hussein has biological weapons and the capability to rapidly produce more, many more. And he has the ability to dispense these lethal poisons and diseases in ways that can cause massive death and destruction. If biological weapons seem too terrible to contemplate, chemical weapons are equally chilling."
- Colin Powell, Secretary of State
Address to the UN Security Council
2/5/2003



"In Iraq, a dictator is building and hiding weapons that could enable him to dominate the Middle East and intimidate the civilized world - and we will not allow it."
- George W. Bush, President
Speech to the American Enterprise Institute
2/26/2003



"So has the strategic decision been made to disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction by the leadership in Baghdad? I think our judgment has to be clearly not."
- Colin Powell, Secretary of State
Remarks to the UN Security Council
3/7/2003



"Let's talk about the nuclear proposition for a minute. We know that, based on intelligence, that has been very, very good at hiding these kinds of efforts. He's had years to get good at it and we know he has been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons. And we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."
- Dick Cheney, Vice President
"Meet the Press"
3/16/2003



"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."
- George W. Bush, President
Address to the Nation
3/17/2003

Cigar
03-19-2013, 01:45 PM
"Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly ... all this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes."
- Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Press Briefing
3/21/2003



"One of our top objectives is to find and destroy the WMD. There are a number of sites."
- Victoria Clark, Pentagon Spokeswoman
Press Briefing
3/22/2003



"I have no doubt we're going to find big stores of weapons of mass destruction."
- Kenneth Adelman, Defense Policy Board Member
Washington Post, p. A27
3/23/2003



"We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."
- Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
ABC Interview
3/30/2003



"We still need to find and secure Iraq's weapons of mass destruction facilities and secure Iraq's borders so we can prevent the flow of weapons of mass destruction materials and senior regime officials out of the country."
- Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
Press Conference
4/9/2003



"You bet we're concerned about it. And one of the reasons it's important is because the nexus between terrorist states with weapons of mass destruction ... and terrorist groups - networks - is a critical link. And the thought that ... some of those materials could leave the country and in the hands of terrorist networks would be a very unhappy prospect. So it is important to us to see that that doesn't happen."
- Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
Press Conference
4/9/2003



"But make no mistake - as I said earlier - we have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and it is about. And we have high confidence it will be found."
- Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Press Briefing
4/10/2003



"Were not going to find anything until we find people who tell us where the things are. And we have that very high on our priority list, to find the people who know. And when we do, then well learn precisely where things were and what was done."
- Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
"Meet the Press"
4/13/2003



"We are learning more as we interrogate or have discussions with Iraqi scientists and people within the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he destroyed some, perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them."
- George W. Bush, President
NBC Interview
4/24/2003



"We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so."
- George W. Bush, President
Remarks to Reporters
5/3/2003



"I'm absolutely sure that there are weapons of mass destruction there and the evidence will be forthcoming. We're just getting it just now."
- Colin Powell, Secretary of State
Remarks to Reporters
5/4/2003



"We never believed that we'd just tumble over weapons of mass destruction in that country."
- Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
Fox News Interview
5/4/2003



"I'm not surprised if we begin to uncover the weapons program of Saddam Hussein - because he had a weapons program."
- George W. Bush, President
Remarks to Reporters
5/6/2003



"U.S. officials never expected that 'we were going to open garages and find' weapons of mass destruction."
- Condoleezza Rice, US National Security Adviser
Reuters Interview
5/12/2003



"We said all along that we will never get to the bottom of the Iraqi WMD program simply by going and searching specific sites, that you'd have to be able to get people who know about the programs to talk to you."
- Paul Wolfowitz, Deputy Secretary of Defense
Interview with Australian Broadcasting
5/13/2003



"It's going to take time to find them, but we know he had them. And whether he destroyed them, moved them or hid them, we're going to find out the truth. One thing is for certain: Saddam Hussein no longer threatens America with weapons of mass destruction."
- George W. Bush, President
Speech at a Weapons Factory in Ohio
5/25/2003



"They may have had time to destroy them, and I don't know the answer."
- Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
Remarks to the Council on Foreign Relations
5/27/2003



"For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on."
- Paul Wolfowitz, Deputy Secretary of Defense
Vanity Fair Interview
5/28/2003



"The President is indeed satisfied with the intelligence that he received. And I think that's borne out by the fact that, just as Secretary Powell described at the United Nations, we have found the bio trucks that can be used only for the purpose of producing biological weapons. That's proof-perfect that the intelligence in that regard was right on target."
- Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Press Briefing
5/29/2003



"We have teams of people that are out looking. They've investigated a number of sites. And within the last week or two, they have in fact captured and have in custody two of the mobile trailers that Secretary Powell talked about at the United Nations as being biological weapons laboratories."
- Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
Infinity Radio Interview
5/30/2003



"But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them."
- George W. Bush, President
Interview With TVP Poland
5/30/2003



"You remember when Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons ... They're illegal. They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two ... And we'll find more weapons as time goes on."
- George W. Bush, President
Press Briefing
5/30/2003



"This wasn't material I was making up, it came from the intelligence community."
- Colin Powell, Secretary of State
Press Briefing
6/2/2003



"We recently found two mobile biological weapons facilities which were capable of producing biological agents. This is the man who spent decades hiding tools of mass murder. He knew the inspectors were looking for them. You know better than me he's got a big country in which to hide them. We're on the look. We'll reveal the truth."
- George W. Bush, President
Camp Sayliya, Qatar
6/5/2003



"I would put before you Exhibit A, the mobile biological labs that we have found. People are saying, 'Well, are they truly mobile biological labs?' Yes, they are. And the DCI, George Tenet, Director of Central Intelligence, stands behind that assessment."
- Colin Powell, Secretary of State
Fox News Interview
6/8/2003



"No one ever said that we knew precisely where all of these agents were, where they were stored."
- Condoleezza Rice, US National Security Adviser
"Meet the Press"
6/8/2003



"What the president has said is because it's been the long-standing view of numerous people, not only in this country, not only in this administration, but around the world, including at the United Nations, who came to those conclusions ... And the president is not going to engage in the rewriting of history that others may be trying to engage in."
- Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Response to Question From the Press



"Iraq had a weapons program ... Intelligence throughout the decade showed they had a weapons program. I am absolutely convinced with time we'll find out they did have a weapons program."
- George W. Bush, President
Comment to Reporters
6/9/2003



"The biological weapons labs that we believe strongly are biological weapons labs, we didn't find any biological weapons with those labs. But should that give us any comfort? Not at all. Those were labs that could produce biological weapons whenever Saddam Hussein might have wanted to have a biological weapons inventory."
- Colin Powell, Secretary of State
Associated Press Interview
6/12/2003



"My personal view is that their intelligence has been, I'm sure, imperfect, but good. In other words, I think the intelligence was correct in general, and that you always will find out precisely what it was once you get on the ground and have a chance to talk to people and explore it, and I think that will happen."
- Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
Press Briefing
6/18/2003



"I have reason, every reason, to believe that the intelligence that we were operating off was correct and that we will, in fact, find weapons or evidence of weapons, programs, that are conclusive. But that's just a matter of time ... It's now less than eight weeks since the end of major combat in Iraq and I believe that patience will prove to be a virtue."
- Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
Pentagon Media Briefing
6/24/2003



"I think the burden is on those people who think he didn't have weapons of mass destruction to tell the world where they are."
- Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Press Briefing
7/9/2003

Mainecoons
03-19-2013, 01:47 PM
I can tell when I push your buttons, you start chain posting.

Never mind, I didn't read either one.

What an idiot.

:grin:

Chris
03-19-2013, 01:48 PM
Yea we know what Peter said ... so I guess "everyone" else are liars, and Peter is The Nobel Prize Winner.

Peter was there. Attack the message not the messenger.

Cigar
03-19-2013, 01:51 PM
Peter was there. Attack the message not the messenger.



Shit ... I know personally dozens who were there, so are they all liars also?

nic34
03-19-2013, 01:55 PM
Peter was there. Attack the message not the messenger.

I had family there too. So what?

Cigar
03-19-2013, 01:59 PM
I had family there too. So what?



Looks to me like Peter could have made himself a lot of money since he's the only one with the cake. :)

Mainecoons
03-19-2013, 02:01 PM
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/062012-615581-obama-tells-stories-to-support-radical-agenda.htm?p=full


In "Dreams from My Father," his 1995 memoir, Obama used the story of his paternal grandfather's imprisonment and torture at the hands of British colonists in Kenya as an example of white cruelty. He claimed Hussein Onyango Obama was unjustly detained for six months before being released a crippled, lice-ridden "old man."In fact, none of it is true, according to Washington Post editor and biographer David Maraniss, who traveled to Kenya to investigate the tale. His grandfather was not detained or beaten by his "white rulers," as Obama, writing as a 34-year-old lawyer, claimed.


Lie No. 1: Obama has repeatedly claimed his white grandfather, Stanley Dunham, "fought in Patton's army," when he was a clerk with no combat in WWII.

Lie No. 2: Obama claimed Dunham, a communist sympathizer, signed up for duty "the day after Pearl Harbor," when in fact he waited six months.

Lie No. 3: Obama claimed his father "fought when he got back to Kenya against tribalism and nepotism, but ultimately was blackballed from the government," when in fact he fought against capitalism and lost his job when he advocated communism.
Lie No. 4: Obama has claimed his late mother's health insurer refused "to pay for her treatment" for cancer while citing a "pre-existing condition," when Cigna paid all her hospital bills and never denied payment.
Lie No. 5: Obama claimed he and a black high school friend named "Ray" were ostracized in Honolulu, when in fact the friend, Keith Kakugawa, was half-Japanese, and neither of them experienced discrimination.
Lie No. 6: Obama claimed the father of his Indonesian stepfather was killed by Dutch soldiers while fighting for Indonesian independence, when in fact the story turns out to be "a concocted myth in almost all respects," Maraniss found.
Lie No. 7: Obama claimed his parents decided to marry in the excitement of the Selma civil-rights march of 1965 — and that he personally has "a claim on Selma" — when in fact they were married several years earlier.
Lie No. 8: Obama claimed his father got to study in the U.S. thanks to JFK's efforts to bring "young Africans over to America," when in fact the Kenyan airlift his father participated in occurred in 1959 under Ike.
Lie No. 9: Obama submitted a phony bio to his book publicist claiming he was "born in Kenya."
Lie No. 10: Obama denied being a member of the socialist New Party, when a member roster of the Chicago chapter of the party lists him joining on Jan. 11, 1996.
Lie No. 11: Obama claimed he had only a passing acquaintance with Weather Underground terrorists Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, when in fact they held a fundraiser for their Hyde Park neighbor in their living room, and years later, while Obama served in the U.S. Senate, hosted a barbecue for him in their backyard.
Lie No. 12: Obama claimed he never heard Rev. Jeremiah Wright spew anti-American invectives while sitting in his pews for 20 years, when in fact Obama was moved to tears hearing Wright condemn "white folks" and the U.S. for bombing other countries and even named his second book after the sermon.
Lie No. 13: Obama claimed he got in a "big fight" with old white flame Genevieve Cook, who after seeing a black play asked "why black people were so angry all the time," when in fact she never saw the play nor made the remark.

Look at how much of this stuff is trivial and typical of gratuitous lying. That is a graphic example of what a compulsive liar looks like. This isn't the same as lying about his mishandling of Benghazi or the sequester. Politicians routinely lie for CYA or political gain.

No, this kind of stuff says loud and clear that this individual is a compulsive liar and you cannot trust him even on the stuff that doesn't matter.

BB-35
03-19-2013, 02:01 PM
10 years later, the Iraq war is still a failure

They said it would be a "cakewalk"
They said it would be cheap: $50 billion to $60 billion
They said Iraqi oil would pay for it
They said the war would make America safer
They said it was a just war that would uphold American values

http://news.yahoo.com/10-years-later-iraq-war-still-failure-062800357.html
'they' said nothing of the kind
They Lied!

http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20120515/javadi20120515171111670.jpg

Chris
03-19-2013, 02:04 PM
Shit ... I know personally dozens who were there, so are they all liars also?

No, they may not have found anything. Are you saying Peter is a liar? I wouldn't skate on that thin ice were I you.

Mainecoons
03-19-2013, 02:04 PM
Another idiot who can't understand the difference between out and out lying and political B.S.

And who thinks that anyone here gives a damn about Bush. When you can't defend your own guy, trot out the old strawman, eh?

BB-35
03-19-2013, 02:05 PM
What's amazing is the absolute denial. And most of you will still tell us you didn't vote for Bush, didn't support the Iraq war and so on.... but you defend your conservative heroes at every turn.

An 8-year war built on lies: But when did the lying begin?

An example of the many lies told during this effort to “fix the facts around the policy” was provided when Dick Cheney spoke at the VFW National Convention in August, 2002. Cheney, who obtained five draft deferments during the Vietnam War and never served in the military, told these veterans that – “Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.”

On September 8, 2002, the NY Times published a “leaked story” in careful coordination with same day TV appearances by Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and members of WHIG. This story, which was later found to be completely false, said that Iraq had worked to purchase aluminum tubes for the purpose of developing nuclear weapons.[4] The story was used by Cheney and WHIG to show that even the “liberal media” was in full agreement of the need to go to war with Iraq.

A fact repressed in our national memory is that the entire world was made aware, weeks before the 2003 invasion of Iraq, that forged documents were used by the Bush Administration to justify the invasion. On March 7, the director-general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, Mohamed El Baradei, told the U.N. Security Council that – “The I.A.E.A. has concluded, with the concurrence of outside experts, that these documents . . . are in fact not authentic.”[5] The documents were so obviously fraudulent, in fact, that one western diplomat said –“There were more than 20 anomalies in the Niger documents — it is staggering any intelligence service could have believed they were genuine for a moment.“[6]

Recent admissions from the US intelligence source called “Curveball” have clarified that all the claims that critical source made, in the run-up to the Iraq War, were blatantly false.[7] Those lies were used by Secretary of State Colin Powell in an address to the United Nations on February 5, 2003. Based on Curveball as the source, Powell told the UN about Iraq having bio-weapons labs and clandestine factories by relating — “firsthand descriptions of biological weapons factories on wheels and on rails … The source was an eyewitness who supervised one of these facilities“.

Powell’s speech, with his claims made based on Curveball’s information, was enough to swing the mainstream media and opposition Democratic politicians in favor of going to war against Iraq.[8]
It didn’t stop there, however. Ten days after the invasion started, Donald Rumsfeld was still lying about the WMDs. He said then, in an interview with ABC, “We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.” But as we all know, the WMDs were not in any of those places and we have seen that the Bush Administration knew that these claims were false when they made them. Over the years more evidence that the Bush Administration lied has come to light. This includes admissions from former CIA officers who were directly involved in the process, one of whom said that — “The fact is there was nothing there, no threat. But Bush wanted to hear what he wanted to hear.”[9]

http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2011/02/28/an-8-year-war-built-on-lies-but-when-did-the-lying-begin/


[1] Adam Brookes, Iraq War Justifications Laid Bare, BBC News, September 9, 2006, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5329350.stm


[2] Sourcewatch, White House Iraq Group, http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=White_House_Iraq_Group


[3] The Downing Street Memo, Downingstreetmemo.com, http://downingstreetmemo.com/memos.html


[4] Michael R. Gordon and Judith Miller, Threats And Responses: The Iraqis; U.S. Says Hussein Intensifies Quest For A-Bomb Parts, The New York Times, September 8,2002, http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/08/international/middleeast/08IRAQ.html


[5] Seymour M. Hersh, “Who Lied to Whom? Why did the Administration endorse a forgery about Iraq’s nuclear program?”, The New Yorker, March 24, 2003.

[6] Neil Mackay, “Niger and Iraq: the war’s biggest lie?,” Glasgow Sunday Herald, available at GlobalResearch.ca, http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=498


[7] Martin Chulov and Helen Pidd, Defector Admits To WMD Lies That Triggered Iraq War, The Guardian, February 15, 2011, http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/15/defector-admits-wmd-lies-iraq-war?intcmp=239


[8] Charles Hanley, Powell’s Case for Iraq War Falls Apart 6 Months Later, August, 11, 2003, Associated Press, http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0811-09.htm


[9] Sidney Blumenthal, Bush Knew Saddam Had No Weapons Of Mass Destruction, Salon, September 6, 2007, http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/blumenthal/2007/09/06/bush_wmd/index.html


[10] Amy Zalman, Iraq War – – Bush Iraq War Justification Timeline, About.com, http://terrorism.about.com/od/wariniraq/a/IraqWaronTerror.htm


[11] The more conservative estimates include that of Iraq Body Count (http://www.iraqbodycount.org/) which puts the number of civilian deaths at about 100,000. Others, including Just Foreign Policy (http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq), estimate the deaths from the Iraq War at over 1.4 million. Middle range estimates include that of the British medical journal The Lancet, which in 2008 put the number near 700,000.


[12] Iraq Coalition Casualty Count (iCasualties), Operation Iraqi Freedom, http://icasualties.org/

Nope,no lies....

Mainecoons
03-19-2013, 02:14 PM
Nope. Not smart enough to get your own BS I see.

:rofl:

Captain Obvious
03-19-2013, 04:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkS9y5t0tR0

Cigar
03-22-2013, 01:14 PM
http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ucomics.com/stah130321.gif
http://media.cagle.com/34/2013/03/21/129093_600.jpg

Greenridgeman
03-22-2013, 01:16 PM
Another idiot who can't understand the difference between out and out lying and political B.S.

And who thinks that anyone here gives a damn about Bush. When you can't defend your own guy, trot out the old strawman, eh?


I am still waiting for a liberal to show me one piece of significant Bush era legislation that did not have considerable Democratic support in both Houses of Congress.

Cigar
03-22-2013, 01:19 PM
I am still waiting for a liberal to show me one piece of significant Bush era legislation that did not have considerable Democratic support in both Houses of Congress.



OMG - did you say the unthinkable?

Bi-Partition !

nic34
03-22-2013, 01:58 PM
Bi-partisanship only matters when the repubs are in the w/h.