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Agravan
03-22-2013, 03:04 PM
ObamaCare Could Cost This Bakery Half Its Annual Profits—or Nearly Half Its Full Time Workforce (http://reason.com/blog/2013/03/20/obamacare-could-cost-this-bakery-half-it)Peter Suderman (http://reason.com/people/peter-suderman/all)|Mar. 20, 2013 3:31 pm
http://media.reason.com/mc/_external/2013_03/mmmm-baked-goods-photo-credit.jpg?h=230&w=310Photo credit: kevin dooley / Foter.com / CC BYWhat sort of costs will ObamaCare impose on small business owners? A New York Times story (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/21/business/smallbusiness/a-bakery-with-95-employees-confronts-the-new-health-care-law.html?adxnnl=1&smid=tw-nytimesbusiness&partner=socialflow&pagewanted=2&adxnnlx=1363803401-V9FOQqidgHAU3oXTFJfpTw&pagewanted=print&_r=0) on San Diego bakery Baked in the Sun offers a hint.
Under the law, employers with more than 50 employees must either offer qualifying health insurance to all full time employees or pay a fine of $2,000 per worker each year. Currently, Baked in the Sun does not offer health insurance to 90 of its 95 employees, which means that owners Rachel Shein and Steve Pilarski face a difficult choice: They can offer health insurance to their employees and figure out how to finance the additional cost; they can pay a fine for not offering health insurance; or they trim their full time workforce below 50 employees so that they can avoid both the cost of offering insurance and the cost of the penalty.
Baked in the Sun’s owners estimate that the cost of offering insurance will run about $200 per employee per month, or about $216,000 per year to cover all 90 currently uninsured employees, of which the employer will pay half and the employee would pay the rest. Their annual revenues are $8 million, but because food service is extremely low margin, only about $200,000 of that is profit, meaning that financing the $108,000 employer half of the additional coverage could cost them half of their yearly profits.
Still, it’s clearly a more attractive choice than paying the $2,000 per-worker annual fine, which would actually cost them more than offering the insurance. According to the article, even with an exemption for the first 30 employees, paying the penalty would still cost about $130,000 a year.
If they choose to offer the insurance, they have to find a way to pay for it. Instead of dipping into their profits, the Times notes that the owners could also hike their prices by an average of about 4 percent, passing the costs along to their buyers. But not only does that raise prices, it puts them at a competitive disadvantage with other bakers who employee less than 50 people—and who thus do not have to provide coverage or pay the penalty. “It’s ironic that our success meant we could grow,” Shein tells the Times, “and now we will be competing against smaller companies, with 50 employees or fewer, who will be able to charge less per item because they don’t have the financial burden of health insurance.”
Which is probably why Shein says she’s contemplating a more drastic possibility: cutting her bakery’s full time workforce back to fewer than 50 employees in order to avoid ObamaCare’s costs entirely. Doing that, she says, would mean outsourcing some jobs and eliminating others entirely, as well as converting some current employees to independent contractors.
At the end of the article, Jody Hall, who owns a Seattle cupcake shop with 80 employees, recommends that Shein simply go ahead and offer the coverage and pay the price. Hall does not suggest how to finance the coverage, but she does suggest that it will probably be more affordable than Shein estimates, because not all employees will take the coverage. As evidence, Hall points to her own business, where she says only about half of employees take the coverage offered. But Hall does not account for the fact that starting next year, ObamaCare's individual mandate also goes into effect, meaning that employees who chose not to take coverage offered to them would have to pay a fine.

More: http://reason.com/blog/2013/03/20/obamacare-could-cost-this-bakery-half-it/print

lynn
03-22-2013, 04:31 PM
All employers and citizens should refuse to pay any premiums until they come up with a better plan. United we stand!

nic34
03-22-2013, 05:42 PM
Single payer is a better plan. Glad you're with us.

zelmo1234
03-22-2013, 05:52 PM
The closer we cet the more of these stories you will hear!

And Single payer systems suck! So what are you going to do, the afordable care act was designed to fail and get people to agreee to single payer, when single payer is here, there will be rationing and denied care, just like everywhere else in the world. Most people will be between a rock and a hard place when it comes to medical services, except the rich, and we will pay for those elite doctors that will work only for cash!

Good Luck to the poor and the middle class that will ahve to suffer through with the rest of the system

Peter1469
03-22-2013, 06:57 PM
Single payer is a better plan. Glad you're with us.

Single payer is a worse plan. No single payer, unless there is an opt out for people who can afford good coverage. I would let you have that.

Mainecoons
03-22-2013, 07:35 PM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324557804578374761054496682.html?m od=WSJ_hp_LEFTWhatsNewsCollection

Peter1469
03-22-2013, 07:36 PM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324557804578374761054496682.html?m od=WSJ_hp_LEFTWhatsNewsCollection

Health insurers are privately warning brokers that premiums for many individuals and small businesses could increase sharply next year because of the health-care overhaul law, with the nation's biggest firm projecting that rates could more than double for some consumers buying their own plans.

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The projected increases are at odds with what the Obama Administration says consumers should be expecting overall in terms of cost. The Department of Health and Human Services says that the law will "make health-care coverage more affordable and accessible," pointing to a 2009 analysis by the Congressional Budget Office that says average individual premiums, on an apples-to-apples basis, would be lower.

Captain Obvious
03-22-2013, 10:20 PM
Most people who advocate single payer don't understand the danger.

They see "single payer" and immediately think "free healthcare for everyone".

Peter1469
03-22-2013, 10:45 PM
We are already sending ~$1.3T per year more than we have. I am not sure where the single payer system is going to fit in.