Drug Overdoses Heroin Use Rise Sharply In Kenosha County

[Santa's Little Helper]

Drug overdose deaths spiked sharply in 2012 with 40% of those deaths involving heroin

According to Data from from the Kenosha County medical examiners office 47 people died from drug overdoses in 2012 in 19 of those deaths heroin was involved

Overdose deaths in the county were up 62% from 2011 with heroin related deaths up 171%

While the typical stereotype of drug abuse is young people only 12 were under the age of 30

26 deaths were in their 40's or 50's the oldest victim was 69 years old

Deaths have occurred countywide including Pleasant Prairie, Twin Lakes, Bristol, Paris and Trevor

HEROIN USE INCREASES

WHILE most deaths involve a mixture. Of drugs the insolvent of heroin is increasingly prevalant

"Unfortunately this is a trend we are seeing in southeast Wisconsin and across the stateline in neighboring Lake County Illinois
says Sgt Kenneth Urquhart of the Kenosha County Sherrifs Department

Urquhart heads the Kenosha Drug Operations Unit says heroin use has been increasing over the past several years with a much sharper spike just in the last 12-18 months

One of the reasons Urquhart believes is that people have become addicted to perscrpition painkillers like oxycodone are shifting to street heroin as it becomes more difficult and more expensive to Obtain pills

Urquhart said heroin users are at increased risk for overdose because there is no consistency

"Unlike perscrpition pills you don't know what you are getting" he said

"You might buy 2 doses from the same pusher and each baggie can be totally different and you won't know until it's already in your body"

[Captain Obvious]

Social Darwinism.

[Santa's Little Helper]

Social Darwinism.

Call it what you will but these drugs flow the streets like tap water

Inturn crime rates are skyrocketing

The latest craze is Scrap Metal theft

These junkies will bust your central air unit open to steal the copper coils

That copper fetches about 20 bucks at a scrap yard in raw commodity rate while causing HUNDREDS in property damage

Worse afew years ago a vacant house was looted of copper tubing and wire in the process they nicked a gas line causing an explosion that caused widespread damage across a 4 square block vicinity

An even bolder case reported from Waukegan a dirtbag ripped aluminum siding off a house in broad day light

Why

TO BUY DOPE

[lynn]

Over doses are fast climbing the statistical charts for deaths and are increasing in emergency room visits.

[hanger4]

Call it what you will but these drugs flow the streets like tap water

Inturn crime rates are skyrocketing

The latest craze is Scrap Metal theft

These junkies will bust your central air unit open to steal the copper coils

That copper fetches about 20 bucks at a scrap yard in raw commodity rate while causing HUNDREDS in property damage

Worse afew years ago a vacant house was looted of copper tubing and wire in the process they nicked a gas line causing an explosion that caused widespread damage across a 4 square block vicinity

An even bolder case reported from Waukegan a dirtbag ripped aluminum siding off a house in broad day light

Why

TO BUY DOPE

FBI reports say ALL crimes rates decreasing for multi years in a row.

You got stats that say other wise ??

[waltky]

Heroin in the `burbs...
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Smack in the suburbs
31 August 2016 - The US is in the throes of a heroin and opioid epidemic - drug overdose has become the leading cause of accidental death, overtaking traffic accidents.


It is a health crisis with tentacles reaching across the social spectrum. Lorain County, in the state of Ohio, is mostly suburban and middle-class, with a large rural hinterland. Its population is only 305,000 but for the last three years, the number of fatal opiate overdoses has hovered at around 65. This year it only took six months to reach that figure. Avon Lake is the county's wealthiest community - an upmarket suburb of the city of Cleveland. Here, on the shores of Lake Erie, the scourge of opiates - prescription pills and street heroin - is tearing at the fabric of a tightly-knit neighbourhood.

The addict

Mason Butler is smoking in the garden. The cicadas are close to deafening, Mason has hardly slept and his mother, Marnie, has arrived to drive him to rehab. This will be his seventh attempt at getting clean. "Every time, you have to have hope," he says. "But when it doesn't work out you get more discouraged than the last time. It kind of sucks when you just feel like a chronic relapser…" Like so many American heroin addicts, Butler first got hooked on pain medication. At high school he was a wrestler, and the doctor prescribed an opiate drug for his injuries. "I took it the first time, and I was like, 'That's it.' It hit the mark. That was the high I was looking for and I chased it from the age of 16. Now I'm 26…"

Although he claims he is determined to quit, Butler has arranged to meet a heroin dealer on his way to rehab, to score a final hit. Marnie is not fully aware of her son's plan until she finds herself waiting for him outside a fast food restaurant off the highway. "I didn't realise," she says. "It's very stressful - I just want to get him there. And it's nerve-wracking because I didn't bring the nalaxone kit," she says.

Nalaxone is a prescription medicine that reverses an opiate overdose, and is credited with saving thousands of lives. Ohio's emergency services carry it, and it is available in pharmacies. In Lorain County, like much of the US, the spike in fatalities has been caused by fentanyl, a synthetic opiate pain reliever dozens of times more powerful than heroin. It is the drug that killed Prince. Drug dealers are cutting it with heroin - with or without the user's knowledge. Back in the car, Butler shoots up the heroin he has scored. Marnie is deeply upset - it's the first time she has seen this. An hour later, he is pushing the buzzer at the door of the rehab facility. "I'm here to get admitted," he slurs into the intercom. "Oh, wonderful, come on in," says a bright, disembodied voice.

The cop (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-37224075)

[Mac-7]

Drug overdose deaths spiked sharply in 2012 with 40% of those deaths involving heroin

According to Data from from the Kenosha County medical examiners office 47 people died from drug overdoses in 2012 in 19 of those deaths heroin was involved

Overdose deaths in the county were up 62% from 2011 with heroin related deaths up 171%

While the typical stereotype of drug abuse is young people only 12 were under the age of 30

26 deaths were in their 40's or 50's the oldest victim was 69 years old

Deaths have occurred countywide including Pleasant Prairie, Twin Lakes, Bristol, Paris and Trevor

HEROIN USE INCREASES

WHILE most deaths involve a mixture. Of drugs the insolvent of heroin is increasingly prevalant

"Unfortunately this is a trend we are seeing in southeast Wisconsin and across the stateline in neighboring Lake County Illinois
says Sgt Kenneth Urquhart of the Kenosha County Sherrifs Department

Urquhart heads the Kenosha Drug Operations Unit says heroin use has been increasing over the past several years with a much sharper spike just in the last 12-18 months

One of the reasons Urquhart believes is that people have become addicted to perscrpition painkillers like oxycodone are shifting to street heroin as it becomes more difficult and more expensive to Obtain pills

Urquhart said heroin users are at increased risk for overdose because there is no consistency

"Unlike perscrpition pills you don't know what you are getting" he said

"You might buy 2 doses from the same pusher and each baggie can be totally different and you won't know until it's already in your body"

If we legalize drugs as the libertarians are demanding how does that stop people from using herion?

[Ethereal]

If we legalize drugs as the libertarians are demanding how does that stop people from using herion?

There is nothing that will stop people from using heroin if that's what they want to do.

The point of legalization isn't to stop adults from using or abusing drugs.

I know this might be an alien concept to you, but libertarians believe that adults own their own bodies and can do what they want as long as they aren't infringing on the rights of others.

[AeonPax]

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A lot of Racine and Kenosha's problems come direct from Chicago and the FIB's.

[Mac-7]

There is nothing that will stop people from using heroin if that's what they want to do.

The point of legalization isn't to stop adults from using or abusing drugs.

I know this might be an alien concept to you, but libertarians believe that adults own their own bodies and can do what they want as long as they aren't infringing on the rights of others.

What happens to those privately owned bodies when the druggies get so messed up they cant function?

they turn to the government

so drug abuse is the publics business

[Truth Detector]

All this would end if we would just legalize drugs. :rofl:

[Ethereal]

What happens to those privately owned bodies when the druggies get so messed up they cant function?

they turn to the government

so drug abuse is the publics business

Why do you always asked loaded questions?

Libertarians are against welfare.

And drug addicts already get welfare under the system you support.

Not only that, drug prohibition costs taxpayers billions of dollars to enforce and maintain.

Yet you keep making this stupid, brainless argument that because a drug addict MIGHT get some welfare, that somehow drug use is your business.

Never mind the fact that plenty of adults are capable of using drugs responsibly without becoming welfare dependents.

Just admit it. You love big government. You are a busy-body who cannot help himself. You have to control others and stick your nose in where it doesn't belong, just like a Democrat. You're no different.

[Truth Detector]

What happens to those privately owned bodies when the druggies get so messed up they cant function?

they turn to the government

so drug abuse is the publics business

....or hit someone while driving stoned.....or kill someone for their drug habit.....or pimp themselves out.....or steal to pay for their drug habits because they cannot hold down a steady job......the Libertarian world of anarchy is a world for morons and losers.

I love this notion that humans do not need religion, or morality or guidance; they should be able to do anything they want to themselves....which is why we have urban sewers filled with drug lords, murderous thugs and fatherless children.

[Ethereal]

All this would end if we would just legalize drugs. :rofl:

No it wouldn't.

Nobody claims that legalizing drugs will end drug abuse, just like nobody claimed that ending alcohol prohibition was going to end alcoholism.

Legalizing drugs boils down to a belief that individuals own themselves and that the government does not have the authority to interfere with their personal choices UNLESS those choices result in the violation of another person's equal rights.

Apparently, you think individuals do not own themselves, but are the property of the government.

Just like Mac, you are a tyrannical nanny-state apologist who wants unconstitutional, big government policies to make you feel safe and secure.

You two should just stop pretending and join the Democrat party already.

[Truth Detector]

Libertarians are against welfare.

Well, you're going to need a LOT of it when you allow individuals to do anything they want to their bodies without rules, regulations or laws. :biglaugh:

Arguments like these suggest a complete and total ignorance of human nature.


And drug addicts already get welfare under the system you support.

It isn't the system Conservatives support; it is the system Progressives have created and that lead to the decline of civilization like that seen in Detroit and many of our inner cities.


Not only that, drug prohibition costs taxpayers billions of dollars to enforce and maintain.

Drug legalization will cost far more; many are just too dense or ignorant to comprehend it.


Yet you keep making this stupid, brainless argument that because a drug addict MIGHT get some welfare, that somehow drug use is your business.

I find this statement ironic considering the naïve and brainless arguments you propose.


Never mind the fact that plenty of adults are capable of using drugs responsibly without becoming welfare dependents.

:rofl:


Just admit it. You love big government. You are a busy-body who cannot help himself. You have to control others and stick your nose in where it doesn't belong, just like a Democrat. You're no different.

Yep; it never fails. When your arguments fail, always resort to ad Homs and strawman insults. :biglaugh:

[Ethereal]

....or hit someone while driving stoned.....or kill someone for their drug habit.....or pimp themselves out.....or steal to pay for their drug habits because they cannot hold down a steady job......the Libertarian world of anarchy is a world for morons and losers.

I love this notion that humans do not need religion, or morality or guidance; they should be able to do anything they want to themselves....which is why we have urban sewers filled with drug lords, murderous thugs and fatherless children.

What are you so stupid? Is it on purpose?

If someone violates another individual's rights, whether they're stoned or completely sober, they should be dealt with accordingly.

And do you not understand the difference between promoting religion and morality and using the government to force it on people?

Why are you such a nanny-state apologist anyway? Did someone in your family have a drug problem and that is why you feel entitled to lord over complete strangers?

[Truth Detector]

No it wouldn't.

Nobody claims that legalizing drugs will end drug abuse, just like nobody claimed that ending alcohol prohibition was going to end alcoholism.

Legalizing drugs boils down to a belief that individuals own themselves and that the government does not have the authority to interfere with their personal choices UNLESS those choices result in the violation of another person's equal rights.

Apparently, you think individuals do not own themselves, but are the property of the government.

Just like Mac, you are a tyrannical nanny-state apologist who wants unconstitutional, big government policies to make you feel safe and secure.

You two should just stop pretending and join the Democrat party already.

Wrong again; but at least you are consistent. I am fascinated by the infantile like belief that humans can control themselves when left without rules, regulations, religion and standards of decency.

[Truth Detector]

What are you so stupid? Is it on purpose?

If someone violates another individual's rights, whether they're stoned or completely sober, they should be dealt with accordingly.

And do you not understand the difference between promoting religion and morality and using the government to force it on people?

Why are you such a nanny-state apologist anyway? Did someone in your family have a drug problem and that is why you feel entitled to lord over complete strangers?

You're so cute when you stomp your feet and lash out. :biglaugh:

[Ethereal]

Well, you're going to need a LOT of it when you allow individuals to do anything they want to their bodies without rules, regulations or laws. :biglaugh:

Arguments like these suggest a complete and total ignorance of human nature.



It isn't the system Conservatives support; it is the system Progressives have created and that lead to the decline of civilization like that seen in Detroit and many of our inner cities.



Drug legalization will cost far more; many are just too dense or ignorant to comprehend it.



I find this statement ironic considering the naïve and brainless arguments you propose.



:rofl:



Yep; it never fails. When your arguments fail, always resort to ad Homs and strawman insults. :biglaugh:

Legalizing drugs will cost more than prohibition? You are even dumber than I thought.

Not only would legalizing drugs save billions of dollars in enforcement costs, it would also provide a new source of tax revenues.

We know this because that's what happened when they ended alcohol prohibition. Duh.

But you love big government so much, that you will make the dumbest, most dishonest arguments in order to preserve your precious nanny-state, even though there is absolutely no constitutional basis for federal drug prohibition.

What a sad little man you are.

[Ethereal]

Wrong again; but at least you are consistent. I am fascinated by the infantile like belief that humans can control themselves when left without rules, regulations, religion and standards of decency.

The only way you can argue against libertarians is by making things up.

Because no libertarian has EVER said there should be no rules.

That is just a stupid fabrication by morons who cannot refute libertarian arguments.

So when are you going to be honest with yourself and join the rest of the nanny-state apologists in the Democrat party?

[Ethereal]

You're so cute when you stomp your feet and lash out. :biglaugh:

I thrash you every time we debate, without exception.

You are far too stupid to handle me.

But being stupid can be an advantage, because you're too dumb to know when you've been beaten, so you just keep coming back for more.

In any case, you support an expensive, unconstitutional, big government failure, and you support it because you're no different than nanny-state Democrats who think they are the masters of society.

I can't think of anything more pathetic than a person who pretends to be a small government, constitutional conservative, yet goes around defending one of the most egregious, unconstitutional big government programs in American history.

The level of hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance that requires is astonishing.

[Mac-7]

Why do you always asked loaded questions?

Libertarians are against welfare.

And drug addicts already get welfare under the system you support.

Not only that, drug prohibition costs taxpayers billions of dollars to enforce and maintain.

Yet you keep making this stupid, brainless argument that because a drug addict MIGHT get some welfare, that somehow drug use is your business.

Never mind the fact that plenty of adults are capable of using drugs responsibly without becoming welfare dependents.

Just admit it. You love big government. You are a busy-body who cannot help himself. You have to control others and stick your nose in where it doesn't belong, just like a Democrat. You're no different.

if you are against welfare then dont put the cart before the horse by legalizing drugs before you end welfare.

because all you are doing is creating more drug addicts that the welfare system has to take care of

[Ethereal]

Just to recap:

1. No libertarian has ever said there should be no rules. That is a complete fabrication by idiot liars.
2. No libertarian has ever claimed that legalizing drugs will end drug abuse. That is another fabrication by idiot liars.
3. Legalizing drugs WILL save taxpayers billions of dollars annually, and it WILL provide the government with NEW sources of tax revenue. This is EXACTLY what happened when alcohol prohibition was repealed and when marijuana was legalized in Colorado.
4. NONE of the doomsday scenarios posited by lying idiot prohibitionists have EVER come true as a result of legalization or decriminalization.
5. Legalizing drugs WILL take away a HUGE source of profits for organized crime, just like it did when America repealed alcohol prohibition. That is why Budweiser salespeople aren't shooting Miller Genuine Draft salespeople in turf wars.

All told, legalization will produce nothing but benefits for society, whereas prohibition produces nothing but MASSIVE and CONTINUAL failure.

[Ethereal]

if you are against welfare then dont put the cart before the horse by legalizing drugs before you end welfare.

because all you are doing is creatong more drug addicts that the welfare system has to take care of

I refuse to be held hostage by your dumb preconditions.

Not only because there is ZERO evidence to support your claim that drug legalization will increase drug abuse, but because drug prohibition already costs taxpayers BILLIONS of dollars every year.

So no matter how you look at it, there is absolutely no argument that rationalizes drug prohibition.

You are just a puritanical busy body who cannot stand the thought of someone, somewhere doing something you don't like, which is why you want them to be harassed and imprisoned on the taxpayer dime, even though you cannot provide a shred of proof that what you're doing is beneficial or even constitutional.

[Ethereal]

Isn't it amazing how people like Truth Detector and Mac-7 keep telling everyone that gun laws don't actually stop gun crime, yet they are absolutely convinced that drug laws stop people from abusing drugs?

So which one is it? Are government laws largely ineffective at stopping people from doing what they want or do they have magical powers that stop significant amounts of people from engaging in the prohibited act?

[Mac-7]

I refuse to be held hostage by your dumb preconditions.

Not only because there is ZERO evidence to support your claim that drug legalization will increase drug abuse, but because drug prohibition already costs taxpayers BILLIONS of dollars every year.

So no matter how you look at it, there is absolutely no argument that rationalizes drug prohibition.

You are just a puritanical busy body who cannot stand the thought of someone, somewhere doing something you don't like, which is why you want them to be harassed and imprisoned on the taxpayer dime, even though you cannot provide a shred of proof that what you're doing is beneficial or even constitutional.

What is the point of arguing with a drug zombie?

you never know when its them or the drugs that is talking.

[Ethereal]

What is the point of arguing with a drug zombie?

you never know when its them or the drugs that is talking.

You lose, as usual.

Maybe you can find a government nanny to swaddle you.

[Mac-7]

You lose, as usual.

Maybe you can find a government nanny to swaddle you.

The druggie says I lose

but you are the one who freaks out everytime a cop car stops in your driveway

you dont know whether to grab your gun or flush your drugs down the toilet

[Ethereal]

The druggie says I lose

but you are the one who freaks out everytime a cop car stops in your driveway

you dont know whether to grab your gun or flush your drugs down the toilet

Yes, you lose.

Because you cannot refute anything I said.

You just resort to lame insults, as if I cared about your opinion.

You're nothing to me but a random douche bag on the internet who is dumber than a box of rocks.

[Truth Detector]

I thrash you every time we debate, without exception.

You are far too stupid to handle me.

But being stupid can be an advantage, because you're too dumb to know when you've been beaten, so you just keep coming back for more.

In any case, you support an expensive, unconstitutional, big government failure, and you support it because you're no different than nanny-state Democrats who think they are the masters of society.

I can't think of anything more pathetic than a person who pretends to be a small government, constitutional conservative, yet goes around defending one of the most egregious, unconstitutional big government programs in American history.

The level of hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance that requires is astonishing.

:rofl: You couldn't "thrash" your way out of a wet paper sack. Your naiveté is only super exceeded by your misplaced arrogance and condescension.

[Truth Detector]

if you are against welfare then dont put the cart before the horse by legalizing drugs before you end welfare.

because all you are doing is creating more drug addicts that the welfare system has to take care of

He lacks the basic intelligence to comprehend this much. But he has stomping his feet and lashing out down pat!!! :biglaugh:

[Ethereal]

:rofl: You couldn't "thrash" your way out of a wet paper sack. Your naiveté is only super exceeded by your misplaced arrogance and condescension.

Another loser who cannot disprove anything I said.

Move along, dweeb.

[Ethereal]

He lacks the basic intelligence to comprehend this much. But he has stomping his feet and lashing out down pat!!! :biglaugh:

Since when is refuting your dumb, mindless, nanny-state apologia lashing out?

[Common Sense]

Sweet thread...

[Truth Detector]

Isn't it amazing how people like Truth Detector and Mac-7 keep telling everyone that gun laws don't actually stop gun crime, yet they are absolutely convinced that drug laws stop people from abusing drugs?

So which one is it? Are government laws largely ineffective at stopping people from doing what they want or do they have magical powers that stop significant amounts of people from engaging in the prohibited act?

When have we EVER argued that NO gun laws were necessary? I am quite certain that you cannot wrap your angry little head around the cognitive dissonance of your own arguments. :rofl:

The argument is MORE gun laws will not prevent CRIMINALS from obtaining them or prevent gun crimes just as NO Drug laws will not reduce incarceration rates or crime. DUH

[Mac-7]

:rofl: You couldn't "thrash" your way out of a wet paper sack. Your naiveté is only super exceeded by your misplaced arrogance and condescension.

When he gets high Ethereal thinks he can whip the whole world with one hand tied behind his back

[Truth Detector]

Another loser who cannot disprove anything I said.

Move along, dweeb.

It has been disproved a thousand times; but you're incapable of comprehending it because you're too busy stomping your little feet and lashing out at anyone who disagrees with your naïve infantile like arguments.

Carry on! :laugh:

[Truth Detector]

When he gets high Ethereal thinks he can whip the whole world with one hand tied behind his back

That must be it; but it is funny watching him stomping his feet and lashing out with impunity taking the forum rules for granted. :biglaugh:

[Ethereal]

When have we EVER argued that NO gun laws were necessary? I am quite certain that you cannot wrap your angry little head around the cognitive dissonance of your own arguments. :rofl:

The argument is MORE gun laws will not prevent CRIMINALS from obtaining them or prevent gun crimes just as NO Drug laws will not reduce incarceration rates or crime. DUH

You're against banning guns, right? Because banning guns will not stop people from abusing guns, right?

Yet you think banning drugs will stop people from abusing drugs. Why?

[Truth Detector]

Yessiree; in loser land, humans can be trusted to use whatever drugs they want without affecting ANYONE around them. How do we know this? Because Libertarians say it is so. :rofl:

[Ethereal]

When he gets high Ethereal thinks he can whip the whole world with one hand tied behind his back

I just did whip you and your boyfriend, and I did so with barely any effort. I know this because every point I've made so far remains totally unchallenged by either of you. You got nothing.

[Ethereal]

It has been disproved a thousand times; but you're incapable of comprehending it because you're too busy stomping your little feet and lashing out at anyone who disagrees with your naïve infantile like arguments.

Carry on! :laugh:

You haven't disproved anything, ever.

You are a nanny-state apologist who will go to his grave defending one of the most egregious, unconstitutional big government assaults on liberty in American history.

But it's only a matter of time before you become politically impotent. Within a decade, millennials will be in charge and we won't be listening to idiots like you. So instead of worrying about politics, you should start looking for a good nursing home where you can wither away in complete ignominy and irrelevance.

[Truth Detector]

You're against banning guns, right? Because banning guns will not stop people from abusing guns, right?

I am; BUT, I am not against regulating them and trying to keep them OUT of the hands of felons and terrorists.

Using your argument; weaponry should be completely unregulated and humans should be allowed to have any weapon they desire because they can be trusted and if they abuse them, they will be prosecuted.


Yet you think banning drugs will stop people from abusing drugs. Why?

I never claimed they would "STOP" people from abusing them. My argument is that regulating them is necessary due to the human tendency to destroy himself and others if left unregulated. It has been proven throughout human history. When people are given free license to do as they please, they tend to do much more stupid things than when they were regulated.

Should heroin be legalized? Should cocaine? How about the current "legal" drugs that are regulated where only a doctor can prescribe them? Oxycodone anyone? You can't just declare that drugs should be legalized and then select a few that should remain illegal can you?

What would happen if we had no speed limits and allowed humans to drive any speed they desired? Why regulate drivers licenses? Why can't we just buy a car and drive off with it; who needs Government interventions.

[Ethereal]

That must be it; but it is funny watching him stomping his feet and lashing out with impunity taking the forum rules for granted. :biglaugh:

Laugh all you want. I'm winning the argument. That is why states like Colorado legalized marijuana, because people are slowly but surely realizing that prohibitionist arguments are based on lies and fabrications. It's only a matter of time before the entire prohibitionist scam falls apart and people like you are shoved out of the political arena never to be heard from again. And then I'll be the one laughing... :smiley:

[Ethereal]

Yessiree; in loser land, humans can be trusted to use whatever drugs they want without affecting ANYONE around them. How do we know this? Because Libertarians say it is so. :rofl:

Another blatant lie by a pathological idiot.

No libertarian has ever claimed that legalizing drugs will magically stop drug abuse.

[Ethereal]

I am; BUT, I am not against regulating them and trying to keep them OUT of the hands of felons and terrorists.

Using your argument; weaponry should be completely unregulated and humans should be allowed to have any weapon they desire because they can be trusted and if they abuse them, they will be prosecuted.



I never claimed they would "STOP" people from abusing them. My argument is that regulating them is necessary due to the human tendency to destroy himself and others if left unregulated. It has been proven throughout human history. When people are given free license to do as they please, they tend to do much more stupid things than when they were regulated.

Should heroin be legalized? Should cocaine? How about the current "legal" drugs that are regulated where only a doctor can prescribe them? Oxycodone anyone? You can't just declare that drugs should be legalized and then select a few that should remain illegal can you?

What would happen if we had no speed limits and allowed humans to drive any speed they desired? Why regulate drivers licenses? Why can't we just buy a car and drive off with it; who needs Government interventions.

There were no federal drug laws in America until the early 1900's. It wasn't until PROGRESSIVES, your ideological forefathers, that federal drug prohibition became a reality in America.

Either way, you are against banning guns because you believe gun bans will not stop people from doing bad things with guns, yet you are in favor of banning drugs because you believe drug bans will stop people from doing bad things with drugs.

You are a clueless idiot who holds totally contradictory viewpoints, and a complete phony as well.

[Mac-7]

That must be it; but it is funny watching him stomping his feet and lashing out with impunity taking the forum rules for granted. :biglaugh:

The would looks a lot different to druggies from up there on Cloud Nine than it does to the rest of us here on earth

[Ethereal]

The would looks a lot different to druggies from up there on Cloud Nine than it does to the rest of us here on earth

You are nowhere near the earth. You are a sheltered, puritanical nanny-state apologist who is afraid of his own shadow and needs the government to swaddle him.

[Ethereal]

TD and Mac, against gun bans because banning guns does not work.

But in favor of drug bans because banning drugs does work.

And these idiots actually think they're smart?

[Truth Detector]

The would looks a lot different to druggies from up there on Cloud Nine than it does to the rest of us here on earth

That would explain a lot.

[Truth Detector]

I just did whip you and your boyfriend, and I did so with barely any effort. I know this because every point I've made so far remains totally unchallenged by either of you. You got nothing.

:rofl:@ boyfriend. You're just full of idiotic meme's aren't you?

[Truth Detector]

Since when is refuting your dumb, mindless, nanny-state apologia lashing out?

You seldom refute anything; you stomp your little feet, rant and insult thinking that this somehow constitutes a coherent rebuttal. It is infantile, but you do that well.

[Truth Detector]

When he gets high Ethereal thinks he can whip the whole world with one hand tied behind his back

So true; it's cute when he stomps his feet.

[Chris]

What are you so stupid? Is it on purpose?

If someone violates another individual's rights, whether they're stoned or completely sober, they should be dealt with accordingly.

And do you not understand the difference between promoting religion and morality and using the government to force it on people?

Why are you such a nanny-state apologist anyway? Did someone in your family have a drug problem and that is why you feel entitled to lord over complete strangers?


Wrong again; but at least you are consistent. I am fascinated by the infantile like belief that humans can control themselves when left without rules, regulations, religion and standards of decency.


You're so cute when you stomp your feet and lash out. :biglaugh:


Legalizing drugs will cost more than prohibition? You are even dumber than I thought.

Not only would legalizing drugs save billions of dollars in enforcement costs, it would also provide a new source of tax revenues.

We know this because that's what happened when they ended alcohol prohibition. Duh.

But you love big government so much, that you will make the dumbest, most dishonest arguments in order to preserve your precious nanny-state, even though there is absolutely no constitutional basis for federal drug prohibition.

What a sad little man you are.


What is the point of arguing with a drug zombie?

you never know when its them or the drugs that is talking.


The druggie says I lose

but you are the one who freaks out everytime a cop car stops in your driveway

you dont know whether to grab your gun or flush your drugs down the toilet


:rofl: You couldn't "thrash" your way out of a wet paper sack. Your naiveté is only super exceeded by your misplaced arrogance and condescension.



I got tired of collecting name calling and insults. Discuss topic or find one you can.

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Collected a few more; it was easy. You just have to try. ;)


What are you so stupid? Is it on purpose?


You are even dumber than I thought.


You are far too stupid to handle me.


Another loser who cannot disprove anything I said.
Move along, dweeb.


Another blatant lie by a pathological idiot.


You are a clueless idiot who holds totally contradictory viewpoints, and a complete phony as well.


You are nowhere near the earth. You are a sheltered, puritanical nanny-state apologist who is afraid of his own shadow and needs the government to swaddle him.


And these idiots actually think they're smart?

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Sessions gettin' tough on drug gangs...
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US Deaths from Drug Overdoses Set Record in 2016
September 21, 2017 - U.S. deaths from drug overdoses set a record of more than 64,000 in 2016, driven by an intractable opioid crisis, U.S. Attorney General said Thursday, citing preliminary government data.


Provisional data released last month by the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) showed that there were 64,070 drug overdose deaths in the United States in 2016, up 21 percent from 52,898 the year before. The NCHS is an arm of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The 2016 estimate "would be the highest drug death toll and the fastest increase in that death toll in American history," Sessions said. "And every day this crisis continues to grow, as more than 5,000 Americans abuse painkillers for the first time."


Opioids such as heroin and the synthetic drug fentanyl were responsible for most of the fatal overdoses, killing more than 33,000 Americans — quadruple the number from 20 years ago. "More Americans died of drug overdoses than died from car crashes or died from AIDS at the height of the AIDS epidemic," Sessions said. "For Americans under the age of 50, drug overdoses are now the leading cause of death." Sessions spoke at an event in Charleston, West Virginia, a state with the highest drug overdose rate in the country. In 2015, West Virginia reported more than 41 overdose deaths per 100,000 people, compared with a national average of 16 per 100,000, according to NCHS data.



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A bag of 4-fluoro isobutyryl fentanyl, which was seized in a drug raid, is displayed at the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) Special Testing and Research Laboratory in Sterling, Virginia



Sessions said President Donald Trump's campaign pledge to end the opioid crisis remains a priority for his administration. "I believe that the department's new resources and new efforts will bring more criminals to justice, and ultimately save lives," Sessions said. "And I'm convinced this is a winnable war." In March, Trump named New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, a former presidential candidate, to head the newly formed President's Commission on Combating Drug Addiction and the Opioid Crisis.


Last month, the commission urged the administration to declare the opioid crisis a national emergency. "With approximately 142 Americans dying every day, America is enduring a death toll equal to September 11th every three weeks," the commission said in an interim report. Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price said that no declaration was necessary to combat the crisis, but White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders later said Trump was taking the idea "absolutely seriously."


https://www.voanews.com/a/us-deaths-drug-overdoses-set-record/4039683.html


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US Attorney General Warns Gang Members: 'We Will Hunt You Down'
September 21, 2017 — U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions warned gang members on Thursday that they will be huntd down and brought to justice so they can no longer terrorize communities.


Sessions told law enforcement officials in Boston that they cannot allow violent street gangs such as MS-13 to turn cities into war zones. "We are coming for you,'' Sessions said during a speech at the federal courthouse. "We will hunt you down, we will find you and we will bring you to justice.'' MS-13, or La Mara Salvatrucha, is believed to have been founded in Los Angeles in the 1980s by immigrants fleeing El Salvador's bloody civil war and has grown into one of the largest street gangs in the country, with more than 10,000 members, federal officials say.


The gang, whose motto is "kill, rape, control,'' is known for its use of gruesome tactics, including hacking and stabbing its victims with machetes. It has been tied to a wave of recent violence on Long Island, just east of New York City, and has been linked to brutal killings in other states. Sessions applauded Massachusetts federal prosecutors' dedication to dismantling the gang, pointing to a massive roundup of its members in the state last year. More than 50 members of the gang in and around Boston were indicted in January 2016 on federal racketeering charges, including murder, conspiracy to commit murder and attempted murder.



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Protesters gather outside the federal courthouse in Boston where U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions was speaking to law enforcement officials about transnational organized crime


Sessions, a Republican, said gangs are exploiting a program for unaccompanied minors found crossing the southern border by sending members over as "wolves in sheep clothing'' and recruiting in communities. Gregory Chen, director of government relations for the American Immigration Lawyers Association, called that assertion "truly baseless.'' The program aids children fleeing violence in their home countries, he said. "He's trying to inflame public opinion against this highly vulnerable population,'' Chen said.


A few dozen protesters carrying signs with phrases such as #NotWelcome gathered outside the courthouse before Sessions' speech to condemn his views on immigration and law enforcement.Sessions' visit to Boston included a briefing from local officials on MS-13 and a discussion with local police chiefs.


https://www.voanews.com/a/us-attorney-general-warns-gang-members-we-will-hunt-you-down-/4039641.html

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Democrats dislike our laws enforced