Eureka they struck Oil in Arkansas

[Cigar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=u30m8U6VP3E Good Old Safe transportation of Oil, yet again proven to be false. Coming to a neighborhood near you.

[keymanjim]

What does Erika have to do with this?

[nic34]

Now you know why British Columbia doesn't want that pipe....

[Cigar]

Now you know why British Columbia doesn't want that pipe....


They will defend them no matter what :laugh:

[TNHarley]

Good things have bad consequences, no doubt
It is still a good thing when the good outweighs the bad
Screw jobs, independence and the economy right?
Lets focus on taking guns from law abiders, gay rights and talking about Bush LOL

[Private Pickle]

Who is Erika and why is she striking oil? Isn't that a little mean?

[nic34]

Good things have bad consequences, no doubt
It is still a good thing when the good outweighs the bad
Screw jobs, independence and the economy right?
Lets focus on taking guns from law abiders, gay rights and talking about Bush LOL

Canadian oil companies and Canadian workers benefit not the US. There will be few American jobs, and they will be temporary.

The oil is sold on the international market.

Now what?

[TNHarley]

20,000 US jobs means nothing?
Expanding US refineries means nothing?
Exerting downward pressure on gas prices means nothing?
Reducing the relative reliance of hostile oil-producing regimes means nothing?

[BB-35]

Canadian oil companies and Canadian workers benefit not the US. There will be few American jobs, and they will be temporary.

The oil is sold on the international market.

Now what?

Someone isn't familiar with pipeline operations..

[nic34]

Probably even less jobs and probably not much being refined here:

The U.S. Department of State, writing in an environmental impact statement, estimated the pipeline would create far fewer jobs that what the pipeline company, oil industry and project supporters in Congress suggest. The project, it said, “would result in hiring approximately 5,000 to 6,000 workers over the three-year construction period.”

A Cornell University study projected far fewer pipeline jobs than another other source, citing TransCanada's own estimates to the U.S. government.

"The project will create no more than 2,500-4,650 temporary direct construction jobs for two years, according to TransCanada’s own data supplied to the State Department," the university's Global Labor Institute wrote in report titled "Pipe Dreams." "The company’s claim that KXL will create 20,000 direct construction and manufacturing jobs in the U.S is not substantiated."

The key finding from Cornell University was that many of the jobs claims coming from project supporters are linked to a $7 billion pipeline project. Scholars note that the budget that would have a bearing on U.S. jobs is "dramatically lower - only around $3 billion to $4 billion. A lower project budget means fewer jobs."
Concluded Cornell: The pipeline project "will not be a major source of US jobs, nor will it play any substantial role at all in putting Americans back to work."

Frances Beinecke, president of the Natural Resources Defense Council, said the number of permanent Keystone pipeline jobs is well below what both the government and oil industry are projecting.
“Rather than bringing us energy security, it will transport dirty Canadian oil through America's heartlands - for delivery to China and other countries. Rather than bringing us prosperity, it will leave us with a legacy of poisoned lands and waters. All for, at most, 100 permanent jobs?" Beinecke said in January 2012.

http://uspolitics.about.com/od/energy/a/Are-Keystone-Pipeline-Jobs-Estimates-Just-Pipe-Dreams.htm

[Cigar]

They are sure keeping cleanup crews busy. :laugh:

[Cigar]

ExxonMobil Tar Sands Oil Pipeline Ruptures in Arkansas as Obama Ponders Fate of Keystone XL


ExxonMobil continues its cleanup efforts after a ruptured pipeline sprayed thousands of barrels of crude oil from Canada across a central Arkansas subdivision, forcing nearly two dozen homes to evacuate. The 20-inch so-called "Pegasus" tar sands pipeline burst late Friday near Mayflower, Arkansas, creating what the Environmental Protection Agency is categorizing as a "major spill." The incident is refueling calls for the Obama administration to reject the controversial Keystone XL pipeline, which would deliver tar sands oil from Canada to refineries in Texas. "It's almost as if nature was trying to send a message that it might be best to just leave this stuff underground in Canada where it's been safely for the last few million years, instead of trucking it, piping it, training it hither and yon across the countryside," says Bill McKibben, co-founder and director of 350.org. He is author of "eaarth: Making A Life On A Tough New Planet."

To watch the entire weekday independent news hour, read the transcript, download the podcast, search our vast archive, or to find more information about Democracy Now! and Amy Goodman, visit http://www.democracynow.org.

Democracy Now!, an independent global news hour that airs weekdays on 1,100+ TV and radio stations Monday through Friday.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNkU8p6qq_k&feature=player_embedded


I'm just dieing to hear the excuses :grin:

[Cigar]

Ooops ... I'm Fucked Now :laugh:

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/gh51583746.jpg

[Cigar]

Shhhhhh ... be quiet and just pretend it's noting ... it will go away.
:wink:http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k633/JokersWilder/58074_10200223767371151_1091630257_n.jpg

[patrickt]

A. Erika is Cigar's underage girlfriend who believes whatever he tells her.
B. Liberals have no interest in jobs. They consider people who work for wages to be victims.

[simpsonofpg]

I wonder if they mean Eureka (not sure about the spelling).

[Cigar]

How'd I do with the spelling Oil Spill? :grin:

[keymanjim]

I wonder if they mean Eureka (not sure about the spelling).
That was probably it.
Eureka, a Greek expletive that means "This bath is too hot."

[Cigar]

That was probably it.
Eureka, a Greek expletive that means "This bath is too hot."

Hot Oil Bath did you say .... ?

http://bdnpull.bangorpublishing.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/10044481_H10220843-600x410.jpg

http://bdnpull.bangorpublishing.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/10044561_H10220847-250x250.jpg

Exxon Mobil on Sunday continued cleanup of a pipeline spill that spewed thousands of barrels of heavy Canadian crude in Arkansas as opponents of oil sands development latched on to the incident to attack plans to build the Keystone XL pipeline.
Exxon spokesman Alan Jeffers said Sunday that crews had yet to excavate the area around the pipeline breach, a needed step before the company can estimate how long repairs will take and when the line might restart.


“I can’t speculate on when it will happen,” Jeffers said. “Excavation is necessary as part of an investigation to determine the cause of the incident.”


Exxon’s Pegasus pipeline, which can carry more than 90,000 barrels per day of crude from Patoka, Ill., to Nederland, Texas, was shut after the leak was discovered late Friday afternoon in a subdivision near the town of Mayflower. The leak forced the evacuation of 22 homes.

http://bangordailynews.com/2013/03/31/news/nation/exxon-cleans-up-oil-spill-in-arkansas-housing-development-keystone-plan-assailed/

Yuck it up ... sport.

[keymanjim]

Hot Oil Bath did you say .... ?

No. Greek.
Like the kind obama use to enjoy back in Chicago.
Some oil may have been used then too. I don't know.
Don't want to know either.

[Cigar]

No. Greek.
Like the kind obama use to enjoy back in Chicago.
Some oil may have been used then too. I don't know.
Don't want to know either.

Come-on ... you know ... tell the truth ... it's time for you to come out; all your political buddies are. :grin:

[Agravan]

Cigar rejoices when other people are suffering. He uses their suffering for political purposes. the only time he has "compassion" is when it will benefit him or his party to show crocodile tears.

[Cigar]

Cigar rejoices when other people are suffering. He uses their suffering for political purposes. the only time he has "compassion" is when it will benefit him or his party to show crocodile tears.

Oh so now you care about the suffering ... which ones do you care about?

[hanger4]

Shhhhhh ... be quiet and just pretend it's noting ... it will go away.
:wink:

Lets see, the Pegasus pipeline carries about 90,000 barrels of oil a day.


It's been in operation since 2006 I believe


and spilled about 33,000 gallons,


that's about 1047 barrels.


A tragedy absolutely,


but a pittance, except to those that wish


to make a partisan political statement.

[Cigar]

Ever hear of Kalamazoo :grin:

[keymanjim]

Ever hear of Kalamazoo :grin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFv_PoZ2iP0

[hanger4]

Ever hear of Kalamazoo :grin:

Sure it's a city in southwest Michigan. :grin:

[zelmo1234]

Canadian oil companies and Canadian workers benefit not the US. There will be few American jobs, and they will be temporary.

The oil is sold on the international market.

Now what?

I will take 20 high paying jobs in the oil industry that do not ahve to be subsidised. The green energy jobs are subsidies, low paying and last about 2 years, because once the government money runs out the companies go bankrupt!

Yes the oil is sold on the international market, and that will bring down the cost of a barrel of oil on the world wide market.

Change our stupid refining regulations and and we could refine all of that oil here in the USA and then the price at the pump would really drop,

But ea have liberals in the wihte house so that is not going to happen!

[zelmo1234]

Sure it's a city in southwest Michigan. :grin:

We had an oil spill that was cleaned up very quickly and the only one that can find enviromental damage is those that are willing to make it up.

They even stop the funding to test for enviromental damage because there isn't any this spill and AK will be cleaned up in a few days and things will be back to normal!

[Cigar]

Enbridge's estimated cost of Kalamazoo River oil spill cleanup exceeds its $650 million insurance policy.

For the first time Enbridge Energy’s estimate of the cost for the cleanup of the Kalamazoo River oil spill (http://topics.mlive.com/tag/Oil%20spill%20in%20Kalamazoo%20River/index.html) has surpassed the $650 million that the com*pany can be reimbursed through its pollution liability insurance policy.

The company has been paying for all of the cleanup*-related costs and is working with its insurance company to get reimburse*d.

Enbridge spokeswoman Terri Larson said it remains to be seen how much will be reimbursed.

http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2011/09/enbridges_estimated_cost_to_cl.html

:Skeert:

[zelmo1234]

I have an idea that should make the liberal enviromental NAZI's happy.

As liberals they beleive in higher taxes. and they beleive in the most expensive green energy.

So they should be very glad to subsidise the rest of us with a 15% sure charge on their income tax and the rest of us that would like to have the least expensive form of energy would of course get a tax deduction!

Then everyone would be happy.

[Cigar]

I have an idea that should make the liberal enviromental NAZI's happy.

As liberals they beleive in higher taxes. and they beleive in the most expensive green energy.

So they should be very glad to subsidise the rest of us with a 15% sure charge on their income tax and the rest of us that would like to have the least expensive form of energy would of course get a tax deduction!

Then everyone would be happy.

I got a better idea ... gerrymander a pathway for the pipeline to go from North to South only through Conservative back yards.

Problem solved, happy clean up.

Good Night Alice :grin:

[Cigar]

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/imgs/2013/130402-oil-pipeline-bursts-in-mayflower-ark.jpg

[nic34]

A "No Boehner" maybe....

[Adelaide]

Everytime I see this thread I think, "Who is Erika?" I didn't notice until last night that it was probably supposed to say, "Eureka". Cigar did you want me to fix that?

[Cigar]

Everytime I see this thread I think, "Who is Erika?" I didn't notice until last night that it was probably supposed to say, "Eureka". @Cigar (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=294) did you want me to fix that?

Sure if you can ... I didn't even notice until the birds started chirping.

[Adelaide]

Sure if you can ... I didn't even notice until the birds started chirping.

Fixed! :)

[Dr. Who]

ExxonMobil Tar Sands Oil Pipeline Ruptures in Arkansas as Obama Ponders Fate of Keystone XL


ExxonMobil continues its cleanup efforts after a ruptured pipeline sprayed thousands of barrels of crude oil from Canada across a central Arkansas subdivision, forcing nearly two dozen homes to evacuate. The 20-inch so-called "Pegasus" tar sands pipeline burst late Friday near Mayflower, Arkansas, creating what the Environmental Protection Agency is categorizing as a "major spill." The incident is refueling calls for the Obama administration to reject the controversial Keystone XL pipeline, which would deliver tar sands oil from Canada to refineries in Texas. "It's almost as if nature was trying to send a message that it might be best to just leave this stuff underground in Canada where it's been safely for the last few million years, instead of trucking it, piping it, training it hither and yon across the countryside," says Bill McKibben, co-founder and director of 350.org. He is author of "eaarth: Making A Life On A Tough New Planet."

To watch the entire weekday independent news hour, read the transcript, download the podcast, search our vast archive, or to find more information about Democracy Now! and Amy Goodman, visit http://www.democracynow.org.

Democracy Now!, an independent global news hour that airs weekdays on 1,100+ TV and radio stations Monday through Friday.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNkU8p6qq_k&feature=player_embedded


I'm just dieing to hear the excuses :grin:

If you listen hard you can hear the property values falling. That neigborhood will be in various stages of remediation for a very long time.

[Tad Scratchy]

We're a G8 nation with admired business and financial infrastructure, an educated workforce and a stable political system...

And we can't produce a single industrial leader that can make a fucking refinery.

Why why why does my country feel so content to ship out raw materials at great cost and inconvenience for pennies - and buy back the finished product at great profit to everyone but us?

We can't build a refinery? Seriously? We'd rather declare war on first nations and piss of locals from sea to sea to sea moving and shipping this sludge for peanuts?

[Tad Scratchy]

And beg foreign governments for permission to do it?

[Captain Obvious]

I thought this thread was about Erika.

[Private Pickle]

I thought this thread was about Erika.

That slut!

[Conley]

Erika the evil Canadian who spilled all that oil? That Erika? Yeah, she blows.

[Cigar]

AMAZING Aerial Footage of Arkansas Tar Sands Oil Spill!

I had no idea it was this massive.

This is hundreds of acres of spill, and also contaminates an entire housing sub division.
News media are being kept away, but a chopper got excellent coverage of an enormous area of contamination, both lakes and swamps and neighborhoods.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iIdWGGlBP8&feature=player_embedded

[Chloe]

Unfortunately there will be plenty of people to make excuses for this spill, to down play it, to make it seem trivial, and so on, but the reality is that this kind of stuff will continue to happen on small and large scales until people start to open their eyes in my opinion to the dangers and filth of this sort of energy that we are so obsessed with and wrapped around.

[nic34]

This makes the 3rd pipeline burst in 3 years.

Exxon's initial response was the "same lie" used by Enbridge (http://thepoliticalforums.com/tags/topic/Enbridge+Inc.) after a rupture from its pipeline network in Michigan (http://thepoliticalforums.com/tags/topic/Michigan) led to the worst onshore oil spill in U.S. history. (2010)

Silvertip pipeline into the Yellowstone River (http://thepoliticalforums.com/tags/topic/Yellowstone+River) in Montana (http://thepoliticalforums.com/tags/topic/Montana). (2011)

http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/Energy-Voices/2013/0402/What-does-the-ExxonMobil-spill-mean-for-the-Keystone-XL-pipeline


The residents didn't even know the pipeline was under their homes.... the XL needs more thinking at the very least.

[Private Pickle]

Here's an idea... Lets transport ourselves back to the 1860s because oil is bad.

[Cigar]

This makes the 3rd pipeline burst in 3 years.

Exxon's initial response was the "same lie" used by Enbridge (http://thepoliticalforums.com/tags/topic/Enbridge+Inc.) after a rupture from its pipeline network in Michigan (http://thepoliticalforums.com/tags/topic/Michigan) led to the worst onshore oil spill in U.S. history. (2010)

Silvertip pipeline into the Yellowstone River (http://thepoliticalforums.com/tags/topic/Yellowstone+River) in Montana (http://thepoliticalforums.com/tags/topic/Montana). (2011)

http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/Energy-Voices/2013/0402/What-does-the-ExxonMobil-spill-mean-for-the-Keystone-XL-pipeline


The residents didn't even know the pipeline was under their homes.... the XL needs more thinking at the very least.


I'm sure these home owners will be more than happy to know those nice new homes have the accumulative value of freshly steamed gorilla shit.

Congratulations Exxon ... you've done it again. :bananabutt:

[Cigar]

Here's an idea... Lets transport ourselves back to the 1860s because oil is bad.


Don't worry ... that's exactly where the Republican Party is headed ... backwards. :grin:

[nic34]

Here's an idea... Lets transport ourselves back to the 1860s because oil is bad.

Especially when it's in your yard...

[Private Pickle]

Especially when it's in your yard...

Yeah like you give a flying fuxall about Arkansas. Save your faux outrage for someone who doesn't know you.

[Private Pickle]

Don't worry ... that's exactly where the Republican Party is headed ... backwards. :grin:

They said the same thing about the Dems in 2004.

[Cigar]

Right on schedule ... deflection central :grin:

[Cigar]

They said the same thing about the Dems in 2004.

... and look what happened ... :grin:

http://kassandraproject.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/barack_obama_picture.jpg

[nic34]

Yeah like you give a flying fuxall about Arkansas. Save your faux outrage for someone who doesn't know you.

...and you claim to know me asswipe?

[hanger4]

Unfortunately there will be plenty of people to make excuses for this spill, to down play it, to make it seem trivial, and so on, but the reality is that this kind of stuff will continue to happen on small and large scales until people start to open their eyes in my opinion to the dangers and filth of this sort of energy that we are so obsessed with and wrapped around.

I'll play it down Chloe. Tragedy absolutely. Will there be compensation absolutely.

There are about 190,000 miles of oil pipelines in the U.S, that's raw and refined products.

How many hundreds of thousands or millions of barrels of oil do they pump through them in a year ??

How many barrels are spilled in year ??

I'd say the safety record is next to perfect.

[Cigar]

I'll play it down Chloe. Tragedy absolutely. Will there be compensation absolutely.

There are about 190,000 miles of oil pipelines in the U.S, that's raw and refined products.

How many hundreds of thousands or millions of barrels of oil do they pump through them in a year ??

How many barrels are spilled in year ??

I'd say the safety record is next to perfect.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oil_spills

[nic34]

I'll play it down Chloe. Tragedy absolutely. Will there be compensation absolutely.

There are about 190,000 miles of oil pipelines in the U.S, that's raw and refined products.

How many hundreds of thousands or millions of barrels of oil do they pump through them in a year ??

How many barrels are spilled in year ??

I'd say the safety record is next to perfect.

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/11993-Eureka-they-struck-Oil-in-Arkansas?p=260574&viewfull=1#post260574

[hanger4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oil_spills

Your link doesn't answer how much is pumped through the pipelines

therefore the pumped vs spilled % is unanswered.

your link is irrelevant.

[Private Pickle]

... and look what happened ... :grin:

http://kassandraproject.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/barack_obama_picture.jpg

Exactly... So enjoy it while you can because anyone who thinks there won't be another GOP President has their head up their ass...

[Private Pickle]

...and you claim to know me asswipe?

Yup.

[Cigar]

Your link doesn't answer how much is pumped through the pipelines

therefore the pumped vs spilled % is unanswered.

your link is irrelevant.

If it was flowing through your backyard ... its wouldn't be irrelevant sport. :laugh:

[Cigar]

Exactly... So enjoy it while you can because anyone who thinks there won't be another GOP President has their head up their ass...


I am enjoying it ... and I see no evidence of a GOP President anytime soon. :grin:

[hanger4]

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/11993-Eureka-they-struck-Oil-in-Arkansas?p=260574&viewfull=1#post260574

How much oil is pumped through this pipeline ??

How much has spilled ??

How many miles do cars and trucks travel a day ??

How many deaths per day from accidents ??

Should vehicle driving/traveling be stoped ??

[Private Pickle]

I am enjoying it ... and I see no evidence of a GOP President anytime soon. :grin:

They didn't see Obama coming either. Head up ass.

[Cigar]

On average a normal healthy person at 140 to 150 lbs produces about 30 units of blood per day.

Only 5 pints of blood loss causes death.

[Private Pickle]

If it was flowing through your backyard ... its wouldn't be irrelevant sport. :laugh:

This coming from a guy who hates on the South and it's people at every opportunity...what a follower...

[Cigar]

They didn't see Obama coming either. Head up ass.

Not even the second ass-kicking ... :grin:

[Cigar]

This coming from a guy who hates on the South and it's people at every opportunity...what a follower...

Nice dodge ... :laugh:

[hanger4]

If it was flowing through your backyard ... its wouldn't be irrelevant sport. :laugh:

The safety record is still immaculate.

The home owners took that chance when they bought their homes

just as beach front property vs hurricanes,

and flatlanders vs tornadoes.

[Cigar]

The safety record is still immaculate.

The home owners took that chance when they bought their homes

just as beach front property vs hurricanes,

and flatlanders vs tornadoes.

You're not reading ... they never knew.

[nic34]

How much oil is pumped through this pipeline ??

How much has spilled ??

How many miles do cars and trucks travel a day ??

How many deaths per day from accidents ??

Should vehicle driving/traveling be stoped ??

The evidence shows anything but "next to perfect".

You can answer your own questions by reading the links.

[Private Pickle]

Not even the second ass-kicking ... :grin:

Any moron with half a brain cell saw that coming... Except for people like you who watch the major news outlets and actually believe their hype-filled bullshit.

[Private Pickle]

Nice dodge ... :laugh:

Face it...you could care less about Arkansas or their back yards...you're just a hanger-on liberal groupie who doesn't need actual information to form your inane opinions.

[nic34]

Yup.

Is that a puppy dog or an answer?

You don't know squat.

[Chloe]

I'll play it down Chloe. Tragedy absolutely. Will there be compensation absolutely.

There are about 190,000 miles of oil pipelines in the U.S, that's raw and refined products.

How many hundreds of thousands or millions of barrels of oil do they pump through them in a year ??

How many barrels are spilled in year ??

I'd say the safety record is next to perfect.

Then the question is when were the pipelines built? This one was something like 60 years old. Just because everything on paper seems to be running well does not mean that a year from now it all goes to crap due to age and wear. The goal shouldn't be to have limited spills and a good overall safety record so that your company or business looks good on paper. The goal should be no spills at all. An oil company like Exxon compensating these families in arkansas will do nothing to change the company's mind to help move the country away from oil and change their business focus because the compensation is pennies to them. An oil company would take 10 of these spills every year and be at peace with themselves. Even BP is all but forgiven and ignored after the spill in the gulf of mexico.

Keep in mind that Exxon Mobil does not have to be an oil company. It's big enough and rich enough to be the leading developer of renewable energy if it so chooses, but it won't because it means more money and political clout by staying in the status quo. This country, and most of the world for that matter, is sooooo dependent on oil that people are afraid to do anything worthwhile outside of relying on this stuff. I realize that oil runs a lot but we depend on it like we do drinking water, and we do that at the expense of our planet, our health, our economic systems, and so on. People cling to it like it's a religion.

[Cigar]

Then the question is when were the pipelines built? This one was something like 60 years old. Just because everything on paper seems to be running well does not mean that a year from now it all goes to crap due to age and wear. The goal shouldn't be to have limited spills and a good overall safety record so that your company or business looks good on paper. The goal should be no spills at all. An oil company like Exxon compensating these families in arkansas will do nothing to change the company's mind to help move the country away from oil and change their business focus because the compensation is pennies to them. An oil company would take 10 of these spills every year and be at peace with themselves. Even BP is all but forgiven and ignored after the spill in the gulf of mexico.

Keep in mind that Exxon Mobil does not have to be an oil company. It's big enough and rich enough to be the leading developer of renewable energy if it so chooses, but it won't because it means more money and political clout by staying in the status quo. This country, and most of the world for that matter, is sooooo dependent on oil that people are afraid to do anything worthwhile outside of relying on this stuff. I realize that oil runs a lot but we depend on it like we do drinking water, and we do that at the expense of our planet, our health, our economic systems, and so on. People cling to it like it's a religion.

They fail an inspection just 6 months ago on that same pipeline

[Private Pickle]

Is that a puppy dog or an answer?

You don't know squat.

I know you're hanging onto this issue cause you want everybody to think you care but in reality you secretly despise the south and are most likely, secretly happy this happened.

[Private Pickle]

Then the question is when were the pipelines built? This one was something like 60 years old. Just because everything on paper seems to be running well does not mean that a year from now it all goes to crap due to age and wear. The goal shouldn't be to have limited spills and a good overall safety record so that your company or business looks good on paper. The goal should be no spills at all. An oil company like Exxon compensating these families in arkansas will do nothing to change the company's mind to help move the country away from oil and change their business focus because the compensation is pennies to them. An oil company would take 10 of these spills every year and be at peace with themselves. Even BP is all but forgiven and ignored after the spill in the gulf of mexico.

The goal is zero spills. Spills cost money. That should be pretty obvious even to those inclined to use extremely rare occurences like this as if it were a trend.


Keep in mind that Exxon Mobil does not have to be an oil company. It's big enough and rich enough to be the leading developer of renewable energy if it so chooses, but it won't because it means more money and political clout by staying in the status quo. This country, and most of the world for that matter, is sooooo dependent on oil that people are afraid to do anything worthwhile outside of relying on this stuff. I realize that oil runs a lot but we depend on it like we do drinking water, and we do that at the expense of our planet, our health, our economic systems, and so on. People cling to it like it's a religion.

It's rich because it sells oil...not renewable energy. When renewable or an alternative energy becomes more economically viable, not for the oil companies, but for the consumer, then we will see a shift... Not until then.

I really don't think you do understand how dependent the world (not just the U.S.) is on fossil fuels. I think you believe it just takes a little bit of discomfort in the short run but that simply isn't the case.

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[Chloe]

The goal is zero spills. Spills cost money. That should be pretty obvious even to those inclined to use extremely rare occurences like this as if it were a trend.



It's rich because it sells oil...not renewable energy. When renewable or an alternative energy becomes more economically viable, not for the oil companies, but for the consumer, then we will see a shift... Not until then.

I really don't think you do understand how dependent the world (not just the U.S.) is on fossil fuels. I think you believe it just takes a little bit of discomfort in the short run but that simply isn't the case.

2209

Yes the corporate goal is no spills because it means bad publicity if there is one, but they don't strive for "no spills" for any other reason than to not distract from the business, which means small spills like this one equal a day or two of bad publicity but then everything goes back to normal for them. They'd take a dozen of these a year and be perfectly content with the outcome in spite of what they may say publicly.

I understand how dependent the world is on oil and I know it would be more than just discomfort, but I am not advocating for us to stop using oil tomorrow, I am advocating for companies and citizens locally, regionally, nationally, and globally, to do more with regards to ending our dependency. Defending an oil company and telling people that it isn't easy isn't ever going to solve a single thing.

[hanger4]

The evidence shows anything but "next to perfect".

You can answer your own questions by reading the links.

If read the links plus several via google.

There are around 190,000 miles of oil pipelines in the U.S, that's raw and refined products.

How much oil is pumped through them versus spills ??

10% spilled ??

1% spilled ??

.001% spilled ??

Where the cut off nic ??

[nic34]

You tell me.

And.... any amount is OK as long as it isn't in MY yard ... isn't an answer.

[Cigar]

If read the links plus several via google.

There are around 190,000 miles of oil pipelines in the U.S, that's raw and refined products.

How much oil is pumped through them versus spills ??

10% spilled ??

1% spilled ??

.001% spilled ??

Where the cut off nic ??


4K Killed in 2 Wars in over a decade or 4 Killed in 1 attack in 1 day ... where is the cut off for you?

[hanger4]

You tell me.

And.... any amount is OK as long as it isn't in MY yard ... isn't an answer.

Not my answer nic.

This discussion is about the viability of oil pipelines.

You jumped on the evil pipeline meme

so I ask again, What % of leakage is acceptable ??

[Cigar]

Not my answer nic.

This discussion is about the viability of oil pipelines.

You jumped on the evil pipeline meme

so I ask again, What % of leakage is acceptable ??


Zero in my back yard and whatever you're comfortable with in your back yard.

Got it?

[hanger4]

4K Killed in 2 Wars in over a decade or 4 Killed in 1 attack in 1 day ... where is the cut off for you?

What an unbelievable and asinine response.

You won't/can't even stay on topic in your own threads.

And to answer your off topic response, ask Obama they're his wars now,

have been for four years when he decide to continue them.

[hanger4]

Zero in my back yard and whatever you're comfortable with in your back yard.

Got it?


OOOOOOOOOOHHHH

Start walking dipshit,

it'll be in someones backyard

whether you or they like it or not.

Will/can you do without gasoline ??

[Cigar]

This is why you don't debate with Wing-Nuts.

[Private Pickle]

Yes the corporate goal is no spills because it means bad publicity if there is one, but they don't strive for "no spills" for any other reason than to not distract from the business, which means small spills like this one equal a day or two of bad publicity but then everything goes back to normal for them. They'd take a dozen of these a year and be perfectly content with the outcome in spite of what they may say publicly.

I understand how dependent the world is on oil and I know it would be more than just discomfort, but I am not advocating for us to stop using oil tomorrow, I am advocating for companies and citizens locally, regionally, nationally, and globally, to do more with regards to ending our dependency. Defending an oil company and telling people that it isn't easy isn't ever going to solve a single thing.

What part of "it costs them money" didn't you understand?

Forcing oil companies to change their business to meet your feel good needs is simply not going to happen. Nor should it.

[hanger4]

This is why you don't debate with Wing-Nuts.

^ I am. ^

[nic34]

OOOOOOOOOOHHHH

Start walking dipshit,

it'll be in someones backyard

whether you or they like it or not.

Will/can you do without gasoline ??

Who said anything about doing with out? Accountability from some of the most profitable oil companies in the world is asking too much? You must be getting paid or you are really a dufus.

It seems it THEY are the ones telling ME what is "acceptable" and that don't cut it.

[Private Pickle]

Who said anything about doing with out? Accountability from some of the most profitable oil companies in the world is asking too much? You must be getting paid or you are really a dufus.

It seems it THEY are the ones telling ME what is "acceptable" and that don't cut it.

They pay their fines just like anyone else... What you're wanting is to hold them to standards above everyone else... Take a hike with that bullchit.

[hanger4]

Who said anything about doing with out? Accountability from some of the most profitable oil companies in the world is asking too much? You must be getting paid or you are really a dufus.

It seems it THEY are the ones telling ME what is "acceptable" and that don't cut it.


"Accountability"

Who's not being accountable ??

All you want to do is berate "evil oil"

What % of spill to flow does it take before you turn off the pipelines ??

[Chloe]

What part of "it costs them money" didn't you understand?

Forcing oil companies to change their business to meet your feel good needs is simply not going to happen. Nor should it.

Nice response.

Yes I know it costs them money, it costs them pennies in comparison to how much they take in. Also i'm not talking about forcing them to change their business. I am saying that they have the ability to change for the better but instead they choose greed in my opinion at the expense of us and the Earth. But keep defending them Pickle. They (big oil) truly care for and value that defense.

[Dr. Who]

Yes the corporate goal is no spills because it means bad publicity if there is one, but they don't strive for "no spills" for any other reason than to not distract from the business, which means small spills like this one equal a day or two of bad publicity but then everything goes back to normal for them. They'd take a dozen of these a year and be perfectly content with the outcome in spite of what they may say publicly.

I understand how dependent the world is on oil and I know it would be more than just discomfort, but I am not advocating for us to stop using oil tomorrow, I am advocating for companies and citizens locally, regionally, nationally, and globally, to do more with regards to ending our dependency. Defending an oil company and telling people that it isn't easy isn't ever going to solve a single thing.
Or if every major military power in the world set aside 10% of their military budgets for REAL research into renewable or alternative energy, the world might be further ahead. Some of Tessla's theoretical work postulated that energy is omni present and all you have to do is harness it right from the air around you. Consider what free energy would mean to the world.

[Private Pickle]

Nice response.

Yes I know it costs them money, it costs them pennies in comparison to how much they take in. Also i'm not talking about forcing them to change their business. I am saying that they have the ability to change for the better but instead they choose greed in my opinion at the expense of us and the Earth. But keep defending them Pickle. They (big oil) truly care for and value that defense.

Oh right...that evil word profit... How do they sleep at night running a profitable business...they should be ashamed of themselves... Always the fault of people making money...never the fault of people who can't enact meanigful change... Keep your "betterment" away from me sister...not everyone thinks like you...

Why blame the oil companies for running a business? Why not blame the lack of enforcement or creation of legislation that will help this scenario instead of expecting people to change a working business model? They don't owe you or anyone else anything more than what is expected of them by law...

Keep attacking them Chloe...meanwhile watch your politicians, the people responsible, do nothing about it...

[Private Pickle]

Or if every major military power in the world set aside 10% of their military budgets for REAL research into renewable or alternative energy, the world might be further ahead. Some of Tessla's theoretical work postulated that energy is omni present and all you have to do is harness it right from the air around you. Consider what free energy would mean to the world.

Because the military allows you the freedom to have a budget in the first place...just because you don't appreciate it's affect throughout not only the States but also the world in keeping America safe and on top doesn't mean they don't do that for you...

[hanger4]

Nice response.

Yes I know it costs them money, it costs them pennies in comparison to how much they take in. Also i'm not talking about forcing them to change their business. I am saying that they have the ability to change for the better but instead they choose greed in my opinion at the expense of us and the Earth. But keep defending them Pickle. They (big oil) truly care for and value that defense.

"Evil oil's" profit margin runs about 8 cents per gallon Chloe.

That's a drop in the bucket compared to the nearly 50 cents per gallon that federal, state and local governments make on an average gallon of gas.

So who is choosing greed ??

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443687504577563383982418536.html

And why do we have to go through this over and over ??

Chloe you've been here long enough to have read this or a version of this to know better.

[Private Pickle]

"Evil oil's" profit margin runs about 8 cents per gallon Chloe.

That's a drop in the bucket compared to the nearly 50 cents per gallon that federal, state and local governments make on an average gallon of gas.

So who is choosing greed ??

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443687504577563383982418536.html

And why do we have to go through this over and over ??

Chloe you've been here long enough to have read this or a version of this to know better.

Because she doesn't want to know better...she wants to live in fantasy la la land of flowers, roses, bunnies and blue birds sitting on her shoulder...

Try and give her a different perspective and she ends up calling you lazy or throws it in your face in lieu of her happy place...

[Chloe]

Oh right...that evil word profit... How do they sleep at night running a profitable business...they should be ashamed of themselves... Always the fault of people making money...never the fault of people who can't enact meanigful change... Keep your "betterment" away from me sister...not everyone thinks like you...

Why blame the oil companies for running a business? Why not blame the lack of enforcement or creation of legislation that will help this scenario instead of expecting people to change a working business model? They don't owe you or anyone else anything more than what is expected of them by law...

Keep attacking them Chloe...meanwhile watch your politicians, the people responsible, do nothing about it...

I didn't say that profits were evil, and I don't have a problem with profitable businesses. What I am trying to say is that a company like a big oil company should hold itself to standards and expectations beyond what is simply necessary according to the law or a mission statement. I say that because companies like oil companies have more of an affect on our lives and on this planet than most other companies do. You come across as the kind of person, based on some of your comments, that would seemingly teach your kids to only do what's necessary to make as much money as possible but do nothing more for anybody else or yourself. It's not about owing something to somebody it's about recognizing your impact and going beyond what's expected.

[Chloe]

Because the military allows you the freedom to have a budget in the first place...just because you don't appreciate it's affect throughout not only the States but also the world in keeping America safe and on top doesn't mean they don't do that for you...

i'm sure that 10% of the military's budget would be the equivalent of you buying a small thing of fries at McDonald's.

[Private Pickle]

I didn't say that profits were evil, and I don't have a problem with profitable businesses. What I am trying to say is that a company like a big oil company should hold itself to standards and expectations beyond what is simply necessary according to the law or a mission statement. I say that because companies like oil companies have more of an affect on our lives and on this planet than most other companies do. You come across as the kind of person, based on some of your comments, that would seemingly teach your kids to only do what's necessary to make as much money as possible but do nothing more for anybody else or yourself. It's not about owing something to somebody it's about recognizing your impact and going beyond what's expected.

Case in point.

[Private Pickle]

i'm sure that 10% of the military's budget would be the equivalent of you buying a small thing of fries at McDonald's.

Are you sure? Really? Or maybe you have no idea what you're talking about given you have no idea how 10% would affect our military... If it's a small order of fries why not take it from Medicare or Social Security?

[Chloe]

Because she doesn't want to know better...she wants to live in fantasy la la land of flowers, roses, bunnies and blue birds sitting on her shoulder...

Try and give her a different perspective and she ends up calling you lazy or throws it in your face in lieu of her happy place...

Yes I called you lazy. My one "insult" directed at you in how many months? I called your apathy towards wanting to make education more challenging to be lazy, not you personally.

[Chloe]

Case in point.

?

[Private Pickle]

Yes I called you lazy. My one "insult" directed at you in how many months? I called your apathy towards wanting to make education more challenging to be lazy, not you personally.

You've tossed more insults than that...it's just the most recent.. You think I'm apathetic about education because I don't agree with your revisionist style of teaching... I'm not and stated so using multiple examples which, you conveniently ignored...just like you are ignoring the fact that it isn't the oil companies fault for wanting to make a profit and not changing their business model...that it's the legislature that is to blame for ineffectual management and laws...

[Dr. Who]

Because the military allows you the freedom to have a budget in the first place...just because you don't appreciate it's affect throughout not only the States but also the world in keeping America safe and on top doesn't mean they don't do that for you...
Perhaps finding a way to make essentially free energy would change the dynamics of the world. Energy is very expensive and keeps people poor. The areas of the world that need the most babysitting are some of the poorest. If the people of these regions were better off, they would be less likely to be a threat to the US or the other wealthy western countries. The only losers in a free energy equation would be Big Oil.

[Chloe]

You've tossed more insults than that...it's just the most recent.. You think I'm apathetic about education because I don't agree with your revisionist style of teaching... I'm not and stated so using multiple examples which, you conveniently ignored...just like you are ignoring the fact that it isn't the oil companies fault for wanting to make a profit and not changing their business model...that it's the legislature that is to blame for ineffectual management and laws...

The legislature and government could certainly do a whole lot more as well yes

[Private Pickle]

The legislature and government could certainly do a whole lot more as well yes

But lets blame the oil companies for not being Polyanna...

[Private Pickle]

Perhaps finding a way to make essentially free energy would change the dynamics of the world. Energy is very expensive and keeps people poor. The areas of the world that need the most babysitting are some of the poorest. If the people of these regions were better off, they would be less likely to be a threat to the US or the other wealthy western countries. The only losers in a free energy equation would be Big Oil.

It isn't the oil companies responsibility to "change the dynamics of the world". Stop holding them to standards you don't even hold yourself to... And just a heads up...there will NEVER be a "free energy" equation...that is simple fantasy...

[Chloe]

But lets blame the oil companies for not being Polyanna...

I'm not putting all blame on them. I am very simply saying that they could do a whole lot more than they currently do to help the planet and us, but as long as we can't make a move without gasoline or some type of oil use then they can do whatever they want without any real consequence besides a temporary black eye and a few million dollars thrown at a problem. The government does the same thing too yes.

[Chloe]

It isn't the oil companies responsibility to "change the dynamics of the world". Stop holding them to standards you don't even hold yourself to... And just a heads up...there will NEVER be a "free energy" equation...that is simple fantasy...

They should hold themselves to a higher standard based on the power that they have. Why you can't bring yourself to hold a major company that produces a huge chunk of the world's energy to a higher standard is beyond me.

[Private Pickle]

I'm not putting all blame on them. I am very simply saying that they could do a whole lot more than they currently do to help the planet and us, but as long as we can't make a move without gasoline or some type of oil use then they can do whatever they want without any real consequence besides a temporary black eye and a few million dollars thrown at a problem. The government does the same thing too yes.

I love how you make a passive aggressive statement then come back and say you're not making that statement:


Keep in mind that Exxon Mobil does not have to be an oil company. It's big enough and rich enough to be the leading developer of renewable energy if it so chooses, but it won't because it means more money and political clout by staying in the status quo.


Yes I know it costs them money, it costs them pennies in comparison to how much they take in. Also i'm not talking about forcing them to change their business. I am saying that they have the ability to change for the better but instead they choose greed in my opinion at the expense of us and the Earth.

Followed up by:


I didn't say that profits were evil, and I don't have a problem with profitable businesses.


I'm not putting all blame on them.

Classic.

[Private Pickle]

They should hold themselves to a higher standard based on the power that they have. Why you can't bring yourself to hold a major company that produces a huge chunk of the world's energy to a higher standard is beyond me.

Oh I dunno...maybe because I believe in that little thing called Freedom.

[hanger4]

They should hold themselves to a higher standard based on the power that they have. Why you can't bring yourself to hold a major company that produces a huge chunk of the world's energy to a higher standard is beyond me.

I don't understand the "higher standard" Chloe


every spill whether it's pipeline or tanker cost them big time.

Sorry bout the time delay, my internet service has been wacky today.

[Chloe]

Oh I dunno...maybe because I believe in that little thing called Freedom.

Yes freedom....the freedom to care and the freedom not to care; the freedom to help and the freedom not to help; the freedom to be active and the freedom to be lazy; the freedom to recognize your power and use it for doing good things and the freedom to recognize your power and figure out ways to leverage it to get things.

I'd be ashamed of myself if I defended the second halves of each of those freedoms. Why aren't you?

[Private Pickle]

Yes freedom....the freedom to care and the freedom not to care; the freedom to help and the freedom not to help; the freedom to be active and the freedom to be lazy; the freedom to recognize your power and use it for doing good things and the freedom to recognize your power and figure out ways to leverage it to get things.

I'd be ashamed of myself if I defended the second halves of each of those freedoms. Why aren't you?

The Oil Companies are in business to make a profit...just like any other company... I don't expect anything more from them than I do from any other company... I don't see you railing against any other company for not being involved in renewable energy... But to put this argument to rest and to show you how your argument is simply based on emotionalism:


1 - ExxonMobil-Synthetic Genomics, Inc Partnership
ExxonMobil and bioenergy firm Synthetic Genomics, Inc (SGI) teamed up in 2009 to research and develop algae-derived biofuels that can substitute for petroleum products in the existing US transportation infrastructure (see Biocrude Still a Drop in the Barrel). The oil firm has estimated expected spending on the venture at $600 million, provided that certain milestones are met.

2 - Raizen
Last March, Shell announced plans to team up with Brazilian biofuels firm Cosan to form a $12 billion joint venture, Raizen, to be one of the world's largest producers and distributers of sugarcane ethanol.

3 - BP Commercial-Scale Cellulosic Ethanol Facility
BP has publicized plans to break ground on a 36 million gallon cellulosic biofuels plant--the first fully integrated, commercial-scale US cellulosic production facility--in Highlands County, Florida, early next year. The firm has already begun developing a 20,000-acre farm for feedstock.

4 - Total-SunPower
Total's announcement of a deal to buy up to 60% of SunPower's shares and provide $1bn in loan guarantees in April 2011 transformed the integrated solar firm from a vulnerable standalone entity to a component of one of the world's largest energy companies.

5 - Chevron Technology Ventures Investments
Chevron Technology Ventures Investments (CTVI) is not a single partnership between an oil company and a renewable energy company, but a dedicated venture capital business unit for investment in forward-looking technologies with the potential to add value to Chevron's larger business interests.

http://energy.aol.com/2011/09/21/top-five-oil-company-backed-renewable-energy-ventures/#photo-5
(http://energy.aol.com/2011/09/21/top-five-oil-company-backed-renewable-energy-ventures/#photo-5)
I'd be ashamed if I was ignorant and making rash, uneducated judgements...

[Chloe]

My last sentence may have kind of been on the mean side. I just don't understand why you can't personally hold powerful companies to a higher standard. And I'm not even talking about legal standards or anything like that I am just talking about in a personal way you don't seem to want to hold them to a high standard or higher expectations. I see a powerful company and I consider their power and wealth and what they can do with that power and wealth and from that I believe that they should hold themselves to a higher standard even without being asked or forced. You don't seem to do that.

[Private Pickle]

My last sentence may have kind of been on the mean side. I just don't understand why you can't personally hold powerful companies to a higher standard. And I'm not even talking about legal standards or anything like that I am just talking about in a personal way you don't seem to want to hold them to a high standard or higher expectations. I see a powerful company and I consider their power and wealth and what they can do with that power and wealth and from that I believe that they should hold themselves to a higher standard even without being asked or forced. You don't seem to do that.

Because how much money they make has nothing to do with the standards they should be held to... That goes for companies or individuals... It's discrimination and it's wrong.

[Chloe]

Because how much money they make has nothing to do with the standards they should be held to... That goes for companies or individuals... It's discrimination and it's wrong.

Do you hold yourself to a higher standard at your job or do you just strive for mediocrity and the basic expectation that they have of you?

[Private Pickle]

Do you hold yourself to a higher standard at your job or do you just strive for mediocrity and the basic expectation that they have of you?

I compete in the market against others who would take what is mine Chloe and I look to defeat them... I do that to make money and make a better life for myself and my family... I don't strive to succeed so hanger ons can sit in the wings ready to suck off my success via disproportionate discrimination. That isn't what this country is about.

[Dr. Who]

It isn't the oil companies responsibility to "change the dynamics of the world". Stop holding them to standards you don't even hold yourself to... And just a heads up...there will NEVER be a "free energy" equation...that is simple fantasy...
The only reason that there may not be free energy would be because certain entities would prevent its existence. Flying was sheer fantasy in DaVinci's day, though he wasn't persuaded and guess what, we invented aircraft. I'm not asking the oil companies to do anything. I am suggesting the governments of the world all chip in on research to find better and possibly free energy and take the yoke of energy costs off of everyone. If that drops the bottom out of oil, so what?

[Chloe]

I compete in the market against others who would take what is mine Chloe and I look to defeat them... I do that to make money and make a better life for myself and my family... I don't strive to succeed so hanger ons can sit in the wings ready to suck off my success via disproportionate discrimination. That isn't what this country is about.

I don't envy your job then if it's that devoid of heart, and I certainly don't think that this country is about ruthless profiteering.

[Private Pickle]

I don't envy your job then if it's that devoid of heart, and I certainly don't think that this country is about ruthless profiteering.

Welcome to the real world.

I see you've conveniently ignored that the oil companies do contribute to alternative power sources.. It's becoming your MO.

[Private Pickle]

The only reason that there may not be free energy would be because certain entities would prevent its existence. Flying was sheer fantasy in DaVinci's day, though he wasn't persuaded and guess what, we invented aircraft. I'm not asking the oil companies to do anything. I am suggesting the governments of the world all chip in on research to find better and possibly free energy and take the yoke of energy costs off of everyone. If that drops the bottom out of oil, so what?

Flying ain't free... The governments of the world would ensure that it isn't free if they discovered it... Nothing in the world is free except for air and that's just because governments haven't figured out how to tax it...

[Chloe]

Welcome to the real world.

I see you've conveniently ignored that the oil companies do contribute to alternative power sources.. It's becoming your MO.

Yes they contribute, which is good, but I think that they could do more on a more grand scale if they truly truly wanted to.

[Private Pickle]

Yes they contribute, which is good, but I think that they could do more on a more grand scale if they truly truly wanted to.

Of course...more more more more...this is why it's dangerous to put any kind of discriminatory practices in place...it will never be enough...

[Captain Obvious]

Nice avatar, Private Pickle

Tactful, yet daring.

[Private Pickle]

Nice avatar, @Private Pickle (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=615)

Tactful, yet daring.

Yeah...I push the envelope...