Exxon Mobil hit with $1.7M pipeline safety fine days before Arkansas oil spill

[nic34]

Just four days before the Arkansas spill, the Irving, Texas-based oil giant was hit with $1.7 million in proposed fines from the U.S. Department of Transportation's Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration (PHMSA) for a July 2011 pipeline failure that spilled about 42,000 gallons of oil into the Yellowstone River near Laurel, Mont. That spill involved the Silvertip Pipeline carrying crude oil an Exxon Mobil refinery in Billings, Mont.
According to PHMSA, Exxon Mobil "failed to properly address known seasonal flooding risks to the safety of its pipeline system."

The Yellowstone spill came a year after the Department of Transportation notified Exxon Mobil about seven potential safety problems along the Silvertip, including issues with emergency response and pipeline corrosion training.
In February 2010, the company was also notified of "probable violations" related to the Silvertip, including inadequate markers in a housing development and vegetation in a housing area that covered a portion of line and prevented aerial inspections.

"We'd be wise to think about this as one more sad warning, like the spills in Kalamazoo and the Yellowstone River," said Bill McKibben of 350.org, which is fighting the Keystone because of its impact on climate. "What the people of Arkansas are enduring today is a reminder of why approving KXL, a pipeline 10 times as large and running across the Oglalla Aquifer, defines a bad idea."

http://www.southernstudies.org/2013/04/exxon-mobil-hit-with-17m-pipeline-safety-fine-days-before-arkansas-oil-spill.html

[Mainecoons]

I'm glad you Cree indians don't use any petroleum products.

:rofl:

[hanger4]

Just four days before the Arkansas spill, the Irving, Texas-based oil giant was hit with $1.7 million in proposed fines from the U.S. Department of Transportation's Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration (PHMSA) for a July 2011 pipeline failure that spilled about 42,000 gallons of oil into the Yellowstone River near Laurel, Mont. That spill involved the Silvertip Pipeline carrying crude oil an Exxon Mobil refinery in Billings, Mont.
According to PHMSA, Exxon Mobil "failed to properly address known seasonal flooding risks to the safety of its pipeline system."

The Yellowstone spill came a year after the Department of Transportation notified Exxon Mobil about seven potential safety problems along the Silvertip, including issues with emergency response and pipeline corrosion training.
In February 2010, the company was also notified of "probable violations" related to the Silvertip, including inadequate markers in a housing development and vegetation in a housing area that covered a portion of line and prevented aerial inspections.

"We'd be wise to think about this as one more sad warning, like the spills in Kalamazoo and the Yellowstone River," said Bill McKibben of 350.org, which is fighting the Keystone because of its impact on climate. "What the people of Arkansas are enduring today is a reminder of why approving KXL, a pipeline 10 times as large and running across the Oglalla Aquifer, defines a bad idea."

http://www.southernstudies.org/2013/04/exxon-mobil-hit-with-17m-pipeline-safety-fine-days-before-arkansas-oil-spill.html

I'll ask again nic,

How many barrels pumped through these pipelines vs how many barrels spilled ??

[nic34]

I'm glad you Cree indians don't use any petroleum products.


I'm glad you got yer ol' snappy come back thinking cap on there 'coons....

[nic34]

I'll ask again nic,

How many barrels pumped through these pipelines vs how many barrels spilled ??

I can lead you but I cannot make you read....

[Mainecoons]

And you can't research either.

:rofl:

[hanger4]

I can lead you but I cannot make you read....

You have yet to post the answer

nor post a link that answers the question.

So I'll ignore your wittle smugness

as you ignore a pertinent question (three or four times now)

pertaining to the topic of your thread and Cigars thread. :dontknow:

[Cigar]

Well ... WaDaYa Know ... who would have thunk it ... :rollseyes:

... turns out you can't skim Oil that sinks.



http://www.alternet.org/files/styles/story_image/public/story_images/8611119211_98febf6c1e_o.jpg

6 Things You Need to Know About the Arkansas Oil Spill


1. Not Your Average Crude

InsideClimate News reported shortly after the spill that an Exxon official confirmed the pipeline was "transporting a heavy form of crude from the Canadian tar sands region." Specifically, it has been identified as Wabasca Heavy, Lisa Song writes, "which is a type of diluted bitumen, or dilbit, from Alberta's tar sands region" although you won't hear any Exxon folks calling it tar sands.


2. Not Your Average Pipeline

The Pegasus pipeline running more than 850 miles between Patoka, Illinois and Nederland, Texas, is 20 inches in diameter and was built in the 1940s to carry crude from Texas to Illinois. But in 2006 the flow was reversed in order to carry Canadian tar sands to Texas. As Ben Jervey wrote for DeSmog blog, the flow was reversed to "help relieve the tar sands crude bottleneck in Cushing, Oklahoma. (The same reason given by proponents for the construction of Keystone XL.)"


3. Tax Exempt?

Who's footing the bill for the cleanup? The government has an Oil Spill Liability Trust Fund that companies which transport oil must pay into. But, as it turns out, the bitumen that Exxon was transporting in its pipeline isn't oil by government standards. Erin O'Sullivan writes for Oil Change International:

In a January 2011 memorandum, the IRS determined that to generate revenues for the oil spill trust fund, Congress only intended to tax conventional crude, and not tar sands or other unconventional oils. This exemption remains to this day, even though the United States moves billions of gallons of tar sands crude through its pipeline system every year. The trust fund is liable for tar sands oil spill cleanups without collecting any revenue from tar sands transport. If the fund goes broke, the American taxpayer foots the cleanup bill.


More ... http://www.alternet.org/environment/6-things-you-need-know-about-arkansas-oil-spill

[zelmo1234]

We shal see it this gets cleaned up! Did it ever occur to you that the new pipeline would take pressure of the existing pipelines that are being pushed at maximum capacity?

I am guessing like in Kalamazoo MI in about 3 weeks everything will be back to mormal with a few tough clean up projects still underway!

[hanger4]

Well ... WaDaYa Know ... who would have thunk it ... :rollseyes:

... turns out you can't skim Oil that sinks.





6 Things You Need to Know About the Arkansas Oil Spill


1. Not Your Average Crude

InsideClimate News reported shortly after the spill that an Exxon official confirmed the pipeline was "transporting a heavy form of crude from the Canadian tar sands region." Specifically, it has been identified as Wabasca Heavy, Lisa Song writes, "which is a type of diluted bitumen, or dilbit, from Alberta's tar sands region" although you won't hear any Exxon folks calling it tar sands.


2. Not Your Average Pipeline

The Pegasus pipeline running more than 850 miles between Patoka, Illinois and Nederland, Texas, is 20 inches in diameter and was built in the 1940s to carry crude from Texas to Illinois. But in 2006 the flow was reversed in order to carry Canadian tar sands to Texas. As Ben Jervey wrote for DeSmog blog, the flow was reversed to "help relieve the tar sands crude bottleneck in Cushing, Oklahoma. (The same reason given by proponents for the construction of Keystone XL.)"


3. Tax Exempt?

Who's footing the bill for the cleanup? The government has an Oil Spill Liability Trust Fund that companies which transport oil must pay into. But, as it turns out, the bitumen that Exxon was transporting in its pipeline isn't oil by government standards. Erin O'Sullivan writes for Oil Change International:

In a January 2011 memorandum, the IRS determined that to generate revenues for the oil spill trust fund, Congress only intended to tax conventional crude, and not tar sands or other unconventional oils. This exemption remains to this day, even though the United States moves billions of gallons of tar sands crude through its pipeline system every year. The trust fund is liable for tar sands oil spill cleanups without collecting any revenue from tar sands transport. If the fund goes broke, the American taxpayer foots the cleanup bill.


More ... http://www.alternet.org/environment/6-things-you-need-know-about-arkansas-oil-spill

More bashing of "evil oil". That's fine. Exon frick-up and they'll pay the price.

Or rather the consumer will/does.

What'll we do Cigar ??

When do we turn off the pumps ??

How many barrels pumped through these pipelines vs how many barrels spilled ??

At what point do we say enough is enough ??

10% ??

1% ??

.001% ??

[Cigar]

No one is bashing ... just calling it like it is and using our eyes.

When you're constantly fucking up, the intelligent notices.

One your eyes ... what do you see ... an Oil Spill or Not?

[Cigar]

A small percentage of Production Ford Pinto's Gas Tanks Exploded from 1972 - 1977

A $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million.

Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

[Mainecoons]

Either you conclude the system of regulation is working, or it isn't. Which one is it, genius? Sounds like your government isn't doing its job again.

[hanger4]

A small percentage of Production Ford Pinto's Gas Tanks Exploded from 1972 - 1977

A $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million.

Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

And this has what to do with the Exon pipeline spill ??

OH wait it's bashing "evil oil".

OH wait you said you weren't bashing.

Make up you mind Cigar,



"hyp·o·crite"


a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings.

[Cigar]

And this has what to do with the Exon pipeline spill ??

OH wait it's bashing "evil oil".

OH wait you said you weren't bashing.

Make up you mind Cigar,



"hyp·o·crite"


a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings.



Can't understand you, please take the Corporate Oil's meat out of your mouth, spit out the residue and speak clearly. :kiss:

[hanger4]

Can't understand you, please take the Corporate Oil's meat out of your mouth, spit out the residue and speak clearly.




Let's try this in Cigar speak,


WTF has this;







A small percentage of Production Ford Pinto's Gas Tanks Exploded from 1972 - 1977


A $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million.


Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.






Got to do with;




Exxon Mobil hit with $1.7M pipeline safety fine days before Arkansas oil spill

[Cigar]

Let's try this in Cigar speak,


WTF has this;













Got to do with;

Ask Mommy what analogies are ... then stop back after school.

Now don't forget your lunch and go run along now and catch your bus.

[hanger4]

Can't understand you, please take the Corporate Oil's meat out of your mouth, spit out the residue and speak clearly. :kiss:

BTW kid, I'm not defending Exon,

they friked-up and will pay.

Just trying to find out what spill to pumping % you and nic need to close the pipelines ??

and then what, walk, ride a bike, truck it ??

[Mainecoons]

Nic is a Cree Indian, he's going to ride a horse and chuck spears at Republicans.

[hanger4]

Ask Mommy what analogies are ... then stop back after school.

Now don't forget your lunch and go run along now and catch your bus.

OOOOOK

Ford Pinto with exploding gas tanks

to

Exon pipeline spills.


"Analogy"


.similarity between like features of two things, on which a comparison may be based.


Sorry kid I don't see it.

OH wait the pinto was made out of steal and the pipelines are made out of steal.

Dang, how clever. :smiley_ROFLMAO:

[Cigar]

BTW kid, I'm not defending Exon,

they friked-up and will pay.

Just trying to find out what spill to pumping % you and nic need to close the pipelines ??

and then what, walk, ride a bike, truck it ??


My business has medical contracts and we design firmware that controls oxygen distribution. There is "no" such thing as an acceptable percentage. If I don't deliver 100% / 100% of the time, I'm out of business, never to be called on again.

Hope this answer your question.

[Cigar]

OOOOOK

Ford Pinto with exploding gas tanks

to

Exon pipeline spills.


"Analogy"


.similarity between like features of two things, on which a comparison may be based.


Sorry kid I don't see it.

OH wait the pinto was made out of steal and the pipelines are made out of steal.

Dang, how clever. :smiley_ROFLMAO:

Maybe the quality of your work isn't critical enough, so you can laugh.

I have better pride than that in my work.

[nic34]

Nic is a Cree Indian, he's going to ride a horse and chuck spears at Republicans.

Now, now little kitty kat, we all know you use your personal attacks because you have no reasonable argument, but stop before you make yourself look even more foolish....

[hanger4]

My business has medical contracts and we design firmware that controls oxygen distribution. There is "no" such thing as an acceptable percentage. If I don't deliver 100% / 100% of the time, I'm out of business, never to be called on again.

Hope this answer your question.

Understand.

Then when do you shut the pipelines down ??

Then how do you transport the oil ??

[Mainecoons]

Now, now little kitty kat, we all know you use your personal attacks because you have no reasonable argument, but stop before you make yourself look even more foolish....

So Nic, are you telling us that you feel that being reminded of your Cree Indian stuff is an insult? Now, now, that's not being a good little PC liberal, is it? :rofl:

[Common]

Stop picking on big oil companies, they are in business for profit and making money and taking subsidies from taxpayers that overpay for their gas. They arent supposed to "spend" any money on frivolous crap like fixing their pipelines. Complaining about that is just as unamerican and saying the teaparty sucks

[Cigar]

Stop picking on big oil companies, they are in business for profit and making money and taking subsidies from taxpayers that overpay for their gas. They arent supposed to "spend" any money on frivolous crap like fixing their pipelines. Complaining about that is just as unamerican and saying the teaparty sucks


Strange ... have you ever seen a Private Company force a No-Fly Zone over a American soil?

Exxon's Unfriendly Skies: Why Does Exxon Control the No-Fly Zone Over Arkansas Tar Sands Spill?

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has had a "no fly zone" in place in Mayflower, Arkansas since April 1 at 2:12 PM and will be in place "until further notice," according to the FAA website and it's being overseen by ExxonMobil itself. In other words, any media or independent observers who want to witness the tar sands spill disaster have to ask Exxon's permission.

Mayflower is the site of the recent major March 29 ExxonMobil Pegagus tar sands pipeline spill, which belched out an estimated 5,000 barrels of tar sands diluted bitumen ("dilbit") into the small town's neighborhoods, causing the evacuation of 22 homes.

The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette revealed that the FAA site noted earlier today that "only relief aircraft operations under direction of Tom Suhrhoff" were allowed within the designated no fly zone.

Suhrhoff is not an FAA employee: he works for ExxonMobil as an "Aviation Advisor" and formerly worked as a U.S. Army pilot for 24 years, according to his LinkedIn page.

http://www.desmogblog.com/2013/04/03/exxon-s-skies-why-does-exxon-control-no-fly-zone-over-arkansas-tar-sands-spill

Things that make you go ... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

http://thatsenuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Things-That-Make-You-Go-Hmmm-Arsenio-Hall1.jpg

[hanger4]

Strange ... have you ever seen a Private Company force a No-Fly Zone over a American soil?

Exxon's Unfriendly Skies: Why Does Exxon Control the No-Fly Zone Over Arkansas Tar Sands Spill?

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has had a "no fly zone" in place in Mayflower, Arkansas since April 1 at 2:12 PM and will be in place "until further notice," according to the FAA website and it's being overseen by ExxonMobil itself. In other words, any media or independent observers who want to witness the tar sands spill disaster have to ask Exxon's permission.

Mayflower is the site of the recent major March 29 ExxonMobil Pegagus tar sands pipeline spill, which belched out an estimated 5,000 barrels of tar sands diluted bitumen ("dilbit") into the small town's neighborhoods, causing the evacuation of 22 homes.

The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette revealed that the FAA site noted earlier today that "only relief aircraft operations under direction of Tom Suhrhoff" were allowed within the designated no fly zone.

Suhrhoff is not an FAA employee: he works for ExxonMobil as an "Aviation Advisor" and formerly worked as a U.S. Army pilot for 24 years, according to his LinkedIn page.

http://www.desmogblog.com/2013/04/03/exxon-s-skies-why-does-exxon-control-no-fly-zone-over-arkansas-tar-sands-spill

Things that make you go ... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm



Why not tell THE WHOLE TRUTH ? The restriction was for flights under 1,000 ft. due to them using a helicopter for the clean up crews .

It is a common safety practice .

http://www.foxbusiness.com/news/2013/04/03/no-fly-zone-in-place-over-arkansas-pipeline-spill-site/

[Mainecoons]

Cigar tell the whole truth? Surely you jest.

:rofl:

[simpsonofpg]

I'll ask again nic,

How many barrels pumped through these pipelines vs how many barrels spilled ??

this is really a good point. we will always have accidents and we need to do everything possible to keep them to a minimum but this is a really good question. Back in 1973 when the oil countris manufactured an oil shortage the East coast banned oil drilling. It was ok for us to drill in the gulf and them send the oil up to them but they sure didn't want that nasty old oil in their ocean. Ask the people up there is going without oil is better than an oil spill. It was about 2 truck load and we spill that much with wrecks on the highways.