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cmeflyhigher
04-05-2013, 11:51 AM
I recently came across a great article, @thecoffeebar, that goes into detail about how the GOP is attempting a Rebrand and why it's not working.."During the last election cycle, The GOP, revealing its cynical view of the intelligence of the electorate, entered the fray confident that because of the still fragile economy, it could run virtually any candidate, on any platform, and prevail. The voters proved to be more discriminating that that".. More of the article can be found at http://www.inspiredbysocialmedia.me/?p=252

nic34
04-05-2013, 11:56 AM
Progressives/dems need to make inroads at the local level. Many states are still run by GOP.

TheDictator
04-05-2013, 12:56 PM
The same thing was said in 2008 and 2009, "The Republican Party is Dead" What happened in 2010? Oh yes The Republican Party took control of the House with about an 80 seat take over. Yes please keep talking about how unbeatable you are. We may just take the Senate in 2014.

killianr1
04-05-2013, 01:20 PM
For 30 years I was a Democrat. I am gay and socially liberal. I support abortion within reason. I never left the Democratic party, it left me. I have strong Libertarian leanings. The freedom of the individual to be successful is dear to me. On Monday of this week I officially joined the Republican National Committee. It is my plan to change the things I can within the party to be more socially liberal. However until the Democratic party can take some responsibility to restructure our revenue and budget mess, and begin to institute policies that benefit manufacturing and small business , I remain a Republican.

TheDictator
04-05-2013, 01:41 PM
For 30 years I was a Democrat. I am gay and socially liberal. I support abortion within reason. I never left the Democratic party, it left me. I have strong Libertarian leanings. The freedom of the individual to be successful is dear to me. On Monday of this week I officially joined the Republican National Committee. It is my plan to change the things I can within the party to be more socially liberal. However until the Democratic party can take some responsibility to restructure our revenue and budget mess, and begin to institute policies that benefit manufacturing and small business , I remain a Republican.


I can't say I agree with you on the social issues, but Welcome to the Republican Party. I have been a Delegete for the past 25 years. And hold an Elected County Office

simpsonofpg
04-05-2013, 01:55 PM
We do need rebranding. I think a complete redo at the top is a good place to start. Conservatives are viewed as the rich and powerful and don't care about the midddle class and the poor. That is just not true, I first voted for Goldwater am retired on a budget and believe that most of conservatives just want an America where you are rewarded for your effort and not paid for sitting on the front porch. Most of us just did not relate to Romney. He was too rich and too slick.

Cigar
04-05-2013, 02:11 PM
Here's 2 undeniable and unavoidable FACTS that individuals in the Republicans Party need to get firm a grip on;

1) it doesn't matter what color you are, what sexual orientation you are, what god you worship or what party you vote for ... once you publicly insult and berate an individual, don't expect them to respect you. Especially if you've never once met them personally.

2) your demographics are changing.

But hey ... don't take my word for it. :grin:

nic34
04-05-2013, 02:54 PM
For 30 years I was a Democrat. I am gay and socially liberal. I support abortion within reason. I never left the Democratic party, it left me. I have strong Libertarian leanings. The freedom of the individual to be successful is dear to me. On Monday of this week I officially joined the Republican National Committee. It is my plan to change the things I can within the party to be more socially liberal. However until the Democratic party can take some responsibility to restructure our revenue and budget mess, and begin to institute policies that benefit manufacturing and small business , I remain a Republican.

Good luck, but you'll be back even if as an independent.

Peter1469
04-05-2013, 06:58 PM
Progressives/dems need to make inroads at the local level. Many states are still run by GOP.

But most people don't want government to bankrupt them. :shocked:

Peter1469
04-05-2013, 07:00 PM
Here's 2 undeniable and unavoidable FACTS that individuals in the Republicans Party need to get firm a grip on;

1) it doesn't matter what color you are, what sexual orientation you are, what god you worship or what party you vote for ... once you publicly insult and berate an individual, don't expect them to respect you. Especially if you've never once met them personally.

2) your demographics are changing.

But hey ... don't take my word for it. :grin:

Right, if people are turning towards the public treasury to take care of them, then the Republic is doomed. What is your plan B?

Captain Obvious
04-05-2013, 07:04 PM
Right, if people are turning towards the public treasury to take care of them, then the Republic is doomed. What is your plan B?

To go live off of the Canadian teet.

Mainecoons
04-05-2013, 10:12 PM
I recently came across a great article, @thecoffeebar, that goes into detail about how the GOP is attempting a Rebrand and why it's not working.."During the last election cycle, The GOP, revealing its cynical view of the intelligence of the electorate, entered the fray confident that because of the still fragile economy, it could run virtually any candidate, on any platform, and prevail. The voters proved to be more discriminating that that".. More of the article can be found at http://www.inspiredbysocialmedia.me/?p=252

Actually, I think the last election quite verified our cynical view of the intelligence of the electorate.

:rofl:

Peter1469
04-05-2013, 11:52 PM
Actually, I think the last election quite verified our cynical view of the intelligence of the electorate.

:rofl:

We have had some law interns in our office for the last few years. Their concept of the law is pretty expansive. It is what should be rather than what it is. The American experiment is dead. Buy land in the country, stockpile and hunker down. Screw the takers.

Common
04-06-2013, 12:27 AM
The republican party is not dead, both parties have their ups and downs and when the extremists left or right take hold thats when either party drops like a rock. America as a whole does not like the far right or the far left.
The republican party is under assault from within you have traditional moderate GOPs The McCain Lyndsey Graham Rinos. You have the new teaparty far right then you have the Rand Paul clique. They need to get it together.
The hispanic vote is a real detriment to them as well as the female vote, they have some real issues to address before the next election.

truthmatters
04-06-2013, 08:07 AM
The same thing was said in 2008 and 2009, "The Republican Party is Dead" What happened in 2010? Oh yes The Republican Party took control of the House with about an 80 seat take over. Yes please keep talking about how unbeatable you are. We may just take the Senate in 2014.


well you guys diud pull a rabbit out of the hat with the tea party stunt.

Now the American people dont much like the tea party anymore because it governs really stupidly.

It got you some seats and now its owns your party making impossible for you to win any national elections.


The American people got to know the tea party and desided they didnt like it

Common
04-06-2013, 08:21 AM
well you guys diud pull a rabbit out of the hat with the tea party stunt.

Now the American people dont much like the tea party anymore because it governs really stupidly.

It got you some seats and now its owns your party making impossible for you to win any national elections.


The American people got to know the tea party and desided they didnt like it



The teaparty is not my cup of tea, but the left has their extremist groups that turn the country off just as fast as the far right.
If the republican party doesnt stop attacking everything and anything for the working class and poor for the rich, they will just keep on losing. Its not the rich thats doing bad out there they are doing better than they ever have and some believe at the expense of every one else.

Peter1469
04-06-2013, 09:36 AM
well you guys diud pull a rabbit out of the hat with the tea party stunt.

Now the American people dont much like the tea party anymore because it governs really stupidly.

It got you some seats and now its owns your party making impossible for you to win any national elections.


The American people got to know the tea party and desided they didnt like it

What you mean to say that that many American's are scared of the Tea Party(ies) because the Tea Party(ies) are not going to give them "free" stuff. That is OK. Keep what you have and crash the USD and your economy. Then you will have the Tea Party(ies) whether you want it or not. :shocked:

Mainecoons
04-06-2013, 12:07 PM
No, if history is any guide, they'll have a brutal dictatorship and everyone will be oppressed and dirt poor. Other than the terminally clueless, who hasn't noticed the gathering of Big Brother in the U.S.

The TPs are well meaning but far outnumbered by the takers and general liberal idiots in America. The country has entered that last stage of dependency and apathy. Not to mention sheer stupidity as so well represented by several on this board.

Give them what they think they want and get the hell out.

nic34
04-08-2013, 03:00 PM
In 2010—the first official year of "recovery" following the recession that ended the Bush administration—the richest 1 percent of Americans reaped 93 percent of income gains. That's redistribution, all right, but not in the way most people think of it.

There are many reasons for the disparity, some legal, some cultural. Tax policies were rewritten to favor the wealthy. CEOs stopped being community-minded—and stopped being embarrassed when their pay grew much faster than worker wages. An ethic of "wealth creation" was replaced by one of "wealth extraction."

Enjoy your homestead, the ceo has your money not the worker...

Peter1469
04-08-2013, 04:33 PM
In 2010—the first official year of "recovery" following the recession that ended the Bush administration—the richest 1 percent of Americans reaped 93 percent of income gains. That's redistribution, all right, but not in the way most people think of it.

There are many reasons for the disparity, some legal, some cultural. Tax policies were rewritten to favor the wealthy. CEOs stopped being community-minded—and stopped being embarrassed when their pay grew much faster than worker wages. An ethic of "wealth creation" was replaced by one of "wealth extraction."

Enjoy your homestead, the ceo has your money not the worker...

1. Any link to your claims?

2. Do you have any idea what fractional reserve banking means?

nic34
04-08-2013, 05:03 PM
What you mean to say that that many American's are scared of the Tea Party(ies) because the Tea Party(ies) are not going to give them "free" stuff. That is OK. Keep what you have and crash the USD and your economy. Then you will have the Tea Party(ies) whether you want it or not. :shocked:

Any links?

only fair to ask.....

Peter1469
04-08-2013, 05:08 PM
Any links?

only fair to ask.....

You don't need a link. The Tea Party(ies) aren't promising you stuff. If you want stuff vote for someone else.

zelmo1234
04-08-2013, 06:28 PM
In 2010—the first official year of "recovery" following the recession that ended the Bush administration—the richest 1 percent of Americans reaped 93 percent of income gains. That's redistribution, all right, but not in the way most people think of it.

There are many reasons for the disparity, some legal, some cultural. Tax policies were rewritten to favor the wealthy. CEOs stopped being community-minded—and stopped being embarrassed when their pay grew much faster than worker wages. An ethic of "wealth creation" was replaced by one of "wealth extraction."

Enjoy your homestead, the ceo has your money not the worker...

KEEP BEATING THAT CLASS WAREFARE DRUM!

Here is a little artical that shows that salary is about 20% of the CEO's pay and conpensation package!

The rest comes in the form of stock options!

http://www.salary.com/executive-compensation-it-starts-with-the-ceo/

So if the CEO does a great job with profits, then the stock price soars and the ceo makes a ton of money. but what about the workers????

you knwo the workers ahve every right to purchase the company stock! and many companies have programs that allow them to do so without fees and additional costs! but they don't they buy Cadilacs instead!

so when you cant to claim that CEO's are stealing you money, rember this, the union pension funds are invested in these stocks, and because they are doing a good job these funds are stable! So they are making the workers a lot of money too!

But you can countinue to do just what it takes to get by, and keep right on hating the rich! It will keep you poor for the rest of your life. But then they say liberalism is a mental disorder!

GrumpyDog
04-08-2013, 08:50 PM
But, Zelmo, Michael Moore the millionaire who made millions off his movies exposing corrupt CEO millionaires is letting us working class people know that rich people (except for Michael Moore) are the problem.

GrumpyDog
04-08-2013, 08:54 PM
And likewise, our Democrat President (and it was sweet win was it not), has demonstrated to us proletariats, that despite himself being a millionaire, and requiring 20 million dollar vacations, while closing down the White House to school children touring,.. that HE is one of US!! He understands the proletariats need help. So he has created millions of new jobs for us, sometime in the near future. Soon. Just need to borrow more money from China, and keep those bitching Republicans complaining about a paltry 16 Trillion National Debt at bay. Then everything will be fine. Soon. As soon as possible. One day. Not long from now. Any day now, as soon as other more pressing business is taken care of.

zelmo1234
04-08-2013, 08:59 PM
But, Zelmo, Michael Moore the millionaire who made millions off his movies exposing corrupt CEO millionaires is letting us working class people know that rich people (except for Michael Moore) are the problem.

Hey Grumpy, how have you been!

Yes and he uses no union labor and cuts cost where ever he can! He also cuts any and all costs as much as he can! He would scream bloddy murder if he caught a corporation doing it. but he is special because he is liberal and he cares so he deserves the money!

GrumpyDog
04-08-2013, 09:08 PM
Hey Grumpy, how have you been!

Yes and he uses no union labor and cuts cost where ever he can! He also cuts any and all costs as much as he can! He would scream bloddy murder if he caught a corporation doing it. but he is special because he is liberal and he cares so he deserves the money!

Hey Zelmo, hope you are doing well also. And if you are doing extremely well, good for you, and I have no desire to try to force you into redistributing your extra wealth to other people. However, if you would choose to just give it away freely, I would not object to that either, unless it was going to fund some extremist violent group of people.

bladimz
04-08-2013, 09:22 PM
We do need rebranding. I think a complete redo at the top is a good place to start. Conservatives are viewed as the rich and powerful and don't care about the midddle class and the poor. That is just not true, I first voted for Goldwater am retired on a budget and believe that most of conservatives just want an America where you are rewarded for your effort and not paid for sitting on the front porch. Most of us just did not relate to Romney. He was too rich and too slick.You kind of slipped there when you said that Romney was "too rich". What is "too rich""?

zelmo1234
04-08-2013, 09:33 PM
Hey Zelmo, hope you are doing well also. And if you are doing extremely well, good for you, and I have no desire to try to force you into redistributing your extra wealth to other people. However, if you would choose to just give it away freely, I would not object to that either, unless it was going to fund some extremist violent group of people.

Well after this weekend? I am seriously considering giving up the fight! Went on a trip with some other business owners and not sure if I want to go through the hasel anymore! So it is possible that instread of downsizing I will be retireing!

But that is a decission a lot of people are going to have to decide!

bladimz
04-08-2013, 09:41 PM
Hey Zelmo, hope you are doing well also. And if you are doing extremely well, good for you, and I have no desire to try to force you into redistributing your extra wealth to other people. However, if you would choose to just give it away freely, I would not object to that either, unless it was going to fund some extremist violent group of people.No, no. Zelmo is planning to turn his children and his grandchildren into "takers". They will grow up slothful and lazy, knowing that they will not need to work to pay for their wants and needs. He has good intentions for sure, but is he unknowingly denying his family members the trigger that motivates them to create their own wealth? I hope not.

bladimz
04-08-2013, 09:56 PM
The Tea Party, as should be obvious by now, is a movement that some say has been funded from the beginning by the Koch Brothers. That "rumor" has been around long enough to be taken as truth, especially since the Bros. have never denied it.

If the TP was truly serious about initiating real change in our government, they would not attempt it by installing their own candidates into a known corrupt institution. Why would they? They apparently believe that their candidates are people who will make change from within; a base error. If you pour a can of clean water into a large bucket of muddy, polluted water... what happens to the clean water?

Take the same bucket of polluted water and hit it on the side with a hose. Hit it with enough pressure to knock it over and watch the filthy water drain out.

Change has to come from without the system. Very simply, that's the flaw of the Tea Party. Until they change their methodology (and they won't) they will never succeed in doing what they say they are committed to doing.

zelmo1234
04-09-2013, 06:43 AM
The above post is what those on the left are turely looking for?

To bring about their desier of a socialistic or communist govenrment they must have total system collapse and then have enough of the poor convinced that they rich did it to them that they will not rise up when the governemnt kills and takes the assets of the wealthy!

It is the only chance they have of the change that they require! This is why the OWS movment is filled with violence and property distruction!

The TEA party, which can be funded with returned Pop cans because they require very little funding! Can in fact keep getting more and more people elected. Right now it has effected Obama ability to get his legislation through the Senate.

Yes there is a lot of mud in the bucket but with each glass of clean water more mud is pushed out of the bucket and when you add eonugh clean water to the bucket and let is sit, the mud settles to the bottom where it has little effect on the water!

Peter1469
04-09-2013, 12:33 PM
Why are the Koch brothers so scary to the left? Because they spend their money on less government, rather than more?

truthmatters
04-11-2013, 07:46 AM
What you mean to say that that many American's are scared of the Tea Party(ies) because the Tea Party(ies) are not going to give them "free" stuff. That is OK. Keep what you have and crash the USD and your economy. Then you will have the Tea Party(ies) whether you want it or not. :shocked:

yes we know you are wanta be bullies.

Its part of what the American people hate about your faction

truthmatters
04-11-2013, 07:47 AM
Why are the Koch brothers so scary to the left? Because they spend their money on less government, rather than more?

they spend their money to get their wants and desires and dont care about Democracy

Peter1469
04-11-2013, 08:33 AM
yes we know you are wanta be bullies.

Its part of what the American people hate about your faction


Which part? Liberty? Freedom? Non-dependence on the government?

Peter1469
04-11-2013, 08:34 AM
they spend their money to get their wants and desires and dont care about Democracy

Really? It seems like they want the government to stick to its limited role under the Constitution. That is a good thing. Unless you are a ward of the State.

truthmatters
04-11-2013, 09:37 AM
your partisan lies only work on your fellow brainwashed cons

truthmatters
04-11-2013, 09:37 AM
Which part? Liberty? Freedom? Non-dependence on the government?



how about the FREEDOM to have your government do what you vote for

Peter1469
04-11-2013, 09:45 AM
how about the FREEDOM to have your government do what you vote for

You don't understand federalism, do you?