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Santa's Little Helper
04-08-2013, 07:48 AM
I am amazed by the number of so called christians who are also bigots and condemn everything to hell

Yes the bible has numerous passages condemning homosexual relations and considers it an abomination but the bible further states that homosexualism is an "affliction" and that the afflicted may pray and ask god to free them of the bondage of affliction and ask forgiveness and that through the blood of christ all who beleive in him shall receive salvation

Modern psychiatric research has made the case that homosexulaty is a mental defect and science might have proved that some are genetically predisposed to homosexualism

In closing only god may judge but as a christian it is your job to bring people to christ and those afflicted with homosexual disease are no different

Hatred and bigotry only serves to intimidate and drive away the afflicted wheras instead we should show compassion and welcome the afflicted in hopes that god may work through us to free them of the bondage of that affliction and bring them to christ

zelmo1234
04-08-2013, 07:52 AM
I can agree with the most of the staement above. We shoudl hate the sin and love the sinner.

this however does not mean that we have to condone it and allow for gay marrage in our churches! It means that they should be welcome to attend and hear that their chosen lifestyle is not approved by god and what god has told up about it!

This is not to be done with hate or mnalace but with love and understanding!

Greenridgeman
04-08-2013, 08:15 AM
I am amazed by the number of so called christians who are also bigots and condemn everything to hell

Yes the bible has numerous passages condemning homosexual relations and considers it an abomination but the bible further states that homosexualism is an "affliction" and that the afflicted may pray and ask god to free them of the bondage of affliction and ask forgiveness and that through the blood of christ all who beleive in him shall receive salvation

Modern psychiatric research has made the case that homosexulaty is a mental defect and science might have proved that some are genetically predisposed to homosexualism

In closing only god may judge but as a christian it is your job to bring people to christ and those afflicted with homosexual disease are no different

Hatred and bigotry only serves to intimidate and drive away the afflicted wheras instead we should show compassion and welcome the afflicted in hopes that god may work through us to free them of the bondage of that affliction and bring them to christ



It did not bother God enough to warrant a commandment, so, it is not my place to judge.

Disease, perversion, genetic fluke, who cares?

It exists and nothing I could say could stop it or discourage it.

I say let them "marry", and then, please, just STFU about it already.

Greenridgeman
04-08-2013, 08:21 AM
I can agree with the most of the staement above. We shoudl hate the sin and love the sinner.

this however does not mean that we have to condone it and allow for gay marrage in our churches! It means that they should be welcome to attend and hear that their chosen lifestyle is not approved by god and what god has told up about it!

This is not to be done with hate or mnalace but with love and understanding!



What the church allows, and what the state allows, are two different things.

Times have changed.

We need government to administer civil unions which deal with civil matters, unions could be from a year, to as long as it takes to raise kids, or, for life, depending upon those in the union.

Marriage could be defined by Churches.

If gays want to be married in a Southern Baptist Church, they are going to have problems, but, could go to the Unitarians.

Nobody should force a church to perform or accept a marriage of any kind, outside of its teachings.

So we need two intitutions, civil contracts for partnerships, regardless of race, creed, color, sex, number of partners or any other consideration.

There, the legalities of unions would be written and recorded as contracts.

We need marriage for those who want a spiritual blessing from whoever they seek that blessing from.

And there is no reason a couple, or a cluster for that matter, could not do both, if a church will have them.

TheDictator
04-15-2013, 12:40 PM
I am amazed by the number of so called christians who are also bigots and condemn everything to hell

Yes the bible has numerous passages condemning homosexual relations and considers it an abomination but the bible further states that homosexualism is an "affliction" and that the afflicted may pray and ask god to free them of the bondage of affliction and ask forgiveness and that through the blood of christ all who beleive in him shall receive salvation

Modern psychiatric research has made the case that homosexulaty is a mental defect and science might have proved that some are genetically predisposed to homosexualism

In closing only god may judge but as a christian it is your job to bring people to christ and those afflicted with homosexual disease are no different

Hatred and bigotry only serves to intimidate and drive away the afflicted wheras instead we should show compassion and welcome the afflicted in hopes that god may work through us to free them of the bondage of that affliction and bring them to christ

I love it when non-christians tell Christians how to be Christian. That is like a white man telling a black man how to act like a black man. The white men at MSMBC do it all the time. It is all ways funny.

Santa's Little Helper
04-16-2013, 07:22 AM
I love it when non-christians tell Christians how to be Christian. That is like a white man telling a black man how to act like a black man. The white men at MSMBC do it all the time. It is all ways funny.

I also love it when so called Christian's manipulate the scripture and twist words around to achieve Biblical support of their own hatred and bigotry while blindly forgetting Jesus teachings or the fact that only GOD can pass judgement

Thou shalt not judge lest he be judged himself

Greenridgeman
04-16-2013, 07:40 AM
I love it when non-christians tell Christians how to be Christian. That is like a white man telling a black man how to act like a black man. The white men at MSMBC do it all the time. It is all ways funny.



I like the way the women on PMSNBC tell the men how to act like women; it is always funny, and the men try so hard.

spunkloaf
04-16-2013, 08:22 AM
I love it when non-christians tell Christians how to be Christian. That is like a white man telling a black man how to act like a black man. The white men at MSMBC do it all the time. It is all ways funny.

You're not Christian if you practice what you're preaching in here. I don't know what to call it, but it certainly isn't God's word you're pushing, and it's not Christ's example you're following. As a recovering Catholic, I understand exactly what it means to be a Christian. So my words do hold weight upon you.

nic34
04-16-2013, 09:46 AM
I like the way the women on PMSNBC tell the men how to act like women; it is always funny, and the men try so hard.

Oh, like maybe Joe should just shut up once in a while and let Mika finish talking ....?

Mister D
04-16-2013, 09:50 AM
You're not Christian if you practice what you're preaching in here. I don't know what to call it, but it certainly isn't God's word you're pushing, and it's not Christ's example you're following. As a recovering Catholic, I understand exactly what it means to be a Christian. So my words do hold weight upon you.

I often hear that term. What exactly are you recovering from?

Greenridgeman
04-16-2013, 10:01 AM
I often hear that term. What exactly are you recovering from?


Who knows what he means?

I have heard former Catholics use it to mean being free from ritualism and popeism.

BillyBob
04-16-2013, 11:20 AM
I also love it when so called Christian's manipulate the scripture and twist words around to achieve Biblical support of their own hatred and bigotry

Do you have an example of such a thing because I have not seen anyone do that. However, I have seen plenty of non-Christians deny that the scriptures say what they clearly do.



while blindly forgetting Jesus teachings or the fact that only GOD can pass judgement

Thou shalt not judge lest he be judged himself

When a Christian mentions that faggotry is a sin and an abomination, he isn't judging, he is simply informing. Personally, I couldn't care less if you stick your dick in some guy's ass, it's no sweat off of my balls. But, it is a sin and an abomination according to the Bible. That much cannot be denied.

jillian
04-16-2013, 11:38 AM
Do you have an example of such a thing because I have not seen anyone do that. However, I have seen plenty of non-Christians deny that the scriptures say what they clearly do.




When a Christian mentions that faggotry is a sin and an abomination, he isn't judging, he is simply informing. Personally, I couldn't care less if you stick your dick in some guy's ass, it's no sweat off of my balls. But, it is a sin and an abomination according to the Bible. That much cannot be denied.

when a christian does the above, he or she is not "informing" he or she is forgetting absolutely everything jesus said.

p.s. jesus never ever ever ever said a word about gays.

he said a LOT about taking care of the poor.

BillyBob
04-16-2013, 02:42 PM
when a christian does the above, he or she is not "informing" he or she is forgetting absolutely everything jesus said.

How so?


p.s. jesus never ever ever ever said a word about gays.

he said a LOT about taking care of the poor.

Paul said this about homosexuality in Romans:

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.


26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.


So when Jerry Seinfeld says, 'Not that there's anything wrong with that!', he is mistaken and leading gays to a further life of sin. Of course, he's a Jew, so......

BillyBob
04-16-2013, 02:47 PM
p.s. jesus never ever ever ever said a word about gays.

he said a LOT about taking care of the poor.

He said a LOT about sin and often specified it:


Mark 7:20 What comes out of you is what defiles you. For from within, out of your hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and defile you.

Micketto
04-16-2013, 03:16 PM
I also love it when so called Christian's manipulate the scripture and twist words around to achieve Biblical support of their own hatred and bigotry while blindly forgetting Jesus teachings or the fact that only GOD can pass judgement

Thou shalt not judge lest he be judged himself
Well all judge... and we judge all the time.
We judge who our potential friends might be, who we date/marry, who we work for/works for us, who we trust with our money, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc....
If you think God wants us to stop doing so.... you're crazy.

jillian
04-16-2013, 03:23 PM
He said a LOT about sin and often specified it:


Mark 7:20 What comes out of you is what defiles you. For from within, out of your hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and defile you.

wasn't that written about 35 years after jesus' death?

it's also thought, historically, to be written by various people and based on peter's teachings, not jesus.

at least that's my recollection.

but even if he did say or imply those things. did jesus say to judge your fellow man or did he say to leave that to heaven?

p.s. what is "sexual immorality"? i say it's rape. you think it's homosexuality.

i think it's not up to you to decide.

BillyBob
04-16-2013, 03:32 PM
wasn't that written about 35 years after jesus' death?

it's also thought, historically, to be written by various people and based on peter's teachings, not jesus.

Ah, so now you are going to pick and choose which words of Jesus you want to use to make your point and which ones you want to reject because they prove your point invalid. Got it. lol





but even if he did say or imply those things. did jesus say to judge your fellow man or did he say to leave that to heaven?

He said that sexual immorality is a sin.



p.s. what is "sexual immorality"? i say it's rape. you think it's homosexuality.

i think it's not up to you to decide.

The Bible makes it clear that homosexual sex is a sin. If you wanna fantasize about rape, do it somewhere else.

jillian
04-16-2013, 03:33 PM
Ah, so now you are going to pick and choose which words of Jesus you want to use to make your point and which ones you want to reject because their prove your point invalid. Got it. lol





He said that sexual immorality is a sin.




The Bible makes it clear that homosexual sex is a sin. If you wanna fantasize about rape, do it somewhere else.

my point is that i don't even think those are jesus' words 35 years after his death.

i'm not picking and choosing at all. but i do think an awful lot of religious zealots do... which is why, again, i ask... who was supposed to judge others', you? me? or heaven?

i vote heaven... there is nothing that contradicts that in anything jesus was supposed to have said.

BillyBob
04-16-2013, 03:45 PM
my point is that i don't even think those are jesus' words 35 years after his death.

Why not? It's not unusual for people to chronicle what other's say, especially extraordinary people like Jesus. The Jews were particularly good at that sorta thing



i'm not picking and choosing at all. but i do think an awful lot of religious zealots do... which is why, again, i ask... who was supposed to judge others', you? me? or heaven?

Who's judging? We are merely pointing out that, according to the Bible, homosexuality is a sin. There are plenty of other sins, but this thread is dedicated to that particular one.




i vote heaven... there is nothing that contradicts that in anything jesus was supposed to have said.

How would you know what he said? You just invalidated the Gospels.

spunkloaf
04-16-2013, 03:48 PM
I often hear that term. What exactly are you recovering from?

Catholicism

Mister D
04-16-2013, 03:51 PM
Catholicism

Somehow I figured you wouldn't be any more specific than that.

BillyBob
04-16-2013, 03:53 PM
Catholicism

My deepest sympathies. That's gotta be a tough one to get over.

Micketto
04-17-2013, 07:34 AM
my point is that i don't even think those are jesus' words 35 years after his death.

This all comes down to your beliefs of the Bible as a whole. Since it's supposed to be the Word of God, given to human man to record here on Earth... and since there is a lot of condemnation of homosexuality and other sexual impurity in the Bible... and since Jesus is supposed to be God in human form... then that would mean "Jesus" said a lot about the sin of homosexuality.

If you think the Bible is just the words of men, then I understand your argument.... but to those that believe the Bible see that the laws were already established before Jesus was born and there are many, many of those laws (sins) that Jesus never addressed. He didn't have to.


i'm not picking and choosing at all. but i do think an awful lot of religious zealots do... which is why, again, i ask... who was supposed to judge others', you? me? or heaven?

The word "judge" was meant in the sense of "condemnation".
No we are not to condemn people but we are always supposed to judge them. As I stated earlier in the thread, we are to judge who we befriend, who we trust, etc. I know you don't blindly choose people to trust, to date, to marry. People who pretend we are not supposed to judge others, are just throwing around a very old, tired "noble" stance to stop picking on people and trying to assign a Biblical authority to it.

They are not the same thing by any means.

TheDictator
04-17-2013, 09:40 AM
I also love it when so called Christian's manipulate the scripture and twist words around to achieve Biblical support of their own hatred and bigotry while blindly forgetting Jesus teachings or the fact that only GOD can pass judgement

Thou shalt not judge lest he be judged himself

Well, guess we should let out all those murderers, drug pushers, rapists, and anyother person in prision, may we should do a way with juries " you can't judge" and judges and lawyers as well.

TheDictator
04-17-2013, 09:53 AM
You're not Christian if you practice what you're preaching in here. I don't know what to call it, but it certainly isn't God's word you're pushing, and it's not Christ's example you're following. As a recovering Catholic, I understand exactly what it means to be a Christian. So my words do hold weight upon you.

Well the Word of GOD say that Homosexuality is a perversion.

roadmaster
04-18-2013, 12:10 AM
You're not Christian if you practice what you're preaching in here. I don't know what to call it, but it certainly isn't God's word you're pushing, and it's not Christ's example you're following. As a recovering Catholic, I understand exactly what it means to be a Christian. So my words do hold weight upon you. Now who is the one judging? Maybe it's you that is not following Christ's example. I wonder if you know what the word means by judging in the Bible.

BillyBob
04-18-2013, 08:21 AM
Paul rebuked Peter and the Galatians and probably a whole bunch folks. He also mentioned how church members should rebuke others. So claiming that a Christian cannot point out the sin of another is not based on scripture.

Mister D
04-18-2013, 08:23 AM
Paul rebuked Peter and the Galatians and probably a whole bunch folks. He also mentioned how church members should rebuke others. So claiming that a Christian cannot point out the sin of another is not based on scripture.

That's true. The kind of judgment condemned in the bible isn't referring to behavior.

BillyBob
04-18-2013, 08:36 AM
That's true. The kind of judgment condemned in the bible isn't referring to behavior.


Yet that's precisely what the uninformed believe.

TheDictator
04-18-2013, 09:44 AM
The kind of judgement that is condemned in the Bible is self-righteous judgment based on one's own opinion and not based on the Word of God ( The Bible ).

Common
04-19-2013, 09:45 AM
This all comes down to your beliefs of the Bible as a whole. Since it's supposed to be the Word of God, given to human man to record here on Earth... and since there is a lot of condemnation of homosexuality and other sexual impurity in the Bible... and since Jesus is supposed to be God in human form... then that would mean "Jesus" said a lot about the sin of homosexuality.

If you think the Bible is just the words of men, then I understand your argument.... but to those that believe the Bible see that the laws were already established before Jesus was born and there are many, many of those laws (sins) that Jesus never addressed. He didn't have to.



The word "judge" was meant in the sense of "condemnation".
No we are not to condemn people but we are always supposed to judge them. As I stated earlier in the thread, we are to judge who we befriend, who we trust, etc. I know you don't blindly choose people to trust, to date, to marry. People who pretend we are not supposed to judge others, are just throwing around a very old, tired "noble" stance to stop picking on people and trying to assign a Biblical authority to it.

They are not the same thing by any means.

You are absolutely right every person on the planet makes judgements about others daily and you had better. You judge the stranger that approachs you on the street or knocks on your door. You judge the doctor you go to for the first time. There is no reason not to be judging any one or any group or any person.
I have a right to judge how I want to view homosexuality, the teaparty, the democrat or republican parties or Atheist Groups or the catholic church. Hammering people as "JUDGEING" others as being ignorant or overbearing is just a talking point to get an edge in a debate, they are judgeing others too, actually they are judgeing me by telling me I judge others.

TheDictator
04-19-2013, 09:52 AM
You are absolutely right every person on the planet makes judgements about others daily and you had better. You judge the stranger that approachs you on the street or knocks on your door. You judge the doctor you go to for the first time. There is no reason not to be judging any one or any group or any person.
I have a right to judge how I want to view homosexuality, the teaparty, the democrat or republican parties or Atheist Groups or the catholic church. Hammering people as "JUDGEING" others as being ignorant or overbearing is just a talking point to get an edge in a debate, they are judgeing others too, actually they are judgeing me by telling me I judge others.

Very good post.

auelle
07-06-2013, 08:44 PM
I can agree with the most of the staement above. We shoudl hate the sin and love the sinner.

this however does not mean that we have to condone it and allow for gay marrage in our churches! It means that they should be welcome to attend and hear that their chosen lifestyle is not approved by god and what god has told up about it!

This is not to be done with hate or mnalace but with love and understanding!

I am sorry but you said something that just sticks in my craw. What life style? I am gay, but I was also a mechanic, lived in an apartment and walked a dog. My lifestyle was exactly like anybody elses. The configuration of my partners crotch doesn't equate to my lifestyle.

I lived next door to a straight woman that had nearly the same exact lifestyle as I do. Minus repairing farm equipment.

Sorry, but sex is such a small part of lifestyle to reduce me to a single sexual act is deeply insulting.

I know that isn't your intent, so this was simply to address the misnomer that homosexuals have a different lifestyle.

Kabuki Joe
07-06-2013, 11:46 PM
when a christian does the above, he or she is not "informing" he or she is forgetting absolutely everything jesus said.

p.s. jesus never ever ever ever said a word about gays.

he said a LOT about taking care of the poor.


...yeah, but his boss did...